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Please also try and realize there is no disrespect intended in my post what so ever. I only write to give another view. |
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but the exhortation didn't quite make sense throughout, hence "interpretation". There were grammatical ambiguities that allowed different interpretations. However, on my occasional visits here I read many posts about bringing abundance on oneself and silently ask an abundance of what? Abundance has a mundane meaning and on looking at posts closely, they often extend into this arena - earthly wealth and goods. There's a popular poster on this forum who rightly thinks there's no shame whatever in such a pursuit. There's nothing wrong in the acquisition of earthly goods except, like I said, it tends to tie one to the material earth. Fine by me. It could also mean an abundance of spiritual wealth (if that's possible) but would pose a very awkward question about the process....which brings me to the closing remarks in that previous post. But like I say, it's an interpretation. ♥ |
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No problem, glad I could provide content... your post leads me to a few questions... So you talk of intention vs ulterior motives, could you expand on this and how it affects the LOA? I think this is the part that trips me up. What do you mean by ulterior motives? Ok, I have watched certain spiritual leaders/ teachers or maybe a few that were not particularly spiritual but that taught about the LOA, and they claim they can manifest stuff just because they want it at that time. It's more than Teal Swan (I will get back to her in a moment), there were others. There was a guy, I will have to look for him, his name was Steve something and he was not particularly spiritual but he taught the LOA and he said he can manifest anything he wants. For example, he says he can manifest coins on the ground and so can his kid (he had taught how to do this). Ok, so his intentions are just that he wants or needs some money, right? Is that an acceptable intention? Because, obviously, it works for him. It seems less than pure in some way, it is not a need, just a want for him but he can do it. So I'm curious to understand where the line is drawn. Also, how to manifest extra money in particular when I need it. I also wonder how the heck you would teach this to a kid, but that could just be because I am thinking of my kids, vs other peoples lol. Anyway, I can look for his full name if it helps, I'm just curious about what intentions work and what does not and why certain people can manifest random, un-needs and other people can hardly manifest needs. I am aware of clearing blocks and all that, I mean, I would like to understand it past that as I feel my blocks are for the most part, good and clear. I believe though, there has been somewhat of a designated path in my life and that has something to do with what can happen as far as manifesting stuff. I realize this isn't spiritual but I'm still interested as it is useful. Now on to Teal Swan, I am glad she came up. I used to like her and she was one of the first people I heard talk about the LOA, I'm interested to know more of your opinion on her, mine has changed a lot. I watched a body language expert's opinion of her and that is when I really started to doubt her, at least her story she tells of her childhood. The body lang expert just had a lot of good points and I had to agree that her story of her childhood is sounding more and more shady the more I hear about it. At this point, I don't really believe her childhood story too much and makes me wonder what else she lies about. Although if she gets a lot of her information from reading lots of books (as the girl would lived with her claimed) than some of it, in and of itself, could still be useful to some people. So that's not to say every message is useless, but I don't want to follow a source I don't trust. So thank you for the reply as I just want to understand it all lol:hug2: |
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What do you mean it ties you to the earth? Do you mean with ether type chords, or your ether body, or what, exactly do you mean? |
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I hoped my comment explained but since it doesn’t all I can offer is that acquisitiveness tends to make people put their faith and trust in material goods, what wealth can buy, and shields them from the chance to look at the riches in themselves as spirit, the value of experiences, the understanding of their relationships with material goods (what they REALLY mean to the them); and the value of those (people) and nature around them on the mundane, what they bring to your life and what you take to theirs that you can’t measure materially – trust, open-heartedness, reliability, steadfastness, appreciation, willingness to share what you have without depriving yourself. Abundance (of material wealth) tends to inspire fear of unknowns – something religion has got away with since the beginnings. (You can’t promote religious ideologies without a material world against which to offset them so it would seem.) Acquisitive people are often afraid to die (in part because of the possible physical pain but also) because they’re forced to leave behind all they’ve trusted in about their lives – their “treasured possessions” and what they symbolise. They no longer control. They don’t want to leave the physical earth. Does that help? There are no physical cords, no mystique about it. People fritter their lives accumulating wealth then at the end wonder what it was all really about! ♥ |
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Yes, that clears it up. I agree about being materialistic, but when I learned about the LOA it told me that someone can materialize anything they want (within reason) and that would include friends, jobs, love...So more than just material wealth. And I'm not talking about stuff that is unrealistic to ones life. So for example, I have seen posts on this board where people claim they materialized a boyfriend. Just as an example of something not material. But my issue is, why does it work sometimes and not nearly all the time, or for some people but not others? And I'm not talking about one thing over another, but anything one might want to materialize. Because it is described as a law, that leads me to believe it should work nearly always (I don't say always because there are always exceptions). But still, a "law" should be something one can depend on to be constant, but my experience with it was never constant. Maybe it's just me and I'm a **** poor materializer, but it's not from not clearing blocks and it's not from not doing all the other suggestions on LOA. Then I read some other opinions from people on this board that are wise, and they say things like, it has to be meant to be, and it also involves the needs of others and this is all fine and makes sense, but my issue is....This sounds less to me like some special "law of attraction" and more like Life. Life, the way it is and always has been. Nothing special or different about it. Just life, the way it has always worked. Really more of a crapshoot. And I now think the fault of my dissolution with the LOA may be that I had faulty teachers from the beginning, that led me to believe it was something it wasn't. Like a magical cure that, if you follow the instructions, will allow you to bring to yourself anything and everything you want. Which obviously, didn't work. So while when I first discovered the LOA I found it to be very empowering, after the dissolution of trying to practice it, it then became very not empowering. |
I also think it is empowering in a kind of way. At least it tells someone that if they can't be optimistic they won't attract optimistic people/situations. One has to believe in oneself and ways and means to do that aren't always spelled out in any of the texts I've read. Difficult, yes, because the authors aren't the actual people they're addressing and a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't work with spirituality (as religions have found out).
