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Still_Waters 09-12-2018 09:00 PM

The 23rd Psalm - An Absolute Spiritual Masterpiece
 
One of my favorite personal prayers is the very insightful 23rd Psalm, which I repeat many times a day and actually use it to time my yoga postures. (I say the 23rd Psalm when I start certain postures, and move on to the next posture once the 23rd Psalm is completed.)

There was one passage that somewhat troubled me for a while, but my difficulties with it were all completely resolved at a Quaker meeting of all places.

"Thou preparest a place before me in the presence of mine enemies."

Initially, I attributed that to possibly a poor translation as the statement definitely not resonate with me. Now, however, after the Quaker meeting, it makes complete sense and resonates completely.

During the Quaker meeting, which is observed in complete silence for those who are unfamiliar with Quaker services, an elder stood up halfway through the service with a very insightful comment. (If some one is inspired to speak, they can stand up and speak whatever inspiration came during the silent meditative service.)

He said that a passage in the 23rd Psalm had long puzzled him: "Thou preparest a place for me in the presence of mine enemies". He mentioned that he had no enemies so he was not sure what the passage really meant. However, he added, upon meditative reflection, he realized that he DID INDEED have enemies: Pride, lust, anger, greed, gluttony, envy, sloth. He then interpreted the passage to mean that he was placed in the presence of these internal "enemies" so that he could overcome them.

While the whole 23rd Psalm is very meaningful to me, that particular passage took on a very deep positive meaning for me after that Quaker spoke out during the otherwise silent service. I have never forgotten that ! Years later, I saw him at another Quaker service and reminded him of how his meditative statement had had such a lasting impact of me. He remembered that day and indicated that it was a major breakthrough for him as well since he had been contemplating that passage for years before the breakthrough.

I just thought that I would share that here, and I'm curious if anyone has alternative interpretations of that particular passage. If you want to discuss any of the other passages in that Psalm, it would be most welcome as I consider that Psalm to be a Spiritual Masterpiece.

sky 10-12-2018 07:17 AM

The table to me is a place where I eat and share food with Family and Friends, physical nourishment.



' You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;'


The table holds Inner nourishment ( Spiritual Food ) given in abundance to feed my Spirit rather than my ego ( enemy ).



Ps, I love singing this Psalm.

Still_Waters 10-12-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
The table to me is a place where I eat and share food with Family and Friends, physical nourishment.



' You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;'


The table holds Inner nourishment ( Spiritual Food ) given in abundance to feed my Spirit rather than my ego ( enemy ).



Ps, I love singing this Psalm.


Thanks for sharing ! :thumbsup:

Tobi 16-12-2018 12:24 AM

Hello....I moved the thread over from the Judaism sub forum to this one where it seems to have a better home.
I left a re-direct in the other forum in case you wondered where it had gone!
Tobi.

Tobi 16-12-2018 12:26 AM

....And yes....I find the 23rd psalm to have a great deal of spiritual force. We should not underestimate it. It is a great comfort to the Soul, especially in any problem or unrest.

ImthatIm 17-12-2018 05:35 AM

To have no fear of my enemies that God prepares a feast and we feast and are comforted by the rod and the staff of my Sheppard and He is with me, since perfect Love casts out all fear. We celebrate knowing the adversary is a withering branch without hope. So yes those 7 sins above are a part.

This enemy is tsarar= to cramp. So it is an adversary that wants to bind you and hold you captive and oppress.

SimpleMan 17-12-2018 05:23 PM

I used this psalm when I fell from a moving train and survived without a scratch, then, I met three demons when I tried to seek help at a bar, I am not joking... I was really afraid and I ran away, then, I felt this amazing joy and I started to say again and again the psalm 23 and to praise God for His help.

This is what I saw but there's a little difference, their faces were melting down.One more thing to add, they were laughing at me with this creppy laugh and I knew why they were laughing, because I was suffering... I felt it.They were really close to me, in front of my face there was the seller, she was normal ( a human being ) but scared, then I turned my face to the left side and I saw these three demons.


Morpheus 19-12-2018 10:52 PM

Were you "under the influence" at the time?

SimpleMan 20-12-2018 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus
Were you "under the influence" at the time?


Are you talking with me? At that time I was around 17, I was in high-scool, so, the train was one of the ways I used to go back home.I was in the wrong train but I was not alone in this situation, there was an elderly couple too.I was super scared, this train had another route, one that would take me far away from my house, so, it happened, I was close to some doors, these doors were still open...

I don't do drugs, don't drink and don't smoke and I will never do such things.

neil 20-12-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
I used this psalm when I fell from a moving train and survived without a scratch, then, I met three demons when I tried to seek help at a bar, I am not joking... I was really afraid and I ran away, then, I felt this amazing joy and I started to say again and again the psalm 23 and to praise God for His help.

This is what I saw but there's a little difference, their faces were melting down.One more thing to add, they were laughing at me with this creppy laugh and I knew why they were laughing, because I was suffering... I felt it.They were really close to me, in front of my face there was the seller, she was normal ( a human being ) but scared, then I turned my face to the left side and I saw these three demons.



You said that their faces were melting down

Did you mean that their faces were melting down "moment by moment", as you were looking at them.

Or did you mean that their faces "had" appeared to have been, melted down at some stage prior.

I new a spiritualist person, who was in a car crash, that involved the vehicle smahing down trees and eventually hurtling off of a clff, & landing upside down in a river of water at the bottom of the cliff.

And almost as soon as the vehicle went out of control, the loan male driver, felt as if he was in a soft cushion like cocoon within the vehicle, he did not feel any pain, & did not suffer any injuries.

