Look at Genesis 1:2. It reads:

"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

The Spirit of God [Elohim] as used in this scripture obviously is not equal to God. The Spirit mentioned here is וְר֣וּחַ and is transliterated as rū·aḥ and translated as Spirit.

exactly! :smile:

............. which disapproves the 4th century Trinity Doctrine.

3rd Century :smile:




It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, and the Trinity taught today is not equal to Tertullians idea anyway..... It is an Ancient belief and goes way back before Christianity....

Which not only disproves the Trinity Doctrine but locks in place a time period when several 'new' beliefs were 'added' to 'Christianity'. 'Christianity' took a metamorphosis that transformed mainstream Christianity into something almost the opposite of what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

In as far as we are as human beings with regards to our perception, God cannot appear in a way that we would fail to relate to or perceive. He will come in a way that we are able to perceive, and that is where we "perceive" that He has a personality. And this is how he relates to us, in a way we can understand. And for our sakes, He came as a person before He sent His Spirit, and so we can safely identify with "the Spirit of the person" as a person. Because you are body and spirit, doesn't mean that you are two separate entities. You are just one person.

Was the holy spirit Jesus's father?

Matthew 1:18 -

New King James Version
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph,
before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

International Standard Version
Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah happened in this way. When his mother Mary was engaged to Joseph,
before they lived together she was discovered to be pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

Then we have,


In an Ancient version of Matthew, rather than saying"Joseph was the husband of Mary by whom Jesus was born", it reads "Jacob begat Joseph, and Joseph begat Jesus".

Jeez, You all rely on a book that was written by man,thousands of years ago,which has been altered and translated many times to suit mans agenda.he bible should be a guide only.God is an entity,a spirit,the divine,he or she cannot be labeled.

The Tao that can be named is not the real Tao :smile:
Oh..... but that's from another book :icon_eek: