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Being 13-01-2014 08:37 AM

Supersoul
 
i'm currently reading the book Supersoul by Ian Lawton - it is a very well researched & interesting book. It takes the past life/inter life research a lot further, into some very exiting territory. Ian is an author who is i feel at the forefront of his field, a pioneer researcher/writer. He has written a lot of interesting books. Type 'rational spirituality press'/'Ian Lawton' & you'll get his web site.

i'm not here to promote him. Simply to discuss what his book Supersoul is saying.

i'll as simply as possible paraphrase the idea -

That there is the incarnating personality/soul fragment - then there is the Soul/Higher Self connected with all the incarnations. & there is a Supersoul, which is an integrated whole of around a thousand souls. He is talking about something different to the Oversoul/Soul Group & other 'categorisations'.

To use the analogy of water -

The raindrop is just one life or personality.

The Stream fed by many raindrops is the Soul.

The River fed by many streams is the Supersoul.

The sea fed by many rivers is Source.

This is not an abstraction - The 'Supersoul' is very much who we are. Many Souls even within the between life state will be unaware of this, until they have reached a certain level of progression.

i don't expect anyone else to have read it, & it's a very little known book. But has certainly moved my spiritual understanding forward.

DayLight1555 13-01-2014 04:05 PM

Oh, that's what my "spirit guides" told me also. But in different words. It's nice to hear that someone else is talking about it also.

I see it this way:

Our body is made up of a huge number of bacterias and cells and other things. These cells and everything is organized in a special way in order to make the mind emerge. Without those living cells, there would be no mind emerging. So they are a very important part of the mind. Even though separately they are not the mind, and yet, they are a part of it.

So one could say that the smaller living thing is a cell. A bigger living thing is a person.

Then the next step is the super person (a mind which consists of many people, people are like cells, and they make the mind emerge collectively).

So it's like this: a collection of certain living things, organized in a right order, makes a mind emerge.

Throughout Cosmos, everything is connected. And so there are different life forms: smaller, bigger, even bigger and biggest. There are many levels.

Kind of like seeing the family unit as the smallest group. Then this family belongs to many other families (in a church for example), and that becomes the bigger group (consisting of smaller groups). Then there is a number of churches that go together under a certain denomination, which makes it a bigger group. Then put together all the denominations, which makes it a bigger group. Then put together all the religions and the world could be separated into two huge groups: religious people and non religious people (for example). Then there is a country (a group) and the earth, and each planet makes a galaxy and a group of galaxies make a universe and so on.

So there are many levels of life. And everything is invisibly connected. And certain special things, connected in certain special order produce different kinds of minds. So some of these mind are labeled as a soul, an over soul, and a bigger soul and a source.

I made up one of the labels, I call it "An Immortal Soul", which consists of many versions of you which always exist. Some of you die and some of you live, and then others of you are born. But the overall soul is always alive, the overmind, and so, in this sense, you could say that you are always alive also. But, in this case, "you" would be - like a living cell in our body compared to our mind.
But, when you get abilities, you'll be able to connect into your oversoul and to experience and know what it knows and maybe even feel like you are it. Some people said that they felt like they were "everything". I imagine that was because they connected to their oversoul and felt what it feels and it's too vast to comprehend by a human mind, so it just felt like "everything". Although it's not. Because there are bigger levels of certain minds emerging. Or maybe the Source is the collection of all of these Immortal Souls...

Being 14-01-2014 04:38 AM

That kind of thing as you describe, but it's expanded a lot upon in the book, & some interesting theories are put forward - including a single soul/single incarnation from the super soul - where the incarnation takes primary responsibility for the evolution of the supersoul.

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Originally Posted by DayLight1555
Oh, that's what my "spirit guides" told me also. But in different words. It's nice to hear that someone else is talking about it also.


Accordingly your spirit guides would be you as well, according to the 'model',

Being 15-01-2014 07:23 AM

Have finished reading Supersoul, & am now close to finishing reading Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H. Pealer. Am really enjoying it.

He talks about the 12 levels of Worlds - the Physical Universes, going on to the Astral Worlds through to the Causal & Higher realms. It's fascinating.

