Where do you Think we Go?
 

I know that this might not be the right place to put this, but I want to ask you, what do you believe about what happens after we pass on. For me, I believe in a variation of the Christian notions of Heaven and Hell. For souls who wish to stay with God or Jesus or whoever, they can live with him and his angels to be reunited with family and friends. If they want to visit the Earth again, they can be reincarnated into something else such as a human, animal or plant.


On the opposite side of the coin, I do believe in a divine punishment or what may be called by many "Hell", but not in the way that many Christians think. Instead of the standard lake of fire, I believe that an individual's experience is based on their fears and regrets. Likewise, I don't believe that everybody stays in punishment forever. I believe that some people only have a certain amount of time that they stay in punishment (Someone who was a vandal or thief stays in punishment for a few years before entering Paradise), but for those who have committed high-levels sins such as murder and rape stay in punishment for eternity.

Finally, unlike some faiths, I don't believe that suicide should not be punished by a deity. Let's say that Jim, who has been a good person by doing deeds such as donating to charity and volunteering at shelters and food pantries has signs of suicidal tendancies and sadly takes his life. Should he be judged based on the fact that he was suicidal or on the fact that he was a good person?

So all in all, what do you think happens after death if anything at all?

There are things I call ghosts because they sense like dead people.

Some float in the air, wandering what just happened to them. Some have sorrow over the fact they can no longer take care for their loved ones. We are sitting in the car on the highway. We aren't moving, there is a long queue of cars in front of us. I tell my friend there was an accident, people died. How do you know that ? He asks me. I point at the window into the air. Can't you see them ? They are right there floating in the air, and they don't look happy.

Some are suddenly there. I feel uncomfortable and can't get to sleep. I am starting to feel very uncomfortable like or I am not alone and something wants to do something bad to me. I go to the other empty guest bedroom next to mine. This room looks fine for a few secs. Then something follows me and comes right through the wall. It is black yet I can look right through it. It's cone shaped and spiraling like a small tornado. But I sense it's a being. It has no eyes yet I feel watched. I can't tell my mum, dad nor sister about this. What if they see nothing ? They'll say I am crazy.

I go to my own bedroom again and try to resume sleep but I can't. An unpleasant tickling sensation comes over me starting from my feet. Crawling upwards slowly. What is going on ? When the sensation reaches my neck I panic. Desperately I start saying/thinking the only prayer I know and vaguely remember. I say the first two words and suddenly I feel an intense shock. This thing has stopped. I think I scared it. I definitely scared it. I must continue. I continue the prayer and this thing leaves as it came.

Some I don't call ghosts.

At this point in my life I work at a biological farm. I sleep there at night in a caravan. One of my jobs is to lead the goats up the mountain so they can graze the open fields there. And to lead them downhill before nightfall. When I lead them upwards I usually walk behind. They know the way. In the middle of my path is a fence and behind it a grassland surrounded by woods. That is not where they go though. Before nightfall I go get them from the mountain. When I arrive they are already waiting by the fence for my arrival. They go downhill quickly, I need to step quickly to keep up. In the middle of my path I see the fence is open and they went to the grassland they shouldn't graze. Like a dog I circle them for at least half an hour trying to get them back on the path downhill. They are so stubborn, when I go to the left they go right and some take advantage of my occupation to graze in the woods. They do it on purpose. Stupid goats, why don't you listen !

That night I woke up in a feeling of choking, like I can't breathe. I look at my watch, it's about 2 in the morning. Weird. I don't think much of it so I fall back asleep. The following morning I feel a little weird, like or I've lost a few ounces. I open the door of the caravan and the sky looks beautiful. My friend comes towards me and asks me what I did with the goats. I am mystified what do you mean ? A goat died last night. He said. And so I tell him what happened. How they took of in the grassland they shouldn't go. I speculated some were even in the woods, maybe it ate a poisonous plant. He went back to tell the farmer my story. I went with him and sat at the table to eat as I usually do. We are in France but I don't speak very well french so he does all the telling. When I cross the grasslands back to my caravan I feel weird. Like I've lost a few ounces. I go in and shut the door. The feeling persists. I reopen the door and look into the blue sky. I feel abnormally satisfied and peaceful. I look and I see tiny balls you can look right through in the air. They are dividing into tinier balls spreading into an increasingly thinner layer covering the landscape. Stretching out into the horizon.


