I was reffering to the power of the written word.Not to whom the letter is adressed.
I forgot i'm in the christian section.
(i'm out of here)

Seems like some people have no problem to believe that they can have direct connection with God,but they do have a problem to recognize that there's someone who manages this connection.

lomaz-im confused by your response?? Yes there is power in the written word-but you take God away from the equation and substitute with the subconscious mind-therebt suggesting that slayer of light has a problem in his subconscious mind-however, if you jave been reading and following his posts-you can easily see that He feels GOD let him down.

to try and explain to someone about the power of the subconscious mind when his anger is at God is apples and oranges my friend.

And yes I do believe in direct communication with God and I do recognize that the "someone" who manages the connection is the triune God-God the Father=God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Seems like if someone disagrees with you-you pick up your jacks and go home-no need to blame it on it being a christian forum and no need for you to be out of here just because we have different opinions, views, or beliefs.

I didn't said that,nor i substituted god with the subconsious mind.These are just your conclusions.
And by the way,i have more christ in me than you think.

I don't care about your beliefs my friend.I care for those who dare to raise their heads against the lies we've been fed all these centuries.

Good luck with the unanswered prayers:hug3:

Oh,and since you have direct access to god,tell him to guide slayeroflight,so he can have his prayers answered.
Problem solved

People think they know god,without first knowing themselves.
This is at least ridiculus.

this is how I see it, I believe in God, Jesus. But not the institution. The institution took God's word and arranged it to benefit them in a time where most people were at best poorly educated and extremely superstitious. The institution took full advantage of the "sheep" that idea is still heavily used and unfortunately works even today. I believe in cause and effect, or "free will". In my mind God is like a father who wants the best for there child and wants us to learn valuable lessons. For example. You pray for a new bike for your birthday. And he doesn't give you one. Maybe he wants you to earn the bicycle. Maybe he knows by you earning the bicycle "if you want it bad enough" you will go out and do certain things to earn it. In the meantime your character gets stronger, you learn new things. Hell maybe you learn you didn't want a bicycle in the first place. Maybe you really want a car. I don't believe he punishes, the institution wants you to think it, gives them power. He doesn't delight in your pain. Karma always does work itself out. It's always up to you to make the final choice and to keep in mind cause and effect. Here's a very detailed example of this. "Cause" you treat yourself like your trash. "Effect" other people will. ECT,ECT. It not God doing it. It's the person doing it. That's free will/ cause and effect.

The reason for prayer is union with God. God has answered my prayers, as long as they are within His Will and design for me. I am sure we all have testimonies as to how God has answered they're prayers.

I will share one thing that happened to me two days ago. Two nights ago, I had about the equivalent of a dollar in my pocket and literally nothing to eat the next day. I asked God for money to at least get some food to keep me sustained for the duration of "work" and not to starve. I needed money the next day. The following morning before I even woke up, some one sent money into my account. This strange occurance has happened before many other times, but only when I prayed.

Now here's the thing, I don't work a job for an income, neither does my wife. I used to work Data mining for some firm before I left all that to serve God. Left my sweet apartment and personal plans, you know the drill. My wife used to work for a Casino and had a catering business before an left all to serve God, and at the time, we hadn't yet met when God gave us those instructions. Family finds odd that I made that decision; I find it wierd too, and the wifes family has literally rejected her. We are full time Evangelists and this is all we do, we don't draw an income from this, God provides nonetheless in ways that still shock me! Especially when I pray for it. It's hard living outside ones comfort zone especially after working for good pay.

Somehow, my wife and I live in a decent apartment and God says we are to move to a better one next month and we're still packing but only God knows where the rent and moving fees and other expenses will come from, never gone hungry, do charity work, look healthy and owe nobody. In fact, I'm living pretty well as compared to the past. I still don't know where rents gonna come from, but haven't delayed a month. All I have to my name is a laptop, clothes, Data mining books, a duvet and blanket, a smartphone and a small GSM phone for when I am fasting... my net worth is like under a thousand dollars, but we're living fine and I owe that to God and Him alone, as it is stated in Philipians 4:19. We both had to leave our comfort zones of our own physical might and mental power to rely fully upon God, and thats who I rely on. But when we pray, He answers.

I have many testimonies! I would be so glad to make Testimonies with you too!!! This is a joy for me!!!

Faith is key! It doesn't come from the Body or the Mind, nor the subtle body.

A. Praise the Lord!

lomax-step back-mh initial post was too slayer of light-you inserted yourself into it-your anger is unwarranted and not mine to accept-no thanks-its yours. as far as what I think about whether you have Christ in you or not-not my job to judge that-in fact it never entered mind.

Please do not tell me what to pray for another human being-if you want prayers offered up for slayer of light then step up and pray for him yourself-who are you to tell someone else to pray?

and finally, take care and be blessed. I hope you are able to resolve whats gotten you so upset-but its not mine nor will I take it on

Sure, what's his email or mailbox number? No kidding, I'd be more than happy to let him know what I personally think about him.

