-0+ The mind tool

[Sammy]

I have for a long time continued a build explaining the three symbols in the title (-0+), and how it has worked for me. As where im sure it might be interesting it made explaining how to use this theory daunting at best. Because we are all different I have been trying to come up with a way of explaining how I see this theory working, but without leaving out any sides. The theory at large is meant to help one find thier center and how that can be connected to others as a whole.

I had recently had someone link me a page of a similair way of thinking (more left or artistic side) reffered to as MTF (mysterious, true, false). I feel this leaves out alot though as far as being able to apply the theory to yourself and more focused on the outer options at hand. It advertised how it can make you wealthy and get ahead in business, etc... but how will that bring differences to an end? Where as this could still be the result with my theory its geared toward how what you do connects to others. A good background for this theory is "string theory" and "laws of physics". Anyway here is my diagram and theory, to the point as best I can manage.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i227/drakaria/TheMindTool.jpg

The possitive and negative forces are what we use to create our center or "total options for the matter at hand". The right and wrong (black/white) would be the actual facts of what took place (known or unknown publicly). Outside of what others see we know our truths of events, but how it is seen is taken into acount before the acts themselves.

The main problem I have found with any line of thinking toward balance or wholeness, is that its impossible to be whole or complete if even one person is outside of your capacity. To find inner balance and wholeness is achievable but as I stated "its geared toward how what you do connects to others." and if others are outside of your reach the whole is 1 less, and that makes it a seperation. No matter how big or small the seperation it is not whole.

The more you go in search in yourself to reach others, the more is shown to you that your path is not alone. This search has gone on for thousands of years and in every way possible. The idea of wholeness is not new, but putting the ideals before yourself is what leaves your mark on that path in a new form.

What we want as individuals and what others want is very similair to how we deal with what our mind wants and what our body wants. The offset in this interaction is our consciousness being able to discern one from the other and place it to our liking (if the person thinks toward doing so), many have resigned themselves to listening to thier body and forgetting the mind shapes our body and character as much as the other way around.

Everything stems from our conscious choices and is our true center of self. At this level in basic form is blank because outside of any thought a mind is just that and outside of a signature. Our choices create that signature and frame it into our character and how we rely on our brains responses for interaction. This is why we need to be responsible for how its seen and obsolve difference in how our acts are understood.

Also using our failings as a step up is how we learn, we just have to get used to admitting it when it happens. An individual is as responsible with connecting to someone as that someone is in response. It seems like the only thing we miss in a world united is a common ground, wich is rediculous because its been the same ground forever. Just neither side wants to relinquish ownership (be it ideas or dirt) because of what they can gain. Im just curious what we could gain if we shared our ground toward a common and truely universal goal.

[Sammy]

Something to think about, what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use, and I mean from a tribal native to the richest man to ever live? So far the only thing I can think of is a cup, and its been near a year now with asking on forums.

[Silver]

This is fascinating, yet I am left scratching my head. Not too sure about it cuz it's like a maze, where you enter, where you exit, maybe a personal illustration would help people understand it a little bit better, I know it would me. Also, are you asking a question?
:redface:

[Sammy]

It depends on how you apply the tool as far as where you are. If the matters at hand are on a personal focus (where am i going?, what path should I take?) Others reaction to your path would be taken into acount on your choice of action, but not the focus of the result.

If its being applied in the sense of "how do I fit in with others" the main focus would be what you do as much as what others will enjoy/connect with.

You dont realy enter this or leave, its just a different way of seeing what our consciousness can do if applied.

The reason its so jumpy (a possitive act to one can be a negative to others and vice versa), is we are jumpy and open to flaws. To compensate there is our truth (choices with the matter at hand) and the real truth (right and wrong). to demonstrate this point it would be like two people saying thier sides but niether one will admit fault. The middle ground of thier sides would be the truth of the matter, as its the result of the situation (this is done by deducing the facts).

[Sammy]

Also, are you asking a question?

My second post I was yes. "what is something EVERYONE would accept and use, from a tribal native to the richest man on Earth?"

[Deusdrum]

yes, that is funny Silvergirl, i am just past the fourth paragraph of the first post, and i felt compelled to post saying that it is fascinating, so far. Was scrolling down to do so, and here i see i am not the only one with 'fascinating' coming to mind.

Interesting indeed.

*edit* Finished. wow. I love it Sammy. Feeling what you're kicking here, most definitely. I would add my thoughts, but my thoughts are that it makes perfect sense. Maybe something will come to me, beyond this, at some point. But for now.. love it. Bout as much as i can say.

[Sammy]

yes, that is funny Silvergirl, i am just past the fourth paragraph of the first post, and i felt compelled to post saying that it is fascinating, so far. Was scrolling down to do so, and here i see i am not the only one with 'fascinating' coming to mind.

