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youngnostic 27-09-2017 07:04 AM

Is it possible to not have an ego?
 
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?
Now I know what you might be thinking: I've got blindspots but still have an ego.
But check this: I've been on an introspective spiritual contemplative path of working out my own psychology for the past 14 years. And there have been times, in fact for the majority of that time span, where I was convinced I had an ego and it was blocking me from having fulfilled relationships. I've spent years trying to annihilate my so-called ego and have even gotten to the point where I believed I've succeeded at freeing both my brain's hemispheres of the so-called 'ego' film that leads me to act selfishly or judge the outside phenomena instead of simply witnessing it.
I didn't know where else to go with this question, but as it stands, I currently do not see an 'ego' in me. I've studied neo-advaita which says we have to drop the notion of a personal self or an I and I understood what they were trying to say, that is, I realized my self was an illusion. I've even prior that understood that the word I does not mean self and it felt like my 'I' died. So I've gone through the motions, perhaps excessively to get to the bottom of this ego thing where I did everything I could to make sure I'm not responsible for treating others ****tily and it's not because I have some kind of 'ego' that is my achilles heel. I've gone through the motions of trying to understand self and what I is and realized that after understanding that the 'self' is an illusion that I just have to live and see what unfolds next and what unfolded was the inability to discern a personal 'ego' where I literally walk down the street or have a cigarette and try to think to myself: what is this 'ego' that everyone is talking about and how is it found in me, and realize that I cannot pin point an ego.
Not much is different because we're a product of our environment but I've studied different teachings that all related to the ego and none of them describe me when they describe their epic ego mindsets. I don't fall any category of having an 'ego' based on the various teachings I've encountered. So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...
I know at this point it sounds like I'm trying to boast and say that I'm some how better than someone else. But that's the whole thing: I'm not. The ego never existed. So if you're like me a couple of years ago trying to understand the personal pronoun "I" or battling some invisible 'ego' try to picture yourself in my position: This imaginary 'ego' never existed.

Shivani Devi 27-09-2017 09:00 AM

Greetings.

I'm not sure if it's possible not to have any ego full-time as it were, or to 'lose it' entirely.

It is possible to choose to identify/associate with ego or not, according to circumstance and it's also possible to be a 'master' over it, rather than letting it control/decide our actions.

I have likened it to a player in a ball game, where a conscious choice exists to have the player on the field during the game, or to bench it and allow it to observe the action from the sidelines.

I have found that often, it is needed in the material world for our very survival, but beyond that, it just becomes an indulgence, a luxury.

One could say that in reference to the bliss of Brahman (Satchitananda), everything else about you is ego...I am using my ego to type up this reply to you, as you have done so in also making the opening post, if mind/manas is also equatable with ego.

According to Advaita Vedanta, anything that is 'not this' must be 'that', so anything that is not ego must be Brahman, but saying it, knowing it and directly experiencing it are three different things.

It is possible for me to lose my ego totally, but then I/ego would not be able to type on this forum.

It is also possible to say "Shivoham" or "Aham Brahmasmi" but who/what is saying that? why...it's still the ego, of course. lol

Ego, in the general sense means our notion of self as it relates to everything around us...it is our mind and our feelings working together to a constructive or detrimental purpose and I don't think anybody will ever be free from that totally; maybe if they perform karma yoga and say they are not the 'do-er' or the 'think-er' or the 'type-er', but then what is? It is still the ego, but a much higher aspect of it.

We can say 'neti neti' until we can say that no more, but then what? our ego dissolves in Brahman, our kundalini flies out of our sahasrara chakra and we become lost in bliss...but, even the enlightened sage must come back down into the throat chakra, where the ego resides to interact with whatever is surrounding them at the time.

youngnostic 27-09-2017 09:11 AM

So ego resides in the throat chakra?
I'm simply trying to understand what ego is and how I can identify it in me.
It seems that everyone is running around saying "ego, ego" but no one knows exactly what it is, or has vague understandings of it based on experience and things they heard/read from psychology and spiritual masters.
The problem is, in my current experience, I'm simply unable to pinpoint an ego in me... maybe it's a blind spot on my behalf and I know there would be those who would claim it is, but I'm simply generating a conversation trying to share ideas so we can collectively understand what ego is and if it's possible to not have one. I'm even willing, after a lengthy chat that didn't seem so friendly from those whom I was questioning about the same topic, to put this whole discussion to rest since talks of ego tend to generate negative reactions from others especially when there is someone claiming they don't have one.

