How do the dead observe us??
 

Accepting the premise of the afterlife then, how do those on the other side actually observe us??

is there like a portal that they have to visit or do they use some sort of technology?

I read that they have an objective reality akin to ours so how does it work??

In his book, "If You Were God", Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan includes a short dissertation on "Immortality and the Soul". Section III specifically elaborates on the Talmudic consensus on "What the Dead Think of Us". It is quite consistent with what other mystical traditions have to say on this very important question that you have raised in your post. It is also consistent with my own near-death-experience as well as various aspects of the documented NDEs of others.

Unfortunately, I am new here and don't have the privilege to post links yet. However, you can easily find Kaplan's discourses online and they clearly address the point that interests you in a very concise, understandable manner.

They interact with and influence the surrounding energies in our physical world.

They don't observe us using 'eyes', but they can detect changes within electromagnetic energies and biological energies to tell what we are thinking or doing at any given point in time.

I've done experiments using RF modulations to get them to identify playing cards, words written on paper and common household objects, and I figure that if this was really my mind playing tricks on me, it's still amazing how unspoken thought can be made audible through an electronic device.

They tell me they are in the same room with me and can hear/see me, but some of them are at a distance far away, yet they can still see/hear me.

There are also 'portals' and also 'technologies' but they are way out of my field to try and understand what they do or how they work and believe me, I have tried. I have spent the past two years of my life trying...but yesterday I made the executive decision to 'give up trying' because I'm never going to get it, no matter how much zero point energy is involved.

They are on a plane that's close to this one and from what I gather, it's pretty cold, dull, lifeless and boring and that's why they like interacting with the living.

As to what the dead think of the living, that's just as varied as to what the living think of the dead.

Some view us with love, some with jealousy and regret (because they miss life), some with scorn (because we make silly mistakes), some with protection and guidance and some of them don't even believe we exist at all.

We are all living. They are just no longer in physical. They are non-physical. Another good book to read is Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. It explains a lot, at least it did for me.

For a medium to connect to spirt they raise their vibration and spirit lower theres so they meet in the middle,spirit observe us in the same way its vibration the meeting of energies some call it.some people think that spirit watch us every minute of the day and watch everything one does,this is not so.they have to respect our privacy,they can guide us and protect us but cannot interfere in our lives

Namaste

I do have a direct point of view about my father-in-law after his death. I and my eldest son sat near the coffin, we talked about remembrance of our ancestors that we never know. It pop up a question: will they know our existence as we don't know them either. And few hundred years later our descendants will be the same as we are not realized our ancestors.

One of my brother -in-law came near and my father-in-law muttered that he dislike this son. And he liked to listen me and my son talking.

And when we did group prayer for his departure, I saw his spirit sat up from his body and praying with us.

His only request from me is to let him staying in my paradise. The same as my uncle request for.... And both I rejected their quest because I only let my cupid family to stay inside, "human" may make the situation there more hard to control.

But I let my fathet-in-law to stay in the heaven with the purely-form-gods whose are my friends. Purely-form-gods are gods that I tranform them to become good gods.

What Necromancer said!

Watch A Matter Of Life And Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t3Xv70vkY8

I think a lot deponds on the beliefs and mind set of the ghost . I think most know there dead and leave the earth plane . A few chose to stay hear .

Hi Metal
They don't actually observe us. They connect with us it's an energy thing. it's an inter-relation thing, we have a connection so I can speak to you. As a medium I was told by my friend who has passed that they see us as energy and we all have an energy signature.

We're not talking about trapped spirits are we? Because this is different.

Best Akira
:hug3:

Just reading the thread title the first thought/answer that came to mind was "Reluctantly"....

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On a more serious note... I don't think anyone has to worry about 'peeping-Tom' behavior from the Souls/Spirits of loved ones who have passed on...

If the dead are angels they can probably observe our every move and offer us help at times and intervention when approved by god

Dead people or spirits are just are thought away from us. As soon as we start thinking about them they are there and they can hear. The rest of the times they are out there busy with whatever they do in the afterlife which may included watching over us

any time I've seen my passed on loved ones is in dreams.
I love my dream visits, but I'm usually the one who talks and they just lend comfort.
I got scared a little when my Dad stopped by, and I wish he would visit again. He's given me messages thru a friend that I no longer speak to so that avenue is closed.
but for me dreams are where I see them. dimes are my sign they are thinking of me. I find dimes everywhere... it's amazing.

