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neverbethesame 08-09-2011 12:02 PM

Does the unborned baby has a soul?
 
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

Medium_Laura 08-09-2011 12:04 PM

A hard question because each is different. Some may, some may not.

How my guides explain it to me is this. A soul can choose to enter the body at any time in conception. They may choose to go through this death for reasons solely their own or for the sake of the parents (lessons). Some do not enter the body at all.

So in a nutshell, there is no answer that is absolute. As for what happens to the soul, it returns to the Other Side, just as you and I will. Maybe it will come back to the same parents at a different time or not at all.

NeutralKid 08-09-2011 12:05 PM

im not sure if they have a soul or not but if they do, the soul would have to start a new life somewhere else wouldn't they? :)

neverbethesame 08-09-2011 12:30 PM

There is no indicator on how to know if there any soul in it. No indicator at all even for the mother that carries the baby?

bekins 08-09-2011 12:35 PM

If you agree that everyone has not only a physical body and a soul but has many bodies in the different dimensions, well, it's not that easy.
I think that he will wait until each other body dies to start a new life :/
That's why I think abortion is a bad thing..

Maiya 08-09-2011 12:40 PM

neverbethesame, :hug3:

I too have had the experience of seeing a baby be born dead - still born. My first grandchild. I do believe they have a soul and that they simply return home to await another chance to visit again. Things go wrong, things happen that prevent a baby being born. These things are normally no one’s fault. I also believe that the babies soul, having no experience of an earthly existence this time around, returns home quite happily. :smile:

BlueSky 08-09-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?


I can't answer this but I will share something:
When my wife was pregnant with our first daughter, I picked a name out that I liked. She told me we should pick another cuz that was the name of her older sister who died at birth.
I never knew of this.
Months later my daughter was born on the same day as this girl and not only that but my wife suffered similar complications as her mother however everything went fine.
So I picked her name and she was born on the same day!
Life is certainly a mystery........:smile:

I'll also add that I have 3 daughters and each exhibited traits way before we had a chance to mold in new ones. They were unique at birth in so may ways.

bekins 08-09-2011 12:45 PM

If it happens from itself, it's ok. I agree ;)

Spirit Guide Sparrow 08-09-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

The spirit attaches the etheric thread to the first two cells which form after fertilisation. This can be observed by the aura which is then emitted from the pairing of those two cells. This aura, or glow, is the result of consciousness merging with the biological cell, which incidentally can be observed with specific technological apparatus.

While it is true this etheric thread is connected to the spirit identity, the human persona, or the human soul has not yet formed. The human soul is something which gradually accumulates and grows as the biological organism grows, it is not something which is already in its mature state like that of a fully grown adult. With this said it is purely consciousness, which is extended from the spirit, which is said to be ‘lost’ during a miscarriage. However, consciousness is never lost. If the parent experiences a miscarriage the consciousness of the unborn child is drawn back into the spirit world where its spirit resides, or it will inhabit another form of organism of another dimensional frequency.

Nothing has died as a result of a miscarriage, what is lost is an opportunity for life to come through that particular doorway of physical state. It makes matters worse when the parent places ownership over another form of sentient life and results in unnecessary grief.

Be at peace in your heart.
-Sparrow

Animus27 08-09-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

It all depends on who you ask: I know that in Tibetan Buddhism tradition says that the soul descends into the womb on the 40th day after conception (or at least that's what I remember hearing; could be inaccurate). And if I recall correctly, many sects of Judaism believe that the soul enters the body upon the first breath at birth. Which is something I'd suspect is held by many other cultures, since the word for spirit and wind/breath tend to be the same.

There's also the more fundamental question - what defines a soul, and how much does a person's brain need to be developed in order to 'have' one? Or does a soul come into existence after birth, etc.

Skye 08-09-2011 01:51 PM

Those enlightened and highly evolved spirit teachers in the world of spirit, tell us every human being has a soul. A baby that has miscarried will continue to grow and go on to learn things in the spirit world, just like they would have done in the physical world.

krishna 08-09-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

The soul joins at the moment of conception.
Unborn,the soul goes back to the astral plane.
Light and grace.
Krishna

theophilus 08-09-2011 04:05 PM

Since life begins at conception the unborn baby must have a soul. If there is a miscarriage it can never be guilty of sin and so it would go to be with God in heaven.

mac 08-09-2011 08:59 PM

Sparrow has given a full explanation which is in concurrence with anything I would have said.

mac 08-09-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theophilus
Since life begins at conception the unborn baby must have a soul. If there is a miscarriage it can never be guilty of sin and so it would go to be with God in heaven.


Sin is purely a human notion hence no soul is subject to any of the consequences that humankind may attributes to it.

Felynx 09-09-2011 12:14 AM

Well from my understanding the soul enters at a certain period in the childs development. Its usually around the second trimester that a soul can occupy the developing body. The energy of the child changes and you can feel it more so becoming alive, thats how I know.

forevergirl 09-09-2011 03:24 AM

This is a very interesting topic to me personally since I was told I had a miscarriage about 3 months along but I just thought I skipped a period but my body took on a few of the signs but what is strange, I don't remember having sexual relations with anyone then, I wasn't involved with anyone.

