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Question for yourself, mac, or anyone else......although I also use the Spiritual aspect of mediumship...neither considering myself renowned nor elite (untrained by outsiders), just awesome accurate when I dont forget to listen to them instead of self alone...what would you call one who also uses knowledge from far untouched living sources in order to give the same info, warnings, guidances, etc that Mediums do? Forgive the ignorance of this, or any of my posts...although i have walked these paths since my earliest age, I only know what i touch first - not believing in most writers or speakers |
If I understand you correctly, your asking what you would call someone who got the information that a mediums does but from the living and not the dead?
If that is correct you wouldnt be able to. The reading from, the living is psychic or intuitive by reading the aura, senseing something etc., so you would be able to tell them about their past, present and potential future. You wouldnt be talking to anyone but gaining information from your senses. The medium would be getting the information from a dead person, so would be able to give the information about that dead person, their life etc, but also about the recipients life. They may (if the law and moral code permitted) give them details about their future which is given from the dead person. So basically the difference is - psychic = gives details of the living person only, while the medium can give details about living and the dead. Heres the confusing thing, mediums can be psychic but not all psychics are mediumistic. |
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By 'teaching medium' I meant someone of the calibre of Maurice Barbanell bringing the words of Silver Birch - a medium conveying the teaching of a spiritually evolved teacher/guide. I should have said that - sorry about the lack of clarity...:icon_frown: |
"People watch the likes of some mediums on TV and think that is mediumship when all it is, is very good cold reading. Iv seen one American medium ask so many questions that it was like an interrogation. In no way was it mediumship it was cold reading.
Iv even seen some so called good mediums in the Uk simply using psychic skills to give a so called mediumship reading." It's been a subject I have been 'campaigning' about for a very long time - cold reading and/or auric reading masquerading as evidential mediumship. Just one issue encouraging confusion between psychics and mediums. |
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And the less-heard response that they've all passed over without anyone to fill their shoes.....:icon_frown: |
Ok, with you.
Remember White Eagle (the Lodge etc).. those teachings were it seemed somehow more in line with todays "new age thinking" and presentation. I believe that a resurection(!) of WE would be of a lot of use to a lot of seekers with their main core teachings as proscribed by the great Silver Birch/Maurice Barbanell. Great thread BTW. The domino effect clicking away here I feel. Got any more?? G |
"Question for yourself, mac, or anyone else......although I also use the Spiritual aspect of mediumship...neither considering myself renowned nor elite (untrained by outsiders), just awesome accurate when I dont forget to listen to them instead of self alone...what would you call one who also uses knowledge from far untouched living sources in order to give the same info, warnings, guidances, etc that Mediums do?
Forgive the ignorance of this, or any of my posts...although i have walked these paths since my earliest age, I only know what i touch first - not believing in most writers or speakers." I'm unsure what you mean in the section I've underlined - would you expand please? |
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I never felt as comfortable with White Eagle's presentation as I did with Silver Birch but that's just me.... Perhaps those teachings would work for the so-called New Age groups but maybe they'll get their own guidance. I was given some bits this morning which I'll need to knock together later in this connection - cooking dinner right now!! |
Agreed re the White Eagle "presentation" line. It fitted for a short while then I seemed to shift gear when I started to read SB and after that nothing came close. Still doesn't.
If your boys n girls can apport a plate or two to us starving in the wilderness that would be good! G |
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Sorry but I don't think it works like that!! :D |
Me neither but it was worth a go!
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:D Cool enough for me |
I have been told that it is possible to communicate with the higher self of a living person the way one would communicate with someone in spirit, and if this is the case then it would be possible for a medium to chat with the living and acquire information just as they would with those who have passed over. This doesn't fit the generally held idea of what mediumship is so I suppose it would come somewhere under the "psychic" umbrella or be a form of telepathy, though technically speaking, the skills used are probably the same.
I'm saddened by the idea of people performing fraudulent mediumship. Often people who seek comfort through a medium are vulnerable or grieving and such a person would have to be callous. It's difficult to reconcile the idea in my head - generally people with psychic abilities are more spiritually advanced than others and therefore more inclined to do good, so the concept of an "evil psychic" is an odd one. Having said that, I suspect that a lot of mediums accidentally use their intuitive or psychic abilities when giving readings. It's not always easy to understand where the information is coming from. As to the topic, I suppose I see a medium as a translator - one foot in the spirit world and one foot in the physical. What they do with that skill to translate, and how they do it, might vary a great deal. |
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From what it feels like...I have to agree closer with this than with simple psychichood (not that psychic is simple at all). I was actually speaking of reading for one not in front of you, by the voice of another far away living spirit.....def always known when they were living and when not Thanks |
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where are we up too..if off target please tell me. A person can commune with living to .. as well as deceased. Also a tad of what the ancients call magic can occur .. that is factual. Soul or energy is energy .. matter does not die but changes format. So what is it when one sends out a thought form imagery to another on same level and they turn up and deliver the thought form imagery and turn it into reality .. is that being a medium? What umbrella does that fall under in words please?. Thank God its not the medi-evil times .. I hate it too hot lol :) |
mediumship as in any spiritual work takes respondsabilities as if not disciplined in areas of mind etc and relay wrong information (FRom Look at me principle I am so so good) to another there is a karmic kick back . ( in my view).