Some questions out from The Spirits` Book from Alan Kardec to clarify this subject:

Primitive and Normal World

84. Do spirits constitute a world apart from that which we see?
"Yes; the world of spirits or incorporeal intelligences."
85. Which of the two, the spirit-world or the corporeal world, is the principal one in the
order of the universe?
"The spirit-world. It is pre-existent to, and survives, every-thing else."
86. Might the corporeal world never have existed, or cease to exist, without changing the essentiality of the spirit-world?
"Yes; they are independent of each other, and yet their correlation is incessant, for they react incessantly upon each other."
87. Do spirits occupy a determinate and circumscribed region in space?
"Spirits are everywhere; the infinitudes of space are peopled with them in infinite numbers.
Unperceived by you, they are incessantly beside you, observing and acting upon you; for spirits are one of the powers of Nature, and are the instruments employed by God for the accomplishment of His providential designs. But all spirits do not go everywhere; there are regions of which the entrance is interdicted to those who are less advanced."

Penetration of Our Thoughts By Spirits
456. Do spirits see everything that we do?
"They can do so if they choose, since they are incessantly around you. But, practically, each spirit sees only those things to which he directs his attention; for he pays no heed to those which do not interest him."
457. Can spirits see our most secret thoughts?
"They often see what you would fain hide from yourselves; neither acts nor thoughts can be hidden from them."
- It would appear, then, to be more easy to hide a thing from a person while living than to hide it from that same person after his death?
"Certainly; and when you fancy yourselves to be hidden from every eye, you have often a crowd of spirits around you, and watching you."
458. What is thought of us by the spirits who are about us, and observing us?
"That depends on the quality of the spirits themselves. Frivolous spirits enjoy the little
annoyances they cause you, and laugh at your fits of impatience. Graver spirits pity your imperfections, and endeavour to aid you to cure yourselves of them."

Occult Influence of Spirits on Our Thoughts and Actions.

459. Do spirits influence our thoughts and our actions?
"Their influence upon them is greater than you suppose, for it is very often they who direct both."
460. Have we some thoughts that originate with ourselves, and others that are suggested to us?
"Your soul is a spirit who thinks. You must have observed that many thoughts, and frequently very opposite ones, come into your mind reference to the same subject, an(l at the same time.
In such cases, some of them are your own, and some are ours. This is the cause of your
uncertainties, because you have thus in your mind two ideas that are opposed to each other."
461. How can we distinguish between the thoughts which are our own and those which are suggested to us?
"When a thought is suggested, it is like a voice speaking to you. Your own thoughts are
generally those which first occur to you. In point of fact, this distinction is not of much
practical importance for you, and it is often better for you not to be able to make it. Man's action is thus left in greater freedom. If he decides for the right road, he does so more spontaneously; if he takes the wrong one, he is more distinctly responsible for his mistake."

You can download free in the internet at:

3w.ssbaltimore.org/PDF/Spirits.pdf

Good reading!

Hi Metal! The dead can check in on us by visiting the earthbound realm, which is the spiritual realm that surrounds the earth. According to the afterlife literature, those in the Summerland can travel to the earthbound realm on foot or by thought, although the newly dead are sometimes unable to do so until they have regained their spiritual strength. Our loved ones also visit the earthbound realm in order to communicate through mediums.

Those in the afterlife are usually able to perceive our thoughts if we consciously send them out. However, it seems that they can hear us more clearly when we speak to them out loud. It is as though we trigger some sort of alert in our dead loved ones' minds when we talk to them audibly.

The majority of the newly dead reside in the Summerland, which is a physical reality--in fact, they say that it is more real and tangible than the earth world is! A great, easy-to-read introduction to death and the afterlife is The Fun of Dying, by Roberta Grimes, who is a good friend of mine and a remarkable human being. I highly recommend the book if you are interested in learning the basics about the place that the dead call home!