youngnostic 27-09-2017 09:26 AM

I guess what I should've reiterated was what I understand 'ego' to mean and most people generally mean when they refer to themselves having an ego: a part of themselves that's not real or illusory i.e. Here's my real self, my egoless self, and here's another box next to it, this ego, that's not me, but is my achilles heel... and I don't see myself as that... I take myself to be a complete person, a human, with natural flaws as part of our evolution on this planet but I don't see those flawed characteristics as being ego, simply being unevolved chemical processes.

Shivani Devi 27-09-2017 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
So ego resides in the throat chakra?
I'm simply trying to understand what ego is and how I can identify it in me.
It seems that everyone is running around saying "ego, ego" but no one knows exactly what it is, or has vague understandings of it based on experience and things they heard/read from psychology and spiritual masters.
The problem is, in my current experience, I'm simply unable to pinpoint an ego in me... maybe it's a blind spot on my behalf and I know there would be those who would claim it is, but I'm simply generating a conversation trying to share ideas so we can collectively understand what ego is and if it's possible to not have one. I'm even willing, after a lengthy chat that didn't seem so friendly from those whom I was questioning about the same topic, to put this whole discussion to rest since talks of ego tend to generate negative reactions from others especially when there is someone claiming they don't have one.

The centre of communication and association (ego) resides in the throat chakra for one who is pure. For one who is not, ego resides in the solar plexus chakra.

If you are going by Advaita Vedanta, your mind is also ego, so to say you have no ego means you have transcended your whole awareness of self (at any aspect of it).

I'm not saying you have an ego or not, as that is something I wouldn't know, however, what is trying to pinpoint an ego in you and cannot find one?

Ego can mean a glorified or aggrandized notion of self, OR acting from the self in relation to everything else...putting it through a perceptual filter of "This is ME and that is THAT...and what I am, interacts with what that is in such a way as to define or delimit what I am in relation to it".

...and you have no idea how difficult it is for me to try and explain all this. :redface:

Some may get to the stage where they have lost the whole ego-centric viewpoint, but it doesn't mean they have totally lost the ego. It means existing outside the awareness, even though the awareness remains.

Losing the ego can be temporary as well, like when one is engaged in a very pleasurable activity and they are not aware they are doing it, but that is very brief...like being lost in the plot of a movie....but when the movie is over, the ego comes back and goes 'did you enjoy that?'

Shivani Devi 27-09-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
I guess what I should've reiterated was what I understand 'ego' to mean and most people generally mean when they refer to themselves having an ego: a part of themselves that's not real or illusory i.e. Here's my real self, my egoless self, and here's another box next to it, this ego, that's not me, but is my achilles heel... and I don't see myself as that... I take myself to be a complete person, a human, with natural flaws as part of our evolution on this planet but I don't see those flawed characteristics as being ego, simply being unevolved chemical processes.

My philosophical brain just kicked into gear.

So, you are saying that which is non-absolute is absolute, because nothing can exist apart from the absolute....i.e. Maya is Brahman?

Of course it is, but Brahman still remains as Brahman irrespective of Maya, so that which is 'not ego' will still exist as being 'not ego' irrespective of ego, even though it is ego. lol

It's sort of like people worshiping God, knowing full well they are God, so what are they worshiping?

When those 'chemical processes' fully evolve, ego will still be ego - but then again, if you have the direct realisation that ego = Brahman, ego won't exist anymore, as that which is 'beyond ego' will simply lose the whole self-association with the concept of an egoic principle, whether you perceive it or not.