The rescue teams could not believe the whole incident, as far as they were concerned he should not have survived, the car was a wreck and he just walked away and went to work.

SimpleMan 20-12-2018 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
You said that their faces were melting down

Did you mean that their faces were melting down "moment by moment", as you were looking at them.

Or did you mean that their faces "had" appeared to have been, melted down at some stage prior.

I new a spiritualist person, who was in a car crash, that involved the vehicle smahing down trees and eventually hurtling off of a clff, & landing upside down in a river of water at the bottom of the cliff.

And almost as soon as the vehicle went out of control, the loan male driver, felt as if he was in a soft cushion like cocoon within the vehicle, he did not feel any pain, & did not suffer any injuries.

The rescue teams could not believe the whole incident, as far as they were concerned he should not have survived, the car was a wreck and he just walked away and went to work.


They were melting down moment by moment, it's very hard to describe it... Their faces were not human, they had eyes but their eyes where black and void.. It was like their faces are made of some kind of smoke and this smoke had different colors, for their eyes and for their mouth it was black and for the rest of the face it was greyish.. Imagine this, I was looking at the seller, she was normal but scared, then, when I turned my face to the left side I saw these three demons and they were laughing at me.They were like one or two feets away from me... This is true, I told this story to many people.

Things happen but people don't want to see and believe... You tell them the truth and they still don't believe you.

neil 21-12-2018 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
They were melting down moment by moment, it's very hard to describe it... Their faces were not human, they had eyes but their eyes where black and void.. It was like their faces are made of some kind of smoke and this smoke had different colors, for their eyes and for their mouth it was black and for the rest of the face it was greyish.. Imagine this, I was looking at the seller, she was normal but scared, then, when I turned my face to the left side I saw these three demons and they were laughing at me.They were like one or two feets away from me... This is true, I told this story to many people.

Things happen but people don't want to see and believe... You tell them the truth and they still don't believe you.


Yes many people tell me that i must be crazy, even a few on this site have recently informed me that i need psychiatric help because i am in their eyes psychotic.

But all in all i know that they will be mind blown when they start to see the truth of it all.

I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, THAT SPIRITUAL BEINGS CAN CREATE ANYTHING IN SPIRIT FROM THE SPIRITUAL MATTER/ENERGIES.

THE DEMON LIKE BEINGS THAT YOU SAW COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETE APPIRATIONS, OR THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPIRITUAL BEINGS CHANGING THEIR APPEARANCES.
OR THE DEMON LIKE ENTITIES COULD HAVE BEEN VISIONS PROJECTED/PLACED INTO YOUR MIND BY DARK SPIRITUAL BEINGS, JUST AS THEY CAN DO WHEN WE ARE SLEEPING...THEY CAN CONNECT TO US & CREATE ALL MANNER OF VISION SEQUENCES & THE VISION SEQUENCES WILL ENTER OUR AWARENESS, BUT ESSENTIALLY IN THIS CASE THEY WILL NOT BE ACTUALLY REAL.
BUT IN THE OTHER ABOVE CASES THEY ARE REAL IN THE SENCE THAT THE DARK BEINGS HAVE CREATED THOSE DEMONS.

Simpleman...DEMONS ARE NOT REAL, THEY ARE NOT A REALITY..DEMONS ARE ILLUSIONS & OR CREATIONS WITHOUT CONSCIOUSNESS & HAVE TO BE ANIMATED BY DARK BEINGS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO APPEAR REAL.

But dark beings can be left very physicaly depleted & or crippled, deformed discoloured very squat small, & with limbs missing & head & face distorted in any miss sharpened mess, blind without eyes in their sockets, no teeth nor tongue, jaw all over the place or missing, torso short, twisted...& that is just a start of what the law of reap as you sow can do to an unrepentant unloving being, who is continuously acting way out of harmony with gods way of love.

No angel nor spiritual being is exempt from the law of reap as one sows..."unless" we thought it was us doing the evil...because in most of our instances of unlovingness, we were coerced into doing it & without actual intent nor desire to be unloving...SO IT IS THE DARK ONES THAT WILL REAP BADLY FROM THE UNLOVING ACT NOT US...IF WE WERE NOT ACTUAL THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE UNLOVING ACT THAT WE WERE APART OF. YOU WILL ONE DAY BECOME VERY AWARE OF JUST HOW DISCRETELY DARK BEINGS CAN COERCE US WHILE WE ARE UNAWARE OF THE INCIDENT

TRUTH WILL BE PROVEN, ON WHAT I SAY, ONCE WE ARE EVENTUALY IN THE LIFE OF SPIRIT.

This is why it is imperative, not to be coerced into lingering around the earth after starting our life without the flesh..& believe me they have many many many ways to fool the unsuspecting newly arrival in the life of spirit, to linger and become unloving.

SimpleMan 21-12-2018 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by neil
Yes many people tell me that i must be crazy, even a few on this site have recently informed me that i need psychiatric help because i am in their eyes psychotic.

But all in all i know that they will be mind blown when they start to see the truth of it all.

I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, THAT SPIRITUAL BEINGS CAN CREATE ANYTHING IN SPIRIT FROM THE SPIRITUAL MATTER/ENERGIES.

