What happens after death
 

After passing from this world, you will either stay earthbound in spirit form or you will go to heaven .
Those who do not go to the light, still have additional learning to learn from and they will learn from other spirits and the living , who they will watch and learn from .

The dead will find them selves drawn to certain people , and its there that god wishes them to learn from. Also they will hang around earthbound because they have sinned and so have to earn the right to go back to heaven .

Everyone eventually will go to the light . and back to heaven where they will live for eternity in happiness .

If that's what you believe, that's what'll happen to you.

I don't believe that God would give us free will but then he would just wait in anticipation to send you to everlasting hell for screwing up on earth. IMO God is unconditional love and I don't think he plays games with souls that haven't a clue to their life before born into this world. God IMO isn't that sicko minded.

I can't say what happens to souls when they pass out of this physical body and world. God has many mansions and your guess is as good as mine which mansion we will end up in.

I believe heaven and hell spoken of are both here on earth. If hell is down in a bottom pit and heaven is of the highest plateaus up above then how is it told in the bible that the people in hell could see across the chasm and see those in heaven but didn't know how to cross over? Perhaps heaven is the high I AM consciousness and hell is the earthly bound consciousness of sin{LACK}. Sin is described as being without. Without knowledge of Truth of God the I AM consciousness.

I guess we will find out when we pass from this earthly life and probably not before. I do believe we have had past lives. There are to many people that know places and people that they have never been to or met in this present life but they somehow know.

Well, here's a good place to start to contemplate what happens when we "die".
http://www.nderf.org/

A person can "believe" whatever they choose to believe. I encourage and hope you consider doing the research, and please look at what is gleaned from these experiencers rather than search for details to enforce any religious "beliefs".

I think that question is unanswerable. That's like asking, what are you going to do December 27th of 2025....we are all different.

There are similarities in NDEs, but each souls path is different. Some people float above their bodies, some see a tunnel (I saw a grey mist or fog, with deceased loved ones and a light behind them) Some see bridges, some see roads, some see light, some see darkness or nothing. We could go on and on, but I really don't think anyone can tell you what yours will be like...or what everyone is doing in the afterlife.

I've had experiences my whole life, and I've never seen two souls at the same place, doing the same thing. What I have seen, is energy and emotions. I'm a believer that the afterlife is mainly an energetic infinite world of emotions, that create thoughts, colors, places, things, ect.

So what is the afterlife like.....l guess whatever you are feeling at that moment would be my guess.

I'm very sensitive at times, especially during sleep and with certain weather changes. Injustice, hurt, pain, suicides, bullying, ect...all upset me...because they could have been prevented, or attest learned and healed from.

I could tell you stories from my childhood, amid young adulthood that took me from atheism, to a believer. Many of them taking years or decades to unfold...which is a testament to time, and how we operate on instant gratification, instead of true spirituality, which is on Gods time. We want all the answers now, instead of creating our life and afterlife as we go, finding out who really are, and feeling all aspects of ourselves to create our life, afterlife and the rest of the chapters of our neverending story. My opinion is, unless you die today...you are not going to know what your thoughts, feelings, and interest are when you die....just like you won't know the person you will be when you are 70, 80, or 90 years old. We change, we learn, we grow every day, every month, every year....and that ultimately shapes everything there after.

There only one constanty, and it's everything changes. Ultimately, if you learn to love yourself, that will spill over onto others through change.

If I believe I will go to Valhalla, will that also happen to me?

I believe so, yes. If that's what you really believe. You create that with the energy and thoughts of your emotions. I have a feeling you are being sarcastic, so the chances are that isn't really a belief for you.

It's energy, so if you don't believe in anything, then you will just be, who you are in the energetic state you are.



If you love the ocean, your energy will create the sensations, thoughts, feelings of the ocean, and you will experience your personal energy of the ocean.

But in Valhalla there's stuff like alcohol and a common rule in the afterlife no matter what your beliefs are, there's nothing you can do to satisfy your Earthly desires. Care to explain me this one?

Well, what is this then?

Are these really the only two choices I have?

