Quote:
That's why I say that "honest scientists" will present the facts as they find them, even if it goes against the grain of what they formerly believed. But strangely, there are a number of men and women in the scientific field that make it their life work to debunk anything that points to Spirit and Intelligence.. I'm not sure why anyone would be so dead set against a higher power and a spiritual reality, but some are. And some of them are constantly stepping into the limelight with half truths and half researched information and hitting the public over the head with these spurious "evolutionary facts," when there is a plethora of actual data that proves their position to be unfounded. Yet many gobble down those unfounded facts and believe it to be the gospel truth. It is an interesting mind that would rather believe it is a walking, evolutionary accident with no spiritual reality; rather than to believe it is more than flesh and blood and see the wonder in the universe around them. Why do you think some folks think in this way Kev? |
Kepler - thank you for the comments. And although - honestly - it can be a bit irritating to have to argue the "whys" of why I believe something to anyone, I think there is much merit in it, as it ensures that people like me who do have a scientific mind and some skepticism but also believe in a higher power don't go believing in anything that comes along because it sounds cool.
I find the fact that you are here though, in a spiritual forum, seemingly arguing against the idea of an intelligent designer somewhat intriguing. Are you here to simply try to debunk that belief? And if so, why would you want to contribute to a forum whose very name implies belief in something non-material? Or could it be that you are here because you are hoping that someone can convince you, with the backing of science, that there is such a power/force/spirit/god? Just curious : ) Many Blessings all, QuanKev |
Quote:
In my expereince you will either spend your life making up what that something is that is behind all this or you will simply participate....:smile: James |
Quote:
I think they have the false belief that science and spirituality simply cannot coexist - that staunch belief in one precludes and real faith in the other. Of course most of the great scientists and physicists knew this wasn't true, as even Einstein (yes, another Einstein quote - he was cool! And kinda' smart) said : "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" My hope is that one day, this seeming false dichotomy will slip away for good so that we as a species can truly evolve into something more than we are. It is evident, to me at least, that a lack of belief in something more, something greater, will only lead us further down the path of self destruction. I would add that science without spirituality, and based on materialistic beliefs only, is a poison that disguises itself as "progress".... Many Blessings All, QuanKev |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I'm on these forums because there is a great mix of different members with different views. This means the conversations always get interesting. |
Quote:
So perhaps a good question is this : is there any argument for an intelligent designer that you see as valid? It seems to me that, since there is no way to definitively prove it one way or another, the true materialist will always be able to poke holes in the logic of anyone's assertion that there just might be one, right? This is an ongoing argument between those of us who believe, and those who don't. And the fact is, there is no 'making' someone believe. If you choose not to believe, that's completely acceptable to me. But after 20+ years of "arguing" the case, I have grown tired, as it seems nothing less than the concrete manifestation of a higher 'being' standing in front of someone and literally creating something living out of thin air could make a believer out of someone who refuses to believe. And even then, I'm certain the diehard skeptic could find some scientific explanation for what just happened, reducing it all to trickery. I like what Mind's Eye said, and I agree with it. I simply choose to believe that there is something more to life than we are currently capable of perceiving directly, something unprovable, and nothing anyone says can change my belief. Just as nothing anyone can say can make you change yours. But I will argue no more my friend. I enjoy the banter, but arguing points is so tiresome - life is too short. When someone can explain to me how 2 particles that are related through quantum entanglement can 'communicate' their state to each other in such a manner that it happens instantaneously over any distance, defying the "cosmic speed limit" of the speed of light using the current laws of physics - well, THEN I will be impressed! : ) Many Blessings All, QuanKev |
Thanks for the reply, QuantumKev.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I've enjoyed the discussion thanks. :hug3: |
The tornado and the junk yard
A famous scientist said the following about reductionist chemical scenarios for the origins of life:
It's analogous to a tornado sweeping into a junk yard and creating a 747 aircraft by its passage. See the chapter entitled "Primordial Soup" in my book "The First Principles: A Scientist's Guide to the Spiritual". See more information about it at: www.seekerscientist.com Read it free at: www.scribd.com |
Quote:
|
I have been entertaining the comparison between human genetic evolution and how we progress through our individual lives.
Take this picture for example. You can see the spiraling shape, with a straight line of smaller balls in the middle. I consider this will or "the God line", our hardest line of defense to crack and our last in that line. To build this will "straight" the activity around it has to support its direction in comfort. The two sides being mind and body, promoting growth (evolution). The reason the two would spiral around "will" is our natural cycles to fulfill our wills desires. The mind in thoughts, and the body in actions. We think and look at things to make us happy, this is the main focus during the event until satisfaction is met. The body has needs as well though, and eventualy will need tending. The focus then shifts to the other but not forgeting the first (memory of the thoughts). Do this till the day you die and you got an average life, building from what it and others have left behind. |
All times are GMT. The time now is 01:35 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) Spiritual Forums