Trust me, it is utterly disheartening for me to say this, but the God I personally know (if he exists) is more hideous than a tapeworm.

Thanks for your insight. But about the cause and effect thing, I disagree. If someone treats me like trash, it's not because I treat myself like trash, but simply because that person is a moron that is to be avoided at all costs. I hope you may realise that some effects are caused by something we have no control of. And no... Before you bring it up, we don't 'plan' our life before birth neither (not me at least). As much as I already hate myself, I refuse to believe I'm actually that dumb. I love myself a tiny bit too much in this case.

I agree with what I have seen, yes.
Being Born Again...sometimes being Baptized in the Holy Spirit makes all the difference.

But, even then, I have said before there is a formula to prayers being answered.
There are books on how to pray effectively...
all my prayers are answered and even things I just think about that I need...
Research successful prayer... is what I suggest to people instead of giving up...

Dig your heals in and research, I say, geeze Louise.

Throwing a wrench in frustration at an engine never fixed anything.-Miss Hepburn :D

There is 0,0% chance of some higher force looking out for me. I can no longer believe that. However, I got friends, and by that I mean true friends who have looked more out for me than any deity ever did. And no God or imaginary entity comes between me and them.

Let me say this: if your goddesses, aliens and other deities are truly out there, then I have no interest in them if they don't reveal themselves one way or another to me first. Why? Because I'm sick of chasing after others. I'm never going to beg anyone or anything ever again and that includes humans too; I'm not going to try and get close to anyone unless they have personally proven to be genuinely benevolent. I have no holy offerings to offer your goddess and if that makes me unworthy of her then I simply don't care.

But on top of that, I wish you good luck with her if she is a source of happiness for you. It's not my place to Judge that.

Like with most instances one needs to know the bigger picture . If you don't you could be praying for one thing while unconsciously creating the opposite .

A simple explanation / example would be praying for oneself or for another in that they get well and strong and recover from a serious illness when there has been the creation of experiencing the illness . How is a prayer going to out trump your own creation? How can a lifetime chosen to experience poverty be answered with a prayer for a lotto win?

There are so many layers involved and prayers normally come about because there is only awareness of a level where there is suffering and lack .

It's a natural response for many to pray for the ending of suffering's but peeps can think that their prayers are not answered because their sufferings are still ongoing ..

Now one can either blame God or brexit or they can entertain an understanding that things are the way they are for a reason ...

Just find out the reason if you can ..

Then the blame game always falls at one's own door .



x daz x

I think your sentiments are fully understandable. I happen to share them.

I have never made a sacrifice or offering to anyone in my life. Nor have I begged anyone for anything. Nor would I ever prostrate myself in front of someone or humiliate myself to gain favour.

I generally don't ask for anything, but on the rare occasions I really needed help, it was offered freely and with no strings attached.

I really think you should re-evaluate your view of the beings that inhabit Heaven. My personal experience with them has been nothing, but positive. They have always been highly benevolent and helpful. I'm sorry if your experiences were negative, I can only speak for myself here.

sounds more like satan to me!

What if Satan is God's alter ego?

Why does an atheist care if prayer works or not is my question? :tongue:

I'm not sure whether prayers work or not. I give thanks to something other, and send best wishes for others, because I am thankful for this life I have. It's certainly not been a perfect life. I've had losses. But there's a choice. Grow for the better from these losses, grow bitter from these losses. Or get stuck. The choice is yours.

His soul is yearning for the Truth, his ego a stumbling block, his body a den of sin. But he will find the truth; he will find God.

Slayer of Light, you will find the Truth. You are marked for Salvation, that's a Cross on your back. You belong to Jesus Christ... you haven't found out yet. You will deny. But everything that gets close to the fire eventually changes regardless of its resistance.


Peace and Love Slayer of demons, Giver of Light! Just remembered this post when that time comes.

@ SlayerOfLight

Your perfect right where your at.
Because here is what you may or may not know.
It will change.
The energy of Life goes one way or the other.
What your going to do about it or how you will perceive it (Life) is the energy you will create.

Many of people have gone dark and popped through into the Light.

Many of people have put their faith in friends and have found fulfillment.

Many have found answers to prayer from the strangest things
because it really doesn't matter since all is connected,
natural and Spiritual laws are self correcting.
Just hold on for the ride.

You'd do a lot better Aknaton if you didn't go off on one. The lad is not full of sin.

The imperfections we think we see in other people that trigger us the most are the imperfections we loath in ourselves.

I didn't realise this was in the Christian forum. But I am also interested why an atheist would be here if not for some kind of seeking.

me too perhaps someone will say something that opens a new door of perception which applies to anyone here and me too I always hope for that. but strangely it seems to be untruth that animates people I mean the untruth we see in others whereas unclaimed truth, not the kind that is claimed, seems left alone. I for one haven't gotten to the bottom of this paradox

I agree, people don't choose to get cancer, but they choose how to deal with it. You shouldn't hate yourself. I am sure you Hurd that a thousand times but people can be a reflection of the energy you put out. That too is cause and effect. Check out my signature, I live my life by that qoute.

