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Altair 17-10-2018 03:54 PM

Biological Determinism is a waste of time.. it ignores the unique capacity of human beings to make changes and go against ''natural'' perceived norms. I've seen people justify domestic abuse and absurd levels of poverty in the name of ''nature''. And on here, you can see it every day.. ''We can kill and eat animals therefore we should''. It's the sort of rubbish non-argument that in any civilized discussion isn't seen as an ''argument''. It's would be rightly classified as a naturalistic fallacy..

Yes, humans are technically 'omnivores', and yes, it has helped us.. but that by itself are not sole determinants of human behaviour and actions. People who justify meat eating ''because of nature'' or ''animals do it too!'' should apply their logic in all facets of life.. perhaps it is better if they simply go live in the wilds and stop using modern technology and medicine because, by their own logic, it makes them hypocrites going ''against nature''... :D

Lucky 1 17-10-2018 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagandell
The change into more empaphy and spiritual awareness is taking place, how ever much you fight against it :biggrin: :D :D


You can have all the empathy and spiritual awareness you want and that does not change the fact that we are biologically an omnivore.

And again....I'm not telling you or anyone else to NOT be a vegan....if you are happy with it and do well on such a diet....good for you!...and I really mean that!

Pagandell 17-10-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky 1
You can have all the empathy and spiritual awareness you want and that does not change the fact that we are biologically an omnivore.



This guy never gives up, it must be the hunter in him, never happy until the next kill :rolleyes:

Lucky 1 17-10-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagandell
This guy never gives up, it must be the hunter in him, never happy until the kill :icon_confused:


Just debunking non-facts with facts..........I'm sorry that you and others here find the facts unpalatable.

Pagandell 17-10-2018 05:11 PM

All you need is love.
 
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Originally Posted by Altair
Biological Determinism is a waste of time.. it ignores the unique capacity of human beings to make changes and go against ''natural'' perceived norms. :D

:love1: :icon_rendeer:

Baile 17-10-2018 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagandell
This guy never gives up, it must be the hunter in him, never happy until the next kill :rolleyes:

He is correct. I have a hard time staying silent when I'm correct... meaning I have a hard time staying silent.

And just do the same: sign up to the Fish And Game forum, and start threads on topics like "Seal Protection Season!!!!"

Lucky 1 17-10-2018 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
He is correct. I have a hard time staying silent when I'm correct... meaning I have a hard time staying silent.

And just do the same: sign up to the Fish And Game forum, and start threads on topics like "Seal Protection Season!!!!"


A buddy and I stayed with an Inuit tribe on a hunting trip north of Winnipeg Canada some years ago and some of the Inuit men brought in a seal.

We were sharing a campfire with them and so I tried it just to be polite......and all I can say is YEEECH!!!!

Rah nam 18-10-2018 12:18 AM

(vegans must supplement their diet)


Yes with the correct kind of food


and as I have said many times before, I don't see myself as vegan, most vegans eat foods I would not touch.

For me, wholefood is the key. Grain only if it has been sprouted.
It doesn't matter what we have been hundreds of thousands of years ago.
This is trivia at best. If one can change a chicken egg to a duck simply by shining a laser light though both eggs, or if a lizard who are carnivores, changing to herbivores in a very short time, something that should not be possible according to evolutionary sciences.
This might indicate the human system is capable of changing in just a few generations.

Pagandell 18-10-2018 02:14 AM

[quote=Rah nam] Grain only if it has been sprouted.QUOTE]

That sounds interesting :icon_geek:

Baile 18-10-2018 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky 1
A buddy and I stayed with an Inuit tribe on a hunting trip north of Winnipeg Canada some years ago and some of the Inuit men brought in a seal.

We were sharing a campfire with them and so I tried it just to be polite......and all I can say is YEEECH!!!!

Well I appreciate that, thank you. That's almost a spiritual story and epiphany. Obviously it's mostly about hunting, killing and eating animals, and belongs on the Canadian Hunting And Ice Fishing forum and not here. But there's a real human element in there, and that's a happy sign.


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