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SpiritualNovice 24-10-2017 07:30 AM

Hell???
 
What is hell?
Is hell real?
What happens to Spirits after they die and are going to hell?
What happens in hell?
Can you get out of hell?
What resides in hell?

Revya 24-10-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiritualNovice
What is hell?
Is hell real?
What happens to Spirits after they die and are going to hell?
What happens in hell?
Can you get out of hell?
What resides in hell?


1.Hell is a name for a series of dimensions designed to inflict divine retribution on wicked souls.
2.They go to hell obviously.
3.The descriptions vary from religion to religion but all texts agree that hell is a place of suffering inflicted by a person's karma.You suffer basically.
4.Religions vary on this. some religions state that hell is a place of eternal torment with no escape.Others hold the posistion that hell is a temporary state of being and will only last as long as it takes to rectify your karma.
5.The baddest of the bad and the maddest of the mad dogs.The killers of kings and the destroyers of worlds. and timothy, who is a chronic masturbator.

sky 24-10-2017 10:00 AM

I would say hell is a state of mind... as everything is of course.

Tobi 24-10-2017 06:39 PM

Yes "Hell" is a state of mind.
But it can be hard to appreciate that when a dreadful condition is imposed on a person, through no fault of their own (or not apparently anyway.)
There are many people and animals already living in "Hell" in one way or another; in terrible conditions where disease and starvation are common, where there is pain and darkness for them. Sometimes the cause is just simply the environment they happened to be born in....or their genetics....

As for the Other World "Hells" -yes they exist. Some are far darker and weirder than we can even imagine. I feel there is no punishing god who takes some there. They are encountered for many different reasons; not always because the hapless traveller is an evil person!
Sometimes they are encountered because a Soul has a mission of service. That is only for the very pure and the very strong.

My opinion is that it is good to be somewhat interested and curious about how things operate. But it is not wise to spend valuable consciousness contemplating "Hell" for most Souls.

Colorado 25-10-2017 12:01 AM

I think hell, based off what I know from my NDE (keep in mind, I didn’t see a hell) but I did see energy, different levels of vibrational frequency for energy to travel. I kinda agree with the poster above, who said it’s a state of mind...it’s a level of energy that ones energy might be attracted to. Again, it’s not like what you read in the Bible, however, it can be if that is your belief. Hell, is a frequency, where one who has a very low energy level....and I would assume that like the other levels, that it would be where your worse fears are. Energy always changes, we can all have a bad day/week/year....and create our own hell. I would say that’s why people think that suicides and other people who are in a not so good place emotionally, might see a hell when they first die. Energy always changes though, we do not go through life with one emotion or energy, our energy fluctuates through out the day, happy, sad, mad, bored, ecstatic, surprised, funny, etc, ...all these emotions are energy...and they all have their own frequencies....and energy is not solid matter, it’s somewhat like water.... it’s flowing.

But if you can imagine, somebody who passes over from suicide, is in great pain emotionally...so they may see a hell, of their own energies making, or a lower level. But, that’s not everybody, it really depends on their energy and how well they can let go of such emotions and move on from that state of energy. It could be two seconds or forever, If they are that stubborn, however....most souls would ask for help if they were scared enough. I know there is help, because I was greeted by a deceased loved one and what “I believe” was an angel...and my NDE was what a I would call, accidentally induced. Your beliefs, what you think and feel, is what you are. Guard your thoughts and feelings above all.

All the afterlife is, is energy. It is what you make of it....much like life, but easier. In our natural energetic state, we are like a clean slate. That’s how a I felt, but I believe there are people who have such high and low levels of energy, that even in a clean slate...their highs or lows, might over-shadow that neutral or happy clean slate...a,d they may need some help.

Also, keep in mind...that it’s not the same experience for all of us....my hell, would be much different than your hell, and your hell, would be different than somebody dy else’s hell....the reason for souls seeing a burning lake, demons, Satan, etc...is because the Bible and other religions is read by the masses, you have been told this, and so, it is a mass belief....and your beliefs do shape your life, afterlife, energy and feelings...and so you would create that experience, from what you heard or had been told.

My hell would be flying and falling from heights, that’s my worst and greatest fears....I could give two ****s about a lake of fire, but put me in the sky or off the ground, and I will be praying to God, Santa Claus, or Ghandi, in complete and utter fear.

Tobi 25-10-2017 12:10 AM

Great post Colorado! You just found words for what I was feeling.

CrystalSong 25-10-2017 12:34 AM

Thanks Colorado! Again you've saved me from typing out the same thing in similar words :)

Lumpino 25-10-2017 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiritualNovice
What is hell?
Is hell real?
What happens to Spirits after they die and are going to hell?
What happens in hell?
Can you get out of hell?
What resides in hell?



I thin that something like Hell is real. Some people do evocations hells demons, see for example Magia naturalis at innaturalis by Johannes Faust, or Claviculae Salomonis. Books are free on net.