He's belong to himself.Unfortunately you're the one who needs salvation from the ego.
The only truth that no religion will tell you,is that we are all unique.Just find me someone upon this earth having the same fingerprint as you.

And by the way,i have good news for you and all religious people who choose to dedicate their existence to those 'gods'.

When you die,you'll be absorbed-merge with them.You'll be absorbed by something that it's not divine,but a purely human made construct.

You have allready commited the biggest sin,which is to denny your own self.

Have fun.

No-one consciously in their right mind would choose to get terminally ill but there is much that has gone on behind the scenes that one isn't aware of .

People that are born to poverty and war torn countries do so because they choose their parents .

They choose their parents because their parents have created the ideal environment for them .

There are so many layers to this as my previous post explained .

If we base everything in life from our immediate levels of self awareness then things can look a little one dimensional at times .



x daz x

@ JosephineBloggs, thanks for reply. I admire how you stood up for SOL against my post. This is a quality that is lacking in the Christian circles, to stand up for ones own.

@sky123, that is true. Look closer at that message; that is Slayer of Lights Guardian Spirit/Angel. The third part about peace and Love, Slayer of Demons and Giver of Light is from me. We are all imperfect, but it's not a bad idea to strive towards it.

@lomax, thanks for your opinion. You are right, I do have ego, it's been rough trying to get rid of it. I wouldn't mind a shortcut out of it though, kinda like one where you call Pfizer for ego elimination pills... guess thats not the case. I liken the ego to a mountain that needs to be climbed and overcome.

There it is again, the nasty dig at the end. If you can't sense the love from him then maybe ask yourself why and look at yourself again. Peace

Lomax...i would appreciate it, if you would elaborate on the above for me.

Sorry.
It's a huge topic and i have no energy to elaborate on it by typing.(i'm not good at it).
It'll be a pure mess of wrong phrases.

Atheists that I know personally do seek to understand why others believe as they do, as we seek to understand why they believe as they do, it's human nature to try and understand others and I think the world would be a better place if we all practiced understanding without judgement, me included...

@Aknaton. I just noticed your SF post count as of your last post written on this thread: 266, and post number on this thread 66. Does this mean anything to you.

" We are all imperfect, but it's not a bad idea to strive towards it."



Strive towards what?
Are New Born Babies imperfect?

Best not to judge and put everyone in the same category that you percieve as being imperfect.

Posts 266: Acts 26:6.

How do you see it JosephineBloggs?

Acts 26:6 "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers". Do you feel judged? Do you judge or condemn others?

I think that's a good point and also shows the issue with faith in general. It's very easy to be a believer and when things go well say that god/divinity is on your side. When things don't go well, and I don't mean having the blues or something trivial, it becomes very hard. You have to understand people in general very much cling to a shred of hope, those fleeting bits and pieces in life that make it worthwhile. We all cling to that but eventually we learn and experience it is all temporary, fleeting, and vulnerable. Life is fleeting, then you die, and you probably start over again creating more and more mess and stuff you get attached to. All for what?? It's the dumbest game ever.

This is why many spiritual paths seek the Absolute and seek an escape from all of that. It's not the world itself that is the illusion but our experience of it, and how we fool ourselves..

I know you're an atheist now, but if you weren't trust me it gets even more annoying to think about these matters. An atheist is actually in a very easy position and can discard most of what I said.

That didn't make much sense but okay then. I don't see how my body is a 'den of sin' though. Yes, occasionally I like a drink, but I don't bother anyone. Yes, I'm a blasphemous a.hole, but blasphemy is a victimless crime. If your god's self-esteem is under fire each time I say something blasphemous, then he simply needs to grow up.


But fair enough, thanks anyway.

How you deal with it is the effect, while the cause is cancer. We aren't in control of both the cause and effect; they are just what they are. The effect is the result of something happening, which can be randomly good or bad, depending on how one feels about it.

Not sure what you mean that other people are a 'reflection' of my energy though. What I personally know myself to be true as someone who personally met over 100 people in a few years, a lot of people (especially those my age) are self-centered narcissists. Your energy or vibes can be as high as possible, yet those kind of people will still leave you to die in the ditch when push comes to shove. It has nothing to do with energy, but attitudes. I know that because thankfully I met a handful of good people who like to have me around. If my energy really stinks that much, I'm pretty sure even they would've pushed me away.

I'll tell you one thing that being an atheist isn't an easy position neither. One does not simply become an atheist after having been religious for many years, because your thoughts and feelings will constantly be in conflict.

This is true and what I came to learn in the end as well, that's why my focus these days is less on energy and more on how can I be a better person in this world?

A lot will probably disagree, but honestly the whole vibration/energy stuff is a joke. It's indeed much better to focus on your own attitude and behavior rather than energy. Feel-good sayers claim that the higher your vibration, the more likeable people you attract. But that's just nonsense. If anything, it makes you an easy target for narcissists and psychopaths. Just be yourself, and treat others the same way they treat you, or how you wish to be treated. Always return kindness with kindness and you're there.