I really, really, really hope...
 

The past, present and future are all happening at once and I'm not just limited to forwards only reincarnation! This whole coronavirus thing has sucked out any renaming optimism I had left, for the future.

Calm down, after about a year or so the virus will probably die out just like the swine flu of ten years ago. That, or the virus mutates and turns everyone into zombies.

If the latter happens, I'll definitely have no choice but to reincarnate into the past!

You're young and have a lot to look forward. Don't focus on negatives!

Find out why you are here, and pursue the plan that brought you here.

Anyway, the past wasn't better, it is sometimes idealized because it is embellished.

As they say: wherever you go, there you are! Now you are here. :smile:

Why not reincarnate into the future after a cure is found?

the future looks ugly but honestly the past isn't any better. I vote for staying in the present...

Of course if one doesn't want to go to one of the futures, nor any of the pasts, then there are many present worlds to choose from as well. But before heading out for greener pastures, one might ask themselves why they choose this world for this particular incarnation in the first place.

personally i didn't choose it; I'm being punished. But I much prefer this than trying to go to the effort to find someplace better...

What if you aren't punished by anybody and anything, but your belief that you needed punishment (for whatever reason) is what limits you from enjoying a better present?

The thing is, I want to be a girl in the timeline where I grew up as a boy (1990s) and I don't want to experience this "growing up" stuff and life experiences in the 22nd century. It would be way too different not as good as far experience goes.

A bit late for that don't ya think?:D

P.S. If I was a zombie and ate your brain, would it be like all black and bitter? :tongue:

How do you know you wouldn't like being a zombie? It doesn't seem too complicated, and you never need to decide what you want to have for lunch, it always brains.

Sounds like you might like being a zombie. You should give it a try, well, you don't really need to try as far as I can tell, so it sounds right up your ally. Except, how do feel about brains.... as a menu item?

I doubt that. All I just know is my next life better be a parallel of this life, with the same family, except I'm now a girl and my former self/incarnation is my twin brother, therefore making me my own brother.

Think of the show, Quantum Leap, or maybe even Rick and Morty. The QL idea sounds about right but R&M also deals with parallel universes as well.

You want to be your own brother? Well, everybody has their view of the ideal life, but that one is a new one to me. Why the obsession with reliving this life? If reincarnation is a reality, then you may have already lived countless lives. How do you know once you are there and deciding who or what to be next you won't find something else a bit more interesting.

This timeline we live in sucks! Of course I want a do-over but coming back as myself would be pointless. So why not someone else and that someone else who doesn't even exist within this timeline. Also, I could see this life as the opposite gender, without inhabiting the body of a family member who already exists in this timeline. I mean, I would probably commit suicide if I was to be reincarnated forward in time. I do not want that at all! Our world is already getting bad enough.

I just want to add, every timeline sucks. Not specifically this one. A long time ago the average citizen enjoyed watching the very sight of someone getting brutally executed in public or tortured, or forced to participate in a game of life and death in a Colosseum, and not ONE person stood up against this inhuman practices. To most it was the same as watching a game of soccer. Or perhaps would you want to reincarnate back in the early 1900s and live through the first and second world wars? Be careful what you wish for, pal.

I don't even want to go back that far. The 1990s was my childhood in this life, so I want it to be no different, for my next life.

I don't care what it takes, I DO NOT want to have anything to do with the future, in my next life! Be it late 21st or early 22nd century, I don't care.

It's like technology is making us worse, instead of better. Also, I have a general idea of what the dark ages were like. No life nor timeline is perfect.

Do you honestly think I would be content with reincarnating into the future? Maybe if it was 2008 and I was still a young, carefree 20 year old, but not in 2020, where I'm an older, worried 32 year old who has seen things get progressively worse, over time and seeing no light at the end of the tunnel just seals the deal.

Give me an idea of how my mind might change to want to have a different life to reincarnate into that would be "something else a bit more interesting". Because nothing would be better than re-living this same life and time period as a girl, within the same family, again. It's what my soul wants!

Just because I say I want to reincarnate as a girl, doesn't mean I don't enjoy being a boy. That's where the whole twin brother and sister thing comes into play.

What about Bill Murray in Groundhog day. He kept coming back as himself until he got the point. Maybe you are doomed to repeat this life until you get it's point. Ever think about that?

