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God is a belief-specific concept. Heaven and hell are belief-specific concepts. Spirit is eternal truth. The soul is eternal truth. Human descriptions commonly associated with the concept "God" can be likened to describing the ocean as a puddle of liquid. Why? Because the human being stands on the seashore and looks out. That's what beliefs are: standing on the outside and apart from while looking at. No real tactile relationship to the thing. And from that perspective s/he sees a body of water or something that looks like it might be water (that's the assumption given that's what s/he has been taught about oceans). And it appears smallish... same as a large puddle would appear up-close. But now get in a boat and start motoring or sailing for days and weeks until you've maybe reached mid-ocean. Now it's no longer a puddle. Rather, it has become the thing that is everything. It has become that which is all-encompassing, and absolute; the one singular reality. Ocean and ocean and ocean. It exists this way, and that way, and in every direction you turn. That is Spirit. Much different from human beings' descriptions of God. It is said God is unknowable. Most interpret that as, "Yes, I understand God is indeed that immense. But I can still know God." No, what that's really saying is whenever the human being imagines God, they are only ever conjuring up in their minds a puddle-sized perspective-distortion of the thing. What it actually means is this: Everything Exists. In bolded text because it's that important an understanding. There is nothing in this Existing Thing that can be separated out from it. Human understanding that imagines something as being separate from this Everything -- a God that created all this, as one example -- is puddle-perspective and puddle-understanding. The reason many are stuck in this puddle-perspective is because they cannot grasp the idea of something Existing, in and of itself. Just. Existing. Having no beginning. And no end. Nothing that created it, because it always was. Nothing that can or will ever destroy it, because it cannot not be. The unknowable is Everything That Is, and that awaits creative expression via the conscious impulse. And here's a mighty question: Why would that which is Everything, require creative expression? What's to create if it's already Everything? The answer has to do with relative truth versus absolute truth. But if one doesn't believe in relative truth and absolute truth and/or eternal truths of any kind, then that's a question that will probably go unanswered for them. |
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That's not to say there is nothing of value in the question of DNA. But for me it's never a physical-material oriented question that I seek to answer. I ask my questions from a soul-spiritual perspective, in order to recognize and understand how the eternal soul-spiritual finds its expression the temporal physical-material. In other words, it's not about DNA; it's about what DNA is reflecting as pertinent truth regarding eternal spirit and the soul's evolution. Every expression of physical-material reality can be seen and understood as eternal spirit manifesting in this or that particular form, specifically and exclusively for the purpose and benefit of our collective human soul-evolution journey. |
There is one stream of Aquarian Age investigation that has to do with a complete rejection of anything that remotely reeks of -- not just religious -- but spiritual as well. It's intellectual-based thinking, taken to one particular conceptualization-extreme... like a pendulum that has swung all the way over, away from the other extreme of emotion-based religious belief. It's science essentially; the yang to religion's yin. Breaking down the physical-material into sub-atomic patterns, in the exact same way the other belief-extreme looks heavenward to create its hierarchical blueprint. And many bow to science as the new guru just like people kiss the ring on the church father's hand.
