Are we living in the end of times?
 

This world is beginning to worry me! The shootings, the disasters, and people on the internet cannot be happy and always complain and not to mention, are downright mean to others. I don't know what to say but I really don't see mankind being around for another 100 or so years, at the rate we're going. It's getting really bad. First of all, when I was around on the internet, back in my childhood and teenage years, the complaining was never this bad! I mean people still complained but they were more grateful. Nowadays websites like IMDb and IGN are filled with nothing but hate! Then we had a shooting Las Vegas and it was a 62 year old man! That last time an old man shot someone, was like 37 years ago in 1980; it was John Lennon. Anyways, I'm aware that there are multiple timelines and parallel realities and I hope when I reincarnate, I choose a different timeline and not the same one as 1988A-now, I hope 1988B and beyond isn't as bad as this. I remember in Back To The Future Part 2, they showed us a decent future. Too bad the actual future turned out to be not that great! Anyways, what are your thoughts on this?

I don't want to offend anyone here so I will try to be careful. But there is a religious turn of thought or belief system that believes that when the "End Times" happen with much degradation, tragedy, catastrophe, destruction....then Jesus Christ will return to Earth.
There seems to be even a welcoming of cataclysmic events and all the destruction that brings, because it is a harbinger of Christ's return.

In my heart I do not feel Jesus Christ would wish us to have to go through all that hell while he hovers there in the ether waiting to come back to us in physical form in some grand gesture.

He is already alive. He is with us as much as we attune to Him, and open our Hearts to Him.

To answer your question "Are these the 'End Times'?"
Gosh....how do I know? Yes some very very bad stuff is happening world wide. I cannot explain why. It certainly is a wake up call to anyone who has choice and is aware, to really work to get their act together to try to make this a better world.

May I just say that there have been times when things were much worse in the world that most of us here understand. I was a child in England during the war when bombs fell in the night, windows blew in and destruction was everywhere. Fire, death, blood running in the gutters, horror, fear.
Not only England of course but many other countries where it could be said Armageddon was taking place. But it wasn't. And it won't. It's all made up through man's wrong thinking.

And here's a good question; how will you know that it is Armageddon? I'm pretty sure the peoples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought it was if they had time to think during their last split seconds of mankind's most disgusting moment. But the two cities are back in business, better than ever. Not of course because of those weapons but because man's spirit rises again and again.

The world is a better place that it ever has been. Poverty and hunger is disappearing, medicine is improving- Look at China and India, they are starting to form their future, rising from poverty and dirt. There are lots of people everywhere who want to help and lots of people who do help. If our politicians would stop threatening and offer to help one another we'd begin to get somewhere. If we want it to change for the better then we'll have to do something about it. It's our problem and has nothing to do with an angry god or a devil.

Obviously there are those things that trouble our souls; forests being chopped down, plastic in the oceans, nature being destroyed - and all the rest. In some countries this is done in the name of 'freedom', but don't forget, we reap what we sow. That's fair enough.

Back in the 1970's I came to Faith and was visiting the Christian bookstores. I recall Hal Lindsay's "Late Great Planet Earth", wherein he described the end of days scenerio, not so much as an affirmative action against a rebelliant humanity, but a withdrawal of the Holy Spirit of God.
Which would involve largely the "Rapture", so called.

Wherein, the world would be bereft of the redeemed of God, and saved, including those in government who were of concience, and spiritual and moral compass.

My thoughts in later years was that this spiritual event would most likely occur during a man made event, of global impact, and scope.

What non believers ignore is that the invisible is the greater reality, not the visible and material world.
Even science attests to this today.

Meanwhile, though while the scriptures and prophecy tells us that incredible turbulence is goung to occur, that Jesus stated has never occurred, nor will again on earth, that there are verses in the Bible stating,
"World without end."

So, yes and no.

When you look around today, what do you see?

Yes and No indeed. How will each of those 8 billion Earth people know that Armageddon has (finally) struck if each one of those 8 billion can't see that some of the 7,999,999 others are all either being 'saved' or dying horrible deaths. Just being blown up on an underground train won't do the trick...

A wider view is clearly desired to suit the circumstances.

About 50% of them don't know what Armageddon 'represents' so while they are being tortured to death by burning or having their limbs ripped off they'll be in dire need of some express religious instruction. Carried out by loving angels maybe.

Mind you, I would understand when some of them (difficult to hazard a guess) would tell the loving god now appearing on the horizon after threatening them for 2000+ years to get lost.

I would.

Your obviously sarcastic reasoning is faulty, Busby.