I wouldn't mind that, actually. As long as each incarnation doesn't get worse and darker than the last. But coming back as a different family member each time, is more my thing. I really want to see a version of this reality where I had a twin sister and I was actually her. Maybe I would be like Mabel from Gravity Falls.

I see were you're coming from and I feel the same way regarding the future. But what can be done about it? That's right, nothing. We are either subject to a tyrannical deity that takes great delight in suffering, or we are subject to the chaotic lawlessness of the universe, which is straight point Darwinism. I think we have only one life to live, and the best thing to do would be to try to make the best of it.

If reincarnation is real or not is up for debate (I'm personally very sceptical about it to be honest) but you may have a better chance in the future, if mankind at some time faces a turning point and makes a drastic change after some 'awakening' event took place. But unfortunately, this is just hopeless New Age optimism and wishful thinking as I truly doubt mankind will ever change. Forget about this peaceful Age of Aquarius nonsense where we're having a beer at an intergalactic pub with our space buddies.

And yet somehow through all of this inexplicable evil life still goes on. People still fall in love, find moments of happiness and joy, find beauty and meaning. Perhaps only insane people are happy and want to go on living????

What's the point in life, if reinarnation isn't real? I guess there wouldn't be one and all life is therefore meaningless and I doubt we have a God that enjoys torture. Why force someone to live a life they don't want? That's why people like Hitler existed, if that's the case.

People also find joy and happiness in the darkest things. A serial killer would pretty much find beauty and meaning with cutting someone to shreds. Love? You mean that romantic couple sitting by the lake? Deep underneath the surface they don't love each other at all. The only possible reason they are in ''love'' is for personal gain. Be it wealth, lust, or simply just for the sake of having kids. The Disney type love is not real. You wanna know where hell is? Not deep down in the Earth's core as religious fundamentalistic nutjobs believe, but it is right here among us and people are the devils.

Why force someone to live a life they don't want?

God: It's free real estate :D

Hell is within oneself. They create it either with their perception, interpretations, and their thoughts, or even literally within their consciousness. If one rejects the reality of the light, or insists there can be no light until all is only light, then all they will experience will be a reality composed of the darkness. The light is of course still there, but they refuse to look at it and see it, and object to anyone who points to it as being naive or pollyannish. People are both angels and devils, both reside within the range of expression of each human being. Learning what that means, and how to express oneself, I expect is one reason we incarnate into a world of good and evil. If one wishes to acquire the knowledge of good and evil, they must become thoroughly acquainted with both, without, as well as within.

I don't know what the point would be. I don't subscribe to the traditional western christian belief that we are created at conception, get one shot at life, and if we get it wrong we are doomed for eternity.

I don't expect that we are limited in our prior or subsequent experiences to life on one tiny planet, as one particular life form, on one linear unbranching timeline of events. IMO, time is eternal, all of eternity exists in the present moment, always has and always will. There are infinitely many worlds and an infinity of experiences for the soul to experience, the vast majority of which I expect are beyond the current comprehension of the limited human mind. Yet, it is my currently limited human mind I do my thinking with. If I wish to comprehend any further, I must open my mind and look beyond my own thoughts, and my own assumptions of what is true or false, what is good or evil. I expect the soul understands far more, and absorbs far more from the life experience, than that limited human mind ever could.

Anyway, my point is don't limit your vision of what you might be capable of creating in your next experience based on what you find wrong with this one. Don't let you past be your sole determiner of your future. When one looks back on a lifetime, even before they have finished it, one often sees how those "bad" aspects and experiences were often the most beneficial to ones growth in wisdom and understanding. However, one will never see this if all they ever focus on is how awful and unfair life can be. There is beauty and meaning in everything, lightness and darkness are both there, don't only focus on the one to the exclusion of the other and believe the next life is your opportunity to fix things and make it all balance out again. IMO, life works, and it is working now, even if it doesn't seem that way to that limited human mind.

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Maybe to a certain degree do we ''create'' our own heaven or hell, but it depends on the circumstances. As to simply look at the light that is supposedly always there is not how it works for everyone. If such are your beliefs then I respect it, but I know as a fact that there is a lot more going on than just that. Some individuals are exposed to different experiences that you could only ever comprehend if you were standing in their shoes, and if you did, you'd definitely see the other picture. Do you know what it would take for someone to reject the reality of light? To have reached past your limit. To have reached out to the light time after time, only to see the light fade away and have your hopes utterly crushed. Such things happen, and this is why I'm more inclined to believe Earth is closer to hell than it is to heaven.