According to Pealer - the Monad/Higher Self Exists on the 5th plane & below that are the Created Worlds - Above the 5th Plane/level are the God Planes.

Beyond the 7th level things appear to become indescribable.

Accordingly - the Soul travels from God down through the 12 levels, & slowly achieves Mastery of each level, rising back up through the levels.

DayLight1555 17-01-2014 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Being
Have finished reading Supersoul, & am now close to finishing reading Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H. Pealer. Am really enjoying it.

He talks about the 12 levels of Worlds - the Physical Universes, going on to the Astral Worlds through to the Causal & Higher realms. It's fascinating.

According to Pealer - the Monad/Higher Self Exists on the 5th plane & below that are the Created Worlds - Above the 5th Plane/level are the God Planes.

Beyond the 7th level things appear to become indescribable.

Accordingly - the Soul travels from God down through the 12 levels, & slowly achieves Mastery of each level, rising back up through the levels.


I should try to read this book probably.

I think I heard something similar, but expressed in a different way.

Each little part of the Oversoul starts its evolution (by being born as a human or other kind of a lifeform), lives for a very long time, evolves through that time, reaches different levels of evolution and once it reaches the highest level, it kind of like "resets" and starts again. So this cycle continues. But each little part of the Oversoul has a different timing scale. So that many different parts of the Oversoul are at different stages of evolution at a time.

So if you consider that this Oversoul is "you", then there is "you" at this moment that is like the god (so to speak, referring to one of the higher levels of evolution).

Being 17-01-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DayLight1555
So if you consider that this Oversoul is "you", then there is "you" at this moment that is like the god (so to speak, referring to one of the higher levels of evolution).


Despite very different material/writing style - both books appear to largely be saying the same thing in relation to the supersoul/oversoul/higher self - whatever terms you wish to describe it as - that the eventual outcome is the realisation of a god like Being/existence. We go through the lower realms & experiences within the lower levels, to learn agape - to fully appreciate the higher levels. All part of a divine plan. Probably better to read the 2 books if your interested - & i'd highly recommend both of them. Ian Lawton's book cites a lot of very interesting sources - he lays out 3 main theories as to what may be going on in relation to the incarnated soul - but it's better to read the book as to what they are.

Being 24-01-2014 11:08 AM

We should understand that all things are the works of the Great Spirit. We should know that He is within all things: the trees, the grasses, the rivers, the mountains, and all the four-legged animals and the winged peoples; and even more important, we should understand that He is also above all these things and peoples. When we do understand all this deeply in our hearts, then we will fear and love and know the Great Spirit, and then we will be and act and live as He intends. — Black Elk

DayLight1555 02-02-2014 06:04 PM

I am reading the book by Ian Lawton Super-soul and it really does talk about the kinds of things I believe in. It's very exciting to find a book like that. So thank you for mentioning it. And not only that, it also talks about other books and material which talks about similar things, and that is so great also. I guess Seth and Gilda spirit guides are talking about this, so I'll look into their stuff also.

I've been so alone in the kinds of beliefs that I have and I started to doubt them. So it's very helpful to find out that a few mediums are transmitting the same kind of information.

Isn't it just amazing that we have other versions of us? And living at the same time too? (Some call it Super-soul fragments, some call it probable selves, I call it siblings and other versions of me). And not just at the same time, but some of us are much higher on the developmental scale and some of us are just starting. Some of us are experiencing similar things to us and others already gone through that and can give us advice (maybe in the form of intuition or premonition or even words).

And isn't it amazing that some of our spirit guides and angels (as we perceive them) are actually other aspects (or versions) of our own selves (but they are just much higher on the developmental scale)?

So sometimes when we talk to "god", we may be talking to our highly developed self (another version of us).

So all together, all of our versions collectively is the SUPER-SOUL. It's like all the versions of our probable selves are linked to the database of this SuperSoul and we can "read" the experiences of our other selves from this database. (There is also a reincarnation factor, but I am not going there at the moment, but it adds to the experiences and personality of the SuperSoul).

This SUPER-SOUL could be perceived as a god to us. It's so complex and highly developed... (considering it has the experiences of all of the versions of each of our selves and subsequent reincarnations/experiences. Some of the selves who could be called "the ancient of days" because they have lived for a very long time by now.)