THE DEMON LIKE BEINGS THAT YOU SAW COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETE APPIRATIONS, OR THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPIRITUAL BEINGS CHANGING THEIR APPEARANCES.
OR THE DEMON LIKE ENTITIES COULD HAVE BEEN VISIONS PROJECTED/PLACED INTO YOUR MIND BY DARK SPIRITUAL BEINGS, JUST AS THEY CAN DO WHEN WE ARE SLEEPING...THEY CAN CONNECT TO US & CREATE ALL MANNER OF VISION SEQUENCES & THE VISION SEQUENCES WILL ENTER OUR AWARENESS, BUT ESSENTIALLY IN THIS CASE THEY WILL NOT BE ACTUALLY REAL.
BUT IN THE OTHER ABOVE CASES THEY ARE REAL IN THE SENCE THAT THE DARK BEINGS HAVE CREATED THOSE DEMONS.

Simpleman...DEMONS ARE NOT REAL, THEY ARE NOT A REALITY..DEMONS ARE ILLUSIONS & OR CREATIONS WITHOUT CONSCIOUSNESS & HAVE TO BE ANIMATED BY DARK BEINGS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO APPEAR REAL.

But dark beings can be left very physicaly depleted & or crippled, deformed discoloured very squat small, & with limbs missing & head & face distorted in any miss sharpened mess, blind without eyes in their sockets, no teeth nor tongue, jaw all over the place or missing, torso short, twisted...& that is just a start of what the law of reap as you sow can do to an unrepentant unloving being, who is continuously acting way out of harmony with gods way of love.

No angel nor spiritual being is exempt from the law of reap as one sows..."unless" we thought it was us doing the evil...because in most of our instances of unlovingness, we were coerced into doing it & without actual intent nor desire to be unloving...SO IT IS THE DARK ONES THAT WILL REAP BADLY FROM THE UNLOVING ACT NOT US...IF WE WERE NOT ACTUAL THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE UNLOVING ACT THAT WE WERE APART OF. YOU WILL ONE DAY BECOME VERY AWARE OF JUST HOW DISCRETELY DARK BEINGS CAN COERCE US WHILE WE ARE UNAWARE OF THE INCIDENT

TRUTH WILL BE PROVEN, ON WHAT I SAY, ONCE WE ARE EVENTUALY IN THE LIFE OF SPIRIT.

This is why it is imperative, not to be coerced into lingering around the earth after starting our life without the flesh..& believe me they have many many many ways to fool the unsuspecting newly arrival in the life of spirit, to linger and become unloving.


Nobody ever believed me and they all know that I don't do drugs nor drink nor smoke, I tried all my life to walk the path that leads to God, of course, I have my own sins, I am not without sin.

Once I felt a very cold hand on my neck, I was paralyzed but not because of sleep paralysis, no, but because of fear.My eyes were open, I could even see the Moon's light outside the window, but I could not move at all.This hand was cold and it was a human hand ( it had fingers ) but not human, why not human? I felt this evil presence and I was completely paralyzed of fear.I was sleeping on my stomach and I could not see a thing above me.My grandma saved me, when she woke up, immediately that hand disappeared and I could move freely again.This is the first experience I had with the evil one and from this moment I started to have more and more and then around one year later I fell from that train and met those three "demons".By the way, this hand had only one intention, I could feel it, to strangle me.I was fighting like a crazy to move my body but I could't do it, the fear was too overwhelming.My grandma told me that there are some people doing witchcraft to me, she told me a story that when I was a children an old lady came to our house and she wanted to take me with her but my grandma fought with that old lady for my life, this is true, I can remember it but it's very foggy.Before my grandma died I had nightmares almost every single night ( I had no idea that she is going to die ), once I had so many nightmares in a night that I started to cry like a baby, my grandma was there to help me... Sadly, between me and my grandma something happened, we got distant and we had many arguments, finally she told me that I have to leave her alone.. so I had to leave, then, some time later, she died.How she died? You wont believe, she got "crazy", she could see entities everywhere, there was a big group of these entities in our house too.It may be that she had some kind of "powers" and that her "powers" are now my inheritage, I don't know.Now, to all the people that may think I am crazy, I am not.Anyway, after my grandma died, she came to me, yes, the whole environment was covered in this amazing warm light, I can't describe it in words... she gave me two signs that she is still alive and this was her last message to me: "I am not dead".Now, the strange part comes, after this amazing dream I had only nightmares, a some kind of demon, a shapeshifter, tried to trick me that it is my grandma and that I have to stay with it but I could always see its true nature, it was pure evil and there was no natural light, only darkness and artificial lights.


Ohh, I can even write books about all my experiences.. My belief is simple, I believe in the God of the Bible as the true and only God, I told you this stories of mine that you may see that the evil side exists and that if evil exists, then, God exists too.I am going to tell my stores to everyone, maybe this is why God saved me that day, to tell people.

neil 21-12-2018 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
Nobody ever believed me and they all know that I don't do drugs nor drink nor smoke, I tried all my life to walk the path that leads to God, of course, I have my own sins, I am not without sin.