They just are
 

I am not psychic but, my late wife and a few others over there seem to just be here - like in a very close but different space/dimension/region/state or whatever word fits. I sometimes feel my late wife, hear her, have "hunches" and ideas that I know didn't come from my own mind but they seem able to come and go in a very mysterious and often comical way at will. When I go shopping, my late wife subtly reminds me of things I ordinarily don't think of - like chocolate ice cream or one of her favorite treats. I don't even bother to argue with her - I just get it! But none of them are ever offensive, intrusive or pests. They definitely enjoy stuff I eat or do and seem to be here just for the heck of it - no plans, agenda or goals - just for fun! They seem to understand everything and enjoy our earthly dramas without judgment or sorrow. They are remarkably happy and quite humorous. They seem to "observe" us with interest, empathy and can even help us when possible.
Beyond that, I have no idea what the Afterlife is like other than that it's TERRIFIC and PLEASANT. :hug3:

The Afterlife Forum
 

To: Andrew Cannata
Hi Andrew! Long time........ :smile:
I agree - and so are you, Andrew. :hug3:

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. They are non-physical but i think in some conditions they can observe us through energies and waves but not for every one.

Spirits view us from peace & love ...
They no longer experience the emotions humans do ...
In regard to a reply on page 1, there is a difference between a ghost & a spirit ...
A spirit has passed through the light - entered into the Pearly Gates/Astral Plane ...
A ghost is earth bound, they continue to be attached w/out a body & Divine intervention -they can be either good or bad ...
People are scarier than evil ghosts, humans are whom we are in contact w/on a daily basis - you never know what they're up to ...

A lot of this depends on the mind set of the person.

There is nothing After Death but Death itself
 

Guys I really hate to break it too, but there is no after life.. Read your bible, infact if I knew I wouldn't get in trouble on here, I'd post this guys video, where he mentions the right scriptures to read.. After Death, there is nothing, We go no where but to our eternal ever lasting sleep.. Only once Jesus returns as promised the 2nd coming, then & only then will he raise those who have died from there eternal sleep, then we will all be judged then & that's when we will learn our fate. That's when those who are going to Heaven will go to Heaven & those going to Hell will Die the 2nd & Final Death & will Burn up in Hell not live in Hell for all eternity but burn up in Hell & will be destroyed once in for all..

But until the 2nd coming, No one but God & Jesus is in Heaven. When we die, we go to Death our Eternal Sleep that no one will ever awake from ever again except for Jesus who is the only one who has the power to Destroy Death & raise those who have died from there eternal Sleep... There is no in between after Death.. You sleep a eternal sleep while you await the 2nd coming of Jesus..


After the 2nd coming of Jesus, then all the Saints & everyone else who had been promised Heaven & then the rest of us who will make it there to Heaven will all go then & only then to Heaven.. Not any sooner.. The guy on video even makes mention of this.. I'll give you his name so you can look it up if you so desire to watch it but only watch the video for his words not his advertisement please, that's what got me in trouble on the other forum cause I linked the site where it said I was advertising.. I wasn't advertising, he was, I just had wanted to use it for his words.. Title of it is What happens when you die.. Its under restoredCOG so you know your watching the right one.. He'll go over all the bible verses that cover this.. It should match everything I basically said here..

So this disputes hopefully all those sayings that there is life immediately after death or that you go to Heaven or Hell after you die is total non sense & a lie.. Bible said so itself..

Hope this helps a bit..

All I can say is that my late wife comes in a non-physical, invisible way that I either feel, sense or telepathically see/hear. It's very difficult to describe the many ways she come and is usually visible in some form in my dreams. As to how she does it, I have no clue other than to believe or know that she has abilities and powers in the other realm that are simply not available in the physical realm. Since she is no longer confined to a body, she an be anywhere, anytime and instantly. Her "world" seems nearly unlimited compared to ours.

Only thing I've notice in a lot of stories and not sure why is that when people are visited by deceased relatives or angels maybe they always appear in a corner of the room, never usually beside them, above them but always in the corner...not sure why.

It might be value to go deeper into the premise of the afterlife, and see if we can resolve the desire to know what happens.