I could go into it, or perhaps someone else would like to address his snarky response?

well i'm not sure what you were thinking but my own thought is, the problem isn't all the people who told god to just shove it... the problem is the myriad of people who claim to be on god's side but have no clue that they in fact quite aren't.

I'm perfectly happy with my reasoning Morpheus, nor do I look upon it as sarcastic but as a valid POV.

Well one thing is for sure, it's going downhill with humanity and the planet, and something is to be expected that may happen between now and anytime soon. You have to be ignorant and blind if you're going to deny this...

Good point. What's the difference between modern day, and times past in history?
Certainly not the violence in humanity. Nothing has changed there.
Rather, something people like Einstein, Feynman, and Oppenheimer were involved with.
Which takes things to the global level. Today after all, thanks to technologies, humanity is the global community.

But, Busby ought to consider some things.

Humanity is not primary. Nor the material world residing in space/time.
Nor is it of any consequence or import that some imagined humanity know or not if the time of the end is happening.

First of all, this is the 21st century wherein all of humanity have had the Good News declared to them. The Almighty can be trusted for this.
Secondly, Science again, also, and it's conclusions are widely known. So no one really has an excuse there either regarding willful ignorance.
Not when it's findings and conclusions are liberally declared in modern media.

Prophecy validates also that a program is running, of sorts, and no one should think that it will be denied. Divine prophecy transcends space/time.

Revelation 16:9
"And they were seared by the intense heat..."
16:11
"And they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."

Here is the example of humanity bringing upon itself what has been prophesied from thousands of years ago.

and yet god said 'if you will simply turn away from your evil ways, I will withhold even what must be'.

but noone wants to compare thinking that things MUST BE a certain way and the order of things CANNOT CHANGE to an 'evil way' so I guess we are stuck with what must be. shrugs

I'm not quite sure if humanity has had the Good News declared to them. Should this 'good news' be the Bible and its contents then I'm afraid lots of us Earth people wouldn't agree.

Nor am I sure about the conclusions you say have been reached (until now) by science. A little help would be appreciated here.

Should a prophecy programm be running (true to plan perhaps but maybe somewhat late) then it in itself is sufficient proof to show how any chance of human personal responsibility is just dust in the wind.

If it be so that it is of no consequence or import to the human race that 'the end of time' takes (is taking) place then that's just further proof that we are looked upon as objects of derision. Just as it was during the generations who lived up until 'the flood'. (A time and energy-wasting event as it led to no improvement (Obviously)). Should have been planned better. A question of logistics really.

ARE We At End Time
 

People Forget to like true. That mixes things up. Is all. So should "we" wori anymore, I'm afraid not

As stated. Willful ignorance.



I am. This is the 21st century. Nearly 100 years since Einstein.
And many a missionary have gone out. Even atheist communist countries have heard the Gospel.
And in the age of satellite transmission.


The issue of predestination, neglected even smong Christians, is an issue. I expect involving things of eternal consequence and actions.
Apart from time, and this temporary organic journey and manifestation.


When I say humanity is not primal, I speak of our true and actual personage, and situation, apart from the Matrix.
This involving the eternal, the spiritual, and angelic.

Hi Blake. I imagine that humans are always living in the 'end times' no matter what the year, what events take place, what natural disasters occur. For me I believe in thinking this way, I can look at all that happens in the world around me and have compassion for the human experience and the state of human existence. If I conduct myself like I have a lot of time to make things right as as a flawed person, then I might not make changes to be a better person. So I just say now is the end times and don't delude myself into thinking it will happen after I'm dead and gone, because there is a chance I would be wrong. I've got to make positive changes now.

You and I live in different worlds. In my case, from my vantage point I see mostly good things, good people, good intentions. It's true to say that those around me whether family, friends or neighbours are happy - or at least not unhappy. When I go down to the shops those people I see on the way down and back up if known or unknown always say 'Good Morning' or Hello. I'm always ready to help or to be helped, it's like that in my world.
We have a saying in my country that goes something like this - the way you shout in the mountains you'll hear as the value of your own echo.

I'm surprised to hear that there are multiple timelines and parallel realities - maybe you could tell us about them at some time.

You never know - maybe when you reincarnate you'll come back as a bearded Muslim fighting for your beliefs.

You can't tell can you. So better luck next time. It's up to you.

It's all bread and mayonaise as what about happens outty outty our control, "is
making sense". Bread and mayonaise more like what's on the table we all deliciously
eat right". That makes up the Trusted to be us, i think. Hopefully that builds sense.

We relax with the messy hair life or and whatever for ours is be accepted to Get messy too.

So far faith is the above has been and is and be nothing to wori about because
final book the apo is very directory imagination "and stuff only differs from that
relevance for the better." Ya heard.