Once I felt a very cold hand on my neck, I was paralyzed but not because of sleep paralysis, no, but because of fear.My eyes were open, I could even see the Moon's light outside the window, but I could not move at all.This hand was cold and it was a human hand ( it had fingers ) but not human, why not human? I felt this evil presence and I was completely paralyzed of fear.I was sleeping on my stomach and I could not see a thing above me.My grandma saved me, when she woke up, immediately that hand disappeared and I could move freely again.This is the first experience I had with the evil one and from this moment I started to have more and more and then around one year later I fell from that train and met those three "demons".By the way, this hand had only one intention, I could feel it, to strangle me.I was fighting like a crazy to move my body but I could't do it, the fear was too overwhelming.My grandma told me that there are some people doing witchcraft to me, she told me a story that when I was a children an old lady came to our house and she wanted to take me with her but my grandma fought with that old lady for my life, this is true, I can remember it but it's very foggy.Before my grandma died I had nightmares almost every single night ( I had no idea that she is going to die ), once I had so many nightmares in a night that I started to cry like a baby, my grandma was there to help me... Sadly, between me and my grandma something happened, we got distant and we had many arguments, finally she told me that I have to leave her alone.. so I had to leave, then, some time later, she died.How she died? You wont believe, she got "crazy", she could see entities everywhere, there was a big group of these entities in our house too.It may be that she had some kind of "powers" and that her "powers" are now my inheritage, I don't know.Now, to all the people that may think I am crazy, I am not.Anyway, after my grandma died, she came to me, yes, the whole environment was covered in this amazing warm light, I can't describe it in words... she gave me two signs that she is still alive and this was her last message to me: "I am not dead".Now, the strange part comes, after this amazing dream I had only nightmares, a some kind of demon, a shapeshifter, tried to trick me that it is my grandma and that I have to stay with it but I could always see its true nature, it was pure evil and there was no natural light, only darkness and artificial lights.


Ohh, I can even write books about all my experiences.. My belief is simple, I believe in the God of the Bible as the true and only God, I told you this stories of mine that you may see that the evil side exists and that if evil exists, then, God exists too.I am going to tell my stores to everyone, maybe this is why God saved me that day, to tell people.


I don't speak in detail of my experiences with the dark ones, because people that have not experienced similar, can not understand.
Plus there are certain things that i have discovered that are so foul and despicable, & of which, persons with children of their own or siblings, or parents, WOULD just not want to hear, they would be absolutely appauled & sickened if they knew what i have figured out by experiencing.

But if the earths population was without unnecessary physical possessions, & they could all freely love & work together to assist each other, then the earths entire population should be informed of what i have discovered.
To be aware of what i have dicovered would confront every dark spiritual being that utilizes this earth as a fun park for such utterly disgusting sexual & non sexual based self gratification of the temptations of the flesh.
& i am refering to it as being on a grand scale of illicitness, & a kind that is just not right.

People even on this site & every other site that i have been a part of, have never come close to mentioning anything like what i have discovered, & i have been keeping it to myself so far.

& i can assure you, that as soon as my parents have transitioned away from the flesh, it will be in the next few days after, that i will sever my own silver cord connection to the flesh, and leave the mess behind.
& i can because i do not have off spring, still on earth.

Regards Neil.

ImthatIm 21-12-2018 03:29 AM

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simpleman
Nobody ever believed me

I always believed you. I started demon fighting in 1990. I spent many years fighting. I just got drawn to far into all the battles,they love to battle because they now it takes us out of the word. I just choose to battle with Love and with the Spirit of God, and stay away from any fear based tactics.

neil 21-12-2018 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I always believed you. I started demon fighting in 1990. I spent many years fighting. I just got drawn to far into all the battles,they love to battle because they now it takes us out of the word. I just choose to battle with Love and with the Spirit of God, and stay away from any fear based tactics.


I didn't start battling because i learnt to love evil minded spiritual beings, before i discovered that they were constantly surrounding me & influencing & or attacking me.

& so when i realized, i then became very upset that i was copping it hard & fast every moment, day & night.

But eventually i realized that these beings do what they do & they get a kick out of it, so i stopped reacting to it & i just get on with day to day life, & just accept the attacks. There is not much a person can do to stop it.

& so, on it goes day in day out, & i have been aware of it now, since the year 2009.
& to the day, there has been no reprieve.

SimpleMan 21-12-2018 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I always believed you. I started demon fighting in 1990. I spent many years fighting. I just got drawn to far into all the battles,they love to battle because they now it takes us out of the word. I just choose to battle with Love and with the Spirit of God, and stay away from any fear based tactics.


Thank you!! That's a very long time.. I feel everyday the spiritual warfare... did God ever intervene to help you? In my case He only intervenes when I am very close to lose my life or very close to meet evil beings.Once I was in a very deep meditative state, I was out of my body in this complete darkenss, I could not see a thing, then, suddenly, I could feel hands touching my body, I mean real hands, immediately I know their intention, "they" wanted to rape me so with all my strength I called for God, I said something like this: "My Lord God, Jesus Christ, Son of God, please help me!!!"; and instantly I woke up.

One thing I know, every step you make into knowing more about the evil side opens your eyes to more evil, you see more, you are aware of more.Now, this is not affecting me in a way that I may do evil things, but I can feel the negative effects, it feels like my whole world is clouded with very dark cloudes and these cloudes hide all the light, I know the light is there but I can't reach it, I can't see it, so, all I have is my faith to not give up on walking the path that leads to God.

SimpleMan 21-12-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
I don't speak in detail of my experiences with the dark ones, because people that have not experienced similar, can not understand.
Plus there are certain things that i have discovered that are so foul and despicable, & of which, persons with children of their own or siblings, or parents, WOULD just not want to hear, they would be absolutely appauled & sickened if they knew what i have figured out by experiencing.

But if the earths population was without unnecessary physical possessions, & they could all freely love & work together to assist each other, then the earths entire population should be informed of what i have discovered.
To be aware of what i have dicovered would confront every dark spiritual being that utilizes this earth as a fun park for such utterly disgusting sexual & non sexual based self gratification of the temptations of the flesh.
& i am refering to it as being on a grand scale of illicitness, & a kind that is just not right.

People even on this site & every other site that i have been a part of, have never come close to mentioning anything like what i have discovered, & i have been keeping it to myself so far.

