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It seems that something was lost in the translation, but what makes sense to me is that the 'selfs' are aspects of self. Where things go a little sideways is in the identifications the Western mind makes, so it can associate with one self - such as the so-called 'Spiritual self' - and dissociate/deny others such as the 'human self. That's not the self at all, that's the individuals' ego. Quote:
'Programming' is the wrong word, it's used by people who think they know but they don't. They seem to think that since they recognise some kind if 'programming' they're suddenly immune to it, but the irony is that's programming. The ancients called it Right Thinking and it's part of the Eightfold Path, so if you really want to be rid of your so-called programming that's certainly worth an explore. If you prefer psychology then look at cognitive behaviour, but it's he same thing. Common sense will tell you that Spirituality is based on the processing of information, if you are reading books, forums posts and the like, and the brain doesn't rewire itself because some slaps an 'I am Spiritual' on their forehead. There is no 'ultimate' reality, that's the ego talking. The objective reality is that reality is subjective. |
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In Spiritual parlance thoughts are karas or 'invented things' that the Aham or 'I' is made from. |
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Besides, if there is a lower mind/a mind that is not aligned with oneness, then there is a higher mind/ a mind that is aligned with oneness. The purpose of the spiritual teachings that calm/still the mind, is to align one's mind with oneness. Edit: The lower mind is purely phsychological, and the higher mind is both phsychological and spiritual, and both exists at the same time. What I mean by the higher mind being spiritual, is that the higher mind knows it is oneness, while the lower mind does not know it is oneness, the lower minds views itself to be separate from oneness. This is what the teachings on maya and duality is all about, not the other meanings and thoughts people give them. In order for one to see everything as oneness, one must first know one's higher mind is oneness. You know people do not get oneness, when they say they are not the mind, or that everything is a dream etc etc. And agreeing with them and playing along with thier lower mind is not unconditional love. The lower mind comes from the physical monkey/animal brain that evolved over time, while the higher mind does not comes from the monkey/animal brain, the higher mind comes from and is oneness. The higher mind is atman. This is not an abstract concept, metaphor or analogy, it is just the way it is. |
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Thank you very much Iamthat. The idea of -- Self-realisation is possible for "ordinary" people leading "ordinary" lives, here and now-- makes do much sense to me :smile: |
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Thank you very much Antoine, I like this metaphor also. This kind of changes, is it us who trigger it once we are in the path, or does it come naturally from the external world ? Thanks :smile: |
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Hello Mary, Love your questions. As our lower thoughts align with the Self within, the same appends to what we see as the outside world and the inside world, they also both align themselves. At first, those events that bring change, you may see them as synchronicity until they become normal to you. Antoine |
There is only what you are that is either beyond the thought of itself or there is the thought of oneself as being this or that .
It is true from one perspective that you are this and that and also you are neither this or that, but it depends on the context . Some might say that the false self proclaims that you are a human being, but that makes no sense to me .. It only makes sense from beyond the thought of that, and at that point there is no-one present to make sense of that . x daz x |
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Both minds are psychological but it's the ego/Ahamkara that identifies with Spirituality as being a 'benefit' of some description, as it does with Oneness. Everything exists in relation to something else, there is no Oneness without separation and there is no higher mind without lower mind. |
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The idea that the lower mind comes from the brain is somewhat bizarre. The idea that the higher mind is Atman is equally bizarre - Atman has nothing to do with the mind. Or perhaps your definitions of lower and higher mind differ from mine. Peace |
Thank you very much Greenslade for the detailed information, it is very helpful :smile: :smile:
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Thank you so much for your insightful explanation :smile: |
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