Besides that, I do agree that people can be angels as well. To me the closest thing that resemble angels the most are close friends who are always there for you. But the idea of ''real'' angels with wings and halos is the biggest load of bullsh#t I've ever heard.

I don't mean to imply that there is only light either. Only that there is both and we have some choice in which we devote our attention to. That which we experience becomes a part of us, and if we experience too much darkness, too early in life, then often we become sensitized to always be looking for that darkness, if only to avoid being taken in by it again. Such is the instinct to avoid danger and survive. Yet there is more to the life experience than survival, there is beauty and meaning there alongside the darkness, that which helps to give one a will to survive. One can often see it right through the darkness and even within that darkness itself.

I have gone through many experiences in life, even a few that stand out beneath all of the rest as grindingly unfair and cruel, and I have realized it is not worth trying to get another to understand what it was like to live them. Even if they could put themselves in my shoes and go through it all exactly as I did, they could not understand what I experienced. They are not me. They are just another wearing my shoes. And yet there is a lesson there for anyone to learn. That which we experience is not composed only of what is there or the events, but what we bring into the experience is a major factor in what we find there as well as what we take away. All experiences in life, even the darkest of the dark, still show us an image of what we are inside, something useful to see, I think.

I have been reaching for the light all my life, and have been disappointed time and again, until I no longer think that reaching for the light is the point, though I suppose we are driven to do so to some extent. These days I spend more time trying to notice and appreciate the light that reaches me on its own. I have found that there is a good deal more light there then I first thought. That I had failed to notice it as I was obsessed with the light I was reaching for. The darkness is still there, but so is the light. I try to appreciate the light, and on my better days, try to add some more of my own light to it. What darkness I cannot change, which is the vast majority of it, I remember that in my past, it has been darkness that has generally made me look for and sometimes find that light. If we stop looking and just give up, then eventually the darkness envelopes us and we descend down into our own pit of disrepair and hell.

I have faced mostly devils or demons in my life and can think of very few angels, yet it is still my life to live and I have not yet let them drag me down into that pit from where they always seem to come from themselves. Sometimes I get a little bitter about that. You must have at least once run across a speaker who tries to get everyone to pause for 2, 5, or 10 minutes to think about someone who was a real mentor to them in life, someone who lifted them up and helped to make them who they are. Though I do try, I generally come up empty handed with that exercise, at least as far as in the person flesh and blood mentors go anyway. Yet I can think of so many who have tried to drag me down over the course of my life. Perhaps that was to be my challenge, to stay out of the pit on my own, IDK, and it isn’t over yet so who knows how it ends.

There is both good and evil in the world. I expect it is that way by design and is necessary for the experience I am having, at least it seems so for me. Though I seem to notice more of the evil then the good, I do see the good is there, and whenever (well often anyway) I feel like I am about to give in and be consumed by the evil, I look for the good to remind me that I don't have to become that evil, there are still choices that I have the power to make. One can choose to try to be a slayer of the light or a slayer of the darkness.

“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.” ― Fred Rogers

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I also know for a fact angels do exist, they are mostly anonymous. That's entirely the point. They lack an ego. Or they can be your next door neighbor who lent you next month's rent. Even the small little things, matter!

You only use your self-exposure and narrow down angels as close friends, nothing more. That sounds, harsh. And limited. Plenty of people have family, friends, peers, anything that resemble the same. The fact that you acknowledge and speak of the experience of your own conditioning of realism does not mean those who have gone through and EXPERIENCED the opposite, doesn't exists. Random acts of kindness, miracles that are far too coincidental and far in-between to be dismissed are just as factual, all the same. You seemingly have a very strong conditioned victim stance paired with your own narrow-minded view of 'realism' all the same as you seem to inform others on. I shall do the same. Very strong logical and informed pessimism - just how far have you truly tried out the other end? Honestly? You attract what you believe in. You indeed create your own private hell to an extent yourself. Confirmation bias comes to mind and is THE leading contributor to ignorance. Light is felt, not seen. Always have been. I'm very sorry you have a strong stance against it. I respect your view to a point and I sound very critical because I used to be you. Tough love.

