In the two books of Kings, the people had fallen away from knowing Yahweh and were at one time worshiping the wrong Gods! The issue had to do with "God's name is not important". Sound familiar?

Don't know very much about Hinduism personally so I can't comment.

What your saying is also a mind game until you go beyond the mind which is also a ' Veil '

' God's name is not important '


I agree with you 100%


The Tao that can be named is not the real Tao :D


Name's are used in the Material World, not the Spiritual... :smile:

So why do you bother playing mind games?

People are capable of discussion without bringing the level down to meaninglessness. But since you admit that what you are saying is meaningless it makes no sense to say anything.

Once again you are in the wrong section. This is the Judaic section. Not Taoism...

This is the JUDAIC section. Nobody has created any veils here.

Mind games to those who don't understand :D

No, take away the Section and everything comes back to the same Source..... Experienced individually,

Individuality in oneness.......


BTW you brought up Hinduism :D

I come to this section to talk about Judaism and not listen to your personal philosophy. You don't half spread yourself around.

:biggrin: But you brought up Hinduism, not me.

Arguments with sky apart....sometimes it feels as though the dense fog lifts or parts away and Yahweh shines through. This is 'outside' of my inner self. Being fair to Jesus I do feel that perhaps His will helps Yahweh come.

' The dense fog lifts and parts away '........... The veil :smile:

Arguments and differences of opinion are very different, the anger you feel makes discussions become ' Arguments ' but others see ' Different Opinions '

It's your choice....

Yahweh is very different to self realization and bliss. It is not a choice to experience Him this way. It is just how He comes across.

My term 'arguments' is not implying hostility. Just difference of opinion. The word 'argument' can mean various levels of disagreement.

Self Realization is when you realize something that has ' just come across ' ( using your words ).


BTW you don't know what Yahweh is so you can't say ' Yahweh is different '.

Yahweh is generally a foreign word for most people.

Elohim is even more foreign.


It should not be like that but it is.

If you have ever experienced Yahweh then you will know the difference.

Would you like to share the difference in your own words? It would be interesting as you seem to think Yahweh is coming back so you must have felt the presence previous to the departure.

No thank you.

As I thought :rolleyes: as I previously stated, you wouldn't know the difference, self realization is needed first....

Not so,

'Elohim is “gods” in Hebrew, but used to signify God. Essentially, Yahweh and Jehovah are two translations of God's true, holy name, and Elohim is another title, akin to English “God.” ... Yahweh is an older interpretation, used by early Christians.'

But as you Posted previously and I agree, names are not important :D
Words are Worldly, God is of the Spirit.

You are presuming something that is untrue. Words cannot describe the experience of Yahweh. But it is nothing like enlightenment.

For example the experience of Yahweh is full of the richness of culture and people and personality. Which enlightenment tends to avoid.

What does ' Enlightenment ' mean to you personally?

Lets stop this conversation. I cannot answer all your questions.

I get so scared of I AM that I want Yahweh to come back and save me from it. I guess that it is an unrealistic wish and that I ought to make peace with myself. I have no idea if Yahweh is self realisation. It is not implied in the Bible that He is self realised.

I am just a mixed up person....

I noticed :D

It's pointless if you Post,

' For example the experience of Yahweh is full of the richness of culture and people and personality. Which enlightenment tends to avoid.' and then you can't explain what enlightenment means.

You can't have a conversation with you, it's one way and as you say, best to end it....


If you don't know what ' Enlightenment ' is then you can't say ' Enlightenment seems to avoid '

I didn't say I couldn't explain. I was saying I cannot be bothered. Your questions are bothersome.

:biggrin: ......

Yahweh is the transliteration of the Hebrew word אֱלֹהִ֑ים. This is how the name was pronounced in Hebrew using our alphabet. There are at least 10 variations of how the word was pronounced. Today, the variations in pronunciations and the various meanings are rarely looked at.

Elohim also has different variations in how the word is pronounced and its meaning.

The word is translated as God (first creation account),
as 'great' as used in Genesis 30:8 "Then Rachel said, "I have had a great struggle with my sister, and I have won." So she named him Naphtali."
as 'gods' which is first introduced in Exodus 20:3,
as 'judges' which is first introduced in Exodus 22:9,
as 'god' which is fist introduced in Exodus 32:1,
and this does not exclude being called Angels etc.