& i can assure you, that as soon as my parents have transitioned away from the flesh, it will be in the next few days after, that i will sever my own silver cord connection to the flesh, and leave the mess behind.
& i can because i do not have off spring, still on earth.

Regards Neil.


I understand, people are not ready for such things, for they it seems crazy, in fact, my own sister called my crazy for telling her the truth, yet, I am not.I know that only people who knows these things can understand but sometimes what you experience is so "great" that you really need to tell everybody.Think about all those people who had\have near death experiences, it takes some time, but eventually, they all tell their stories, you just can not keep it to yourself...

Why would you leave this world behind before the appointed time? I think we only have this life and if we want to reach the light we have to use this life to find the truth, know the truth and the truth will set you free.I found the truth, the God of the Bible is the true and only God and if we really want to reach Him we have to seek Him with all our heart.

ImthatIm 21-12-2018 03:40 PM

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simpleman
did God ever intervene to help you?

Yes, God is always there and intervening always. In the flesh both sides are always there.
The more I reach to God the bad comes to prevent it and if I am failing in a area the good is coming to protect.

In the 90s I believed in God. I was not following a Christian path, I was following the Native American Lakota/Sioux way.
So in that way I learnt to battle, we traveled all over battling disease, alcoholism,
spirit possessions or plain bad spirit troubles, suicide spirits and what not. All things come with spirit good and bad.
Then I seen the Light/Love and no one could help me. That is when I found Christianity again and
seen the Truth in the bible, as it related to my experience.
Gods Love is my most powerful weapon.

neil 21-12-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
I understand, people are not ready for such things, for they it seems crazy, in fact, my own sister called my crazy for telling her the truth, yet, I am not.I know that only people who knows these things can understand but sometimes what you experience is so "great" that you really need to tell everybody.Think about all those people who had\have near death experiences, it takes some time, but eventually, they all tell their stories, you just can not keep it to yourself...

Why would you leave this world behind before the appointed time? I think we only have this life and if we want to reach the light we have to use this life to find the truth, know the truth and the truth will set you free.I found the truth, the God of the Bible is the true and only God and if we really want to reach Him we have to seek Him with all our heart.


There is to much negative stigma associated with this life, to many people listen to spiritual beings, and or spiritual channelings, & they have been believing that all of the incoming information is truth & is coming from worthy source.
And i choose not to believe the above information.

I choose to believe that the God entity, who is ALL HOLY, ALL LOVING & ALL MERCIFULL, only creates good & perfect things, and designed and create us in its image, as nothing but good & perfect soul beings.

It is said that we are "ALL PERFECT & GOOD", & THAT WE SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO FALSE TEACHERS WHO SAY THAT.....
WE ARE SUBSERVIENT, SINFUL & DEPRAVED CREATURES....
GOD SAYS THAT WE ARE NOT THAT...GOD SAYS THAT WE ARE HIS HIGHEST CREATION...AND THAT WE ARE ALL GOOD & ALL PERFECT.


Well i hear that & i know that, & i experience the dark ones that influence feelings of unworthyness in us, they influence feelings of anger in us, they influence feelings of fear in us, they influence feelings of anxiety in us...etc etc & i could name all of the horrible emotions that earthlings are believed to exhibit, but i say, from my experience, these horrible emotions are not ours, they do not originate with in us, God only created the ability for us to be loving & with good emotions & God did not create imperfect non loving emotions built in to us.

IT IS SAID THAT, WE SHOULD PRAY, ""GOD PLEASE HELP US TO OVERCOME THE TEMPTATIONS OF THE FLESH & ""THE INFLUENCE OF THE EVIL ONES WHO SO CONSTANTLY SURROUND US, AND WHO ATTEMPT TO TURN OUR THOUGHTS AWAY FROM YOU & YOUR WAY OF LOVE"".

In the above part of a prayer, that jesus channelled to earth, it refers to evil beings surrounding us, THEY ARE THE ORIGIN & COURSE OF BAD EMOTIONS & PAIN WITHIN US ALL.

YOU SEE I AM VERY FORTUNATE TO REALIZE THAT ALL OF THE UNLOVINGNESS THAT EARTHLINGS EXPERIENCE, DOES NOT ORIGINATE FROM WITHIN US, IT ORIGINATES FROM WITHIN THE DARK BEINGS THAT ATTEMPT TO TURN OUR THOUGHTS AWAY FROM GOD, TOWARDS THE UNLOVING TEMPTATIONS OF THE FLESH.

SO...because we are all perfect & all darkness does not originate from within us, then we do not need to believe in any false soul agreements, or any false beliefs in having to do this life over, & any false beliefs in punishment for discarding the non conscious flesh body, for a life in the spiritual realms, which is just a relocation of where we live, just as we would relocate to a different location on earth...no different.

There is no need to come to earth for any early life lessons, or life contract.
We have all there is in the summerlands of love to know love & no need to learn how to be loving because we are inherently all loving & all perfect beings, created in the image of the God entity.

My time on earth is all but over, i do not need to experience anything from earth anymore.
When i rid myself of the flesh i will be able to spend some time in the healing centres in the summerlands having these entities removed from me, & soon as that is completed i will be living a free & abundant lifestyle, without having to slave to support the banking sector, i will never have to utilize toilet paper ever again etc etc.

I am an incredibly awesome artist of realism, and i can hardly wait to work with the magical
Materials of the spiritual realms to create magical art that appears to be alive.

Also i have a child who resides in the spiritual realms, whom i have never met, & meeting that child/creation of mine, "is" one of my highest priorities.