I believe that Jesus was talking to Jesus' Super soul when he was talking to his "Father". And Jesus said: me and the Father are one. And also: The Father is greater than me.
I didn't understand how it could be possible. But if Jesus was the fragment of the Super-soul, and the Super-soul is like the Father, then it makes sense. And there must be many Jesus's in other existences and maybe he didn't die in some of them and maybe never became considered a "god" in some of them. (because it would require special circumstances in order for that to happen, which did happen in our version of existence).


And in some sense our Super-soul is like our father/mother. It's like the dna of the Super-soul is put into some place, which then makes each version of us grow up into the person that this seed came from. (Reminds me of the Bible again, how it says that God put his seed in us and we will grow up to be like him).

So finally, with new information, a mystery within Christianity is starting to make sense. And I kept studying it and studying because I really wanted to understand it. But I got nowhere. And it's because this idea is part of the multidimensional reality, it can't be explained in terms of simple 3 dimensional reality to which we are used to.

So you is Super-soul (just like a rain drop is part of the rain). I think this is like a fractal idea: the whole within a whole within a whole. So the little you still in small part represents the big you (the Super-soul). So, from this sense, you could perceive yourself as the Super-soul. (So it would be like Jesus saying: me and the father are one). People took that to mean that Jesus meant: I am the Father and the Father is me. So, it would be that I am the Super-soul and the Super-soul is me.

Just like a piece of a fractal is LIKE the whole fractal, only is smaller. (although it's not JUST like that because the Super-soul is much more complex than each fragment of itself (us).

DayLight1555 02-02-2014 06:15 PM

I was wondering if you have heard of this before? I was told that at some point in your development, you develop senses to see the soul (rather than seeing the body). At that point, it becomes irrelevant what you look like physically. Because the beauty that is seen mentally makes the all of you look beautiful no matter what you look like physically.

And so, because of this perhaps, the people of the future, don't go for conventional beauty when it comes to physical looks, but go for efficiency and workability. So they would be very skillful in what they can do, but not beautiful looking from our current point of view. But it doesn't matter since they have the "spiritual" eyes to see the beauty. So ironically, they all seem beautiful to each other while we who probably look better at the moment, are seen as not beautiful to each other. Well, except when we change the way we look, by make up and other stuff.

I love the fact that we won't have to waste time on trying to change our looks everyday because it won't matter and yet, we will still look gorgeous (as far as those around us are concerned).

My medium looked at me one time and said: oh, so that's how they see you. It's interesting to see you through their eyes. You look sooooo beautiful.

And the time factor mentioned in the messages, well, that's confusing, but I guess I'll just have to take it by faith, that time is now (past and present and future is all in the now. Time is not linear but in a vertical line. Others talk about it also. I read about it in the Conversations with God book.

So premonitions or seeing the future could be possible because we link up to our Super-soul's database (which has all the experiences of our selves stored within it). OR maybe because one of our selves actually communicates it to us and basically says: I just did that, and it ended badly. So don't do it.

In some sense, it's like the Super soul wants to experience all there is to experience so it lets its pieces (different versions of us) to make our choices and to live them out to see what would happen. It's like a scientific experiment in one sense: try this and let's see what will happen. Or it's like just "life" from another sense. Life has a tendency to find the best way to live. It's like the pieces are coming together, trying to solve the equation. And when they find the best way, that's when things fall into place and people become "happy". It's like ants who run around trying to solve a complex mathematical equation (in simpler terms: they are trying to find the best route). And they eventually accomplish it. Even though individually ants are not known to be great mathematicians. :smile:

So whatever happens in our life: it's like us running around trying to find the best way to do things. And all life is running around trying to accomplish that. And when it (group as a collective) finds the right way, then the goal is accomplished. Then we could experience what we would call a paradise (the ultimate solution to the equation), the best way to live.

So there is this cycle (Not sure which one or where), but close to the end of the cycle everybody reaches a certain state of things, a very desirable state of things. And then what? Well, then it's time to start over again. People go back to the beginning, their memory gets erased (so to speak) and they start to solve the equation all over again.