Am I going too deep for you?

youngnostic 27-09-2017 09:58 AM

I guess it's a very dubious concept since the ego is not something physical. Giving labels to immaterial things can be tricky, especially this whole 'ego' talk. Spirituality as profound as I believe it can be, and perhaps there are Buddhas out there that can break it into a science despite our inability to sense the immaterial but then again who's to say they're not just advanced Schizophrenics spreading their world view upon others who have not yet tapped into the immaterial for themselves and then subjectively percieved it in a much different way than the socalled Enlightened Buddhas. It's all very relative. I mourn the fact that we're still so far from understanding ourselves and our biggest tool for dealing with that is denial, which is why I came on here to try to understand for myself whether or not the way I view things is absolute... I still hold to the fact that we're all still to ignorant and delve into things beyond our conception for solace and comfort and maybe some who have lived in the past have gotten glimpses of things and called them 'ego' or 'spirit' or w/e but these meanings changed with time since the people themselves have surely changed and like you said, "lost their ego" one time and then gained a heavier veil perhaps. Anyhow, I'm gonna stick around for this thread to consummate but I had a bad experience talking about this in another one, not with you Necro, since I am enjoying your heart warming remarks, but with others and a part of me is afraid this could happen here as well. People simply don't understand your motive for bringing things to the light and question your authenticity and aren't willing to extend the benefit of the doubt and immediately assume where you're coming from and accuse you of doing the same. This hasn't happened here and I am thankful. But it has happened in another place where I even dared to bring up the notion that I might not have an ego but have had my share of experiences of trying to wrap my mind around what ego is and even spent years trying to annihilate my illusory ego and when it came down to it, I never fully understood what ego was, so I'm just giving up at this point and willing to admit that it is simply a lack of understanding on my part, yet I am still eager to learn, somehow, perhaps through some mystical experience of what is actually what, so thanks for participating in this convo Necro, and anyone else who feels to share. Namaskar.

Shivani Devi 27-09-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
I guess it's a very dubious concept since the ego is not something physical. Giving labels to immaterial things can be tricky, especially this whole 'ego' talk. Spirituality as profound as I believe it can be, and perhaps there are Buddhas out there that can break it into a science despite our inability to sense the immaterial but then again who's to say they're not just advanced Schizophrenics spreading their world view upon others who have not yet tapped into the immaterial for themselves and then subjectively percieved it in a much different way than the socalled Enlightened Buddhas. It's all very relative. I mourn the fact that we're still so far from understanding ourselves and our biggest tool for dealing with that is denial, which is why I came on here to try to understand for myself whether or not the way I view things is absolute... I still hold to the fact that we're all still to ignorant and delve into things beyond our conception for solace and comfort and maybe some who have lived in the past have gotten glimpses of things and called them 'ego' or 'spirit' or w/e but these meanings changed with time since the people themselves have surely changed and like you said, "lost their ego" one time and then gained a heavier veil perhaps. Anyhow, I'm gonna stick around for this thread to consummate but I had a bad experience talking about this in another one, not with you Necro, since I am enjoying your heart warming remarks, but with others and a part of me is afraid this could happen here as well. People simply don't understand your motive for bringing things to the light and question your authenticity and aren't willing to extend the benefit of the doubt and immediately assume where you're coming from and accuse you of doing the same. This hasn't happened here and I am thankful. But it has happened in another place where I even dared to bring up the notion that I might not have an ego but have had my share of experiences of trying to wrap my mind around what ego is and even spent years trying to annihilate my illusory ego and when it came down to it, I never fully understood what ego was, so I'm just giving up at this point and willing to admit that it is simply a lack of understanding on my part, yet I am still eager to learn, somehow, perhaps through some mystical experience of what is actually what, so thanks for participating in this convo Necro, and anyone else who feels to share. Namaskar.

Namaskar.

You have seen my whole "Is being yourself, Selfish?' thread and I guess the comments I have made here are on the back of that.

People are questioning my authenticity all the time, but does that really matter in the whole scheme of things?

If one has had that 'mystical experience' it's something that is totally subjective and will have happened despite the whole universe stating to the contrary.

Brahman is also something that never changes, despite everything else changing and Nirvana is Nirvana despite it happening 5,000 years ago or now because time just doesn't exist in that state.