I will not be following the general herd mentality & beliefs regarding it being necessary to live untill the earthly flesh can not sustain it's self any longer...SMILES.

THESE ARE MY BELIEFS AND FOR ANYONE TO CONSIDER.
REGARDS NEIL...SMILES

ImthatIm 21-12-2018 04:52 PM

Neil
I love the way you explain things.

SimpleMan 21-12-2018 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
There is to much negative stigma associated with this life, to many people listen to spiritual beings, and or spiritual channelings, & they have been believing that all of the incoming information is truth & is coming from worthy source.
And i choose not to believe the above information.

I choose to believe that the God entity, who is ALL HOLY, ALL LOVING & ALL MERCIFULL, only creates good & perfect things, and designed and create us in its image, as nothing but good & perfect soul beings.

It is said that we are "ALL PERFECT & GOOD", & THAT WE SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO FALSE TEACHERS WHO SAY THAT.....
WE ARE SUBSERVIENT, SINFUL & DEPRAVED CREATURES....
GOD SAYS THAT WE ARE NOT THAT...GOD SAYS THAT WE ARE HIS HIGHEST CREATION...AND THAT WE ARE ALL GOOD & ALL PERFECT.


Well i hear that & i know that, & i experience the dark ones that influence feelings of unworthyness in us, they influence feelings of anger in us, they influence feelings of fear in us, they influence feelings of anxiety in us...etc etc & i could name all of the horrible emotions that earthlings are believed to exhibit, but i say, from my experience, these horrible emotions are not ours, they do not originate with in us, God only created the ability for us to be loving & with good emotions & God did not create imperfect non loving emotions built in to us.

IT IS SAID THAT, WE SHOULD PRAY, ""GOD PLEASE HELP US TO OVERCOME THE TEMPTATIONS OF THE FLESH & ""THE INFLUENCE OF THE EVIL ONES WHO SO CONSTANTLY SURROUND US, AND WHO ATTEMPT TO TURN OUR THOUGHTS AWAY FROM YOU & YOUR WAY OF LOVE"".

In the above part of a prayer, that jesus channelled to earth, it refers to evil beings surrounding us, THEY ARE THE ORIGIN & COURSE OF BAD EMOTIONS & PAIN WITHIN US ALL.

YOU SEE I AM VERY FORTUNATE TO REALIZE THAT ALL OF THE UNLOVINGNESS THAT EARTHLINGS EXPERIENCE, DOES NOT ORIGINATE FROM WITHIN US, IT ORIGINATES FROM WITHIN THE DARK BEINGS THAT ATTEMPT TO TURN OUR THOUGHTS AWAY FROM GOD, TOWARDS THE UNLOVING TEMPTATIONS OF THE FLESH.

SO...because we are all perfect & all darkness does not originate from within us, then we do not need to believe in any false soul agreements, or any false beliefs in having to do this life over, & any false beliefs in punishment for discarding the non conscious flesh body, for a life in the spiritual realms, which is just a relocation of where we live, just as we would relocate to a different location on earth...no different.

There is no need to come to earth for any early life lessons, or life contract.
We have all there is in the summerlands of love to know love & no need to learn how to be loving because we are inherently all loving & all perfect beings, created in the image of the God entity.

My time on earth is all but over, i do not need to experience anything from earth anymore.
When i rid myself of the flesh i will be able to spend some time in the healing centres in the summerlands having these entities removed from me, & soon as that is completed i will be living a free & abundant lifestyle, without having to slave to support the banking sector, i will never have to utilize toilet paper ever again etc etc.

I am an incredibly awesome artist of realism, and i can hardly wait to work with the magical
Materials of the spiritual realms to create magical art that appears to be alive.

Also i have a child who resides in the spiritual realms, whom i have never met, & meeting that child/creation of mine, "is" one of my highest priorities.

I will not be following the general herd mentality & beliefs regarding it being necessary to live untill the earthly flesh can not sustain it's self any longer...SMILES.

THESE ARE MY BELIEFS AND FOR ANYONE TO CONSIDER.
REGARDS NEIL...SMILES


How do you know that your beliefs are true and right? Leaving this world before the appointed time is like going against the nature of things and the natural order.I have this belief of mine that in life I should only stand for what is true and right, of course, I failed many times, I am not without sin.I agree, God created Adam and Eve in a perfect and holy condition, He never designed us to do evil.

Tobi 22-12-2018 02:00 AM

SimpleMan....is that image of the "demon's face" your art work?
If so, it is extremely good.

neil 22-12-2018 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
How do you know that your beliefs are true and right? Leaving this world before the appointed time is like going against the nature of things and the natural order.I have this belief of mine that in life I should only stand for what is true and right, of course, I failed many times, I am not without sin.I agree, God created Adam and Eve in a perfect and holy condition, He never designed us to do evil.


Simpleman..

Appointed time!....in 56 years, i have never heard of a single document or a manual of the soul, that states & proves that we have an appointed time. I do believe that the bible doesn't say we have to be on earth for an appointed time.
Just because it has been either channeled from unknown spiritual beings or given to us by gurus or handed down from 5000 years ago. Doesnt make it a truth.

I have a sence of adventure & as soon as my parents do not need my assistance any longer, then i can be off.

As i said i am only moving my locatoin of my abode to some where else in the universe. We do not only live on earth, we are residents of the universe & i am going to soon exercise my right to relocate to the summerlands...IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

I am only here on earth because our parents live here, & they chose to create me, so since my creation i have been living here. But unlike my parents i do not want to move forward continue in life pearing through aging eyes or trying to walk or sit in an aging body or not be capable of going out of the house because i had become incapable..ETC ETC.