I'm a middle path person. I look beyond the illusion that is both emotion-based belief and intellect-based knowledge. Both serve a purpose, and they're not bad or inappropriate certainly. But following one or the other exclusively is illusion, and is not the path to wisdom. As with all things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. And in the middle is the reality of Spirit. Spirit is the source of every truth the human being investigates. Everything emanates from that Spirit center; are merely manifestations and reflections of eternal Spirit truth. Emotional belief and intellectual knowing are truth-shadows so to speak. Half-truths at best. Someone in another thread has been discussing chemical reaction as it relates to how life began. An innocuous observation. But then he added, "And next comes the question of how the human being then arose from all this." I replied and pointed out he was essentially identifying that nails are pounded into wood by the hammer (an innocuous observation). But that he was forgetting someone or something had to swing the hammer first, in order to pound those nails. He didn't understand what I was getting at. :smile: Hammers and nails do not suddenly appear out of thin air and start interacting with each other. Examine the reality of hammers and nails, sure. But not as the cause of life. Rather, as the effect and result of whatever the Spirit impulse was that willed them into physical-material being. |
Some conceptual 'tools' for (more) conscious living:
- We, you and I and everyone and everything else, is a locally living time-space-body 'finger' on the everywhere-n-everywhen present 'hand' of God, or God's 'Life'. - our personal consciousnesses and beings are peep-holes and fire-hoses :biggrin: through which 'God' ex-peer-iences and ex-press-es aspects of the Flow said Life's Creation. - the only choice we personally have as far as I can see, is whether to consciously think, feel, believe and respond to what we ex-peer-ience as though we are really separate or separately autonomous beings or consciously think, feel, believe and respond to what we ex-peer-ience as though we are connected/interwoven aspects of said (hand of) Life. Either way, our thoughts, feelings, beliefs and (so) our responses will only focus on and what we are (at that point) 'geared' (by said Life) to think, feel, believe and respond to. ("I am the vine, ye are the branches: ... without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5; "I am the Seed of all being, ... No creature moving or unmoving can live without Me." The Bhagavad Gita, Ch.10) 'Revelations' in this regard are bound to keep on 'expanding' as we grow (learn? and develop greater capabilities in terms of knowledge, love and power) from our ex-peer-iences. All one's 'theories' (beliefs) are therefore mere evolutionary 'stages' on the 'path' of consciousness's 'evolution' - I dare say, the Consciousness of All That Is (the hand!) is bound to evolve as well as It too 'learns' though us (fingers). I can't see how this 'theory' can change - it strikes me as being so 'complete' - but it well may of course. Vive la Mystere! |
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Well, that's ultimately me, too. Yet while I'm here in this plane I can't help but wonder what the purpose of it all really is. Science is reliable in this "physical" universe, but this universe isn't the reality of existence (as per my personal view)...so after all, does it really even matter? I suppose so, in this "physical world"...but (perhaps?) not in that place where consciousness exists without the ego. |
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The atom is 99.999999 percent "nothing" (so I've read). Is it really? Is there even such a thing as "nothing"? Simply, it makes sense to me we just don't understand the "nothingness" of the atom yet. When/if we do (and I think some day we will) discover what it is, then we'll be getting somewhere. So, davidsun, you may not agree with me, and that's okay. If I understand you correctly you believe the physical and ethereal are in the same space/existence. I respect that, but I don't believe it...simply because of my NDE. That doesn't make me wiser or smarter (especially not in physics or biology or any other science), it only has caused me to question and/or give my side in hopes of hearing from others who've also had such experience. |
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I asked "God" the same questions the other day, because everybody seemed content and blissful within their own little private "I AM" experiences, while that was just way too confining for me in my whole "Everything IS" experiences... I sought to understand the difference between these two perspectives, so I decided to ask the Universe, of course. The answer: "I AM" is the whole association between the mind and thought processes - known as the Manomaya Kosha with the individual, embodied soul, known as the Jivatman. Bliss is experienced as a result, but it's still within limitation of the Self and that existential awareness. "Everything IS" is the whole association between the heart, all the emotions of the "bliss sheath" known as the Anandamaya Kosha with the 'Oversoul' or 'Divine soul' or 'God consciousness' however you like to describe it...that Soul is known as Paramatman. Jivatman or the embodied soul is only a shadow of Paramatman or the Oversoul. In the awareness of Paramatman through the Anandamaya Kosha, bliss is also experienced, but it is whole and inclusive without any ego or any notion of Self...it becomes the process of 'No-Self' because ego is intrinsically individuised through the very nature of the "I AM" awareness. This is why I had so many problems trying to understand those who would say to me "you are God" when I understood God to be everything I am NOT...it's the same principle but with totally different outcomes. Koshas: http://www.decodinghinduism.com/2014...man-being.html http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/fund/fund-18a.gif |
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P.S. I haven't personally experienced what is called an NDE. But I have no doubt whatsoever of the meaning-full-ness and wonder-full-ness of Life, both the kind (of Life) 'beyond' 'this' and the kind that 'this' is life ensconced (dreamed?) 'in'. |
I 'see' you are in full 'arrival' mode, Nec!
Yahoo!!!!! :D |
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