It seems silly at first. Why would you stop your paradise and go back into the hell of an existence, to start over? But people play games like that. They would go through all the moves, reach the goal and then put the pieces back again, so they could start the game again.

I heard that each given fragment of the super-soul (aka: a person) lives for such a long time that at the end of the cycle they would have done everything there was to do. And there is nothing else. It's like finishing playing the game. And so how do you get fun to continue? By starting over.

I am not sure if I am right in this conclusion about the end of things and why things start over, but that's the overall impression that I get at the moment.

Being 02-02-2014 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DayLight1555
I am reading the book by Ian Lawton Super-soul and it really does talk about the kinds of things I believe in.


Glad that you are enjoying the book.

In answer to everything you have written - i don't know - & i don't think that anyone really does. It's all different perspectives, theories, models, understandings, experiences etc. Yes, things tie up, a lot of similar things have been said (in different ways). But i don't see any categorical answers.

Very much i feel the physical realms are only a small part of actual/full reality, but while incarnate - all i'm personally sure of is my own being/existence. How everything i've read/studied/discussed will translate in what i experience from now, & after death, is anyone's guess. i'm not sure that any of it is really fathomable/answerable?

Many things make sense from many different perspectives. But to categorically state/pin any of it down - i can't.

Being 04-02-2014 03:13 PM

"I have no judgment about myself and my life. There is nothing I am quite sure about. I have no definite convictions - not about anything, really. I know only that I was born and exist, and it seems that I have been carried along. I exist on the foundation of something I do not know. In spite of all uncertainties, I feel a solidity underlying all existence and a continuity in my mode of being."

- C. G. Jung

Average Joe 09-02-2014 09:46 AM

I've never read the book but isn't it the same thing as "soul families" basically?

Being 09-02-2014 12:29 PM

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I've never read the book but isn't it the same thing as "soul families" basically?


As in your soul group? It's talking really about something different.

i've tried to place the past few books i've read into a context with other stuff. i've read a lot of the past 60 years of research on past life/inter life work. i've read a lot of the NDE/OBE stuff. i've read all kinds. It interests me as to how all of the 'different' areas may combine or link up? It's all obviously talking about spirituality/the spiritual Worlds, but different material does appear, despite some similarities, to also be saying different things, in some cases very different things.

i don't honestly know is the honest answer - i suppose i will when i physically die?

There doesn't appear to be categorical answers to life on the other side of the veil - other than what i'd consider a surety that life continues after physical death.

In relation to Soul Groups/Family - some of those areas may be referring to the 'lower' realms/worlds. To cite Pealer's work - those Worlds below the 5th.

i'm not sure that anyone wholly knows who is in human form, whatever their credentials.

Miss Hepburn 09-02-2014 03:30 PM

So glad you brought this up. Being a Seth reader, this is all very fascinating
to me.
Thank you.
:smile:

Being 10-02-2014 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
So glad you brought this up. Being a Seth reader, this is all very fascinating
to me.
Thank you.
:smile:


Glad you got something from it. i've read a bit of Seth.

i've just read book 2 of Emmanuel's channelled writing. Again got the impression that she may have been channelling some Higher aspect of herself.

Am starting now on some books about a more in depth look at holistic health systems.

JR1981 12-02-2014 06:34 PM

I'm having difficulty embracing the idea of "supersoul" or "oversoul". It, to me, sounds like no one is truly an individual, which makes the concept of LOVE a challenge. I do believe love is the most powerful bond, but it isn't as if I wish to somehow become someone else or everyone else, you know where we all just sort of melt into one another.

Being 13-02-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JR1981
I'm having difficulty embracing the idea of "supersoul" or "oversoul". It, to me, sounds like no one is truly an individual, which makes the concept of LOVE a challenge. I do believe love is the most powerful bond, but it isn't as if I wish to somehow become someone else or everyone else, you know where we all just sort of melt into one another.


He's saying that the Oversoul/Super Soul/Higher Self (whatever you want to call it) - is the Self! That is the point he's making. Agape is the 'supposed' awakened nature - the nature of God, of Reality & Truth. The meaning of life is Love, the meaning of Love is beyond explanation.

But i understand. This is where, i really don't know, & i'm unsure that anyone else does. If you look at the entire field of spirituality & the spiritual traditions, there is no categorical answer to this question.

In the 'supersoul' book 3 very different theories are put forward as to what 'may' be going on.

Look into Buddhism/Hinduism or any of the more Eastern meditation/spiritual systems & the whole field of the Esoteric teachings, & there isn't an agreed upon answer there either.

What does seem intellectually satisfying is the idea that things are both, that the individual exists within Oneness - That the whole exists in the part - the part in the whole.

It is the fundamental question - Who/what is the exact nature of the Self?

On a very practical & grounded basis, we're 'here', we exist & we're here to live a life. Maybe you don't need to know anything other than that?

i liked the Buddha's answer -

When the Buddha started to wander around India shortly after his enlightenment, he encountered several men who recognized him to be a very extraordinary being. They asked him: "Are you a god?" "No," he replied. "Are you a reincarnation of god?" "No," he replied."Are you a wizard, then?" "No." "Well, are you a man?" "No." "So what are you?" They asked, being very perplexed. Buddha simply replied: "I am awake." Buddha means “the awakened one.” How to awaken is all he taught.

JR1981 13-02-2014 09:33 PM

Admittedly, I have not delved into Buddhism enough to even remotely comprehend it, so some of the concepts as I currently understand them are a bit frightening to me (denial of the self, disdain toward the living world, etc.).

Personally, I do not ascribe to the concept of "oversoul" as I believe we are all truly distinct, unique individuals. The idea of somehow becoming *one* through enlightenment is unappealing to me, as I do not see the "self" as being lost when we pass over.

Being 13-02-2014 11:15 PM

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Personally, I do not ascribe to the concept of "oversoul" as I believe we are all truly distinct, unique individuals. The idea of somehow becoming *one* through enlightenment is unappealing to me, as I do not see the "self" as being lost when we pass over.


Your free to think, be, do, believe what you like.

As i say, for me, i don't know.

Black Sheep 14-02-2014 02:29 PM

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He's saying that the Oversoul/Super Soul/Higher Self (whatever you want to call it) - is the Self! That is the point he's making. Agape is the 'supposed' awakened nature - the nature of God, of Reality & Truth. The meaning of life is Love, the meaning of Love is beyond explanation.
I don't quite understand this.

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What does seem intellectually satisfying is the idea that things are both, that the individual exists within Oneness - That the whole exists in the part - the part in the whole.
This makes a lot of sense. It's hard to convey as my terminology is limited, but the individual isn't lost, it's more like enhanced or there's this thing that goes on...like a dual expression for lack of better terms(one and many). I suppose in time, enough individuals will experience such a thing as it become a part of our lexicon and our society will adapt.

But anyway, cool thread, thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic.

Being 15-02-2014 11:49 AM

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I don't quite understand this.


In what sense?

Black Sheep 15-02-2014 03:40 PM

Maybe I highlighted too much, but specifically, although I understand how the higher self is self, I don't understand the relation of agape, or tripped on that word agape relation to the context. But, I never really understood agape conceptually, I've tried to understand what it means but it's just a concept beyond me; I fall to grasp or comprehend. :P

Would it be similar to that feeling of being torn to bits or just physically explode by love on such a profound level?

Otherwise though, from what I've experienced, or understand, is that the foundation of all there is, is love, and not only that, but it is an unfathomable strength and depth.

What do you say?

Being 15-02-2014 11:03 PM

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I don't understand the relation of agape, or tripped on that word agape relation to the context. But, I never really understood agape conceptually, I've tried to understand what it means but it's just a concept beyond me; I fall to grasp or comprehend. :P


Because it's not a concept/something to be grasped. It is a state of Being/Realisation/Awareness.

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What do you say?

i'm not enlightened. i have been studying enlightened teachers for years. All they can do is point to what it is they are experiencing, not explain it in words (& they all very much point to the same 'thing'). The fully enlightened i would think is incredibly few. Someone stated that only one person in the whole of India was fully awake - & Globally it's around 4 people (out of 7 Billion), wouldn't surprise me if that were true.

Black Sheep 16-02-2014 01:43 PM

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Because it's not a concept/something to be grasped. It is a state of Being/Realisation/Awareness.
True. I've just seen it used in a commercial sense or thrown around a bit(like Agape Sales Associates, etc.). I imagine it was more of a proclamation than anything though. I though you might be able to extrapolate your understanding of it though(as it's in the frame I'm more interested in). :D

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i'm not enlightened. i have been studying enlightened teachers for years. All they can do is point to what it is they are experiencing, not explain it in words (& they all very much point to the same 'thing'). The fully enlightened i would think is incredibly few. Someone stated that only one person in the whole of India was fully awake - & Globally it's around 4 people (out of 7 Billion), wouldn't surprise me if that were true.
That's really cool. Oh, I wasn't asking though from a enlightened perspective more a person to person(no offense, I just imagine it's a rare person to meet, and I'm lousy at the lotto :P), but I can see how it's a problem.

Anyway, thanks for you reply, much appreciated. :D

Being 16-02-2014 11:33 PM

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I though you might be able to extrapolate your understanding of it though(as it's in the frame I'm more interested in). :D

I wasn't asking though from a enlightened perspective more a person to person


As per the other posts - i don't know, is the simple answer. i could write reams & reams about all the stuff i've read, talked about, experienced, thought about, & come across. All the different writings, systems, theories, concepts, perspectives & all the rest. Does it all really matter?

Very much i feel that there is far far more to life than meets the eye, that we're in a kind of training, & that there are vast spiritual realms. That we are spiritual Beings having a human experience. i expect that there is some kind of reincarnation path that the Soul takes, until we learn mastery of the physical/incarnated Worlds. i would think that a genuine agape is part of that mastery. To be in a large degree of Self realisation, to be in a high degree of awareness of truth & reality.

From a very grounded & practical perspective & understanding, i don't think all this 'spiritual' business really matters that much. It's more i feel about learning as much as we can, & living as fully as can with the life & circumstances that we have. What comes after is what comes.

My own practise is just a very basic & simple mindfulness/meditation/contemplation, & practising some very basic principles - stuff like surrender, allowance, & trying to be peaceful & kind. i don't think that anything else is really needed - it's just all largely the Monkey mind as some would say.

DayLight1555 05-03-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JR1981
I'm having difficulty embracing the idea of "supersoul" or "oversoul". It, to me, sounds like no one is truly an individual, which makes the concept of LOVE a challenge. I do believe love is the most powerful bond, but it isn't as if I wish to somehow become someone else or everyone else, you know where we all just sort of melt into one another.


I think it has something to do with filters (figuratively speaking). If you are BIG, you could put a filter on you and make you limited. So maybe the Oversoul experiences individuality when it puts a filter on its individual parts (fragments), which are individual humans.

Each individual part is then disconnected from the Overall Self and is experiencing only what it can perceive through the filter.



Imagine that a cell in your body is so complex that is has become self aware, like a person But it's a fat cell. It's only aware of the tiny world that it relates to, the world of fat, the processes of fat, anything that relates to its function. Imagine that you could hear/feel what your cell is thinking and feeling. So this cell is a part of you, and yet it's an individual.

you, as a human, would have a different perspective on life overall because you see much more then your individual cell.

So your Oversoul will feel/hear what you feel/hear. But you, as an individual are only aware of a limited number of things. It's like you're disconnected from your oversoul, you have a filter on. This filter doesn't let everything your Oversoul knows to come through to you.

But how could the cell perceive the world through YOUR eyes (as the overall self)? I don't know. I just know that some people felt like they were much bigger. So there must be a way to be able to perceive the world from the perspective of your Oversoul.

It looks like that you could choose different views/lenses/perspectives. You could see from the perspective of your oversoul and see all, or you could put a filter back on and be or perceive as an individual.


Some people described the feeling that they were a part of all, that they were huge. I am assuming that this means they have linked up to their Oversoul and were able to see the world from Oversoul's perspective.

