How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness
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Hi 7luminaries, I agree with you about the antecedence of Consciousness. Why? When I first read the sentence in Haramein's article about spacetime/consciousness, "From this perspective, we may approach the phenomenon of consciousness as the process of expression and encoding of information in space-time...." ...a feeling told me that it should have read thus: "....we may approach the phenomenon of expression and encoding of information in space-time....as the process of consciousness" :smile: When scientists finally conclude that their methodology of "uncovering the Truth" (thanks to my friend Weareunity for that wording) with experiments that result in verifying the Perfect Truth that has always been... ....they will then understand, at long last, why Chiang said in JLS, those"...who scorn perfection for the sake of travel go nowhere, slowly. Those who put aside travel for the sake of perfection go anywhere, instantly"... There is no other where or no other place or no other time for scientists, or ourselves, to "uncover the Truth", except where It has always been, within us all. Perfect speed is being there! :smile: I offer an additional source to balance the need of scientists to maximize acceptance of physical data to support their experimental theories...in favor or realizing that there are more answers to be "uncovered" by the "inner mind", than will be found by over-reliance of the "conscious mind", buttressed with corresponding 'mathematical language' resulting in labor-intensive, often-faulty conclusions. See reference below: Reference: https://findingseth.com/q/session:615+'conscious+mind'/ |
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Agreed :D Or, "...as the manifestation of consciousness in spacetime". Quote:
However, in this discussion, we could say that all objective truth, laws, & constants are just the reality of higher consciousness. I.e., that which is manifest by higher consciousness, including that which is manifest in spacetime. Higher consciousness being more coherent and unified (entrained), whether "viewed" or apprehended by us as one, as union or as communion. And thus, being more coherent and entrained, it is also more universal in manifest application (i.e, all physical and metaphysical/spiritual laws, constants, etc.). And thus we come to perceive (ever more truly) that which we deem as objective reality and objective truth. Meaning, all that which is manifest by higher consciousness, including all that which is manifest in spacetime. Quote:
Those objective truths (i.e., manifestations) of higher consciousness outside of spacetime are moral, ethical, social, and broadly spiritual truths, which fall into the realm of what we would call justice and lovingkindness. Interestingly, however, as we know, there are still a great many ways to at least very generally measure many indices of well-being and justice, or of suffering and injustice. And thus these (the social sciences) will no doubt continue to be a focus in our present age, alongside the physical sciences and what they contribute. Peace & blessings :hug3: 7L |
(newbie consuming this thread all at once = white knuckles and wide pupils):icon_eek:
Thank you all for this; epic read & I'll process for days to come... |
How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness
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Hi BodhiCris, Welcome to Spiritual Forums! Am glad you're enjoying your time here so far. I hope you realize that what you're reading is not nearly as important as the knowledge you apply your own way. I predict you'll be showing us things no one else has considered...and Truth?...gotta admit there's nothing more fun than seeing something exciting from a new perspective, right? (How do you think we've done it)? BTW: I like the :icon_eek: icon myself; guess we gotta wait until SF builds one for "white knuckles"!! Looking forward.... |
How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness
Please disregard this post as an inadvertent duplicate of the one above. - Guthrio
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I guess everything is consciousness. And so when scientists accept emotions as evidence. Then they can discover that way more easily. So rather than asking too much of science, make a bridge. By pointing towards the emotion as valid evidence and reality.
Energy in motion. E-motion. If you're gonna study everything, then there has to be emotion involved. Can't just be like, yeah I wanna know EVERYTHING... Except myself... Well then it is not everything! xD |
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Why emotion? Pure consciousness, minus anything else, is emptiness. Think deep and dreamless sleep. There is no emotion. That is the ground-stuff of what is. |
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Or we can take it one stage further. Advaita puts forward three states of everyday consciousness - waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep. Then there is the fourth state of Turiya, which underlies and transcends these three common states. Those who have experienced the Turiya stage of self-consciousness have reached the pure awareness of their own non-dual Self as one with everyone and everything; for them the knowledge, the knower, the known becomes one, they are the Jivanmukta. Quote:
Not necessarily. Some would regard the emotional body as unreliable and unnecessary for higher understanding. At best, the emotional body may be considered as a reflection of spiritual intuition, but unless we have mastery of the emotional body then any reflection is liable to be distorted. Peace |
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Yes, that is true! The fourth state of consciousness or super-consciousness. Existence, consciousness, bliss. |
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