It is a discipline and does require great care for self and others. One does not need a circle of people but does require light. :) Loves yah all Xo |
"I have been told that it is possible to communicate with the higher self of a living person the way one would communicate with someone in spirit, and if this is the case then it would be possible for a medium to chat with the living and acquire information just as they would with those who have passed over."
hmmm.... :confused: This 'higher self' issue is another which for me is not adequately defined. All too easy to claim but where is the evidence? "I'm saddened by the idea of people performing fraudulent mediumship. Often people who seek comfort through a medium are vulnerable or grieving and such a person would have to be callous. It's difficult to reconcile the idea in my head - generally people with psychic abilities are more spiritually advanced than others and therefore more inclined to do good, so the concept of an "evil psychic" is an odd one." Again a claim about those with psychic abilities without substantiation.... As we don't know the reasons for attributes such as mediumship or psychic awareness, it would be wrong to link spiritual evolvement as a requirement for either. I'm not saying it isn't, only that it's no more than supposition. "evil psychic" is an emotive description but some appear downright disreputable. "I suspect that a lot of mediums accidentally use their intuitive or psychic abilities when giving readings. It's not always easy to understand where the information is coming from." The first sentence is undoubtedly true for some mediums. Whether it is true for, quote: "a lot" of them again is speculative. It is, though, the responsibility of any medium to know what they are doing. If it's not known from where details are being acquired, then caution should be shown until it is known. The regurgitation of details acquired from the enquirer through auric reading - which may mislead the sitter into thinking it is mediumship - is deplorable. A responsible, experienced evidential medium would know how to differentiate, and be able to avoid using psychic reading, when giving mediumship. But, then, it's down to what the term medium means to us personally - we've gone full circle....:wink: |
Mac, semantics aside, I don't think we differ in opinion in any way. Supposition is exactly what I was offering and I think that has to be taken as read on a forum like this - we can only present our personal opinions and experiences. Is it possible to produce "evidence" for any spiritual phenomenon?
That being said, I have communicated with my own higher self to fascinating result, though I have never attempted to do so with anyone else's despite assurance from my guides that it is possible (I mean, should one ask a person's permission before trying that sort of thing? :smile:). I suppose I personally feel that there is a link between spiritual development and psychic ability because that is exactly how I developed mine... There seems to be reasonable consensus (that is, it is mentioned in many texts and personal accounts on psychic development, and I have never seen opposition to the issue) that inner emotional healing and energy work promote psychic abilities and are a must for developing abilities like mediumship. Mine turned up as a side-effect of doing this, rather to my astonishment, as it wasn't the original intention. So the idea of someone who has taken this path only to become a charlatan is interesting. I certainly agree that mediums should be aware at all times of what they are doing, but in an ideal world everyone in every profession would understand their craft to the highest level at all times, and I don't think this is the reality... though it would be nice! |
Mac, semantics aside, I don't think we differ in opinion in any way. That's not how I see things and it's certainly not semantics. Supposition is exactly what I was offering and I think that has to be taken as read on a forum like this - we can only present our personal opinions and experiences. Is it possible to produce "evidence" for any spiritual phenomenon? I'll accept personal experience, how something worked out, what was experienced etc. That sort of third-party evidence is fine for me when I understand it. I'll accept it as evidence.
That being said, I have communicated with my own higher self to fascinating result,....those results being? though I have never attempted to do so with anyone else's despite assurance from my guides that it is possible (I mean, should one ask a person's permission before trying that sort of thing? :smile:). It's not something about which I have any understanding and I'd be happy for you to change that situation for me. I suppose I personally feel that there is a link between spiritual development and psychic ability because that is exactly how I developed mine... I wouldn't doubt your personal situation but why would it necessarily be so for others? There seems to be reasonable consensus (that is, it is mentioned in many texts and personal accounts on psychic development, and I have never seen opposition to the issue) that inner emotional healing and energy work promote psychic abilities and are a must for developing abilities like mediumship. That's a broad brush applied to the situation...Mine turned up as a side-effect of doing this, rather to my astonishment, as it wasn't the original intention. So the idea of someone who has taken this path only to become a charlatan is interesting. Indeed it is but it doesn't mean the others reached their position in ways necessarily comparable to your own or with comparable outcomes....or have similar characters. I certainly agree that mediums should be aware at all times of what they are doing, but in an ideal world everyone in every profession would understand their craft to the highest level at all times, and I don't think this is the reality... though it would be nice! No it's certainly not the reality of the situation but mediumship is a situation somewhat different to a 'profession' as you mention. |
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Yes mediums can communicate with those living as well. What I mean by this is those in comas, or in a far off country and asleep. One very famous medium who is long dead now, drew a face which was later identified to be a person in a coma. She also told us that she had had those asleep in a far off country. It is said while we sleep that we return to the Spirit World, so this follows that theory! |
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hmmmm....maybe, maybe not.....communication with someone comatose would be telepathic, as indeed anyone else still alive but not present. Using the definition I favour, it's not mediumship - it's not transdimensional for instance. Actually we don't so much return to the etheric dimensions sometimes during sleep as visit while still tethered to our physical body. I suggest it's most unlikely that all of us do this all of the time during sleep but impossible to prove either way. :confused: Wouldn't it make sense that if the scenario described above were the norm, or commonplace, there would be many documented occurrences? I'm not saying it can't or doesn't happen only that it would be misleading to suggest it's a regular or common situation. To repeat, though, if it isn't a situation of the medium being a go-between for communication between discarnates and incarnates, then for me it isn't mediumship. |
Some "smalls" can be a medium.....
Most "Larges" cannot...... :D |
Nope, just like not everybody can be a musician!
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