In actual fact, the true test of whether you have had that experience or not, is to be able to just laugh it all off, no matter who says what in regards. They may say you are in 'denial' but only you know that, but then they will say 'one who is in denial wouldn't know because that is what denial IS'.

In the end, the bliss just speaks for itself...and if one is happy, peaceful, content...that's all there is to it.

Still, it takes a while to establish oneself within it, just like when you disconnect the power supply from a fan, the blades will still keep on spinning round and round for a while before they stop.

Then, we are just burning through samskaras and karmas without attachment.

So, others may say I am a 'schizophrenic' or whatever you said, but do they hold an advanced degree in psychiatry? I doubt it.

I'm also still learning and one day, I will just go into meditation and never come back out of it and that will be that.

I also await other replies on your thread and I will hold back and give others the opportunity of replying now...we both may learn something.

youngnostic 27-09-2017 11:08 AM

Going into meditation and not coming back sounds compelling.
You make me more interested in Hinduism.
I wish I could get a taste of it myself, but on my part what I tried to do through the years is cultivate honesty of mind as a naturally born philosopher and having studied the Plato's Cave analogy can only hope to one day be that philosopher who leaves the cave and gets to find out what's what for myself and live a contented life of Understanding reality from both ends. Until that happens I don't see how I can personally know what's anything no matter how inquisitive I become. And having said that I'm gonna go practice some 'neti neti' to see if that leads to anywhere :P

dream jo 27-09-2017 06:29 PM

dnt no.........................................

iamthat 27-09-2017 08:56 PM

Maybe we need to differentiate between ego as personal identity and Ego as individualised awareness.

Ego as personal identity is only real for those who identify with personality - ie they believe that they are the thoughts and feelings centred around a physical body. We can let go of this personal identity and realise that what we had considered as our identity is simply a set of patterns through which we express ourselves.

This is part of self-enquiry. We search for an "I" and we find that the "I" does not exist.

But individualised consciousness remains. This allows us to function within the body, type on this forum, etc etc. But we are aware that it is simply consciousness acting through a physical body.

Even when consciousness can identify with all that is, individual awareness remains. We know ourselves to be limitless Being, but that still expresses itself through an individual body.

Peace.

Kioma 28-09-2017 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iamthat
Maybe we need to differentiate between ego as personal identity and Ego as individualised awareness.

Ego as personal identity is only real for those who identify with personality - ie they believe that they are the thoughts and feelings centred around a physical body. We can let go of this personal identity and realise that what we had considered as our identity is simply a set of patterns through which we express ourselves.

This is part of self-enquiry. We search for an "I" and we find that the "I" does not exist.

But individualised consciousness remains. This allows us to function within the body, type on this forum, etc etc. But we are aware that it is simply consciousness acting through a physical body.

Even when consciousness can identify with all that is, individual awareness remains. We know ourselves to be limitless Being, but that still expresses itself through an individual body.

Peace.

Well said.

If the ego dies, then so do we. However, if the ego takes over, our spirit also fails.

It takes intelligence and awareness to strike the most productive balance. In fact, I'm tempted to say that's the real test.

Lorelyen 28-09-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?
Now I know what you might be thinking: I've got blindspots but still have an ego.
But check this: I've been on an introspective spiritual contemplative path of working out my own psychology for the past 14 years. And there have been times, in fact for the majority of that time span, where I was convinced I had an ego and it was blocking me from having fulfilled relationships. I've spent years trying to annihilate my so-called ego and have even gotten to the point where I believed I've succeeded at freeing both my brain's hemispheres of the so-called 'ego' film that leads me to act selfishly or judge the outside phenomena instead of simply witnessing it.
I didn't know where else to go with this question, but as it stands, I currently do not see an 'ego' in me. I've studied neo-advaita which says we have to drop the notion of a personal self or an I and I understood what they were trying to say, that is, I realized my self was an illusion. I've even prior that understood that the word I does not mean self and it felt like my 'I' died. So I've gone through the motions, perhaps excessively to get to the bottom of this ego thing where I did everything I could to make sure I'm not responsible for treating others ****tily and it's not because I have some kind of 'ego' that is my achilles heel. I've gone through the motions of trying to understand self and what I is and realized that after understanding that the 'self' is an illusion that I just have to live and see what unfolds next and what unfolded was the inability to discern a personal 'ego' where I literally walk down the street or have a cigarette and try to think to myself: what is this 'ego' that everyone is talking about and how is it found in me, and realize that I cannot pin point an ego.
Not much is different because we're a product of our environment but I've studied different teachings that all related to the ego and none of them describe me when they describe their epic ego mindsets. I don't fall any category of having an 'ego' based on the various teachings I've encountered. So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...
I know at this point it sounds like I'm trying to boast and say that I'm some how better than someone else. But that's the whole thing: I'm not. The ego never existed. So if you're like me a couple of years ago trying to understand the personal pronoun "I" or battling some invisible 'ego' try to picture yourself in my position: This imaginary 'ego' never existed.