Colorado 26-10-2017 12:14 AM

Almost all of the possessions and demonic possessed I have seen, are people who were disturbed, and had religious doctrine crammed down their throats at a young age. I do believe that negative intentions and energy can affect us, from both living and dead. Energy is energy, but you will almost always find, those kinds of people have been severely broken, and traumatized in life, either as children or through life. You will also find religion in their upbringing. Many of these, being highly spiritual evolved souls....the higher they go, the harder they fall...however, not all of them, some of them are just bad choices and selfishness by souls.

Lumpino 26-10-2017 05:09 AM

I think that possession could be by lower astral beings, not demons. Often the creations of the human mind. See Initiation ito hermetics by Franz Bardon.

Night Sky 26-10-2017 05:24 AM

Hell doesn't exist ... It is a word derived by the basis of fear .

Dargor 26-10-2017 11:53 AM

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Hell doesn't exist ... It is a word derived by the basis of fear .


I'm afraid there are far too many NDEs involving hell and hellish realms to ignore it's existence, just saying. Believing only in heaven is like believing there are only good people.

Colorado 27-10-2017 05:06 PM

As long as there is negative and positive energies...there will always be heavenly, hellish, and every level in between. These levels will be created by our beliefs, feelings and thoughts.

EndoftheRoad 01-11-2017 05:33 PM

Beliefs go a long way, but I do get the feeling that heaven and hell exist in the same context depending how one views their settings. One interpretation that I found fitting was Hell could be a timeout for the spirit/soul to learn. In this learning you're presented with whatever vice that needs work, and you must work this out to regain alignment. Kinda like the father that catches his son smoking and makes him smoke a whole pack in a sitting. Its up the individual to learn, and grow.

CrystalSong 01-11-2017 06:25 PM

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I'm afraid there are far too many NDEs involving hell and hellish realms to ignore it's existence, just saying. Believing only in heaven is like believing there are only good people.


In NDE's just as OBE's we see the experience we are vibrationally in alignment with. So people's reports of either heaven or hell realms only actually tell us what they could experience at the time - not what is possible for them were they in a higher state of frequency alignment or what our own experience will be. All of which heavily tends to indicate we make heaven or hell through our own expectations.

WabiSabi 01-11-2017 07:05 PM

I believe that our universe is comprised of an infinite number of experiences, and any experience that can be imagined indeed exists. Take every experience possible within the infinite universe, and put them on a sliding scale from the worst of the worst to the best of the best, and everything in between. I believe that 'Hell' refers to lesser experiences. Anything from being tormented by a yappy chihuahua for a lifetime to eternally burning in a lake of fire, unable to die. I believe that the suffering that is referred to can be either physical or mental, so it can be a state of mind but it doesn't have to be.

Internal Queries 03-11-2017 05:03 PM

Hel is the Norse Goddess of the underworld, the name of which is also "Hel" or "Helheim".


as for as hell being a place of eternal torment. pfffft! that just spiritual terrorism designed to keep the masses too fearful to step outside the prescribed religious dogma so to keep the clergy coffers filled w/ tithes and "love donations". a carrot/stick method of keeping the poor overloaded donkey plodding along. heaven = carrot. hell = stick.

if you never heard of such a place, never had the concept presented to you as a possibility, if it wasn't so prevalent in religion and in the media, you, in your innate Love and innocence, wouldn't even begin to consider that such a place could exist.

WabiSabi 05-11-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Internal Queries
Hel is the Norse Goddess of the underworld, the name of which is also "Hel" or "Helheim".


as for as hell being a place of eternal torment. pfffft! that just spiritual terrorism designed to keep the masses too fearful to step outside the prescribed religious dogma so to keep the clergy coffers filled w/ tithes and "love donations". a carrot/stick method of keeping the poor overloaded donkey plodding along. heaven = carrot. hell = stick.

if you never heard of such a place, never had the concept presented to you as a possibility, if it wasn't so prevalent in religion and in the media, you, in your innate Love and innocence, wouldn't even begin to consider that such a place could exist.


Not to play devil's advocate, but I think such a notion is quite one-sided. You say that in our innocence we would never be able to conceive of Hell, and yet from experience we know that very negative experiences can occur right here on Earth. Mass shootings, wars, famine, genocide, etc. I believe it is quite logical to assume that if such negativity can exist here, even if we as an individual are filled with love and bliss, then even worse experiences can exist elsewhere.

Internal Queries 05-11-2017 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WabiSabi
Not to play devil's advocate, but I think such a notion is quite one-sided. You say that in our innocence we would never be able to conceive of Hell, and yet from experience we know that very negative experiences can occur right here on Earth. Mass shootings, wars, famine, genocide, etc. I believe it is quite logical to assume that if such negativity can exist here, even if we as an individual are filled with love and bliss, then even worse experiences can exist elsewhere.



as you wish :wink:

WabiSabi 05-11-2017 06:25 PM

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as you wish :wink:


And with that response you have given me much to think about.

Lynn 05-11-2017 07:42 PM

Hello

That ever present balance of what is good and what is bad, note that I do not use "evil" as I feel that if there was such a darkness nothing would exist. As one that knows well there is a pull to things we should not play in, and that there is a karma that bites, we too are here to learn and grow a Soul.

