NDE poll for opinions
 

I don't believe they are caused by the brain or body because many people travel in spirit to love ones further away during an NDE and what they reported seeing that person doing ends up being correct. Or like one example, a guy floated above and saw a shoe on the roof that you can't see from any other angle. After his NDE he checked and there was indeed a shoe on the roof where he saw it.

I think an NDE can be planed before birth, but I don't think all of them are. I know one kid that drank so much alcohol that they had to revive him. I don't think that was planed before birth.

I think they can be healthy in some cases, but people can also get the wrong idea about the experience. Like some of the Christians who have had an NDE and had an experience of hell come back and warn everybody about how bad hell is and put the fear into people. Then their message becomes "fear is a real place and you better straighten up or you're going to end up there".

There is more than one book like that out there. What they would have discovered if they had progressed to a different stage of the NDE is that they would have likely left the hell planes. They put themselves in the hell experience, and they would have likely left it after asking for help or after they came to realize they were doing it to themselves.

I recommend the book "Blessing in Disguise: Another Side of the Near Death Experience" by Barbara Rommer. She categories less than positive near death experiences by stages. Apparently we go through different stages during these experiences. It sounds to me like those who only experienced hell didn't progress through all the stages. So they don't have a complete picture.

1) IMO neither.

2) Both.

3) I don't think anyone knows.

It's interesting that you mention that, kuurt.
I was wondering the exact same thing myself and didn't realise the idea had been written about before. Thank you.

M. Tesla, you have narrowed your topic to Near-Death Experiences when in fact the larger question might be about experiences beyond this physical existence, or experiencing ourselves in the afterlife while we still have a viable physical body here on earth, of which a near death-experience is only one such method.

People also have out-of-body experiences not related to a near-death episode, or they might have an experience of expanded consciousness which takes them beyond this physical world, and that may not be related to a near-death episode either.

There may even be more but these are at least three that I am aware of, and I am also aware that near-death experiences receive most of the attention by the public in Europe and the Americas, while out-of-body experiences, and cosmic consciousness, may receive more attention elsewhere.

Whether it is an experience of expanded consciousness, commonly called an experience of cosmic consciousness, an out-of body experience, while sitting in meditation, etc., or a near-death experience, they all have the potential of revealing a greater truth about the afterlife.

Whether they are healthy or not depends on how they are handled by the person who experiences them. An while they have a great impact on people’s lives, I think they are not required for growth and development. They are not caused by the brain or body, rather they are caused by a person’s ability to let go of their brain and body. Whether they are planned by the “soul” before birth is a question I cannot answer, but I can say that I do not believe in random events.

1, 2, 1 :smile:

M.Tesla...you don't know me, hi.
Just saying I have prob read every NDE, STE...and every book from
The Other Side transmitted to someone here.
Hahaha...yes, I could be considered a nut. :tongue:
But, I do know what I'm talking about ...because of my
own many Other Side experiences.
Love the topic.

True...but most religious people have been taught from early childhood about heaven and hell in church, directly and indirectly. Since we are energy, they create that experience of what they were taught and their beliefs when they pass over. We create our realities. Heaven and hell experienced are very much dictated by our emotions, beliefs and thoughts when we pass over. There is a really good movie made in another country about this. I will see if I can find it.

This is actually in the movie I want to find for you guys. I think the movie might be banned here in the states, I’m not sure....but it was on another forum. It showed people who passed over in negative states, fluctuated between realms depending on their negative emotions, beliefs and traumas. When they let it go, they were able to cross over again to another higher plane. It looked like a place to purge negative so the soul could move on to higher planes.

As for my beliefs...I think we have a life path or goals we want to achieve spiritually. Some might be planned, some not. I think it’s always gone over before one incarnates here...since suicides especially have a higher risk of recommitting the same outcome life after life. I don’t know if they are healthy, I guess that would depend on each persons perspective. I do think the body can aide a NDE....I think everything biologically and energetically flow together in the process.

STE?
Ive been so elated since the NDE that occured in Mid-July.
1, 2 , 1 for me too
Be well:hug3:

After reading some of the comments I need to elaborate on my position further.


I know before I said neither, but I want to change my answer to both. I couldn't pick 1 over 2 or 2 over 1 because only 20% of NDE's result in an experience. Most people who nearly die don't report an experience. Many people can discover their truth about "life/death/rebirth/their place in life" without ever having to die to know it or picking up a book on NDE's. I consider myself in that category.

Yes it's true some people have discovered a new perspective on life after having an NDE, but other's haven't experienced anything. I think it's important that we don't dismiss their experience just because it doesn't align with convention. The truth is there are lot of people in the world who managed to discover their truth without ever having any kind of spirituality.



Once again the correct answer is both. Obviously the body and brain need to be sick or dying in order for an NDE to occur. Medical professionals have documented changes in the body and the brain during and after death. Spirit takes over, but the brain isn't completely dissociated from dying.

The correct answer is the body and the spirit plays a part in the dying experience.


The burden of proof rest upon the one who makes the claim. Can some one prove that either answer is correct or either answer can't be correct? Remember not even psychics agree on the nature of freewill. Some people think everything is predestined which is very much a Calvinist approach to Life after Death, while others believe in freewill. Who's right? I believe their is a third option. Once again it's both. So I guess what I'm trying to say is there is a third option for all 3 questions.

I personally would be interested to hear your NDE when you feel ready to share. :)

Responding to your poll:
1. NDEs are not physically healthy because you have to die to experience one. But they do offer insight to a topic closed to human scrutiny for most of humanity's existence, and they are helpful in establishing that our consciousness doesn't die along with our physical bodies. It's not necessary to have an NDE in order to learn from them, since others have already had NDEs for you.

2. NDEs are definitely NOT created by the brain. There's much evidence to support this fact. NDEs are in truth not NEAR Death experiences, but actually Short Term Death Experiences. These people actually died. One Russian male was actually dead for almost two full days before he awoke in the morgue just before they were to start an autopsy. NDEs are REAL DEATH experiences.

3. NDEs can be assigned to both of your categories--both pre-planned before birth, and caused by events in our physical lives.

You say poll but I see nowhere to place any polling options. Tried to create a thread and yes the options to poll are supported by this content management system. Perhaps the poll is broken or you just didn't add one.

You did not define NDE and looking it up at Wikipedia probably won't help. What I am quite sure of also by looking at the questions is that whatever the term NDE defines, it fails to pass the scientific method.

But even without knowing the definition I feel able and bored enough to state the obvious.
What we believe can't be proven and is merely speculation and what we can prove may be proven otherwise and was merely belief.

Ok dagmar this isnt science this is experience. We are all entitled to our experiences. Anyone can simply read the first post and amswer the poll questions. Thank you everyone for the replies. I wish I could share my nde. Its a lot to write about, perhaps one day I'll find the time.and words.