Emanuel : you are lighter.

Emanuel : your reply # 18 de scared people, they better recognize.

boshy : like a what.

Emanuel : like an perdue.

boshy : thanks to us all pitching in.

Emanuel : accepteds.

Yes, we are living in the end of times, but it's going to take a hell of a long time before the end of times actually ends...and things will only get worse.

It's not about global events...we've had those...wars...the great depression...but even during such destruction, it helped bring people together through all the calamity and hardship...human nature was a bit different back then.

Now, if such a global recession/depression occurred, it would be 'every man for themselves' because the whole spirit of 'community' no longer exists. There's a lot more mistrust of our fellow man....and a lot more downright disregard for human welfare and the sanctity of life, but I guess that will happen when the planet has close on 8 billion people.

Respect and basic common courtesy has fallen by the wayside and there's definitely a lack of morals and ethical standards. People have become so selfish, they don't care who they hurt or inconvenience to get what they want, with the whole 'you snooze, you lose' mentality. Humankind is in a constant competition for basic amenities and resources and mother earth, Gaia is the unwilling victim in this and is retaliating with wild weather patterns all over the globe.

Sure, we've had wars...bad times...but now, everybody is at war with their neighbour...wars have become decentralised into urban geurilla ghettos.

As for the internet, it is totally disgusting to see the 'true nature' of humankind when the 'evil twins' of anonymity and entitlement are involved and sure, we may hear 'human interest stories' but they tend only to serve those who say "look, there IS some good still left in the world if you are prepared to run the whole minefield of human stupidity to find it".

This is only the START though...and it's winding down with entropic speed...the closer we get to 'doomsday' the faster and faster the cycle will spin until there's one straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back...and whether we end up destroying ourselves...whether there's another flood or ice-age...whether Jesus or Kalki comes and puts things right...whether we get blown up by 'Planet X' or a rogue meteorite...only time...and a lot of it...will tell.

It's called...KALI YUGA.

Go for it, top!

Emanuel : he is common. all good. all all there.

Dad,

Emanuel : your bread and mayonaise pumps gasolines.

Thanks to strong abouter writters.

Emanuel : amen. We are ok.

Apocalypsing is just bugering around.

According to the Torah we are living in the end of days.

We have most of the signs that are detailed in the Torah.

To be more clear, most of the outreach Rabbis that hold to Torah law regularly discuss how we are living in the end of days and that Jews need to return to keeping Torah law.

We are going through a period which suggests the end times as weather changes, horrific acts of violence in the US (which seem to be getting worse every year) where people have been killed in the hundreds in Las Vegas (this doesn't include injuries) and other acts of violence around the world has increased and other negative changes is evidence of this.

All these things have been happening since the dawn of time the reason it look worse now is because we have TV, internet etc: to report these atrocities and we know what is going on.
Because the population is growing compared to our Ancestors time then it looks as if it's worse, but looking back in history shows the world unfortunately has always been the same..

Are things 'seemingly' getting worse because we have the TV, Internet etc to report them or are things 'seemingly' getting worse because the TV and internet actually exists?

I mean, it's almost impossible to run a small business now, pay for overheads and compete with eBay, Wish.com and Gumtree as well as the larger department stores.

It's almost impossible to sort out the #fakenews #alternativefacts from the actual occurrences with everybody putting their own political spin on it.

...and I guess I'm getting old now, because everyone in my mother's 'senior citizens group' is blaming the internet and the media for destroying society and social values and I can only just nod my head in full agreement.

There seems to be a 'generational divide' between the over and under 50's, when maybe, back in our day 'what the eye didn't see the heart didn't grieve' but by the same token 'what the eye didn't see wasn't then publicised to all for 'copycats' and 'adverse notoriety/infamy' to occur' either.

Just some food for thought and nothing more.

I'm having a nice discussion with my Higher Self right now.

It seems that each generational divide is marked by a change in communications technology.

In the 'Silent Generation', the social and cultural divide was marked by the invention of 'wireless' and audio visual technology (TV) and yes, I often still refer to the radio as the 'wireless' to warm the cockles of the older gen.

In the 'Baby Boomer Generation' (of which I am a part), this divide was marked by the invention of Satellite Technology and the Internet, when we can recall the times of 'prior' and 'post'.

In the 'XYZ Generations' who knows what will divide the social classes? Maybe bio-implants or some form of Telekinesis and they will go "remember the internet? how ancient and archaic was that?"

*goes and plays with my old Atari and NES and listens to my cassette player to get all my 'ya yas' out*

I have three grandchildren. They would relate without any problem to your post simply because their world is a completely normal world. It's only strange to us aged.