You must have an ego or you wouldn't have been able to write your post or do anything on the mundane world.

As a gnostic also, I reckon ego to be a social process. The only way I can see to lose one's ego entirely is to reach your true Selfhood, then rise above that.

ajay00 28-09-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...


Do you have any personal belief systems, identify with any nationalistic, religious or racial or ideological identity !

Do you find contentment and bliss being in the moment naturally!


Is there a thought process going on in the mind that you are not aware of !

shivatar 28-09-2017 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?
Now I know what you might be thinking: I've got blindspots but still have an ego.
But check this: I've been on an introspective spiritual contemplative path of working out my own psychology for the past 14 years. And there have been times, in fact for the majority of that time span, where I was convinced I had an ego and it was blocking me from having fulfilled relationships. I've spent years trying to annihilate my so-called ego and have even gotten to the point where I believed I've succeeded at freeing both my brain's hemispheres of the so-called 'ego' film that leads me to act selfishly or judge the outside phenomena instead of simply witnessing it.
I didn't know where else to go with this question, but as it stands, I currently do not see an 'ego' in me. I've studied neo-advaita which says we have to drop the notion of a personal self or an I and I understood what they were trying to say, that is, I realized my self was an illusion. I've even prior that understood that the word I does not mean self and it felt like my 'I' died. So I've gone through the motions, perhaps excessively to get to the bottom of this ego thing where I did everything I could to make sure I'm not responsible for treating others ****tily and it's not because I have some kind of 'ego' that is my achilles heel. I've gone through the motions of trying to understand self and what I is and realized that after understanding that the 'self' is an illusion that I just have to live and see what unfolds next and what unfolded was the inability to discern a personal 'ego' where I literally walk down the street or have a cigarette and try to think to myself: what is this 'ego' that everyone is talking about and how is it found in me, and realize that I cannot pin point an ego.
Not much is different because we're a product of our environment but I've studied different teachings that all related to the ego and none of them describe me when they describe their epic ego mindsets. I don't fall any category of having an 'ego' based on the various teachings I've encountered. So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...
I know at this point it sounds like I'm trying to boast and say that I'm some how better than someone else. But that's the whole thing: I'm not. The ego never existed. So if you're like me a couple of years ago trying to understand the personal pronoun "I" or battling some invisible 'ego' try to picture yourself in my position: This imaginary 'ego' never existed.



You could have a decentralized ego. It's always a possibility. It's probable actually.

Let me know what you think after you've read these articles (i didn't read them, just googled them for you. be sure to summarize what you read so I can avoid reading it too lol)

https://meader.org/2016/04/the-decentralized-self/

http://davidya.ca/2008/06/01/the-decentralized-ego/

shivatar 28-09-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
So ego resides in the throat chakra?
I'm simply trying to understand what ego is and how I can identify it in me.
It seems that everyone is running around saying "ego, ego" but no one knows exactly what it is, or has vague understandings of it based on experience and things they heard/read from psychology and spiritual masters.
The problem is, in my current experience, I'm simply unable to pinpoint an ego in me... maybe it's a blind spot on my behalf and I know there would be those who would claim it is, but I'm simply generating a conversation trying to share ideas so we can collectively understand what ego is and if it's possible to not have one. I'm even willing, after a lengthy chat that didn't seem so friendly from those whom I was questioning about the same topic, to put this whole discussion to rest since talks of ego tend to generate negative reactions from others especially when there is someone claiming they don't have one.


