Robert Monroe's deterministic universe, determinism. No free will?
I'm hoping there are some people, on this forum, who've read Robert Monroe's books. In his third book, Ultimate journey, he describes some encounters that make it all seem that our universe is deterministic and whatever you do, think or feel, nothing will change the course of events that are already laid down for you from the beginning. For all of us for that matter. Here are some key excerpts:
All that tells us, or Monroe tells us, that everything is already predetermined, no free will. I'm not gonna delve into time-travel paradoxes here for the sake of brevity... maybe later in posts. Let's say Monroe decided not to answer those calls, ignore them and continue exploring at his own agency or maybe returning to his physical body. But that can't happen since in order for him to be where/when he is, he has to help himself, otherwise he can't exist in that particular scenario 'cause not helping himself would have realized a different timeline with different circumstances and different Robert Monroe. He's also destined to play the role of INSPEC, to help the past himself, exactly how it was played out before for him. And where is that Monroe in the past? Is it a different entity? etc... Well, I promised not to delve into the paradoxes... yet. So what should we think about Monroe's experiences; should we take them or leave them? Thoughts, comments, suggestions. |
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We should take them, but possibly refrain from trying to explain them or "shudder" take them as a base to make conclusions about what we are. We can say that in this timeline this happened, happens and will happen. we can't conclude that there is or isn't a timeline where he didn't go back to help himself for instance although I "shudder" think he has, will. With Love Eelco |
Biology is a good way of understanding why we do the things we do. If we understood our body and mind more thoroughly, we'd be able predict our behavior in life with much higher accuracy. Ideas like determism threaten our sense of individuality and freedom, but maybe it's because we don't understand ourselves that well. If we did understand, maybe it wouldn't be a threat but rather a launching point for improving ourselves.
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We do have free will; when making the choices that determine the events in our life. By this I mean, before we are born into the world, we decide on the life events and circumstances that will be of benefit to us. Working with our higher self, we set the stage for these events to take place; free will. When in our physical life, we are essentially playing out those choices we previously made; and learn from them in the manner that they were designed for.
The problem most people face when understanding this is that we're limited to perceiving the problem from within the linear/spiral timeline mind-frame rather than as the 'whole-time' that our higher self has awareness of. In a way, this makes both free will and pre-determined events both true in relation to our life and experiences. However, when viewed from our physical perspective, it feels like we're forced to adhere to a series of events that we have no real control/authority over. |
I'm so confused about free will beliefs. I don't think anyone will ever be certain whether or not it exists. We make choices freely it would seem, but do we actually have control over making the choices? Who knows! :D
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[quote=Glacier Serenade]I'm so confused about free will beliefs. I don't think anyone will ever be certain whether or not it exists. We make choices freely it would seem, but do we actually have control over making the choices? Who knows! :D[
Hello, So am I mate so you're not Robinson Crusoe! Free will to me and only applied to me subjectively, is the choices I have as a member of society/humanity is based on what my "ego" wants. I get to choose what food I eat unless I live in a country without food,then they give and I take! Free will is being able to choose a particular type and model of motor vehicle I drive,that is free will! Its very simple to understand,but it is only relevant to the here and now,and,it is the only thing that separates us humans from animals,its not just intuition and instinct,it's the ability to make positive choices,some choices affect others,some don't Then again if I was locked in prison I still have free will but then I have to submit to someone else's will,or lose my privileges, but I still retain my free will,but,I cannot exercise it as a "right",I lost that right when I entered prison? Free will to me just separates us from the instinctiveness of an animal,for instance I feed my cat every day twice,in between he catches mice or vermin, I did not produce the mouse,the cat chose that himself and that is free will too,he could of left the mouse alone but didn't, I have watched him make choices! Now whether or not I chose my parents or they may of chose me,well I don't know,God knows and its on a need to know basis,would it be an advantage knowing my life's plan? I think it would be a big disadvantage,the same as knowing when,where and exactly how you are going to die,it may have an disaterous outcome. But I do know when I leave my body whether consciously or NDE,its still me,my mind, travelling on these journeys,I know I am. My will is limited there,like in a prison! Kind Regards Billy. |
What did Einstein say about "Space/Time".
What is then linear time? What is, "The Matrix"? Apart from time, all is a known. |
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