I believe we choose our own destiny, in this life and thereafter. The way I sense it, this demon that harassed me and made me sick, ( oops now I remember I didn't even share this story with you, anyways ) it knew perfectly well what it was doing. And it did it because my pain and suffering gave it pleasure. If it stopped doing that at this very moment it be no longer a demon. So no, I do not believe in divine punishment.


Maybe Jim was fragile and damaged. It's easy to speak, judge or even kick someone with a broken back to get up and walk. Yet instead of judging people for the choices they make. Maybe we should think about how we can build a society in which everybody feels accepted.

We are all spirit when we pass we go back to spirit.we do not die .
it doesn't matter who you believe in life is Eternal.

Namaste

In many cases when you die you will see what you believe in and hold dearest in your heart. There are many, many levels of existence beyond this physical realm, and after human death, you go to the place where you are capable of going to. Your capacity is determined by how much emotional and mental baggage one might be carrying at the time of human death. This baggage can keep one from soaring to the finer planes of existence, and may even cause one to reincarnate back here on earth.

Of course, all of this is illusionary, because that which we truly are has always been and will always be with our pure divine loving source. There is absolutely no way that we can actually leave our true home, the source of our being. Here on Earth we are but projections of light. When we experience human death the projection is withdrawn and we have the opportunity to consciously return to the source of all light, that which many call “GOD.” In my opinion all things come from God and all things must eventually return to God. God, that divine Christ Consciousness, is always with us but we are not always consciously with God.

As Jesus said in the Bible, “There are many mansions in my father’s house,” and I might add more mansions, or realms, than we know. I believe that the way is to find the love that is inside of you, bathe in that love, and indiscriminately share its’ presence with others. When I was younger I was afraid of death and I was also afraid of life, but I came to learn that life and death are here to help us consciously return to our source; that which many refer to as “heaven.” The Kingdom of heaven is within you, in my opinion, and often we have to go through hell to get there. Ego is the only thing that may freak out about death, so having a humble ego now may help with a smooth transition at the time of human death.

Grow and learn and over time gather your own point of view on this.:smile:

There are lower dark realms that some might interpret as 'hell'.

We go where our vibration matches. If we have been very bad and have a low spiritual vibration (caused by distancing from our Creator) we will go to those bad low vibe places (you are right, not forever). But if we have a higher vibration we go to higher, lighter realms. There are literally countless planes of existence.

Buddhists go to where Buddhists are.
Christians go to where Christians are.
New Agers go to where New Agers are.

I chose what I want my heaven to be like and can't wait till I get to go there. It will be a vacation of sorts before I go back to the halls of learning again.:rolleyes:

I don’t think there is a one size that’s fits all. Example; Andy, Jill, and Fred all committ suicide...Andy goes to heaven, sees God, etc....Jill goes to prison in hell and sees demons, and Fred wonders the earth. I think the souls will and energy determines the outcome. The individual soul knows.

A prominent Doctor, healer, good man goes to hell, and is saved by saints.

A murder, by his own admission goes to hell and is saved by God.

A prostitute goes to heaven and meets God

A Christian goes to hell and sees Satan

A rich, self centered, greedy, materialistic man goes to heaven, comes back and changes his life

These are all examples of real life NDE’s that I have read. Deep down, each person knows what motivates them, and what their intentions are, the shadow self, and what their true depth is...whether they face it here, or the afterlife.

Well said Colorado.:hug:

Thanks Deb:):)

Life After Death
 

I think to sum it up. We go home. This is a place that constitutes love, and familiarity that we will recognize as something we felt before. We will feel as we are returning home from some kind of dream (the world), and a strong sense of connection with everything in the Universe. I think I agree with some of the others that some of us, might experience a kind of disconnect depending on our state of vibration when we crossed over, BUT we all eventually find our way home.


