Hi my experience is that the souls in incarnated form seems to exist
out of 3 parts that are distinctly different , The male side uses language and more the female side differs again the High self that has again very different properties and could seen as not incarnated . now to separate an Ego from one of these and place values on that you claim to be negative in certain ways is a thing you can do and make real though it seems to me the goal to unite them and be one is also there I see this tread is perhaps more about having a discussion But why not post some thing in it :-) |
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Going back to the original post if I may. The Stronger the sense of I, the less efficacious these pointers are, the doer, the observer, the ego, etc.etc. I mean they don't point to anything except to contradiction and to their Linguistic corollaries or binaries...Doer-observer etc. Just a thought I had in response to the original post. Another thought i had was how disbelieving we are that we can imagine ourselves out of this dream. No that's cheating isn't it ? How can you imagine yourself out of anything ? But it seems that we are not able to handle that power and yet it is the simplest of things, to be able to recreate your freedom? But that is too easy, too simple, we want complication especially in terms of language etc. if its not complicated then how could it be true ? This type of thinking is going on too with us humans ? Goes without saying that complication is a marvelous thing too, looking inside a car engine or computer or whatever is an awesome experience. So complexity is not a bad thing. hmmm food for thought. lol |
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I think the strength of one's own sense of I AM does reflect on everything else . The important aspect in my eyes is that the sense of oneself is key no matter how strong that sense is or not ... We could say that there are those that have a sense of themselves hanging by a thread and are in touching distance of transcending beyond themselves . Either way this doesn't nullify that this sense relates to what you are that is present as the doer . The funny thing is that this same sense of oneself that thinks they are not the doer are having the thoughts of not being the doer . This is what I was trying to understand and converse with starman about . If you are not the doer, one cannot be the thinker of that . The doer is the thinker and is the observer . One can't prise apart one from the other . Tis the same self that does, thinks and observes . x daz x |
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When I wrote about physical relationships, I was pretty much wasted on weed and whiskey, so I doubt I was controlling my ego very well under those circumstances...However, I am back to "normal" now...and that means those things won't even be thought about, let alone mentioned...get it? So, what do you hope to achieve by trying to convince others there is a "doer"? For them to say "God blimey, you are RIGHT and I fully agree with you"...then go off SF and say to themselves "I hope he is happy hearing what he wanted to, because I still have my own personal truth" and yet, if we agree to disagree and say no more about it, we are "avoiding the issue". However, you can see that I HAVE made those threads you have ridiculed me for NOT making, but since they are in a forum that you do not wish to visit, that doesn't count...to YOU. I can lead any member of this forum into Samadhi if they are OPEN to it...but I am still trying to find such a candidate. |
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Yes, this is the same part that wants sex, whiskey and gets angry .. None of these actions / desires / needs are non dual in nature .. You have already touched upon nirvana and the sense of doership being absent .. I am not sure why peeps would try and deny their doership when they are drinking whiskey or typing out replies on the forums . I am not trying to convince you about YOU being the doer, it really is self evident, there is no-one else drinking whiskey for you is there? Who/m or what else is there that could be present other than YOU? The whiskey bottle doesn't pour itself does it . I don't know why peeps distance themselves from themselves it has to be a mixture of denial and confusion .. Like said previously who/m or what is the doer, the thinker the observer .. The doer is not the act of doing the doer is your own sense of self doing . If you say you are not the doer but you are the observer for examples sake then how can you prise apart that which thinks to that which observes .. In regards to a post you made about the Bhagavad-Gita, your welcome to draw my attention to it again, I am happy to answer any questions . For the record I have not ridiculed you for not answering my questions . I have simply pointed out the fact . How can I understand what you mean if you don't explain yourself? x daz x |
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Now, of course language needs to get involved in any attempt to describe an experience into words and for that, or even to post on here, cognitive faculties are required or we would all be comatose. It is also what delineates individual consciousness from a collective consciousness or a superconsciousness...but I will leave that for later because my ego is attached to some severe shoulder pain right now and I can't think clearly anyway. |
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What I find interesting is that one can find words to say there is no doer or there is a state of non duality attained with the desire for sex and yet one can't find the words to explain how or why? Take care of your shoulder and perhaps we will speak again at a later date .. x dazzle x |
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Good afternoon Daz What if they are not astral bound and they just stepped out of the body while walking. What do you think would happen to the body then, stop or carry on ? |
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Hi Mr Muffin .. In my experience / understanding when the spirit leaves the body (not physical death) the body maintains itself in the same way a ship continues to function without it's captain at the helm . There however requires the captain to navigate / change direction and to perform specific tasks . Our physical body doesn't know how to wash dishes when the spirit has left the body . The cells in our body don't know the difference between washing and drying lol . What is apparent however is that there are many levels within being self aware . I would say as an example it is possible to have your attention elsewhere while washing the dishes continues . One might for a moment not remember one was washing the dishes .. My reason for bringing this aspect to the fore was in relation to another's question .. There is always a doer while of the mind doing .. otherwise nuffin would get done . x dazzle x |
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Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear: know that to be Brahman the eternal and not what (most) people here adore. Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by whereby speech can be illuminated: know that to be Brahman the eternal and not what (most) people here adore. Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think: know that to be Brahman the eternal and not what (most) people here adore". - The Kenopanishad |
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