Pushed back into the body
 

Some months ago I had an experience where many hands were trying to pull me outside my body.

Recently, I had an experience where many hands were trying to push me back into the body as I was trying to float out of my body. I mean, many, my room was filled with "beings" if you will, and they all were pushing me back.

In both cases I could not see a thing but I could feel the hands, hear those beings talking and sense their presence.

This is quite strange, I was not allowed for some reason to leave the body..

Use your mind to change the hands into something else. You are more powerful than the beings. For it to work you must believe you will succeed and to be very determined it will work.

@ThatMan it happens. When I tried to project to the moon I was held back by beings too. It's probably for our own safety who knows. What is interesting, wait till when you are AP and you get highjacked. Now that is something else.

Yes, that's the thing, as I was floating out, I was being pushed back. I often see the Moon when I meditate and I do not think about it, maybe it's a subconscious thing to be pulled towards the Moon, I mean, in my case, don't know.

Maybe there's truly something about the Moon, some mystery. I managed a few times to AP to the Moon and did not see anything in particular.

That is a very good advice, I go with intent, that's the drive behind how I control an AP, thank you!

I finally broke free and left my body, which is quite a rarity nowadays, amazing, amazing feeling to fly and be free from all the limitations of matter, and once again I was given a test and I failed and once again I more or less was told that if I don't pass the test, then no conscious OBEs for me.

can you share what the test was like?

i was told different things about the moon but don't know how accurate they are. One is that it isn't a meteor it is a spaceship with an inside. It was brought here from far, far away and set into orbit around us with a specific purpose in mind. And there is a 'man in the moon' who is one of us and is kinda pure and pulls the puppet strings in this reality, trying to find a way to make it better. But he doesn't ever quite know how lol...

Supposedly I went there once, and got to play with the machinery... but... the whole situation was so awful from what I had to do to get there to what happened when I was there, that quite frankly none of it is of interest to me even though the machinery is probably cool lol... I would much rather laze around here and get absolutely nowhere than go through that mess again.

another thing i was told about the moon is that the reason we haven't been back is because the aliens met the astronauts there and told them there would be dire consequences if we didn't stay away... I've been wondering whether that has changed, or whether those in charge are starting to get the cahones to try to stand up to something they really really can't stand up to.

on astral i'd rather have the real thing than fly around out there. I've been keeping it at arms length though (foolish grin).

@FallingLeaves My day to day thoughts are taking over me when I leave the body and I can't control this and so about a year ago I was more or less told that if this still happens I will not have more OBEs. I am making a very slow progress with this but the progress is there. Just to give you an idea, once I created an entire city whose population was made of girls and every one of them was naked. The problem is that this is taking over me there and I end up waking up right away.

When I meditate, the Moon is among the very first images that appear in that blackness, in fact, there are periods when 9/10 sessions of meditation start with me closing the eyes and right away seeing the Moon. It's like an OBE, I find myself floating over an area of the Moon and observe it.

yeah that is a problem i guess, to be able to be in control the way you see you can, you have to first be in control of yourself and your own body and your own brain I guess. Because I suppose if you are going to do like the rest of us and let things run on auto-pilot and just arrange things according to the way the culture always admires anyway, then what is the point of letting you do stuff? Any monkey can do that!

At some point I decided I didn't like the life I had when I was trying to run around trying to 'get control' though so now I let the man in the moon or whoever wants to go there next or whoever is really in control run things rather than try to go to the effort of doing it myself.... In some ways it is a big leap of faith, not trying to get something that seems so very desirable. In other ways it can be very freeing. At least for me...

@FallingLeaves Yes, that's the thing, did not use to have such problems but you know, life, the cycles, I am riding on an older cycle that came back much more stronger. I have read your last replay regarding the cycles and been thinking and meditating a bit more on this to get a deeper perspective, if maybe, a message or two.

The thing is that based on my experiences, everything is decided prior to coming into this world( it is happening right now, the planning ) by each one of us so ultimately there's no one at the buttons, it only it appears so, and we are just playing a long for the shake of this human experience.

i believe that is true, but I also believe it is only because, we find it so compelling to act in some predetermined way rather than step out on our own that we are willing to play-act through the entirety of life as we know it. Rather than actually make changes that we would like to make. Changes seem dangerous... So anyway sometimes we choose plays that will educate us in some way... Which all that means to me, that although I believe it true, I also believe it doesn't HAVE to be true. That itself is a matter of choice.

My own personal thought is that where this is going, what everything is coming down to, is, that one day we will be more comfortable stepping away from all the scripts at least sometimes and somehow someway being a little more authentic to ourselves rather than be so very accountable to everyone else all the time.

At least that is my own hope :smile:

@FallingLeaves Even if you step out on your own, that is also part of the predetermined plan, for the whole planning is happening in "real time", right now. At least this is what my experiences showed me again and again, this may be just my perspective on the play of existence and not how things are.

part of it for me is, we have all these feelings, and we take them seriously, and of course there is a 'feeling' that means one is 'stepping out' just like there is a feeling for anything else we might intend to do, and of course there are ways of cultivating that feeling so in the end having that feeling becomes the same as having any other feeling, you predetermine you are going to have it and so you have it.

just having that feeling that means I am 'stepping out' has nothing to do with the 'stepping out' I am interested in. That feeling just gets lumped in with all the other feelings in that it is just another way to manipulate reality to get what one thinks one wants...

To me this is more than a feeling but I also do know the feeling, I know the "play", I played in this script many times, probably like most of humanity.