:nike: What if it happened already, would you remember. Why play the world is ending game when you may have never truley lived.

Also, mark me down for a game of Duck Hunt and Blades of Steel Shivani Devi

Aboard their own mothership-cool :smile:

"Then there will be great tribulation, such as the world hasn't seen, nor will ever see again."
Jesus
Mathew 24:21

The "program" is writ. The conclusion is impending.

Buddy. ..go back and look at the history of the last 1000 years.....there's been periods of waaaay more tribulations then we have today!

I actually think we are living in a golden age right now!

Thanks for sharing your thought. Deluded as it may be.
I quoted scripture to you, from the Lord Himself.

This is a thread in the "Religion and Faiths" Sub Forum.

Your right though regarding the penchant of humanity, and regarding human nature. Evident in history.
Today though, we have high tech, "toys".

I am aware that this is posted in the "general religion" section....and are you aware that not everyone here prescribes to "Christian dogma" and has a different spiritual view point??

......In what way is it deluded??? And the the fact that we live in a golden age of prosperity and peace doesn't necessarily have to do with "high tech toys"

In spite of what you see on TV we live in extremely peaceful times now compared to centuries ago....people live far longer and and are far healthier on average than at anytime in human history.

Unlike centuries ago when all wealth was concentrated in the hands of a very few lords and kings....every one else was a destitute peasant starving and sick and lucky to live much past 30 years old and maybe 2 out of 5 children made it past there first or second birthday......almost everyone in the world these days....even the very poor have a place to live, modern healthcare and food to eat and the chance to live to ripe old age and have fulfilling lives......not so in centuries past!

Why?? Because these days we take care of our poor to an extent never known before in the history of human civilization.

Today almost everyone in the world has the opportunity to receive an education and to go as far in life and do as much as we care to strive for....not so in days of old!!!!

So yes....we live in a golden age....and like any golden age it may not be perfect and might have a few ills......but it is a golden age none the less.

Lucky 1 Please stop being so positive about things, you are spoiling the day for some people. My aunty May for instance, she's been convinced a couple of times that the world is coming to an end and even went up onto a mountain with lots of others to partake in the glory of being right. So spouting positive stuff will only get her worked up.
Any Armageddon will come too late for me if things go on like this (not getting on with it I mean). I'm old so it'll maybe help me to get to those pearly gates quicker than would be normal. (Assuming that I'll get as far).
The point is that I've had a very good life and although I'm on my own now I still love to get out of bed in the mornings. This morning (I'm sorry to say) the sky was a lovely blue and the whole land was covered in fresh snow. It looked lovely and once again I realised how lucky I am and how lucky I have been. Aunty May wouldn't have been pleased.
Had there been an earthquake and a couple of plane crashes or maybe even a mass shooting somewhere then aunty May's day would have started off better than mine.
There are a couple of things that seriuosly trouble me though, especially now it's edging towards Christmas and the season of goodwill and so on. That's the pictures and reports everywhere of destruction and death, of famine and despair of people unloved and unwanted through no fault of their own. Victims of guns and bombs made to a great extent in (dare I say it) professed Christian countries by people who for a few days will be putting down their armament-making tools to raise a joyous glass to the meaning of the season. The coming plan in all those countries is of course to make bigger and better bombs in 2018, and nowhere, not in Canterbury, Rome, New York or anywhere else does anyone stand up and say STOP.

Let's bring peace and prosperity and freedom to the afflicted nations of the Earth by BOMBING them. That'll do the trick. They'll all think it's Armageddon, brought on by themselves by not following the GOOD NEWS.

Depends mainly on location. Yes? You're speaking, largely, of free western countries which have progressed, flourished and prospered due to freedoms advocated, and allowed, by Christian minded leaders and thought.

When you find a food pantry or soup kitchen, caring for the poor, who do you usually find it sponsored and hosted by, in America?

Although... it would be a mistake to specifically cite
one country, or even hemisphere.
Wouldn't it.

"Buddy".

I never said anything about western countries or any one country in particular.

Excepting some really bad places...North Korea pops into my mind immediately.... humans as a rule are doing better and are better off now then at any time in history since our species crawled from the primordial ooze 200,000 years ago in western Africa.

I include third world countries in this......and I've traveled to a bunch of them...

So back to the subject of this thread.....if tribulations are the yard stick you use to predict the end.....we've already passed up the worst of times humans have experienced a looong time ago!

I love the positivity. With regards to individual belief, I've often said we have a choice in every moment: believe the best, or believe the worst. I believe the best because why would anyone freely choose to believe the worst?