The ego is the thing you identify as. It's the easiest thing in the world to identify, it's what you consider to be yourself.

It's not that nobody has a definition. It's that there are many definitions for the same word. Some use ego in the fruedian sense, some use ego in the eastern mysticism sense. Etc. the list goes on.

Bubbles 28-09-2017 10:29 PM

you will know what ego is when you will experience temporarily ego death... but to achieve that, well, i'm not allowed to discuss on this forum.

youngnostic 29-09-2017 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shivatar
The ego is the thing you identify as. It's the easiest thing in the world to identify, it's what you consider to be yourself.

It's not that nobody has a definition. It's that there are many definitions for the same word. Some use ego in the fruedian sense, some use ego in the eastern mysticism sense. Etc. the list goes on.


I used to think I had an ego and I labled it as "a part of yourself you consider to be unreal/illusive" or a part of yourself that's not really you.

I no longer see myself that way so naturally it seems I don't have an ego.

I identify as Nothingness or Consciousness/Awareness which is nil.
I've been identifying as that before I actually looked within to search for an ego and couldn't find one. It's not that it went away, it's that I never had an ego during this embodiment.

EDIT: and that which I thought was an ego in the past was actually a part of my true self just misconstrued.

EDIT #2: I'm aware that advaita and neo-advaita challenges the notion of self, and that we are everything and nothing, I get all that on a mental level... when I use the word 'self' I mean in a dualistic sense, such as when an 'ego' exists.

Snow Goose 29-09-2017 06:39 AM

The ego has been made into some kind of dirty word with new age thinking, if you read the definition below you may come to realise that there is nothing wrong with what some might call ego. Some might even see it as some kind of psychological protection.

In my view I don't really think it's wise to say you don't have something as you may find your subconscious comes back around and shows you squarely that you do have this 'thing' that you chose not to identify with.

Ego defintion:

a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
"he needed a boost to his ego"
synonyms: self-esteem, self-importance, self-worth, self-respect, self-conceit, self-image, self-confidence; amour propre
PSYCHOANALYSIS
the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.
PHILOSOPHY
(in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject

Greenslade 29-09-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
I no longer see myself that way so naturally it seems I don't have an ego.

A blind eye is just a blind eye, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by youngnostic
EDIT: and that which I thought was an ego in the past was actually a part of my true self just misconstrued.

Kind of. To keep it as simple as possible, Life gives us the test then gives us the lesson - retrospect is where we can sit down and take a different perspective. You can't evolve if there is nothing to evolve from - that part of yourself you didn't particularly like gave you something to evolve from. Evolving, though, is a process. If that part of you wasn't really you then who was it? And I'm really biting my tongue to not come out with a Billy Connolly joke here. If a part of you sees another part of you as not you, what then? Are you a collection of parts that don't like each other?

Spirituality has a penchant for redefinition and 'ego' has fallen prey to that - perhaps there's something egoic in redefining the ego to fit in with personal beliefs. When you think about it, ego death - which is much-vaunted Spiritually - is egoic in itself.

Spirituality will tell you that your thoughts are as real as you yourself are, so when you have thoughts of an ego doesn't that make it real?

As yourself one question - "What are my reasons for being Spiritual?" Not simply "Why?" but specifically "What are the reasons?" When you find those reasons check them against Snow Goose's list, there you will find your ego. The list of ego definitions is extensive but my favourite is Freud's; it is a sense of I am. "I am Spiritual."

Bubbles 29-09-2017 10:30 AM

I listened to a podcast some time ago... it was explained that is quite impossible to get rid of the ego... imagine a spiritual guru, with all his wise teachings and enlightenment etc... he won't have the ego of an ordinary man, but his new ego will be one that people follow him, that he is 'the guru'... you can see when a guru has a discomfort when someone i contesting him... that's when you can observe his ego...

in my opinion, ego just changes... kind of a paradox to get rid of it. it's like protecting the core of who you really are and who you want to be.

Gemcrusader 30-09-2017 06:17 PM

^^ exactly

As long as ur on earth its not possible.

One can be perceived as enlightened AF

BUT ONLY IN TRUE TESTS THE TRUE CHARACTER IS REVEALED.

Everyone can be enlightened in untested conditions.

Moonglow 30-09-2017 08:04 PM

Hello,

The way I am getting what "ego" is pointing at is as follows.

There is a perceived view that one may have of oneself.
Created by what has been told and the way the mind has been conditioned to view oneself.
This affects how one may view the world, because the perception of what is happening gets filtered through what is thought to be.
This creates a blurred vision and perspective with in oneself.
The filtering system, I relate to as what may be termed "ego". Meaning one perceives it the way one thinks it to be.

So, through this it may block one from sensing, feeling, and experiencing it just being as it is happening.

Is it wrong or right? To me, no. For it is part of the way I grow and develop.
Recognizing the self made ways of looking at things and widening my view to see other ways as well.

But, there is a twist to this. Some may say that the "self" is just a creation of the individual perceptions and these create an identity of the self. Through working through these perception one may realize there is no self in its essence. Drop the perceptions, drop the "self"identity.

This is not to say the individual does not exist, but now the individual realizes being of it all. The "ego" no longer holds the power and no longer filters out through holding a self identity (self made perceptions) and open to that which is created as it happens and being. Letting it come and go.

A bit long winded here, but it is how I understand the philosophy behind the
"Ego" thing.

In this can see it is not so much about destroying as it about transforming.

Wel, this is my understanding at this time.

Moonglow 30-09-2017 08:10 PM

doble post.........

Miss Hepburn 30-09-2017 10:55 PM

Someone in this group may like this...
From "The Direct Means to Eternal Bliss", Michael Langford

'The ego is the idea of a separate, individual identity.
The ego identifies with the body and with thought, and calls the body and thought "I".
The ego is the "I thought". I am happy. I did this.
The ego is the cause of all human sorrow and suffering.''


He goes on and on...

Greenslade 01-10-2017 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Someone in this group may like this...
From "The Direct Means to Eternal Bliss", Michael Langford

'The ego is the idea of a separate, individual identity.
The ego identifies with the body and with thought, and calls the body and thought "I".
The ego is the "I thought". I am happy. I did this.
The ego is the cause of all human sorrow and suffering.''


He goes on and on...

Thank you, that'll do nicely.

Jyotir 03-10-2017 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngnostic
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?
Now I know what you might be thinking: I've got blindspots but still have an ego.
But check this: I've been on an introspective spiritual contemplative path of working out my own psychology for the past 14 years. And there have been times, in fact for the majority of that time span, where I was convinced I had an ego and it was blocking me from having fulfilled relationships. I've spent years trying to annihilate my so-called ego and have even gotten to the point where I believed I've succeeded at freeing both my brain's hemispheres of the so-called 'ego' film that leads me to act selfishly or judge the outside phenomena instead of simply witnessing it.
I didn't know where else to go with this question, but as it stands, I currently do not see an 'ego' in me. I've studied neo-advaita which says we have to drop the notion of a personal self or an I and I understood what they were trying to say, that is, I realized my self was an illusion. I've even prior that understood that the word I does not mean self and it felt like my 'I' died. So I've gone through the motions, perhaps excessively to get to the bottom of this ego thing where I did everything I could to make sure I'm not responsible for treating others ****tily and it's not because I have some kind of 'ego' that is my achilles heel. I've gone through the motions of trying to understand self and what I is and realized that after understanding that the 'self' is an illusion that I just have to live and see what unfolds next and what unfolded was the inability to discern a personal 'ego' where I literally walk down the street or have a cigarette and try to think to myself: what is this 'ego' that everyone is talking about and how is it found in me, and realize that I cannot pin point an ego.
Not much is different because we're a product of our environment but I've studied different teachings that all related to the ego and none of them describe me when they describe their epic ego mindsets. I don't fall any category of having an 'ego' based on the various teachings I 've encountered. So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...
I know at this point it sounds like I 'm trying to boast and say that I'm some how better than someone else. But that's the whole thing: I'm not. The ego never existed. So if you're like me a couple of years ago trying to understand the personal pronoun "I" or battling some invisible 'ego' try to picture yourself in my position: This imaginary 'ego' never existed.

