SPIRITIST OR SPIRITUALIST?
 

Call it what you like,its the same thing.lol.

I know a lot of Spiritualists that believe in Reincarnation,yet I don't know of any *spiritists*.

If you knew the answer why start a thread on this subject?
It seems to me that you are just looking for an argument!

Well,i,m glad that's cleared up.I prefer to keep things simple,that way,we all understand.

Well,this spiritualist has an open mind about reincarnation.I must be a spiritist spiritualist,but did it ever come to your mind that she might have been wrong?Whatever her position is ,did she have proof? after all at the end of the day no one REALLY knows.
The Bible spoke about reincarnation until Emperor Constantine got his hands on it and changed it to suit his needs.

You do a lot of reading.Share with us some things he wrote.:smile:

As for proof for Constantine,search the web,it'll tell you.One off hand is a video posted by hans Wilhelm on you tube about the subject,there are more.
The woman could be the Queen of Sheba for all i care.What gives her the right to say that she knows all.This is what gives spirituality a bad name.I know what I believe and no charlaton is going to tell me different.
Now if you don't mind,I am a busy man and have work to do.Goodbye!

It doesn't matter really. What you choose to call yourself or call another person is a personal preference me thinks. I think it's entirely possible to believe in both philosophies. Maybe there is another word for some one with divergent ideas?

Thanks Big John, I had not heard the term Spiritist before, so I've learnt something today.
I think labels are too conscriptive and restrictive...I like the freedom to think and feel and believe what I want, the freedom to grow and change my mind and position so I'm not keen on trying to fit everything in tidy compartments. It's such a human thing to do though isn't it? We do it to ourselves for our own comfort levels...strange hey...

There's no need to believe in either philosophy because each provides evidence of what's taught there. Neither does one have to accept every component of either philosophy to consider oneself as either a Spiritist or a Spiritualist. Neither philosophy is prescriptive.

Do not claim to be a spiritualist nor a spiritist, I cannot say it makes any difference to me.
President of the National Spiritualist Association of Churches, based in Lily Dale, New York where she claimed Spiritualist do not believe in reincarnation.

To my knowledge, churches do not promote reincarnation? However, I may be mistaken.

I think my point is sufficient.

Me too. I think it's human nature to place barriers in the way of what feels natural to us.

As is mine. :smile:

I don't think so :smile:

Oh I think it was....:smile:

We'll just have to differ on that.....

Obviously.

Originally Posted by enterhere
Do not claim to be a spiritualist nor a spiritist, I cannot say it makes any difference to me.

As you're neither one nor the other why would it make a difference to you?

It obviously doesn't make a difference to me, however, my post was valid

valid? :confused:

Spirit spirit world clairvoyance mediumship trans mediumship still at heart spirit at all connect to the spirit world the wrong time to realise I'm supposed to gift it The Gifted didn't even know I was a median and stick to my mediumship when I get a chance to to buy the super spirit for gardens and support and this was first I'll listen to what spirit tell me now I'll listen to what spirit tell me now they give the best advice

I really think everyone is born with the same gift's. Our upbringing and experiences eventually outline certain strengths and then we choose to study and focus on whatever works best for us as individuals. There are so many things that are the same but are just worded different.
I believe to put labels on anything spiritual or whatever you want to call it. Is only human to label. There's thousands of different brands, types /labels of tomatos. But when you strip away all the labels. It's still only a tomato.

Spiritists and Spiritualists actually know what they subscribe to and why.
Occasionally an odd well-read individual may also understand the differences. (not many)

Everyone else is likely guessing or banging on about some other subject altogether.

Can you imagine a 'Christian' going to a 'Christian Church' and begin speaking about Jesus is the son of God, the First Born only to find out, that 'Church' firmly believes Jesus is God?

If a person is in a Spiritualist Church and they are asked to do message work: what happens, in some cases, if they speak about reincarnation?

Depends on the Church but in the worst case scenario, they may be rudely asked to stop and sit down.

This thread is about Spiritist and Spiritualist. For the most part, most people could care less how some define them but when the issue comes up, for example the issue mentioned in the previous paragraph, it can become a wide awakening event.

The words Spiritist and Spiritualist mean different things to different people. I highly suspect, the word Spiritist, a valid word, is a word most people have had very little if any contact with.

Oh, BJ - we've been down this path many times before..... :wink: I think you're being mischievous again. :wink:

It doesn't MATTER if (quote) ......The words Spiritist and Spiritualist mean different things to different people. or (quote) .....the word Spiritist, a valid word, is a word most people have had very little if any contact with.

In this forum under this category it's not to do with folk being muddled. Neither is there any justification for bringing into this forum aspects of the Christian religion.

Take a look, please, at the forum title and the category. The forum is 'Spritualism' and it's housed in the category 'Religions & Faiths'. Modern Spiritualism is a religion formally recognised and registered in many parts of the world. So it belongs under this forum's umbrella category.

It isn't 'spiritualism' - the catchall word for anything to do with 'being spiritual' or to do with 'spirituality' etc. No it was to enable conversations about the religion and philosophy of Spiritualism that this forum was created for. (or 'Modern Spiritualism' as I often present it to try to prevent the ever-present ambiguity)

I know all that because many years back I pressed for this forum's creation.

How It Began
 

The opening posting of this thread reads : "Those reading this probably will consider themselves a Spiritualist but I suspect they really are Spiritist. Please discuss." So let's do that, should we? But first a preamble, an important one I think......

It's unfortunate that nearly two centuries ago the pioneers of a new movement - one that has its roots in the USA incidentally - chose an ambiguous word as the name for their new movement. Oh how I wish they'd chosen more wisely!

Some years ago - long before many of the current members were around - I presented a case for this website having a page for that religion. A forum for (Modern) Spiritualism or 'Spiritualism' for short. I pressed for it every occasion I could and in time this forum was introduced and placed appropriately under the umbrella category it's in. Most members won't know that I suspect.

As I said earlier, I wish the pioneers had chosen its name more wisely because without the upper case 'S' it becomes a word with an altogether different meaning - spiritualism isn't, though, Spiritualism. As I said earlier, an ambiguous word and to this day it continues to cause difficulty.

The essence of (Modern) Spiritualism is survival and its demonstration by way of mediumship - period. The essence of Spiritism is much the same, incidentally. Adherents of one will not have persuasions much different from adherents of the other. Beyond that either one can be as complex as individuals choose to make it but the fundamentals remain unaltered.

Many of those who see themselves as Spiritualists or as Spiritists know all that and it's mainly others who get confused.

"The Poughkeepsie Seer" probably had a lot to do with the name Spiritualism. I suspect the answer might be buried in the The Great Harmonia.

Spiritualism has changed over the last 1 and 1/2 centuries so much that it hard to discern how it actually got started. It seems it played a major role in the Women's movement but neither parties seem to acknowledge that.

Then Spiritism came on the scene which muddled what Spiritualist used to believe.

Before Spiritism came on the scene, Henry Olcott contributed a lot to Spiritualism, especially his great book "People from the Other World" which was written on the cusp of him funding the purse for the newly formed Theosophical Society in which he was their first President. That society is instrumental for bringing forth Buddhism to the West which had/has an influence on Spiritualism.

I know a lot of Spiritists that believe in reincarnation ... but I don't know any "Spiritualists".

We complement each other. :D

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You were definitely the soul that I needed when I started to explore Spiritism.

It's nice to see you here. :smile: :hug3: