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Haha, I think you are getting ahead of yourself. I was sitting back and enjoying the responses until davidsun asked that I elaborate. I am genuinely interested in the views of others, as I have yet to find another that does not align itself with my own view. You are right in that I believe I am correct, and that no words in a forum will (most likely) change my opinion. My belief is not based in intellect, but in direct experience. I believe in what I experienced because it was more real than anything else I have ever experienced. However, what I experienced was infinite, and my thoughts on what I experienced are very finite. The views of others are a great way of building on my thoughts of That Which Is. My goal here was to start a good discussion, and it seems I have succeeded. Quote:
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Yes. My perspective constantly flip-flops between these different, seemingly contradictory views. This reality is both unified and differentiated. This reality is both static and dynamic. This reality is both perfect and imperfect. It's almost vertigo-inducing to be honest. |
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For myself, I have the sense that all is as it should be, and part of that is all the drama of existence, out of which our consciousness evolves. That we evolve is the plan of God. That we fall short is the plan of God. That we choose is the plan of God, thus there is no 'wrong' answer, only more drama prodding us to always further express who we really are. A main sticking point seems to be imagining ourselves separate from the universe. If you think about it, we aren't. I like your point about both sides not being mutually exclusive, because while we are all individuals, we are also all one - one with ALL. . |
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I understand what you are saying, but I believe that you can go beyond that. You say that the Transcendental Will's purpose is to change ignorance to transcendence, but that would imply a beginning and an end. It begins in ignorance, and ends in awakening, and so the story is concluded and nothing else need happen. I don't believe in beginnings and endings. Or rather I should say that I believe in relative beginnings and relative endings, but not absolutes. I believe that every beginning is an end and every end is a beginning. And so I would like to counter your statement. In order for there to be transcendence, there MUST be ignorance. You can't have one without the other. And considering the infinite nature of reality (the reality I experience mind you), it is always balanced and complete. Therefor, in order for ignorance to be destroyed, it must also be created. In order to experience awakening, one must first experience ignorance. And so these two opposites exist alongside each other as Yin and Yang, one never winning out over the other. Within the infinite universe, there is infinite ignorance infinitely transforming into infinite transcendence. I am sort of playing Devil's advocate here, because I do realize that both perfection and imperfection are true. But I truly see imperfection as perfect, as I define the word. Also, you say that the two 'models' are both true, but that one is derivative of and dependent on the other. Why do you think that? I personally believe that both 'models' are equal, and that each is dependent on the other, and neither can exist without the other. I am curious to see what you say. |
When you crush a flower it releases a beautiful scent.
This is said to be what forgiveness is. Perfection! |
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I 'hear' how you 'heard' my post, SOL :). As is true of everyone, you are the one who is in the position to really know yourself the best.
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And you should know that there are many positive and uplifting metal bands out there that inspire people and bring happiness.[/quote] I wouldn't argue against this. My advice wold be to only to those then. But seriously consider the implications of the fact that other may see what some think of as 'positive' and 'uplifting' as being the 'opposite', as in the case the 'reality' WabiSabi references. A case in point, I did a search for "Inspirational heavy metal bands", followed up with this link and copied the following lyrics: "Dying doesn't make this world dead to us Breathing doesn't keep the flame alive in us Dreaming doesn't make time less real for us One life One chance All ephemeral" Not exactly my idea of positive and uplifting, or what's really 'true' for that matter - in one life, one chance case, for instance, the Catholic Church branded the idea of reincarnation to be anathema as part of their campaign to brainwash people to buy into their version of reality and so inculcate complete adherence to their 'message' regarding 'salvation' and 'perdition'. Quote:
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How can I be disappointed when I have given you the very best I am able to give? I fulfilled my heartfelt desire because I chose to and did do that. Your acceptance or rejection of said 'gift' is your business. I long ago learned and embraced the fact that one, in this case I, can't please, let alone help, everyone! As is true of everyone else (said billions included) your spiritual 'fate' is in your hands - and no one else's. :cool: |
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No, I'm not getting ahead of myself and what is quite real is that this thread serves little purpose and there is no discussion, just people saying what they believe and that is not a discussion. Seems like a click and bait header, something millennials think is acceptable and normal. A reality check here, it's not. I won't waste anymore of my time on a futile thread. Members blocked and out. |
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Well if it's not too late, and you haven't blocked me yet, I would like to respond. Why is that wrong? Yes, this thread is inherently selfish. I am utilizing this forum as a tool to share my beliefs and see how others respond to them. My desire is that by doing so I will learn something. I am very aware of that. What I don't see is why that is wrong, or why that makes you so angry. So if you can see this, I would just like to ask why do you feel the way that you do? |
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This post is the most amazing thing I've read today! You're admitting that the original post is selfish and that your motives aren't altruistic. That is beautiful to me. I was just discussing what the world would be like if everyone only worried about themselves and you're waving that flag very high my friend! |
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