...Say what?

Bubbles 03-10-2017 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jyotir
...Say what?


LOLOLOLO :laughing11:

Imzadi 03-10-2017 05:06 PM

"Is it possible to not have an ego?"

Who is asking the question? Is it an ego or some other thing? If it is some other thing, what is it? :)

lemex 03-10-2017 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imzadi
"Is it possible to not have an ego?"



The ego is made up many layers. So it is always in you. Without it, you would not be you. But as a practical person, I don't mind the questioning that has gone on through the ages on about this. There is good and bad the ego can choose to do. I'd only ask until the answer is found that satisfies, do good, not bad. In fact doing so may even help provide an answer.

blossomingtree 03-10-2017 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngnostic
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?
Now I know what you might be thinking: I've got blindspots but still have an ego.
But check this: I've been on an introspective spiritual contemplative path of working out my own psychology for the past 14 years. And there have been times, in fact for the majority of that time span, where I was convinced I had an ego and it was blocking me from having fulfilled relationships. I've spent years trying to annihilate my so-called ego and have even gotten to the point where I believed I've succeeded at freeing both my brain's hemispheres of the so-called 'ego' film that leads me to act selfishly or judge the outside phenomena instead of simply witnessing it.
I didn't know where else to go with this question, but as it stands, I currently do not see an 'ego' in me. I've studied neo-advaita which says we have to drop the notion of a personal self or an I and I understood what they were trying to say, that is, I realized my self was an illusion. I've even prior that understood that the word I does not mean self and it felt like my 'I' died. So I've gone through the motions, perhaps excessively to get to the bottom of this ego thing where I did everything I could to make sure I'm not responsible for treating others ****tily and it's not because I have some kind of 'ego' that is my achilles heel. I've gone through the motions of trying to understand self and what I is and realized that after understanding that the 'self' is an illusion that I just have to live and see what unfolds next and what unfolded was the inability to discern a personal 'ego' where I literally walk down the street or have a cigarette and try to think to myself: what is this 'ego' that everyone is talking about and how is it found in me, and realize that I cannot pin point an ego.
Not much is different because we're a product of our environment but I've studied different teachings that all related to the ego and none of them describe me when they describe their epic ego mindsets. I don't fall any category of having an 'ego' based on the various teachings I've encountered. So please enlighten me on why it's not possible to not have an 'ego' and what characteristics this ego has so that I can tell you if I find them in me...
I know at this point it sounds like I'm trying to boast and say that I'm some how better than someone else. But that's the whole thing: I'm not. The ego never existed. So if you're like me a couple of years ago trying to understand the personal pronoun "I" or battling some invisible 'ego' try to picture yourself in my position: This imaginary 'ego' never existed.


This is a good example of why a genuinely seasoned and "realized" teacher is invaluable to an aspiring student/follower/seeker.

The "traps" of ego are, in many ways, viable and seemingly 'logical'.

My 2 cents.

:smile:

Psychictiff 04-10-2017 09:41 PM

i think that in part that you're asking the question (looking for validation) shows that there is still an ego at play. Not judging that, just an observation. Regardless, I wish you well/luck on your journey!!

markings 05-10-2017 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngnostic
the reason why I ask is because I don't have anything in me that I can identify as an 'ego' which leads me to question: what if I don't have an ego?

It is not a question of having or not having an ego but of what kind of ego one has. There are 2 kinds of ego or self, psychological and physical. They also operate in different modes, identification and functional. Which mode dominates?

It is possible to have no psychological ego, and that is the aim of all spiritual practices, modern or traditional.

It is not possible to have no functional ego as this is tied up with the living body. As long as we are alive we will have a functional ego and there is nothing wrong with this at all. It simply locates something, body and activity, in space and time.

boshy b. good 13-11-2017 09:40 AM

The ego begans by questioning, after all, it's a top of the head case. So we
don't get starred questioning - 'might' very be fine about the boosts up from us


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