How you view the world and your experiences, are all the same. I have been through both and CONSTANTLY put myself in others' shoes (empathy and observance, both) and I find that fact that you call positivity, unconditional love, and angels bull**** to be downright, disrespectful to people like myself. Indirectly calls empathetic people, compassion, VERY REAL human traits, fake. Without that 'Disney love', we'd be in even greater hell.

I've learned to love stronger from going through a lot of ****, buddy. NOT wanting people to go through what I have. Not becoming what I hate. And that's entirely THE point. YOU and your perception of the world and how you wish to live in it creates your own private hell just the same as viewing it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's dual-realism and why both exists in the first place. Your view can be just as naive as someone whom has always had a big heart and empathy, being called fake because those that don't rule the world deem it weak and pointless. Well, without it, we are even more doomed. This cycle keeps the world going through grey stages, constantly. Never truly progressing on deeper levels. So, what do you want to believe in? If you were put in front of a barrel of a gun, will you stick to your views or hope for mercy? In that raw moment, most of us well hope for mercy. That shows the light in us. Empathy for one self IS proof that it can extend to others if you try and let go of the superficial layers and egos and conditioning and just see each other as PEOPLE not threats or lesser. To be wise and informed is to admit that anyone can be more wise than you.

Those that love, and love strongly and unconditionally usually are humble and lack an ego or want anything in return. Simply look at large donations done anonymously on ANY major charities, etc. Recently, there's been out-pourings of people paying bail money for all the protestors anonymously, the things that the media does not PURPOSELY cover for reasons I'm sure you understand with your viewpoint. The media does not have us in mind, whatsoever. Why can't you acknowledge that the light and history washing as fellow factual proof of angels or anything in that positive direction being covered up? Think more grey and neutral and you might actually find that being a fan of light can actually not be naive. You indeed attract what you want in life. I am living proof of it. Believe me or don't.

All the same, having a mindset like yours creates more of the problem. Continues the cycle, closes your heart off unintentionally. and you slowly join hands with the very thing you know eventually turns cold. Sit and lay idle while the truth is never shown, all the same. You have concluded your own truth and no longer seek further knowledge or growth of the world. What does that say about you? No potential ignorance in that? Where is your cynicism when it comes to those with a good heart not getting the proper exposure because they simply do not ask for it. Surely you can find logic in that. Or are you that far gone in your past and down your own conditioned rabbit hole? That buddy, I know very well. I grew up in the ghetto and on my own check by check. And I'm agnostic. This energy, this typing, it's passion, it's hurt, it's not me hating you. It's me feeling you, and worrying that you are too far gone. I'm hoping I get through to you.

Sorry, to come at you like this but you are spreading entirely too much victimized and traumatic negativity with a strong inclination that it's FACT, in here. Relax. We get it, you been through some ****. Most of us has as well. Your realism is so damn heart-breaking and you've become a victim of your own passions. We're alike, yet we're totally not. Facts vs. Facts. Informed and strong love rises from the dirt and ashes. Because being a pessimistic realist gets you stuck no where, fast. Logic. Egos. Eventually, Alone. Seeing the world for what it is can be subjective. Want something to believe in to better it, MOVE. Or don't be it. Don't highlight it either then. It's rather, simple and logical. No? With my new outlook all I see is ignorance with providing an over abundance of manmade facts of the past, the same old cycle that we all know doesn't work and is tainted in EITHER direction. Our true potential of loving beings is purposely being hidden from us.

Here's what I like to say in hopes it gets different wheels spinning. Are you the unloved or the loved? Are you truly biased or unbiased? Surely you can use yourself as an example that light can exist. Somewhere in there. Anytime you crack a smile and feel companionship and happiness, why can't that fact and experience be amplified in others? I don't see nor feel wisdom in any form of pessimism. You better damn well be content and happy with your viewpoint then, because then you are FACTUAL proof that you are wrong and are missing something. No ****, sherlock.

And most certainly do not dare say the world is not full of angels simply because you haven't counted or turned a conditioned blind eye to your blessings. Monsters and Angels exist. We are capable of being either. Except one is purposely blinded by mankind and I dare say, it's the monsters. They're the unloved. The unnatural that bred from greed and indifference. I can respect your view up until you call angels, **. That indeed triggered me. As it would to any equally conditioned person full of empathy who has been constantly called, fake. Thank you very much. I'm right here and I just showed you myself. Will you call me and my disney love, and lawful-chaotic good outlook fake to my face?

