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relinquish 23-11-2016 01:44 AM

Life Itself
 
In truth, the universe is nothing other than the single, seamless process of 'change' itself. It is seamless because it does not actually contain any 'solely self-inclusive forms'. In other words, the universal process of 'change' does not actually contain any separate 'things' or 'events'.

Any given 'particular thing' (for example, a 'tree') is always in a constant state of change, which is to say that 'the tree' is in fact a 'process' rather than a 'thing'. This process can ONLY be occurring if the necessary conditions are present. These conditions are 'not the tree', and are naturally comprised of 'other processes', ALL of which can ONLY be occurring if the necessary conditions are present. These conditions are 'not those other processes', and are naturally comprised of 'other other processes', ALL of which can ONLY be occurring if the necessary conditions are present, and so on, ad infinitum.

Therefore, 'the tree' could not possibly be occurring in exactly the way that it is without the ENTIRETY of 'not the tree' (i.e. the rest of the universe) occuring in exactly the way that it is. In this way, 'the tree' naturally includes within it's own existence the entirety of the rest of the universe. Exactly the same is true of ALL 'particular processes', including 'Me' and 'Not Me' (and 'You' and 'Not You').

As such, the fundamental distinctions between all the different processes do not actually exist, and so, the only process of 'change' that is ACTUALLY occurring is that of the entire universe as one seamless whole.

It gets it's characteristic asymmetrical structure simply from the fact that (being 'finite') it is the inseperable opposite of the causeless presence that is the Eternal Infinity itself, the nature of which is ever-changless, formless and perfectly symmetrical.

The only COHERENT ever-changing asymmetry is a 'FRACTAL' ever-changing asymmetry.

ALL apparent 'things' and 'events' are as they are simply because they are all 'parts' of this one eternally cyclic process.

Evidently, there are (at least for the moment) certain 'organic' parts of the process that are conscious of themselves and of their surroundings. This basic fact indicates that the universe is actually a (or rather, THE) Living Organism, naturally possessing a countless number of 'nerve ends' at all the appropriate points of it's 'body' (which are commonly known as 'life forms').

This, in turn, indicates that the causeless presence of the Eternal Infinity is actually none other than Life Itself.

Some of the nerve ends of the Organism are of such an extreme level of physical complexity that they have the natural capacity to become 'hypnotized' by their surroundings. This hypnosis makes it seem to these extremely complex nerve ends (a.k.a. intelligent body/mind life-forms) that they are the separate, autonomous originators of their own particular movements.

As such, the absolute harmony that naturally exists between all the 'parts' of the Organism (and therefore, the Organism itself) is impossible to be seen by these hypnotized nerve ends. In it's place is seen a situation that seems confusingly fragmented, hostile and threatening. Seeing this, the hypnotized nerve ends are bound to suffer.

But this harmony certainly IS Here and Now, outside of the hypnosis, ever-patiently awaiting 'our' realization of (and resting in) it.

In this resting, there can be no suffering...

Thanks for reading.

Peace

:)

Busby 23-11-2016 06:38 AM

Thanks a lot relinquish, you've written a jewel of a piece. True insight in my opinion.

Joe Mc 24-11-2016 08:07 AM

Why are you calling it a tree if its not a tree ?

Busby 24-11-2016 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
Why are you calling it a tree if its not a tree ?



There's a difference between a tree and a 'tree'.

no1wakesup 24-11-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Busby
There's a difference between a tree and a 'tree'.


Only in perception

kingfisher 24-11-2016 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Mc
Why are you calling it a tree if its not a tree ?


Hi Joe, in my own wayward mind your comment made me think of the words of Neddy Seagoon when asked why he was in the coal cellar........"Well. everybody gotta be somewhere" he replied. So I suppose that, for the sake of communication, everything has to have a name also.

On the very same subject, there are the Buddhist Mahayana texts, which often - following their very own rather alarming dialectic - state such things as "because sentient beings are not sentient beings, they are sentient beings". Such texts can turn the head to jelly, but it does seem that when reality itself is seeking to be described as best as possible, then needs must - reality being more a constant and on-going becoming rather than being distinct objects, forever only what they are, each set in stone (though capable of inter-acting)

I think relinquish has it right. Myself, I take what I would call an existential approach to the idea that there are no dividing lines in reality. As far as our sexuality is concerned (ah ha! I now have the attention of others!), there is an unbroken line between the worlds most macho male and the worlds most feminine lady. Each of us, as unique individuals, find ourselves on that line. Yet our minds create divisions, fences, labels, and what can potentially be a community of human beings becomes instead a world of conflict and name calling.

Squatchit 24-11-2016 02:31 PM

Once, during a dream, I had a telephone call with Life Itself.

Starman 24-11-2016 07:41 PM

Life is not what I do rather life is what I am; and the perceived changes are but kaleidoscopic transformations
influenced by centers of expression, which is the construct we now inhabit; a flowing projection of The One.

