Yes but this joy I speak of is not elevated in the way you are talking about.
It is the middle. It is peace. It is contentment.
Find the middle my friend.....:smile:

In my view, its not wrong but it is stupid.

You created your physical life for a reason. It is not designed to remember all that you are. It is designed to accomplish something.

What you learn after you pass over is how well you lived you life.

John

I was once an atheist, I would only believe in god if he appeared before me. Then I learnt the correct reasoning or reasoning better than before.

Science doesn't believe in coincidence yet it says that after the big bang all matter fell into the right place to create life. Then they say no it didn't happen immediately it took millions of years. Was it millions of years of stuff just floating around then all of sudden matter by a fluke without any guidance to take correct formation initiating life.

This reasoning led to me see that god is there. Secondly using my knowledge of reasoning from studying lord Buddha, I asked myself how can i reason for sure that I've had past lives.

Reason dictated that first keep in mind that now you there is a god who knws more than you and he is kind. Reason dictated lets ask why does this kind person allow a child to be abandoned for example, this is not kind.

Contemplating I applied the the knwledge of how karma works to this process. In this way I if karma is true. Even though a baby this soul was abandoned because like its mother it abandoned its own child in its past life. As a result two things came of this meditative process that we are not body but soul. Yes we heard this before but being told one thing and when one's comes to this conclusion by itself liberation takes over. secondly karma itself is a spiritual law operating in this material realm and already knws the good we will do and the bad also.

Simply put to know what you did in your past ascess the good and bad in your life. Accepting both brings peace.
Think about what you are thinking about.

yep, that's where my reasoning always stemmed from. It amazes me that most scientists are so adverse to anything remotely religious yet they produce theories based on nothing short of miraculous evidence :rolleyes:

To the original poster - What's the honest point of killing yourself just to find out what lies beyond? We're all going to die anyway and sadly that time can be sooner than expected. To be blunt about it, either there's an afterlife or there isn't. If its the latter, you won't know about it because you'll be dead. Based on what I've experienced, the chances of that being the case are next to nil. If its the former, you well be told you're going to live another Earthly life where you won't be aware of your spiritual self either, so you won't have achieved anything other than wasted a potentially beautiful life.

How about living life to the full, creating meaning for yourself and helping others, knowing the best is yet to come, AFTER you have fulfilled all you are meant to here? :hug3:

i, personally, reserve the right to deliberately exit my spacesuit permanently should the it become too painful or enfeebled to live in.

The primary reason is that we were created by God and belong to him. Anyone who kills himself is destroying God's property.

Ifyou kill yourself you will find out what happens after death but it will be too late for you to use that knowledge. A better way to find out would be to study the Bible and see what God has revealed to us about the afterlife.

The only thing that's ''wrong'' with it is that other people suffer because of it. I think it's a mistake to long for death. We don't know what will happen so it's probably a safe game to stay here. If you think you will go to a very nice place (whatever that may be) ask yourself why you are not there now?? If you don't deserve or live in that place now, what makes you think it's gonna be any better after death?

that's right. the Bible god will punish you severely for employing your free will. even if your body is rotting with incurable cancer you better stay in it and feel every agonizing moment of it's slow demise because you're the Bible god's property. he loves you so much that if you destroy his property to escape it's torments he'll toss your soul into his eternal torture chamber. and he (being all knowing) will have known in advance of creating you that you were destined for this horrible fate. study the Bible and see what the Bible god reveals about Himself.

Thanks again, especially Starbuck and Chrysaetos.

That's a good point.

As for the Bible God, been there, done that, got a T-shirt. The traditional explanations of Bible and God are just wrong in so many ways.

Can you elaborate on that which you have experienced? In a private message, if need be.

Thank you.

That's a completely seperate issue.