I no I didn't get drunk at a college party, etc...

The person who told me I had a miscarriage was a reader in New Jersey. She said my son was standing next to my Dad behind me in spirit and that my Dad was taking care of him.

Does anyone sense a child around? Thank you! :hug2:

Aquarian 09-09-2011 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Medium_Laura
A soul can choose to enter the body at any time in conception. They may choose to go through this death for reasons solely their own or for the sake of the parents (lessons). Some do not enter the body at all.

This is my understanding.

From auras, I can detect pregnancy and various stages enroute such as:
1. Energy gathering (sperm takes a few hours to reach egg).
2. Conception which may not lead to implantation.
3. Implantation which may later be reversed by the body.
4. Soul descent after 20 weeks but sometimes not at all - which causes some cases of SIDS.

@Felynx, did you perceive any soul descent prior to 20 weeks?

@forevergirl, this is a delicate area and the statement "that my Dad was taking care of him" doesn't give me much confidence that your reader was qualified to comment.
Souls are immortal. We have had thousands of lives and thus hundreds of families.

I'm not qualified either, especially without personal contact. I only have to think of sensing chlldren's spirits and hundreds flock to me...

sadmummy 09-09-2011 06:45 AM

hi
 
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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?



Hi I had to make a terrible choice and lost my baby at 22 weeks pregnant 3 weeks ago, I have to believe my baby has a soul so one day we can meet again.:smile:

Twinflamefound 09-09-2011 07:10 AM

All I know is what I feel and experience. I have been told twice by different people that I lost a baby. It must have been early on as I never noticed it.

After my second child, when I would pack her baby bag, I would for some reason prepare to pack for another baby. When in the shops, I would round up my two children and always look for the third.
When people ask how many kids I have, I would go to write or say, three, when in fact I have only two.
I also 'hear' someone call mum sometimes, or hear a laugh.
Early this morning I dreamed the baby (who looked like my youngest as a baby) put it's hand out for me to kiss it's fingers, like they do as babies.
When I awoke I could still feel the baby's fingers on my lips. It was a beautiful feeling.
So in my case, I think yes, but I guess everyones case is different?

Twinflamefound 09-09-2011 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sadmummy
Hi I had to make a terrible choice and lost my baby at 22 weeks pregnant 3 weeks ago, I have to believe my baby has a soul so one day we can meet again.:smile:



Big hugs to you :hug2:

Medium_Laura 09-09-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian
This is my understanding.

From auras, I can detect pregnancy and various stages enroute such as:
1. Energy gathering (sperm takes a few hours to reach egg).
2. Conception which may not lead to implantation.
3. Implantation which may later be reversed by the body.
4. Soul descent after 20 weeks but sometimes not at all - which causes some cases of SIDS.

@Felynx, did you perceive any soul descent prior to 20 weeks?

@forevergirl, this is a delicate area and the statement "that my Dad was taking care of him" doesn't give me much confidence that your reader was qualified to comment.
Souls are immortal. We have had thousands of lives and thus hundreds of families.

I'm not qualified either, especially without personal contact. I only have to think of sensing chlldren's spirits and hundreds flock to me...


That can be exactly true Aquarian. :) I've heard from some "children" spirits that they didn't enter at all, some only for 3 months came into the womb and left before their birth, etc. I believe, like us, the situations are personal and individual. I KNOW when the souls entered my children, as some other posters have said, as a mother, you FEEL it. It's also termed "the quickening". Like tiny butterfly wings in your womb. I lost 3 babies, I never had the "flutter" with them. For my 2 living children, my son came in at 4.5 months along and my daughter... the late bloomer came at about 6.5 months along. Funny too she is impatient where my son is very laid back :P

Skye 09-09-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sadmummy
Hi I had to make a terrible choice and lost my baby at 22 weeks pregnant 3 weeks ago, I have to believe my baby has a soul so one day we can meet again.:smile:


Sorry to hear of your recent loss sadmummy, please accept my sincere condolences during this sad and difficult time.

Keep your belief strong, for I know you will be reunited with your unborn baby when it is your time to pass into the world of spirit.

Take care.

Seperate_Reality 09-09-2011 10:53 PM

I personally don't think you have anything to worry yourself about here...

A full term pregnancy is actually 40 weeks, but it is considered relatively safe to go into labor 2 or 3 weeks prior to that. As a rule, a spiritual being will take a body a few days or a few hours before birth. Maternity wards are full of spiritual beings looking for new baby bodies to operate again, so as to get back into the physical world game. Long term abortions are the "evil" ones.

Also, as a rule, each of us on this planet have been together before in past lifetimes and will be again in future lifetimes, mother this life, father, brother, child, friend, teacher, etc. next lifetime and so on. The problem being, we each forget from one lifetime to the next...

Lynn 09-09-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?