As you Posted previously, names are not important. Names are worldly, God is Spirit. Individuals need to label things to be able to converse with each other regarding their personal experiences....

The Tao that can be named is not the real Tao.... :smile:

You forgot to add....."names are not important TO ME."

To some the name of God is important.

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In the two books of Kings, the people had fallen away from knowing Yahweh and were at one time worshiping the wrong Gods! The issue had to do with "God's name is not important".


Maybe to those who believe there are more than one God to worship :smile:

What is God's name?

God's name is very important.

In the Hebrew Bible, the name of God is the number one name mentioned in the Bible.

Also it should be noted:

In the Talmud - Mas. Yoma 35b, it reads:

" AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE TORAH OF MOSES THY SERVANT: FOR ON THIS DAY SHALL ATONEMENT BE MADE FOR YOU [TO CLEANSE YOU; FROM ALL YOUR SINS SHALL YE BE CLEAN BEFORE THE LORD]. AND THEY ANSWERED AFTER HIM: BLESSED BE THE NAME OF HIS GLORIOUS KINGDOM FOR EVER AND EVER!"

The footnote has an interesting note It reads:

"The priests and the people who stood in the Temple court and who, on hearing him pronounce the ineffable Name of God, prostrated themselves."

Which claims the Name of God was spoken by the Jews.

God's Name.
 

Yes, God has a personal name. When Moses was going up to the mount to see the burning bush, he encountered God. Let's take a look at what the Bible says happened.

"Then Moses said to God, 'Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I shall say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?' 14 And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, 'Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you,'' (Exodus 3:13-14).

As you can see, God declares His own name to be 'I AM.' However, some people say that the name of God is Jehovah or Yahweh. The reason this is said is that in Hebrew (the book of Exodus was written in Hebrew), the word for 'I AM' is אֶהְיֶה which is YHWH. These four letters are known as the Tetragrammaton. This is why a lot of English translations will say that the name of God is Jehovah or Yahweh. It is an English styled version of those four letters.

Nevertheless, God's name is 'I AM.' It is His personal name.

The name of God reflects His character, His existence, His Majesty, etc. Those of us who speak English don't really understand the sense in which the names used in Scripture carry meaning. One of the best ways we can understand this concept is with American Indians. They would have names like "Running Bear, " "Flying Hawk," etc. The names had a kind of signification that was supposed to represent, in one form or another, the character of the person. The same concept is applicable in Scripture where the names of people have meaning. For example, Noah means "hope, peace." Methuselah means "when he dies it will come." The Scripture is full of such types of names that have meaning.

Other "Names" of God
The Bible uses other titles and names for God, not in the proper name sense of "I Am." Some of the other names and titles of God are:

El Shaddai--"God Almighty" This title first occurs in Genesis 17:1 where God is renewing His covenant with Abraham.
El Elyon "God is Exalted" or "God most High" This title first occurs in Genesis 14:18-21 in the encounter between Abraham and Melchizedek. See also Deuteronomy 26:19; 2 Chronicles 7:21.
El Olam "The Everlasting God" This title first occurs in Genesis 21:33.
El Gibbor "God is Mighty"
The Ancient of Days is found in Daniel 7:9, 13, 22
The Living God is mentioned in 1 Samuel 17:26; Isaiah 37:17; Psalm 42:2; Jeremiah 10:10
The Lord God is used in Revelation 1:8; 22:5
The Lord God Almighty is used in Psalm 89:8
The Lord Most High is used in Psalm 7:17
Etc : https://carm.org/does-god-have-a-name

The ineffable Name of God, spoken of, was the name used in Exodus 6:3 which reads:

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them."

In Hebrew, God Almighty is בְּאֵ֣ל שַׁדָּ֑י which gets transliterated as bə·’êl šad·day.

In Hebrew, LORD is יְהוָ֔ה which gets transliterated as something like Yehovah. NOTE: this word definitely does not get translated as I AM. This can be easily proven by simply looking at the word in Hebrew.

Who claims that Jews never used the name of G-d. Certainly not Jews.

b’El Shaddai does not mean “G-d Almighty”, it means “as G-d Almighty.” “b’” is a preposition.

You are correct that the Tetragrammaton isn’t translated as “I Am.” It can’t be. It’s a third person singular form of the verb “to be.” It should not be transliterated as Yehovah since the vowel commonly printed with it, when vowels are provided, do not go with it.