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ian77 04-02-2016 08:54 PM

Do we have Free Will,if so,What is it?
 
Anyone have any ideas on this subject? This question could unlock our future.

lyzth 05-02-2016 12:00 AM

Yes for rational choices. Choices we can deliberately understand and follow. Like decision making.
No for emotional aspects that we cannot choose. Aspects we cannot understand, not scientific or not yet understandable.
How can this unlock the future?
If time cannot be defined for sure, have we any past or future?
Or events are flowing all the time (therefore, out of time)?

ian77 05-02-2016 09:25 PM

It can unlock the future.We are attached to nature through our thinking.Infact,we are chained to nature through our desires.But,if we change every desire into the desire for Self-Knowledge;We can,through repeated life times,conquer death by regenerating our physical bodies.Through doing our ultimate duty we will leave this world of time,death and sorrow,and enter a state of bliss beyond human imagining.

organic born 06-02-2016 05:01 AM

Do we have free will? Just barely, and perhaps even less than that.

In the first place we must follow the rules of nature. We can only move in the manor in which our body is capable of. We can only eat what our body can handle. And we're contained by societal structures and acceptable normalcy.

We are free to think what thoughts that come to mind, but thoughts are mental images based on language and convention, a million thoughts won't add up to one single physical occurrence. If we're using our thoughts to direct our physical actions we can only work within the limits provided.

What we tend to think of as free will is simply the choice of various oddities at the end of a long series of "have-to's". By being physical we are bound to what's physically possible. We adhere to such in order to survive.

Mr Interesting 07-02-2016 06:15 PM

It's almost as if the term free will is somewhat loaded to fail simply because the paradigm that created it is the perceptive index in which to view it which feels somewhat to speak of lack whereas if we look at it as will of the free then this states somewhat that we already have it and exercise it all the time.

ian77 07-02-2016 09:08 PM

Will is the dominant desire,of the moment,of a period,or of the life of a person.Desire is the conscious power within.No desire in a human is free,because it is attached or attaches itself to nature.
Free will is to be unattached,unattachment.Free will is possible.But only through self knowledge.

organic born 08-02-2016 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ian77
.No desire in a human is free,because it is attached or attaches itself to nature.

So, do you view nature as a "bad" thing, something to be overcome, or do you view nature as an 'aspect' of our experience, something to be understood in a cooperative way?

ian77 08-02-2016 08:41 PM

No,nature is not a bad thing.But nature in this human world of life and death is unbalanced.In this world we are all destined to die.Or at least be believe we are destined to die.
Through free will we can take the great way to conscious immortality.You may not believe it,you may not want it.But everyone should know about it.

RyanWind 08-02-2016 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ian77
Anyone have any ideas on this subject? This question could unlock our future.


You asked if "we" have free will. What are we?

Are we the thoughts and decisions produced by the super computer known as our brain? Scientists have discovered that thoughts appear in our brains BEFORE we are conscious of them. That means "we" as consciousness has nothing to do with the production of thoughts.

So when a thought is offered to consciousness, like I want to order a hamburger, where is the free will? Your brain, with it's memories and habits determines what you do.

If you somehow become some kind of mystic and transcend your thoughts, then the characteristics of your consciousness will determine your actions.

Seems to me the only free choice is if we follow our thoughts or we transcend them.

For a choice to be truly free, one has to know every choice in that moment that is possible. If you only know the choices presented by your mind, you choice is limited by your mind.

Gracey 08-02-2016 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ian77
No,nature is not a bad thing.But nature in this human world of life and death is unbalanced.In this world we are all destined to die.Or at least be believe we are destined to die.
Through free will we can take the great way to conscious immortality.You may not believe it,you may not want it.But everyone should know about it.


Does conscious immortality mean that you will not physically die?


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