Eric

When I had my NDE, this existence seemed like a dream, or a play, not the reality of existence. All those who are in this place make it what it is but it's collective...that is, what culture/society becomes is determined by what people do or don't do as a whole.
Yep...and we all eventually find our way home. Hell isn't a place...it's a state of the id, which is a product of influence of the ego on our consciousness/spirit/soul. The examples COLORADO gave of real NDEs are excellent testaments to this, and I found likewise sentiment after reading and/or watching many accounts.

Philosophical considerations. What a meditation about the name of some higher being. Angel, a demon, a pagan god or goddess. And ask him/her what he / she thinking about it. But take it a time. So, patience is needed. :hug3:

Like for example Hindu bhakti-yogis. See Ramakrishna and his vision mother Kali.
Or like adepts ancient mysteries. See Iamblichus: Theurgia, or the Egyptian Mysteries..... etc.

NDE vs clinically dead
 

Was gonna post this as a new thread, but might as well post here.

The brain remains active after the heart stops beating, from minutes, to maybe hours until the final neuron fires. During this time is what most would call NDE, which is why everyone see what they believe the afterlife is like: Heaven, hell, tunnel of light, deceased relatives, clouds in the sky, maybe even 50 virgins awaiting them. It all happens in your mind which is why some say it felt like a dream. Sleeping/dreaming is the closest we get to NDE without actually dying.

But that doesnt explain the astral projection people experience.

And then theres clinically dead, when the brain completly stops, or when they give up on reviving you and announce time of death. Your spirit cuts its cord to your body. We have no idea what actually happens because nobody can report on it.

But of course there are hints: ghosts, energies, etc.

I believe heaven/hell IS Earth. We simply awaken to something similar. Karma? Reincarnate? Wanderer? One of those. I would love to be a wanderer: observe people, play with their minds, manipulate their lives, create miracles, visit their dreams, explore the oceanbeds, be a guardian angel, etc.

Weird ive never thought about that, it really is what id love to do

E.T.: Phone. Home. [pointing at the window] E.T. home phone.
Gertie: E.T. phone home.
Elliott: E.T. phone home. E.T. phone home!
Gertie: He wants to call somebody...
Michael: [entering the room] What's all this ****?
E.T.: [famous line] E.T. phone home.
Michael: My God, he's talking now.
E.T.: Home.
Elliott: E.T. phone home?
E.T.: E.T. phone home. [pointing at the window again]
Elliott: And they'll come?
E.T.: Come? Home. Home.

Keys: Elliott, I've been to the forest... Elliott, that machine. What does it do?
Elliott: The communicator? Is it still working?
Keys: It's doing something. What?
Elliott: I really shouldn't tell. He came to me. He came to me.
Keys: Elliott, he came to me too. I've been wishing for this since I was 10 years old. I don't want him to die. What can we do that we're not already doing?
Elliott: He needs to go home. He's calling his people and I don't know where they are. He needs to go home.
Keys: Elliott, I don't think that he was left here intentionally. But his being here is a miracle, Elliott. It's a miracle. And you did the best that anybody could do. I'm glad he met you first.


home :rolleyes:

I intend to stay for awhile after I die and be a bit of a wonderlust. I want to be in my present mind with all the thoughts, emotions, feelings I have now not come back later. I'd like to visit my family members, see how they are doing, visit some places I've always wanted to visit, but I won't mess with people trying to get through their incarnations. They have enough to deal with without having to deal with a mischievous spirit.:D

Where do we go??? To the Caribbean of course!!!!!

But where???

Port Au Prince, Haiti ....................HELL!!!!!

St Bart's, French Antilles...............Heaven!!!!

We go home pal.

Yes we go home Burntfruit. Whatever that is to each of us.

I don't have any fixed belief about where I will go after leaving this body because I think it's futile to create such a belief with the conscious human mind. After reading many NDEs my impression is that we exit through our subconscious mind - hence the many different scenarios people report when they come back. The subconscious mind is by definition not part of our conscious thoughts, so we don't know what we will experience when passing through it. Our subconscious mind is like a bridge to the beyond, into the afterlife. We have to cross that bridge.