We take a snapshot freezing that moment in time, and we label that moment we have froze; either in our minds
or with the snapshot of a picture. How many snapshots are in a lifetime? Countless moments within one eternal moment,
an eternal moment which many call "Life."

relinquish 25-11-2016 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Busby
Thanks a lot relinquish, you've written a jewel of a piece. True insight in my opinion.


My pleasure Busby. It gladdens this heart to feel resonance.

:smile:

relinquish 25-11-2016 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
Why are you calling it a tree if its not a tree ?


It is a natural subconscious behavior of the extremely complex nerve ends to conceptually 'slice up' the single, seamless process that they belong to into a vast multiplicity and diversity of different, separate things and events. This makes them feel fundamentally isolated from the rest of Reality, and in turn causes tremendous suffering.

The nerve ends that are less complex (i.e. the rest of the animal kingdom) don't have the capacity to do that, and so don't have the capacity to deeply suffer.

Joe Mc 25-11-2016 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by relinquish
Any given 'particular thing' (for example, a 'tree') is always in a constant state of change, which is to say that 'the tree' is in fact a 'process' rather than a 'thing'.

:)



The tree is a process and a tree too, that was my dispute i think. It is not either, or but both.

relinquish 25-11-2016 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
The tree is a process and a tree too, that was my dispute i think. It is not either, or but both.


'Tree' is only a concept. It is a name for a particular 'part' of the universal process, but neither this nor any other part of the process has any actual name in Reality, and the parts are not at all disconnected in the way the names assigned to them make them seem to be.

:smile:

FallingLeaves 26-11-2016 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by relinquish
'Tree' is only a concept. It is a name for a particular 'part' of the universal process, but neither this nor any other part of the process has any actual name in Reality, and the parts are not at all disconnected in the way the names assigned to them make them seem to be.

:smile:


Very daoist of you :smile:

EgoIsSatan 10-01-2017 07:22 AM

There can be no argument against your description, relinquish. It is truly the only way it ever could be.

r6r6 20-01-2017 01:22 PM

Structure >Change VE< Structure
 
Our finite, occupied space Universe/UniVerse is coherent whole because gravity's ( ) effect on all particles.. Possibly dark energy )( connects all also.

Only the animal kingdom have nerve endings. The other 4 or 5 do not have nerve endings.

The macro-infinite, non-occupied space is irrelevant, for the most part, to our finite occupied space Universe, humans and biological life.

The primary duality is occupied space and non-occupied space ergo the term "U"niverse is used to include both. These both exist eternally.

However, there is a third aspect/attribute that is significant and critically important to humans, that is access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ergo we slant the "U" in "U"niverse.

Now we have a trinity and two steps away from any concept of a single-only aspect of "U"niverse

Here is the heirarchy:

1} "U"niverse all inclusive conceptual whole set,

......1a} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept,

----------line-of-demarcation--------------------------------------------

.......1b} macro-infinite,non-occupied space,

.......1c} finite, occupied space Universe aka Uni-Verse

Macro-infinite non=occupied space does not change, except in relationship to our finite, occupied space Universe that may expand-contract, torque, spin, inside-out or whatever.

The asymmetrical 4-fold, Vector Equlibrium is representative of change aka transformation

http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg...igs/f6008.html
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg...igs/f6108.html


The symmetrical, 5-fold icosa{20}hedron is representative of structure ie structural stablitiy.

r6
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg...gs/f5730a.html

A human Being 20-01-2017 05:11 PM

Can't think of anything useful to add, so I'll just say nice post, relinquish :smile:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Squatchit
Once, during a dream, I had a telephone call with Life Itself.

Don't happen to have a transcript to hand, do you? :tongue: :biggrin:

jimrich 26-01-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
The tree is a process and a tree too, that was my dispute i think. It is not either, or but both.

Maybe all that can be said about a "tree" is that something appears to be TREEING. Life (or It) seems to be "treeing" and "typing" and "sunning" and "eating", etc. :rolleyes:

Joe Mc 26-01-2017 03:32 PM

Maybe all that can be said about a "tree" is that something appears to be TREEING. Life (or It) seems to be "treeing" and "typing" and "sunning" and "eating", etc. :rolleyes:[/

What about toasting ? :biggrin: :Like Toasting bread ? Guess that's included :smile:

jimrich 26-01-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
What about toasting ? :biggrin: :Like Toasting bread ? Guess that's included :smile:

Toasting bread happens. Trees happen. Life happens. It's all just happening. What a show! :rolleyes: :icon_eek: :smile:

Joe Mc 26-01-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimrich
Toasting bread happens. Trees happen. Life happens. It's all just happening. What a show! :rolleyes: :icon_eek: :smile:


:biggrin: True, take it easy.


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