Hello


I personally feel the Soul comes in from the first moment of conception. Now that is not where I feel that being "alive" comes into play. More that the role for that Sou's learning path starts. Maybe that not fully coming to be is part of that journey for both the unborn and the one that is pregnant.

I had an early mischarrage and I was rencently told it was a boy....It was too early even to tell that much from a medical level, but getting that information made sense to me on many levels as I way the old old TV Show " My Three Son's" right after I had me second ( and I thought last baby ).

So what do one's connect with if there was no Soul present....I have to say there was.


Lynn

Thinker108 10-09-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

Yes, definitely he has a soul, state of a unborn child, is a very mysterious state. He has no mind but he feels happiness and sorrow.

Aquarian 10-09-2011 10:51 PM

Interesting that > 1/2 the people stating when soul descends all say roughly the same thing/time. ;)

Racer X 11-09-2011 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?



Often times an Entity is not ready to enter into this world and thus a miscarriage occurs. NO death other then a relative perception of death has occurred. You may get pregnant again and the same child my be born in a different body. Nothing REAL is ever lost. I do understand the feeling of emotional pain which goes with this ........I am sorry for your loss~ It caused me great pain to experience the loss of two children~


Do not worry about the unborn child, it will come into the world when ready. Do take care of your Self, grieve without repressing the emotion and then seek the answers to the questions you are asking through ......hmmmm....I Know a good book which will shed some light on this for you: "The Edgar Cayce Companion by B. Ernest Frejer"

Divine Blessings..............:hug2::smile:

Emmalevine 12-09-2011 07:12 PM

My niece lost her baby at around 21 weeks pregnant almost exactly a year ago. I visited two different mediums shortly after this and was told by each of them that a baby in the family had recently died. I also had a wonderful dream where the baby was in the form of a Red Indian child. While I can't obviously know any details about when the soul merges with the developing foetus, I am very sure that my niece's baby has a soul that is either waiting to be born again (my niece is pregnant again) or to watch over her mother.

mac 12-09-2011 08:49 PM

"It makes matters worse when the parent places ownership over another form of sentient life and results in unnecessary grief."

Indeed it does but that's often the nature of humankind.

The parenting instinct isn't necessarily deliberately, though, one of ".....ownership over another form of sentient life" that is to say, the intended child. Without some understanding of the spiritual aspects of life it is hard to 'let go' the one whose existence (for some parents at least) they planned and who they expected to stay with them. On this I speak with personal experience.

Grief is never "
unnecessary" however and neither would it be avoidable even if we knew all there was to know about life and life in the so-called hereafter.... Grief is instinctive and it's arguable that it actually is necessary.

But that's another issue altogether.
:hug3:

Medium_Laura 13-09-2011 11:55 AM

I also wrote a book about the Other Side - it is through automatic writing.

A Bridge to the Other Side - Medium Laura Evans

mac 13-09-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Medium_Laura
I also wrote a book about the Other Side - it is through automatic writing.

A Bridge to the Other Side - Medium Laura Evans


Was this book about the topic, the soul of an unborn child?

Turtle83 18-09-2011 01:47 AM

Yes I believe they have a soul. They have personality and it brings up the topic of also reincarnation!?

mac 18-09-2011 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle83
Yes I believe they have a soul. They have personality and it brings up the topic of also reincarnation!?


already covered....

Scottmana 18-09-2011 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by neverbethesame
Does an unborned baby that died by miscarriage has a soul? What happen to them after that?

A baby has 9 months to find and stick a soul. If it fails some organs will not function correctly. Or if the soul is unwilling to live in the body it can sabotage the internal functions to kill the unborn.

There can be a few reasons for why the body will not form correctly. The inability to get along being the most common.

Skye 18-09-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottmana
A baby has 9 months to find and stick a soul. If it fails some organs will not function correctly. Or if the soul is unwilling to live in the body it can sabotage the internal functions to kill the unborn.

There can be a few reasons for why the body will not form correctly. The inability to get along being the most common.


I'd love to know where you got this information from? Sounds more like a horror movie.

Smiler 18-09-2011 12:55 PM

Hi ..my view is ...the soul knows pre -birth it's destiny ..so is prepared.
I believe it is a highly evolved soul that selects this path .( meaning the baby).

Love and Respect
:) xo

mac 18-09-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skye
I'd love to know where you got this information from? Sounds more like a horror movie.


He doesn't have the first clue, B.....

Skye 19-09-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mac
He doesn't have the first clue, B.....


It looks that way mac :hug3:

Tysklar 20-09-2011 02:56 AM

IMO - Obviously an unborn baby has soul, albeit immature, the potential is certainly there.
Our soul comes from our parents, it looks exactly like we do now, except exists on a Spiritual Plane (dreamscape). The soul manifest the physical body.
As We live and experience Reality the soul unfurls, growing and resonating in both This Realm and The Dreamscape (the dreamscape is manifest through sensation of experience/Life/Living in this realm, by acquisition of information through the bodily senses).

So... The Soul is manifesting the body and the body is manifesting The Dreamscape, where the Soul lives.


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