DayLight1555 06-03-2014 04:06 PM

There is a book (from channelling Seth) called "Oversoul Seven". (by Jane Roberts)

http://www.amazon.com/Oversoul-Seven...oversoul+seven


It's presented in a story format. For example, one of Oversoul Seven's personalities (individual fragment) Lydia is preparing to reincarnate into a baby in such and such time. Oversoul Seven is making preparations. It shows how Lydia and Oversoul Seven relate to each other. It also shows how Lydia relates to her own experiences of other reincarnations and such.

It also shows that a body/baby consciousness and Lydia's consciousness are different things and that Lydia can pop out of the "body" and put herself in other places.

Being 18-03-2014 06:22 PM

A brief summary of some Theosophical ideas -

Our essence is beyond space and time, aware of itself as a part of infinity. I'll call this Spirit

This essence puts a very small part of itself - the soul - into the world of space and time, incarnation, and so develops its consciousness through experiencing duality.
After hundreds or even thousands of incarnations, the soul is ready to merge into its spirit and continue its evolution in worlds beyond our imagination.

The soul itself creates another layer - the personality or ego - which is the vehicle of consciousness for the soul in one particular life time.

In Western culture the soul is strongly encouraged to forget its own identity, and to identify itself solely with its personality. This makes for a cheap, obedient workforce.

Spiritual emergence in this model occurs when identification with the personality/ego is broken, even for only a moment. The personality/ego has to come to terms with the realisation that there is much more to life than it had realised (made real).

Once this limited identification is broken, the ego will desire to return to its old way of life, yet usually has to concede it has a bigger purpose than it wants. Consensual reality no longer works for it, so it must experiment and create a larger map of reality.

Often ego inflation occurs at this stage. The ego has a strong sense of separation, yet has had a glimpse of the immensity of the universal mind. It may then decide it is the messiah or God or a chosen saviour. As a spirit, it is indeed God, however as a soul and ego, it is still evolving to become God incarnate.

A spiritual emergence is a part of the evolutionary process when awareness shifts from ego to soul. With mindfulness, we can observe if our thoughts, emotions and actions arise from our ego - that strong sense of a separate me - or from the soul.

Eventually, the ego has had enough of suffering, and is ready to accept it is a part of a much greater being than it believed itself to be, and to be grateful for that.

William 04-04-2014 08:57 PM

WingMakers Material
 
Hi

WingMakers Material speaks about this concept.

First Source/Prime Creator
Universal Entities
Sovereign Entities
Entities
Individuals

The idea is that at all these together are Source, but the layers/levels are distinguishable depending on position and knowledge.
Each understands itself to be 'individual' and all consist of the 'others' although that knowledge is not readily accessible to the Entity and Individual levels.

Consciousness is the connecting factor.

Most importantly in relation to Source and the individual, consigning incorrect agency to Its nature results in the individual focusing on Entities as 'being Source/God' and in relation to the water metaphor, these Entities essentially act as dams and conduits redirecting the flow of consciousness back into itself and basically playing the role of Source in relation to the individual, effectively cutting Source out.

It is a complex cosmology.

Niebla0007 05-04-2014 06:48 AM

What a coincidence! I was just listening to a song featuring Supersoul this afternoon. Now I'm wondering what this calling is all about, whether it's actually for somebody else.

Being 12-07-2014 06:20 PM

Another little known book in which this was discussed -

Destination oversoul by Ronald Beesley

Being 28-04-2015 09:23 AM

Ian Lawton is bringing out a new book soon - hopefully at the end of this month, called afterlife, which given his credentials as an excellent researcher, should be a very good read.

Being 07-05-2015 10:26 AM

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/04/3...a-mature-soul/

What does it mean that the Soul is mature or immature?

If, during your spiritual Journey, you ask yourself the question: “What do I expect from life?” and you give an honest answer, the quality of that answer contains the response to the question of the Soul’s maturity.

The immature Soul is always full of desires, it has ambitions and objectives it intends to achieve, whether these ambitions are of the lowest order (money, power) or of the most sophisticated ones (religious devotion, spiritual self-implementation). Reaching these goals always requires time, so future is always important for the immature Soul.

If the immature Soul has spiritual objectives, than it may suspect that all important things take place in the Now, here and now, but the Soul still uses the present moment as a springboard to get to its future objectives. A mature Soul is beyond its desires and ambitions bound to shapes and forms. The realization that achieving the goals and ambitions did not bring it real happiness, made it mature. It may have brought temporary satisfaction, but not lasting happiness.