All I know is, that God better send me back in time to 1988, when I reincarnate and NOT to the horrid future that awaits us! After 2020, I can't even imagine how much lower our society will sink! It's really scary and depressing to think about how the rest of the 2020s will go! I've already lost too much hope!

The present confusions and uncertain happenings are all part of evolution. In a few words it can be said that the aim of the universe is to experience every possible state and condition. Evolution bases itself on how things are at any given moment and chooses its way. Blindly maybe - but it hasn't done badly up until now.
For us humans there have been better times and there have been worse times. The virus shows us just how deeply we are part of nature and the natural world.

We exist in a much better world than ever before.

Why is it harsh if I refer to angels as my closest friends who have been actually there for me in my darkest moments? To me, the most angelic quality found in a human is loyalty. And if you must know, I used to believe in angels and the supernatural for quite a while (even if I found it difficult to admit) and I've experienced some weird, unexplainable stuff myself as well. But it has all come to this point that I've decided to have a more sober and sceptical outlook on those things, even having to make the ultimate 'sacrifice' to shrug off the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced as nothing more but a meaningless projection of my own psyche and subconscious, painful as it is. And you know why? Because I simply lack any concrete evidence, and because I've been fooled and deceived a little bit too much beyond I can take. So in case you haven't noticed, I have my reasons.

And no, you aren't me and you never used to be me because our lives aren't comparable. I haven't grown up in a ghetto unlike you, and you haven't experienced the same stuff I do. I'm not interested in exchanging life stories, so let's just drop it.


Then you take it way too personally. Harden your heart dude... I am just an irrelevant and unimportant 'nobody' you'll never meet in your life anyway, so there's no need for you to feel offended by my perspective. Especially if you already think your own view is superior to mine. I honestly wish you all the fun and best of luck with your unconditional love and angels even if I don't believe in that mushy New Age stuff. Just offer me the same courtesy by allowing me to speak my mind about it.


If someone points a barrel of a gun to me, I'd be VERY tempted to ask them to pull the trigger. Except I'd suggest them to go for the head, because I imagine myself having dumb luck and forced to live on with yet another inconvenience.


No need to demonise me further, I already realise that there may be little good in humanity left even though self-righteousness shouldn't be underestimated. But to me it are simply people doing good deeds whitout spiritual influence from anything else. The driving factor is either self-importance or just out of good morals, which tends to be more rare, but still lingers about somewhere out there.


Well I know enough for now. And if time and experience proves me wrong someday about certain things, fair enough. I'd gladly welcome and embrace it with the biggest joy I'd ever feel, but not until that day comes. If your angels want to convert me to their light side of the force they might have to try a bit harder and preferably in a less subtle way.


As I've said, I think it's either self-righteousness or having a good sense of morality. I've donated and given money to homeless people as well without asking anything in return, but does that make me a hero with a good heart? Not really. I just did it because I respect homeless people who are truly trying very hard to get back on the right path and make a living. But if it was a nasty drug addicted felon I'd just ignore them. But whatever man, if I'm 'far gone' according to you because I have a different outlook and don't live up to your expectations, all I can say is cheers to that.


That sounds pretty negative.


You don't see or feel any form of wisdom in pessimism? Good for you. Just remember that the airplane was invented by the optimist, and the parachute was invented by the pessimist.


Well, I don't know you... The internet is full of fake personalities and this forum is no different. I also don't see what angels have to do with being an empath and why calling them rubbish is offensive. But if it makes you feel any better, I'm terribly sorry for insulting them poor wee little angels.

I would like to have a chance to experience the 80s and also Japan before so much of its society became so hard on relationships and having children. I suppose it is like that here too though. I would also like to experience Japan before it became westernized. The 60s in the states I would like to experience too. I never visited Japan, have been wanting to for years, I finally saved enough money and then covid happened. So sad I didn’t travel more before I hit my 30s. I am trying to scramble to do something meaningful so I don’t regret everything feel like I’m at a dead end in life as a woman my age like there’s no point even trying sometimes...