I believe as a law it's flawed. Like only attracts like in the grossest sense like in the optimism/pessimism thing. Love might attract love except...can one "be" love enough to attract it. Love (so I read here often enough) is an etheric energy but it must also be a 'state of being' to comply with the like attracts like law. How does one achieve that state of being? The nearest I can think is someone is at peace, optimistic, emotionally balanced (between pure, intuitive emotional reaction, and intellect) and self-motivating to enjoy all they must do - work, hobbies, spiritual observances etc. One can project what one believes love to be but whether it'll attract love in an identical form (i.e. like=like) is questionable because our individual concepts of love are unique and very different. Like attracting like seems very rare in the physical world and since our manifesting arises from and is usually about the physical world I can't reckon on the principle ceasing to exist with LOA. In the real world like usually attracts an opposite or is drawn to a void. Just my reckoning but those who seem more successful at it aren't practicing it at all. They're affirming. They've fixed their focus on something and (properly practiced) those affirmations are guiding their behaviour toward the target. Successful people in the commercial world do this naturally. They stack the odds in ways subtle and otherwise to achieve. Think of someone like Donald Trump. He didn't get where he did (with his huge and rather beautiful building in NY) by buying a book on LOA (or equivalent). He had an aim and single-mindedly pursued it. His affirmation at each stage was "I'm going to do it." "I'm going to get a good deal." Doesn't matter whether you like Trump or not the principle holds good. Focus, affirm, don't look for results but acknowledge them when they appear and move to the next stage. I won't self-quote aside from saying that I think I've been fairly successful in my aims. I'm no Trump but a spiritual leaning led to acceptance and use of advice from successful people and observation, all adding up to the same thing. One can buy as many books or teachers as one likes but if the focus and motivation aren't there, including timescales, nothing can proceed. You know what I reckon? Too many people want LOA results without doing any work. Miracles do happen, sure, but most "getting what you want" takes work. Also, too many people are selling books with wonderful intentions. The road to hell is paved with wonderful intentions. So disappointment/disillusion is often the result. The only teachers of any spiritual use are those who can help us find the signposts, not tell us what we should be doing or which route to take. But like I say, these are just my views. If someone wants something big then they might have to start in small, manageable stages. Defining what they want and an initial guess at those stages do seem to yield better results. ♥ |
You hit on my problem exactly, I spent so many years of putting enomerous effort into things and seeing little to no results. School, jobs that turned out to be a waste of time, LOA, that now, I just refuse to do it anymore. I just refuse to put an enormous amount of work or energy into something unless I KNOW the results will equal the effort. I just can't do that anymore and with the LOA I just saw too many times, no result. I spent years believing I would have results with things and in the end, nothing. So now, to turn around and trust something with no guarantee of results, I just can't do it anymore.
Another thing I found was when I was listening to these spiritual teachers, their messages always made me feel good for a while, but they always lacked practical advice, so in the long run, nothing ever changed. Maybe what I needed was a more practical how-to book, instead of a vague spiritual message. I don't know about attracting love by being love, I felt like I was in a good place but that doesn't cause the rest of the world to be, and I'm finding it a struggle to deal with the energy of others at times when it's overtly negative. But within self, I am good. |
Thanks for the helpful tips on using The Law of Attraction. I need to start applying to my life because I tend to be self doubtful .
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Very nice thread, some very nice LOA concepts here. thanks
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