The spiritual conversation is difficult, and therefore, skillful
When we speak of the spiritual dimension of life, there is something truthful occurring within us as we explore deeper in ourselves.
Even though it's not a personal conversation, but a topical conversation, the nature of the subject requires us to be aware of our inner arisings, and it requires skills to move through these. If we talk about nice things, joke about and so forth, it's all smooth sailing because no one is required to encounter what is true of themselves. But the spiritual conversation reveals home truths, and that, as we already know, can be a stormy sea. If we speak seriously about the spiritual subject we are talking about the deepest aspect of ourselves, and therefore we encounter obstacles that 'stand in the way' so to speak. As navigating such obstacles requires a careful and gentle way, we would go about things in a similar way as we would thread a very fine needle. Just as this delicate task requires fullness of attention and care, so too does the 'spiritual task' I allude to. Rather than being nice and comfortable, this sort of discourse is truthful, and that can be discomforting because each one faces their own home truths. No one faces the home truths of anyone else, so psychoanalysing, accusing, and 'you language' in general does no good for anyone, and only presents risks of harm. Caveat being, complimentary remarks can be encouraging. As we speak more deeply on the spiritual dimension of us, we are bound to hit on obstacles which hold emotional contents in ourselves, which makes it a difficult topic, so it requires our best skills, both in how we transverse our inner worlds, and in our expressed conversation. |
I agree with your post a type of skill is needed. Part of that skill should be being able to speak with a person at a level they can understand best whatever that level is. There's nothing wrong with any level. Sometimes you really have get to know the person at least a little to communicate effectively.
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Yes, I'm not at all concerned with levels because this entails comparisons, which are really only undertaken to place ourselves somewhere within a status quo of our very own contrivance. The self-imagery and subject positioning of imagined others who occupy levels leads us to judge people and use them to orient our own identity. That would more probably impede self-knowing than create conditions conducive to it. |
I guess what i mean by levels for example i only speak and understand English. If someone tryed speaking to me in a different language i wouldn't be able to understand. It can be especially hard through typed communication. Thats not self imagery, or to make judgment. Same with people who speak the same language but at times there words mean slightly different things. I work with a lot of people who can't mentally or physically communicate well. It does take skill to be able communicate with these people. Thats not discrimination to adapt to them as needed. It just is what it is.
With talking spiritual yes its a very sensitive topic. Its a topic i learned to respect others beliefs and not to push my beliefs. |
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Laughing and joking and keeping things light with friends and loved ones can be as deeply spiritual as any human act. When I am laughing with all my heart, I am as true to myself as I can possibly be. Perhaps it's more just a question of conversational intensity and seriousness, rather than spirituality. |
Thanks for the thread Gem, |
All the more one should seek A true spiritual teacher/guru, any other source would just leads to disaster and/or postpone any real spiritual goal.
Not necessarily a skill, but the inherent ability to discuss from the soul exclusively. |
Humans are cute to teach what they think is aught.
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Very nicely said with many good points, as usual. Peace & blessings :hug3: 7L |
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Gem I think this is a great idea...I have been trying to do a bit of this myself lately on various threads. Just a few takers here and there thus far, LOL. I think it's good to say "it's okay" to say that this is going to be difficult at times. I have put stuff out there over time that was difficult for me personally. But it's when I get to the universal stuff that is personal for so many of us that some folks will really balk and start to bristle at me :D or drop like flies, hahaha. I acknowledge that this will be the case. I can take it. I really just want to hear what folks think and what their take on things are. That is where some courage and fortitude is required...it's harder than it looks. Peace & blessings :hug3: 7L |
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