It is that simple...SMILES.

SimpleMan 22-12-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobi
SimpleMan....is that image of the "demon's face" your art work?
If so, it is extremely good.


No, is not my drawing, I have the imagine in my mind but I can put it on paper.I found it online, there are dozens of similar pictures that depict those three demos I've seen.Movies got them right, these demons really have terrible bodies, but they do it only to scare us.

SimpleMan 22-12-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
Simpleman..

Appointed time!....in 56 years, i have never heard of a single document or a manual of the soul, that states & proves that we have an appointed time. I do believe that the bible doesn't say we have to be on earth for an appointed time.
Just because it has been either channeled from unknown spiritual beings or given to us by gurus or handed down from 5000 years ago. Doesnt make it a truth.

I have a sence of adventure & as soon as my parents do not need my assistance any longer, then i can be off.

As i said i am only moving my locatoin of my abode to some where else in the universe. We do not only live on earth, we are residents of the universe & i am going to soon exercise my right to relocate to the summerlands...IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

I am only here on earth because our parents live here, & they chose to create me, so since my creation i have been living here. But unlike my parents i do not want to move forward continue in life pearing through aging eyes or trying to walk or sit in an aging body or not be capable of going out of the house because i had become incapable..ETC ETC.

It is that simple...SMILES.


Dear Neil, the evil in this world is just to obivous to not even give a chance to the God of the Bible... There are people who call themselves satanists, their rise is already starting in USA, just search the latest news about them.. if Satan is real then the God of the Bible is real.. you just can not ignore these facts.. please watch this video and ask yourself, is this not evil? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zFOuyT7EpI&t=17s

Still_Waters 23-12-2018 12:38 PM

Another favorite passage of mine from the 23rd Psalm is "He restoreth my soul". "Salvation" is not a matter of attaining anything. It's more a matter of discovering what has always been there --- one's original pure innocence in complete at-one-ment with God.

neil 23-12-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
Dear Neil, the evil in this world is just to obivous to not even give a chance to the God of the Bible... There are people who call themselves satanists, their rise is already starting in USA, just search the latest news about them.. if Satan is real then the God of the Bible is real.. you just can not ignore these facts.. please watch this video and ask yourself, is this not evil? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zFOuyT7EpI&t=17s


Hello simpleman..
You quoted my post #24, & then you wrote the above which after reading into it a little, i soon realized that it is nothing that i am remotely interested in.

I honestly do not believe that earthlings are evil, i only believe that earthlings are influenced by unloving beings without the flesh, unloving (discarnate) beings.

However i had only read a small amount, so maybe i am not on the money in my assumptions of the content within.

You also mentioned that the god of the bible exists. And i would reply by saying "YES I BELIEVE THAT ALSO", as i have mentioned in so many of my posts. Which by the way, so many people seem to over look.

Now i should say, that i do not care much for the biblical account of the God entity.

However i do respect the biblical lords prayer and also jesus' rendition/interpretation of the prayer that he believes is the only prayer that speaks to the "heavenly father", which can be found within the channelings of the Padgett Messages, which i also find inciteful & informative, but, not quite on the money in some regards.

And the two prayers mentioned above, i find do relate strongly to the ten commandments which i also subscribe to.

Anyway thankyou for replying...Neil

SimpleMan 23-12-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
Hello simpleman..
You quoted my post #24, & then you wrote the above which after reading into it a little, i soon realized that it is nothing that i am remotely interested in.

I honestly do not believe that earthlings are evil, i only believe that earthlings are influenced by unloving beings without the flesh, unloving (discarnate) beings.

However i had only read a small amount, so maybe i am not on the money in my assumptions of the content within.

You also mentioned that the god of the bible exists. And i would reply by saying "YES I BELIEVE THAT ALSO", as i have mentioned in so many of my posts. Which by the way, so many people seem to over look.

Now i should say, that i do not care much for the biblical account of the God entity.

However i do respect the biblical lords prayer and also jesus' rendition/interpretation of the prayer that he believes is the only prayer that speaks to the "heavenly father", which can be found within the channelings of the Padgett Messages, which i also find inciteful & informative, but, not quite on the money in some regards.

And the two prayers mentioned above, i find do relate strongly to the ten commandments which i also subscribe to.

Anyway thankyou for replying...Neil


But from where these unloving and evil beings come? There's has to be a source for all the evil.. Can you tell me your view about the evil one? I don't want to bring evil into your life through our discussion, I just want to understand, I am sorry if I bother you... The new age belief states that the whole creation, good or bad, is already one with God, but such things are hard to believe.. why? How could God be evil when He is all good and He is love, I mean, He is love?

Neil, you know, you talked about leaving the world before the "appointed" time and this made me confuse because the God of the Bible says that such things should never happen...

sky 23-12-2018 04:31 PM

Still Waters opened up this Thread about the beautiful 23rd Psalm and we have Post after Post about evil and demons and satan etc: what a waste imo, sad really that an opportunity to explore the Psalm has been lost to most.

sky 23-12-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
Another favorite passage of mine from the 23rd Psalm is "He restoreth my soul". "Salvation" is not a matter of attaining anything. It's more a matter of discovering what has always been there --- one's original pure innocence in complete at-one-ment with God.



It sometimes seems that we are always looking for something that we already have. Mybe if we put more energy into looking within rather than without we would be wiser.

SimpleMan 23-12-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Still Waters opened up this Thread about the beautiful 23rd Psalm and we have Post after Post about evil and demons and satan etc: what a waste imo, sad really that an opportunity to explore the Psalm has been lost to most.