What if I would like to cease permanently to exist?

What if what I want to happen when I die is that I die, my family plans the arrangements for burial, they grieve if they wish or can, and then they promptly move on, with myself having witnessed none of this because I am no longer within consciousness?

What if that is what I would like to happen in the afterlife? Nothing.

Ceasing to exist. No reincarnation (my God what is the point?), no heaven, no Hell. Just nothing.

Why is that bad?

Is there any religious or philosophical belief system that even allows for this?

Why are you giving me two choices?

Whom are you to determine what it is that happens to us after we pass?
Do I not have another choice but heaven or earthbound? How is earthbound any good? In fact how is heaven any good? Live a life and die to continue to live? For what? For whom? Just whom is holding the reigns here?

God is love. For the sake of love? It doesn't make sense. I am quite capable of having love right here, right now, just look it is all around us. Sometimes we simply get caught up in our own dilemmas and we miss it.



Dictated by whom, and why?

Two choices.

And what of all the countless others?

Slayer...Of course there is away to rid yourself of earthly desires....

When you arrive as a newly spiritual being, and you find that you still have needs for alcohol, drugs, sex etc etc....or any emotional anxieties etc etc....or any unloving desires towards people that are still residing on earth & in the flesh, that might find you needing to linger around the earth.

Then I would seriously consider thinking that you may have some very unsavory spiritual beings/entities still attached to you at a SOUL LEVEL after leaving the flesh....in other words SOUL TO SOUL.....THEIR "SOUL SELF" CONNECTED TO YOUR "SOUL SELF".

If you had them while you were in the flesh and didn't realize it, then they would have been connected to you at the soul level....and getting rid of the earthly flesh does not get rid of them at the same time.....
......you could go to hell and back in the spiritual world, and they will still be with you when you get back....soul to soul....still endeavoring to get you to drink, smoke and be sexual....they will be just as discrete about influencing your thoughts for as long as they can be undetectedable....but even if you work it out that they are connected to you, it is their will to be there connected to you, and you will not be able to break their will nor their energetic bond/connection to you whatsoever.....

....you will need to find your way to the spiritual lands created by god CREATOR,....(THE SUMMERLANDS)....and in the first sphere where all are welcome and made comfortable no matter what their past deeds were, up to the point of arriving there in, you will find healing centers that can deal with the attachments....

....AND THIS IS THE ONE MAJOR REASON THAT I AM SO VERY ANXIOUS TO EXIT THE EARTHLY FLESH FORM AND THE EARTH ITSELF, AND THAT IS TO RID MYSELF OF THESE STINKING ENTITIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO ME FROM VERY EARLY CHILDHOOD, I have tried every damned possible thing to get rid of them but not a thing has worked !!! ....but I have to wait because I have a responsibility regarding looking after my folks for a while longer before I can go.

Slayer.. maybe I have piqued yours or maybe even someone else's interest...
But even if I haven't. ...try to keep an open mind about it after you exit from the flesh....because these very discrete attachments can be a newly arrivals downfall into a very dark and spiraling spiritual existence for many hundreds and even thousands of years and leading to a hellish mind, shape and form and location.

Regards neil

I wouldn't fret over it, Heaven and Earth are two sides of the same coin. It's only monotheism.

Yes, if you want to drink alcohol, then you would create it with your energy. I think what that means is, what you need and want here, is not what you need and want there. When you are in energy form, there's no need to really eat, drink, shower, ect...unless you want too. I don't know about religious stuff, I'm basing this off my own NDE, which was not religious.

I expect there are as many answers to this question as there are persons to ask, here is one more. I think perhaps it is best to start with the question of what is life. There is a concept in Hinduism called the Akashic Records.


As one “anecdotal account”, I would submit the quantum field as one potential contender for that “non-physical”/ “etheric” plane of Akashic information from which physical reality arises. A physical reality which arises dependent upon what part of that infinite information source is observed and held in awareness by a conscious observer.