Being 13-05-2015 10:24 PM

I died as a mineral and became a plant;
I died as a plant and rose to animal;
I died as animal and I was a man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as man to soar
With angels blest. But even from an angel
I must pass on: all except God must perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived.

JALALUDDIN RUMI

JohnDoeMay2015 13-05-2015 11:04 PM

Another book, another remarkably similar explanation:

Quote:

“Consciousness is what gives you awareness, Josh. *Consciousness is awareness. *It is the divine spark inside us. *It is your true nature. *Our character's ego tells us that we are really the character and our mind believes it. **This is delusion. *Our ego is the great deceiver.”
“Okay,” I said slowly, trying to follow all of this, “So if this divine spark is me; if my true nature is consciousness, then what is your true nature?”
“Same as yours,” said Daniel. *“All sentient beings have the divine spark of consciousness.”
“Does consciousness have a personality?” I asked.
“Perhaps, but not individually, no.”
My head was swimming, “You're making my brain bleed, Daniel.”
“Well,” he said, with a grin in my direction, “at least it's nothing important.”
I tried to rally for one more go at it, “So if individual pieces of consciousness’s don't have a personality and my true nature is this divine spark of consciousness and your true nature is this divine spark of consciousness and everyone's true nature is a divine spark of consciousness...” I paused to take a breath, “then what you are saying is that we are all the same?”
Daniel took a second before answering, “That is exactly what I'm saying. *Consider it from another perspective; traditional Native Americans believe that everyone has a spirit and they refer to their god as the Great Spirit.” *I sat listening, curious as to where this was going. *“Let's say we looked up at the sky and noticed a bunch of, let's say ten, small clouds. *How many clouds would there be?”
“That's a real question?” I asked after a moment's silence. *Daniel nodded and I really thought this must be a trick question but I bit, “Ten?”
“Outstanding!” Daniel exclaimed sarcastically, “After all that time thinking about it I wasn't sure you'd get it right.” *He continued before I could object. *“Now, what if the wind blows all those little clouds in such a way as they all come together? *How many clouds would you have then?”
“One,” I ventured.
“Outstanding, again!” Daniel cried, “You are getting so much faster at answering these questions! *So what you're saying is that the number of clouds is really dependent upon how many times it's been divided and that no matter how many times it's divided, it remains a cloud.”
“Yeah,” I said a little cautiously because it seemed too obvious.
“That is, in a nutshell, if you ignore the oversimplification, is what the traditional Native Americans understood that modern man has forgotten. *Each of us has a part of the Great Spirit within us and together, we are the Great Spirit. *But we aren't talking together like you and I and your mom and Sensei Li, we're talking our true natures coming together – the divine spark in you and in me and in your mom and in Sensei Li and every sentient being the world over.”

Being 13-05-2015 11:19 PM

My view is both - there is an individuated self & also oneness.

sekuru 27-08-2015 09:54 PM

Have you encountered Tom Campbell who wrote My Big TOE. He writes from personal experience of various trips to other reality planes. He has written his Theory of Everything (TOE) based on interactions with non physical entities and out of Body exploration.

Being 27-08-2015 10:02 PM

Yes, am very familiar with his work.

Being 05-09-2015 10:34 AM

An interesting article on the various spiritual paths -

Which of the Ultimates is Ultimate?

http://www.ahalmaas.com/contemplatio...es-is-ultimate

Being 14-11-2015 02:46 PM

"If you prefer smoke over fire
then get up now and leave.
For I do not intend to perfume
your mind's clothings
with more sooty knowledge.

No, I have something else in mind.
Today I hold a flame in my left hand
and a sword in my right.
There will be no damage control today.

For God is in a mood
to plunder your riches and
fling you nakedly
into such breathtaking poverty
that all that will be left of you
will be a tendency to shine.

So don't just sit around this flame
choking on your mind.
For this is no campfire song
to mindlessly mantra yourself to sleep with.

Jump now into the space
between thoughts
and exit this dream
before I burn the damn place down."

~ Adyashanti


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