I am the one to blame, I had no intention, I just told people how I used this psalm when I was close to die... I don't want to spread evil, just the truth.

sky 23-12-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
I am the one to blame, I had no intention, I just told people how I used this psalm when I was close to die... I don't want to spread evil, just the truth.



If you look back at other Threads you will see for your self that you Post about evil/demons/satan quite a lot, not just in this one SM. Of course you can do what you choose to do but it's a very unhealthy way of thinking.

SimpleMan 23-12-2018 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
If you look back at other Threads you will see for your self that you Post about evil/demons/satan quite a lot, not just in this one SM. Of course you can do what you choose to do but it's a very unhealthy way of thinking.


I only tell people the truth... I talk a lot about God and Jesus too.I have this view that you can not tell someone the benefits without telling about the downsides.. because if you tell only one part of the story, you only do it for your agenda.What can I say... I have too many experiences with the evil one.. I have to tell people about them but I only do it in a certain context.

You would act just like me if you would meet the evil one.There are dozens of stories told by people who went to hell....

Anyway, as I said, I am doing it in a certain context.

sky 23-12-2018 06:37 PM

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For Thou art with me.




' Death is an illusion. Death is only the crossing over from one state of consciousness to another. It is the passing of one karmic responsibility on to another. It is the connection back to the etheric body that is the soul. It is actually life. '

' On Earth, another illusion is that evil exists. We observe that your negativity and terror are reality to you. What you do not understand is that you have created these processes through the powers of your own mind. '

sky 23-12-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
I only tell people the truth... I talk a lot about God and Jesus too.I have this view that you can not tell someone the benefits without telling about the downsides.. because if you tell only one part of the story, you only do it for your agenda.What can I say... I have too many experiences with the evil one.. I have to tell people about them but I only do it in a certain context.

You would act just like me if you would meet the evil one.There are dozens of stories told by people who went to hell....

Anyway, as I said, I am doing it in a certain context.




You tell people what YOU think is the truth, your truth thankfully is NOT my truth....


I won't be adding anymore to the evil/satan/demon conversations they don't enhance my life......

SimpleMan 23-12-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For Thou art with me.




' Death is an illusion. Death is only the crossing over from one state of consciousness to another. It is the passing of one karmic responsibility on to another. It is the connection back to the etheric body that is the soul. It is actually life. '

' On Earth, another illusion is that evil exists. We observe that your negativity and terror are reality to you. What you do not understand is that you have created these processes through the powers of your own mind. '


Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

If we talk about this psalm, should we not show it entirely? I remember myself doing the same thing... taking bits and pieces from the Bible and showing them in the light of my understanding.I am not yet prepared to talk about the Bible in a more detailed way, I am in a continuous process of studying it and I am very slow, but the meaning of this psalm is very clear...

You say that the truth I talk about is "my truth" created by my mind and yet you come and do the same thing, there's only one big difference, I believe in good and evil as being immutable, it does not matter what I think, what is good stays good and what is evil stays evil, and you believe in a relative good and in a relative evil, both being a product of our minds.Why should I trust my mind about such things when my mind is always "for me"? Should I not trust Jesus who is the only one who came from God and spoke to the whole world the Words of God? Jesus Himself spoke about Satan and death and hell and the lake of fire.I don't say that I am saint, I am not, far from it, I am working my salvation, though I know that God's grace is upon me, I know the truth.

Now, I can't understand how my "talks" about the evil one may affect a non believer... after all, you don't believe in Satan.

white pegasus 24-12-2018 06:49 AM

as much as I would prefer to ignore that evil exists-or tell myself it is an illusion-or tell myself that death is an illusion-I cannot as this is not true.

satan is real and his time is limited and he knows it-he is working as fast and as hard as he can to deceive destroy and kill people to take them to hell with him.

death is not as suggested by others the passing of one karmic lesson on to the next and reincarnation is not real.

please do not let yourselves be deceived by satans deception-he will take a kernel of truth and twixt it just a bit into a lie.

death is real-satan is real-evil is real............but take heart as Jesus told us that He has conquered satan and death-

ketzer 24-12-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Still_Waters

"Thou preparest a place before me in the presence of mine enemies."

...

However, he added, upon meditative reflection, he realized that he DID INDEED have enemies: Pride, lust, anger, greed, gluttony, envy, sloth. He then interpreted the passage to mean that he was placed in the presence of these internal "enemies" so that he could overcome them.


This interpretation reminds me of the book of Genesis. Adam wished to have the knowledge of good and evil so he could be "like God". So at the advice of the serpent, he ate from that tree. And so ended up getting sentenced by God to "Life", where there is both good and evil to experience and learn from. After all, if God is good, how can one choose to be good, if one does not know what it means to be good, and what it means to be evil?

Shivani Devi 27-12-2018 04:03 AM

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"Thou preparest a place before me in the presence of mine enemies."
An "enemy" in this regard, can simply be referred to as a "hater" or a "detractor" and many of us have those, even though they may not technically be an 'enemy'...but others may see you as an 'enemy' even though you don't see them in the same way.

So when the Lord "prepares a place", it means that one is made strong and pure enough to let the "Power and Word of the Lord" move through them, when faced with the 'haters' and with the 'detractors'...because if you act from a place of ego in your response, you can never win, because they want this...they anticipate this!

However, when one acts from a 'place of spirit' and nourished by the Grace of the Lord instead of the ego, whatever is said comes from the Lord/Heart and silences all the critics.


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