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Thanks for sharring your view , to me life is beyond understanding and is not limited to finding joy ...as in my current view , joy or sorrow is same , from the same source of emotions ......perhaps "wanting" to be happy is the emotions that causing suffering and joy , and in my current view Buddhism is the process freedom of the desire not the effects of the desire.............. I currently cant find any reason to agree with you that " free of suffering" is the aim of life ........I wish to debate with you further on this if you interesed ......because as I currently understanding in Buddhism , happy or sad is the same and equal emotions.... |
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No...I guess you are too far from understanding my current view . In my current understanding , I cannot be emotionless or return to nothingness as long as I attached to the emotions ..........so Buddhism in my current view is the natural process that will separate ME-the original nature of nothingness and MYSELF- The emotions that causes my existence . This is never a faith or something I wish to believe ......this is my current condition / understanding with all the emotion I am in...... I think is fair to say that , we partly debated before and I indeed learned .......but in debate is does not means that we have reach to an agreement , just by debating it self is great learning source already . Dear Sir ........one of the very common nature of debate is disc-agreement and I think is fair for me to say that I never have intention to hear something that I wish to hear ...because in debate , I would expect dis-agreement not agreement ..... |
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In my current view , all living -human , animal, plant , micro-orgsm etc or non-living - rock , leaf , metal , pen , books etc is all in a process towards becoming nothing......this process is never being plan or cause by any factor , is just a natural reflections.......in human culture / knowledge , part of this process known as decay , rust , dead , living , rotten etc .........this process of all becoming nothingness as before polluted is to me - Buddhism . That is what I realized from two words said to be from Siddharta's - awake and emptiness . I realized that " awake" is like travel with a map or GPS ........by being awake , we will understand / discover even realize our emotion , reason of our emotion and as I progress further perhaps even realize my existence and the cause of my existence ......I then realized that as I journey into realization of own self ..........emptiness is within me , is my nature ..........I realized that the one I hold on to ....which I claimed as " My" ..."My car , my family , my body , my life " is resulted from the emotion that I hold on to....and I realized that ME owns nothing.....nothing is belong to ME ...but currently I still very far from "emptiness" , still full of pollutants ..........but perhaps as I progress into this path , the "rubbish" ( emotions ) that I carry will be reduced |
Dear wstein,debate perhaps is a strong words in Buddhism site .......but from my experiences , when I having " discussion" with so call " Master" , they give me no room to question them ........even there was a very-very well known " Master " ' Abbot"......told me to just to learn from him without any question just like him learning from his teacher .......
So if I use the word " debate" ...many prepared for a challenge on their views ......infact to me is never my intention to challeenge their view , is me challenging my view basing from their views.... |
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Perhaps you is judging base on your own personal reason , for that you are entitled to your view ........a shoe will looks bigger if you place it on the table , and looks smaller if on the floor and even cant be seen after 100 meters from you ...the shoe is never changing it sizes , you are ......... So if we are looking on others to fit in our knowledge , we will always confused ourselves as knowledge is something we know on a particular moment .....is always subject to change . So if you wish to accept my view is a form of religion , it will always provide reasons to fit in your view....... To me , awaken to Buddhism , I realized that Buddhism is all about learning , discovering never finding reason to fit in or gain knowledge ......... I debate not to seek agreement , by just debating I will learn ........and learning a tiny little part of Buddhism , is just like a piece of sand that makes a building...I hope you stay and share with me .... |
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Keep in mind that people can feel challenged even if you are not intending to affect them in any way. Simply causing them to focus on something they have internal doubt or conflict is often seen as a challenge even if you were only addressing your own issues. I have not 'debated' with any Buddhists masters. I have noticed when interacting with leaders and masters from other Eastern traditions that most of those 'teachers'/masters are actually very angry below (and not very far) the surface. Questioning or challenging them brings this out very quickly. Not sure the cause, just noting it. |
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I don’t see any basis for being awake causing understanding. Being awake does bring clarity which can aid understanding. However, understanding is a separate thing and unnecessary to being awake. I often find that I have acted in a most appropriate way only later to realize that I have done so. It’s an active version of ‘being’. Sometimes afterwards I come understand why, sometimes I don’t. To act from being awake is about being and expressing. I see no need for any understanding to occur in that process. Personally, I express ‘awake and emptiness’ as ‘present and detached’. I’m not sure if that is any easier to grasp for the unawake or not. I do find the practices for being present and being detached easier to access for the yet to be awaken. As to ‘me’, I assume you are referring to identity which many mistake to be themselves. One of the things that helps me clarify to others that there is no fixed boundary between me and not-me is to ask them where exactly they end and ‘other’ begins’. Within reason, the physical body stops at an easily recognizable point. Ones energy and electric field (aura) extends well beyond that. The effect of actions extends even further abroad and continues past your lifetime. Ones gravitational affect spreads till the end of the universe. So exactly where do you stop? Using the more tangible aspects of ‘self’ makes it much easier for the mind to get a grasp on the concepts. While the above only addresses the issue of identity being arbitrary, it often leads to the more important discovery that the very concept of me is only an arbitrary label. |
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Yes , you also notice that ? Being a human , I notice that many "Buddhism Teacher" whom always talk about compassion / love but do get angry when their views being challenged............. But...awaken to Buddhism concept , I realized that is my suffering / emotion to make any assumption / judgement on them ......they always entitled to their path , they are always in their learning lesson to discover their emotion same as me ....no one is right or wrong , every one is discovering own emotion by own action / re-action .........so if I make judgment on their action basing on my knowledge I will always in a circle of emotion that will drag me into longer journey .........so to me Buddhism is all about ownselves ..........so is always my reason , my realization on my path thats moves me never others ...so they can get angry as their wish but I just learn and carry on my journey without livin in their life............... That is my current understanding on Buddhism concept . |
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My current understanding is that there is never any " boundary" , is just like a dirt on a cloth ........the dirt is attaching on the cloth . In my current view , "ME" is nothingness .....is total nothing , is universal condition for all living or non-living ...... and myself is the emotions which I claimed to be mine - my fear , desire , pride , love , greed ... this emotion is the energy that causes my existence and myself will always exist as long as myself exist . Buddhism is the natural process that will detached Myself from "Me"................so myself will stop to exist by a process leading to freedom of all emotion . So awaken to Buddhism , we will just flow into the sea not swimming against the current .......... In my current view ,"our physical body" perhaps is never belong to us , is never related to us ...perhaps "death or birth" is the physical body own journey that is never related to ourselves......I hope to discuss more on this with you if you interested ... |
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