Perhaps life arises when a soul, unbound by space and time, reads a first person account of one portion of the Akashic records. An account in the first person that is so thoroughly written so as to include all of the events, thoughts, words, emotions, and intentions of the character. An account written with not only one character arc, but many arcs, perhaps an infinity of them. A story written with not one ending, but a compendium of all conceivable story paths to all conceivable endings, no matter how improbable, from which the reader can choose. A story so well written that if the soul will focus all of its awareness onto that account, pushing out awareness of everything else, it will come to believe they are that character. Perhaps, this is how a being outside of time and space, without limitations and boundaries, comes to believe and experience itself as a living limited physical human being. As any good story teller will know, any story so well written will of course have to include a good deal of conflict, otherwise the reader will inevitably become bored and stop reading. However, the story should not have so much suspense, anxiety, and troubles that the reader can no longer stand it and must stop reading. Yet if a story is to have all conceivable paths and all conceivable endings, then such paths are inevitable and hence the story experienced and its ending is determined by which story path the reader chooses. Despite being a story of unlimited paths and endings, it is but one story of a compendium of infinite other stories and infinite other characters from which to read.
Death is just relaxing the focus of your awareness on one story and refocusing on another, or if you prefer, not focusing your awareness on anything, and thereby being nothing, for a little while or as long as you like. If and when a soul decides to read some more, with an infinity of stories and experiences to choose from, that soul can create any experience and “be” anything it wishes, with any degree of suspense or harmony it wishes.

Perhaps a more pressing question is, “Why is the soul reading the story it is experiencing, and be-ing, in this present moment?”


P.S. As an interesting aside, if we take the word “believe” and drop an e and add a space we get “be live”. I find it interesting how words seem to work out this way and just how often I run across similar situations. Sometimes it feels like someone is messing with me, weaving subtle little hints into the story, like breadcrumbs on a path for me to follow.....to....?.

Sometimes there are multiple meanings, for example believe can also be deconstructed as 'be, leave' if you go by sound patterns rather than letter patterns. :biggrin:

perhaps the most relevant one i've found is that if you take 'live' and run it backwards you get 'evil'... and I think this interesting because supposedly (in the beginning of the bible) what was done was done to prevent 'death' which is in some sense backwards from 'life'. Of course though it doesn't help much to make such an observation if you are stuck thinking 'death' has anything to do with the presence or absence of a physical body.

seems to me like an awful lot has been 'said' this way though :smile:

Yes, what is it? And what about the others?

None of us, as far as I know, ever asked to be put upon this earth. So having to suffer or pass through those ordeals so loved by those professing to expound upon a thing and its promises (God/Love) could also ask themselves what, in the end, is the point. To add to the confusion, that thing there is a crocodile and this thing here is a human. Both of them are absolutely astounding things so why have I been chosen to be able to read the Bible - or whatever? How come I've been chosen not to be a crocodile'

In fact I think being in 'heaven' as promised, would be a great, great bore, Adam in his garden obviously thought the same thing. However I'm not too pesimistic about dying and being faced with a choice (or not). If there is nothing then I won't know. If there is something then it'll solve the problem of me not being a crocodile.
One thing I do know - I don't want to be one of those meek ones on Earth. I've other interests. As far as I can see Hinduism offers the best choice for me, being the boss of a sun would suit me down to the ground - especially if there is a chance of promotion to take over a galaxy.Where, I have to say, I'd quickly act and ban all the boring old church music we have to put up with down here.

You are right. It can only work if we have freedom of choice after death - or at least the chance to get our feet on the pathway which leads to our own development - the one of our own choice I mean.

Life is an impossible thing. Being in it just to learn to love isn't feasible. Such a problem could be dealt with in other ways, we don't need to be faced with atrocities, fires, floods and so on to want other things.

Let's keep our fingers crossed!

Well, it does seem to be a big pickle, does it not. Not knowing the answer, all I can offer is maybe, perhaps, and could be. Perhaps that should be a bit unsettling to me, but I am ok with it. It is probably good not to have too much faith in ones own answers anyway.

So you based it on your own NDE? That makes things rather interesting. Could you tell me more about it?