Is there a place of fire, if there is in all the crossings I have done I have yet to see it. I have crossed some of what human kinds would call the vermin of the Earth, into the Light. Now I do not refer to that light as Heaven or into the hands of God. I feel that there is a higher power a Universal power that guides us, but things like Hell are man generated for control.

Looking at the possibility that there is an Enlightenment out there that final place for our Soul to go to. Taking into account that too we have something with us that is a Soul, to find that final place would we not have to walk in all life paths that are there. Being born good and being born bad. Doing things that are thought to send one to Hell.

Many times we say that we have lived or are living in Hell, yet we are living.

Lynn

Colorado 05-11-2017 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WabiSabi
Not to play devil's advocate, but I think such a notion is quite one-sided. You say that in our innocence we would never be able to conceive of Hell, and yet from experience we know that very negative experiences can occur right here on Earth. Mass shootings, wars, famine, genocide, etc. I believe it is quite logical to assume that if such negativity can exist here, even if we as an individual are filled with love and bliss, then even worse experiences can exist elsewhere.



You are just missing one valid point, those situations were created by the person, or people who decided to cause mass shootings and war. These were not created by a devil, demons, or ghost. They were all caused by people. That is the life they chose. There is no famine on this earth, only ignorance. This earth is abundant of food and water, it’s a matter of knowing how to use the resources...again something we have lost due to our civilizations and way of life. Very few people eat from the earth like we are suppose to. It is when we are in physical form, that we are tested, and how far we will go, good or bad, that determenines what we are willing to learn or do. In our innocence, we are like babies..we are clean slates.

Unfortunantly, some people’s bad choices affect others....who are innocent, or atleast from the point of our earthly eyes.

That doesn’t mean all those people are going to hell, or will make a hell for themselves in the afterlife. That means the ones creating these situations, will make a similiar afterlife for themselves, or from their beliefs.

The innocent victims, or unassuming, or ignorant....will go on and make their own afterlife, based on their own beliefs and energetic level of attraction.

Also, death is not meant to be a tragedy....it was meant to be a graduation period from one level of consciousness to another....but as the world is, it has been distorted, and made more tragic with every belief, movie, book, story, and accident in human kinds existence.

WabiSabi 05-11-2017 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Colorado
You are just missing one valid point, those situations were created by the person, or people who decided to cause mass shootings and war. These were not created by a devil, demons, or ghost. They were all caused by people. That is the life they chose. There is no famine on this earth, only ignorance. This earth is abundant of food and water, it’s a matter of knowing how to use the resources...again something we have lost due to our civilizations and way of life. Very few people eat from the earth like we are suppose to.

Unfortunantly, some people’s bad choices affect others....who are innocent, or atleast from the point of our earthly eyes.

That doesn’t mean all those people are going to hell, or will make a hell for themselves in the afterlife. That means the ones creating these situations, will make a similiar afterlife for themselves, or from their beliefs.

The innocent victims, or unassuming, or ignorant....will go on and make their own afterlife, based on their own beliefs and energetic level of attraction.

Also, death is not meant to be a tragedy....it was meant to be a graduation period from one level of consciousness to another....but as the world is, it has been distorted, and made more tragic with every belief, movie, book, story, and accident in human kinds existence.


Firstly, I do not believe death is a negative thing; though I do believe that it can be interpreted in such a way should an individual choose to do so.

My view of Hell is not of some physical place where people go to when they haven't followed some set of 'rules', but of negative experience plain and simple. Whether than negative experience is caused by other humans is irrelevant. But not all negative experience is human caused.

Being trapped under rubble in agonizing pain for days as the result of an earthquake is not my idea of a good time. Neither is living in a place that has been hammered by drought so that I am starving and malnourished, alive but constantly hungry.

My life has been pretty neutral thus far. I have experienced amazing things, utter bliss and contentment. And I have also experienced not so amazing things. As I am typing this I have a sprained wrist and a cracked rib. I am in pain and it sucks. That's okay, as I can cope with it and accept it. But some people live their entire lives in agonizing pain as the result of hereditary disease. And other negative experiences abound in this place we call home.

I am not saying that people who experience this in any way deserve it. I won't claim to know such things. But I do believe that negative experiences are real (in that they exist to be experienced), and that since such experiences are real, they must and will be experienced.

Everything that I have experienced has led me to believe that this reality exists for the sake of experience, and that any experience that can be experienced will be experienced. Those experiences include both what we would describe as good and bad things. Most of them will include both good and bad things (such as our own lives). Other ones will be almost completely good. And some will be extremely bad.

I have had visions of horrifying experiences. As much as I would like to play ignorant and pretend that they don't exist, I can't because I have (for a short time only) experienced them myself. Those experiences were undoubtedly real in that I really felt what was happening to me.

If it helps you, then feel free to ignore me. I am only sharing my own beliefs as it is relevant to the topic at hand.

Agenor 24-11-2017 02:59 PM

In my opinion you go where your mental state is. So you could theoretically leave.


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