There are many sources telling what happens once we have crossed over proper, left our whole personality and subconscious mind behind. (Spirit Guide Sparrow, Seth, afterlife101, Silver Birch, etc) There are mediums who have reported on the afterlife, people who have channeled spirits, reports from deep hypnosis, etc. They are all similar and mostly I feel they are authentic. It's worth reading them! It seems that it will be really really wonderful! Yes, home is the right word for it.

I believe that after our bodies die our spirit moves to the astral plane. Beyond that an explanation is beyond me. Theres no way to know the possibilities beyond life besides asking spirits what their existence is like.

Welcome to the forum, tsukitaiyo.

The examples COLORADO gave of real NDEs are excellent testaments to this.

In my opinion:

Hell is the in my belief the lower vibration astral realms.
Heaven is the highest vibrational plain.
With that being explained I believe people go where they think they belong. Heaven is open to all, yes that includes the wretched, the wicked, and the devout.
The life review is exceptional important because that is where we see the pain and joy we caused others. It is where we learn and heal from this life.

Where do we go? Exactly where we are in condition to go based on our soul condition. This condition includes any errors caused by others to us (that we should release/forgive), any beliefs that we have that are not aligned with the Truth (that we should release/replace), and any things that we have done to ourselves or others (including God) that are not in harmony with Love (that we should release/repent/grieve) as well as any Love that we have. Basically, its all about Love or lack thereof whether you call it light or vibration or by any other name. There are many gradients of Hells and many Spheres of Heavens and none are permanent or everlasting destinations as we can ALL improve (or degrade) the condition of our Souls from the lowest in vibration/darkest/EVIL to the most exalted Celestial Angels which means that the most evil person can change and progress just as the most loving can. This is how the system works and there are many processes (spiritual movements/belief systems/religions) which you can engage to progress your soul to an great extent... and then there is The Way which will transform the soul from a finite image of God to an infinite and immortal Soul possessing the essence of God that will have everlasting development in Truth and Love.

Very well put MARDAV70, I agree wholeheartedly.

The clue to life (and all its mysteries) lies in mind. Not only in my mind but also in yours. There is a point where minds are shared - this is the place we know of, or have heard about as 'Everything is One'. We on this plane(t) all take part in the adventure of life in circumstances within which we find the ability to express ourselves as (in our case) humans. Elephants express themselves differently. There are lower and higher 'realms' of expression in the 'mind' world; in the physical world we know this as evolution. So basically what we think, we are - although it would probably be more correct to say we are what we imagine. The final moment in time is the NOW, and this NOW is ever present. You are who you are in its complete totality based upon everything that has ever happened. The role you played in this history reflects your 'philosophies', your thoughts - whether 'good' or 'bad', your reflections (from which you gain insights) and your actions.

When you look in the mirror you are (and I hope you don't understand this wrongly) looking into the centre of the universe.

Not saying I want to go to hell, but hopefully I won't be forced to join a 'cute' angel choir neither.

But I guess whatever happens will become clear to us when we check out.

Being physical is just part of our journey
we are free from the way of physical thinking when we die yet we hold onto physical wants

Where go when we die i guess we choose that when the time happens

Beautiful summary and exactly how I see(or experience) it.

Thanks for putting it how it is ;)

I believe we enter a spiritual dimension, able to roam as freely as we please. We can leave this world or remain. I believe a lot remain on this world to watch over loved ones.

In my understanding there is a few things that can happen.

1. You get reincaranted as human being or an other being /animal in our physical realm.

2. If you have reached enlightenment this life you no longer get reincarnated in to human realm.

3. If you have lived a very immorally life you can end up in what people would call hell or constant suffering ( more then in human life)

4. If you have no more morality or good karma within you can be "deleted" as a living being.

Paramahamsa Yogananda's 'Autobiography of a Yogi', gives a good account of what happens after the expiration of the body.

Each individual will have a difference experience in the afterlife. Several months before my mother died, she had a dream of being in this grandiose city which was beautiful to look at. It was so beautiful that she couldn't describe it. She was looking at it from a distance and was walking towards the gates. My grandmother was already in the city waiting for her to come. My grandmother wouldn't see her until she crossed over which would be at the gates of the city. My mother believed that this city was the one described in Revelations, The New Jerusalem was where she would be going after she passed from this earth. She had no fear of going to this place.