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Saspian 20-02-2012 01:20 AM

Selfhood ansd infinity.
 
Unless we are capable of understanding the notion of being out of time/ space we need to view life in terms of infinite regression and infinite progression.
Our intellect enables us to follow the limited teachings of science, which deals with probabilities, not absolute truth. Alternatively we can intuit and fantasise all manner of possible surreal worlds.
The idea of one finite life of varying duration..... then the judgement, and Heaven or Hell is patently absurd. We are left with the highly questionable "self" of reincarnation; this, at best ,is an essence of the billions ever inhabiting Earth and perhaps other planets or spiritual realms. Again this is all highly speculative.
if our questionable essences proceeds beyond the grave, we need to consider the infinity behind us, and all those prior essences, manifesting themselves------towards what ultimate delight or everlasting continuum, and for what good reason?
Unless we can develop clear guide lines relevant to the intrinsic nature of these states of being we vaguely postulate then, in my view, based on secular and religious histories, extinction may well be the preferred option, the alternative being an infinity of more of the similar ad infinitum, or to be locked into some weird stagnant state forever. :icon_eek:

Xan 20-02-2012 02:03 AM

"Self" is individual consciousness.


Xan

Saspian 20-02-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan
"Self" is individual consciousness.


Xan

If a mass consciousness exists in any meaningfull sense, beyond our arguably finite years, the morality and purpose of this is unknowable.

It is psychologically attractive , if not naive, to contemplate glorious eternal worlds, when indeed there is little reason to do so.

Spiritual people cannot deny a degree of hedonism in their hopes for eternal bliss.

To me the whole issue is far from resolved and the old explanatory tracks very worn.

Xan 20-02-2012 09:38 PM

Sure, Sapain... You're doing your own necessary investigation.

However the meaning of existence may be unknowable to the intellect, but it is not unknowable to the inner self.

Any thorough investigation would have to include this aspect of yourself or the results will be skewed.

And yes, the bliss of our true nature as spirit does feel very very good.. delicious, in fact.


Xan

Saspian 20-02-2012 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan
Sure, Sapain... You're doing your own necessary investigation.

However the meaning of existence may be unknowable to the intellect, but it is not unknowable to the inner self.

Any thorough investigation would have to include this aspect of yourself or the results will be skewed.

And yes, the bliss of our true nature as spirit does feel very very good.. delicious, in fact.


Xan

Its Saspian not Sapain.(Freudian slip?):smile:
The "inner self" is very vague New Age parlance.
I do not ignore intuition and a sense of awe; nor do I equivocate them with 'expereience' which too is unreliable. Sort of rock and hard place syndrome.:cool:

Xan 20-02-2012 10:12 PM

Sorry about the typo in your name, Saspian.

Phrases like "inner self" are vague until one discovers what it is for themselves, experientially. Not saying you should, but that is the way it is.

Do you mean your rock and hard place are the intuitive experiences you have and your mistrusting them?


Xan


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