Thanks everybody for sharing your thoughts.
You all have some good points imo. |
It strikes me just how much people seem to wish to retreat to the spiritual - away from the physical.
Perhaps if we either accept who we are physically or perhaps push past what we deem to be our limitations - we might come to accept "what is". |
^^^Although I see the "physical" as just one end of the spectrum I'd agree. Some people seem to think the spiritual holds the answers to all the woes of their world. They want quick solutions rather than critical examination and work to put things right on the mundane.
In part I'd blame the New Age Industry that makes a huge amount of money out of persuading people that it has all those answers which it doesn't. It might have some answers but the tendency to lead people up a blind alley is all too rife. And youtube has a lot to answer for too. There's a link elsewhere to a youtube on affirmation. Turns out it isn't just a perversion of classical affirmation but it's one of these "feel better" things that right-minded people would be doing naturally (aside from it having a few contradictions!) Optimism and well-being are the norm for some. |
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a high horse of about believing in the gooding order we belong to. togging some qualitys i'd say "digesting commons normally" &' "believing we bark the good bark and get enwrapped in it" and "props dedicate'd your state of mind alike freekids" |
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Everybody has an agenda, everybody has reasons for adopting Spirituality in the first place and for their belief framework for being the way it is. Keeping it with the gist of the OP I guess awareness and freedom comes easily within Spirituality, Spirituality itself is anything people say it is so everything under that banner becomes the same. Spirituality is built on human nature. |
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7luminaries, This caught my attention. Especially this part: " And then with great relief, we talked normally for a bit about how much humanity's spirit guide team relies on us to do our part and how they come to rely on us for that...(to strive to find our truth and to share our humanity in lovingkindness and equanimity) and not to give up, essentially. " When I became an adult in a church setting we often prayed a blessing for new born children in the church family. It occurred to me that the same had been done for me in my infancy......all of course without my awareness or consciousess of it. I realized the possibility that this was not without effect.......perhaps it impacted my life without my awareness of it at that time.....only considering that possibility many years later. As we grow older we become conscious, to a degree, of the support that others give to us.........teachers, fans in sports activities that we participate in, etc. My wife, for instance, feels a strong visceral connection with her long deceased mother. In effect feeling her presence, guidance and love. Essentially, I am suggesting that our spiritual journey, perhaps, it not as quite personal as we believe it to be. We are the recipients of unperceived grace and this should serve as a reminder of the gratitude that we owe humanity and the call to a humility that we should adapt and embrace. |
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Wow Molearner...beautifully said! :hug: And I'm glad that bit resonated with you :smile: I highlighted some of your bits that resonated with me too. I would say as we grow wiser (and hopefully as we grow older hahaha), we become aware of how very important it is to support one another, in love and kindness, in courteous discussion and respectful exploration of so many of the complexities and challenges we will encounter on our journeys. Peace & blessings :hug3: 7L |
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I didn't go much for H.P.B, even though I could see a deep truth in some of her teachings, but not all of them and it left a lot to be desired. I also did not like the teachings of Alice Bailey and that conditioned/manufactured 'guru', J. Krishnamurti. I went the other way and followed Arthur Avalon (Sir John Woodroffe), Geoffrey Hodson and Manly Hall into the more esoteric side of it. Some of us/most of us...even the 'spiritual realists' are just content to live in the world and within their own current perception of it because that is 'all there is' by their definition and by their own belief systems, they make it so and as long as they are happy, whose to say any different? However, some of us...through our own belief systems understand there's something 'more than that' in all we can see/understand but the realists cannot and they will be the first to call it a 'delusion' or a 'fantasy' and of course they will say that because they are realists and not transcendentalists...this doesn't make it any more or less real to us, however. What you believe is your own truth is your own 'version of things' which bears no semblance of relevance to another who may have had a contradictory experience and can honestly say "sorry, but I don't understand you" and no matter how much you try and explain it, they will still say "sorry, but I don't understand you" because there's no familiar relational framing being presented. |
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How interesting ! I'm of the belief that a lot of posters don't even realise that they subscribe to Theosophist ideology or that they espouse notions that are damaging - they believe themselves aware & yet clearly they are not. For me or as I always advise any young person - being honest with yourself has to come first. There is a distortion of the "it's my truth" that is perpetuated by certain individuals. They act with Malice & are subversive due to personal bias yet they will conveniently "not subscribe to labels" if called out on such behaviour. They shirk the responsibility for their actions & continue to speak untruthfully. That is the Satanic side that we've talked about elsewhere, spirituality is not a license to act selfishly or maliciously - to manipulate others good traits. I'll see these people on the forum slowly introduce dangerous practices or doctrines & champion their merits but claiming no responsibility inside themselves for essentially telling lies. Rare people such as yourself really have studied & treated the spiritual path as a serious look within & without. Contemplated opposing viewpoints & took risks looking for answers. Others merely cheat by throwing around buzz words & convincing themselves they are in the exact same category. I can be quite curt at times which the honest folks on here find offensive, the charlatans & perpetrators of untruths really hate it so it must have its place in conversion at times. We can all be misguided at times, but those being false act as a distraction to genuine seekers. |
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Basically everything "New Age" came from the Theosophy movement, which has been filtered out and watered down over the years. In the attempts to bring "Eastern teachings" to a "Western audience" a lot gets filtered, adapted, dumbed down, has capitalist undertones and emphasis...and becomes the equivalent of "McSpirituality". I doubt you'd find a "New Ager" in India...I wonder why? /sarcasm Yes, even though I am a 'Westerner', I have gone into the whole Vedic culture..the whole roots of Aryan influence...and the lifestyle of this ancient tradition was just so rich...so deep...so colourful...and with each millennia, it's getting lost due to the influence of the Western cultures feeding it back. When I go to an ancient temple like Parambanan in Indonesia....Mahabalipuran in India, I touch the structures...I feel stuff. Things were so much different back then...esotericism was breathed in and out and it was an everyday part of life. There was so much 'connectivity' within spirituality..it is all disconnected and disjointed now. I am also of the awareness that I seemed to have been born in the 'wrong time' because I can relate totally to stuff that went on over about 500 years ago, but not now...and I'm still trying to find out why that is and why I have been 'spiritually born' at a time when all the old ways and old teachings are basically defunct and forgotten....and nobody wants to know or to learn. |
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