Interesting indeed.

*edit* Finished. wow. I love it Sammy. Feeling what you're kicking here, most definitely. I would add my thoughts, but my thoughts are that it makes perfect sense. Maybe something will come to me, beyond this, at some point. But for now.. love it. Bout as much as i can say.
HAHA thanks for saying so! You are deffinately not alone in this fealing as I was left bewildered during most of it as well. As they say though, "if the shoe fits".

[Silver]

My second post I was yes. "what is something EVERYONE would accept and use, from a tribal native to the richest man on Earth?"

I personally would HOPE that everyone uses a toothbrush, ha.

[Sammy]

I personally would HOPE that everyone uses a toothbrush, ha.

HAHA I agree a toothbrush is a good thing.

[nventr]

Dear Sammy,
It seems we are soul mates!!! Not only do I understand your drawing but I too have drawn a "Blueprint" of the soul. You can see it on my website

www.JesusWedding.com

[Sammy]

HAHA @ "A womb or a tomb". I think you are right, "the diagram" makes complete sense to me even at first glance. I did some light reading but ill let ya know once im fully emersed. :)

[Sammy]

Im astounded by our simularity in how we express our results. I learned alot of background on things I understood but didnt "know" with the diagram. I also had a book idea like yours (never felt compelled) but I even have a outline written up. Thanks a bunch for the link! :D

[Sammy]

I was pondering the possibilities of why our theories crossed, they seemed to almost explain eachother. Whilst taking a shower it hit me. The blueprint is just that the blueprint or map, and the tool or consciousness is like the compass. Alot of my theory has been tied into history on all sides, it seems we centered the same focus but concluded on oppisate sides of deffinition.

Again it amazes me how God works with humanity HAHA.

[nventr]

I couldn't believe it either. Amazing how the same idea hits 2 people who, as far as I know, have never met or crossed paths.

Goes to show there is a collective unconscious.

[Sammy]

Agreed :) Im glad our theories could meet HAHA :P

[nventr]

I have updated my website to include the energy flows. Your cup is there. And so is the spear.

Kind of hard to be motivated when the best response so far has been a raise eyebrow.

I can't tell you how nice it is to find someone who truly understands.

[Sammy]

I enjoyed it much! thanks for the update!. I also have updated my work HAHA :D This was the finilized version I had made on my notes.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i227/drakaria/Themindtool-0.jpg

[nventr]

This looks like Buddha's Diamond Sutra in scientific lingo. Love it!

[Sammy]

Very interesting read, thanks for the reference. Frustrating though that the diamond sutra is read by the disciple, but I was never able to find the actual sutra itself. just the story of buddha and desciple talking about it, any ideas?

[Saggi]

Hi Sammy,

I was strangely drawn to your post!

I received and saved a symbol randomly slightly different to yours about a year ago, I'm wondering if you can interpret this?

++0+

Love and hugs

Jo

XxXx

[nventr]

I googled "Buddha's Diamond Sutra" and found gobs of translations.

www.messagefrommasters.com/buddha/diamondsutra/diamondsutra1.htm

I don't know this guy or anything about his group, but I like this translation simply because it is easy to read.

In my very quick search, I also found that one of my favorite authors has a new book:

The Diamond That Cuts Through Illusion by Thich Nhat Hanh.
I'll have to check that out.

This sutra is basically about keeping the mind in the middle. What I would call the yin/yang point in your diagram. Don't judge anything. Nothing is good or bad. It just is. Don't matter what practices you do. Don't matter how much charity you give. Keep your mind at the middle point.

Very hard thing to do.

[Sammy]

HAHA agreed.

[Sammy]

I have come up with a few issues with my original design when fitting Kundalini rising, and Kabbalistic Tree of Life diagrams into mine. My description of my theory became MUCH easier once I didn't have to rely on defining the color within (individual life). I realized it only fit one way, after many failed attempts to combine the diagrams together.

There is also 36 lines going up and down, I had done this originally for fun because of the "36 Righteous Men". Minus the outline of the pyramid on bottom. It ended up fitting quite well and had a lot to do with figuring out the final configuration. It also portrays a person in the shadow of a pyramid.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i227/drakaria/-0_zps229d12c6.jpg

[Sammy]

Does the center or neutral, give the impression of conscious life or just life? Im wondering if I should change that.

[Sammy]

I came up with this poem this morning. Thought I would share it. My theory in poetry.


I Am-

At first I looked to heavens lights, to see the beauty within.

Then I looked to the past for lights, to show the beauty within.

Then I stretched out my arms, to hug the beauty within.

For if I am not a part of within, I will be beauty without.

[Sammy]

Ok so I have been trying to come up with some kind pattern with the DNA spiral. I had the feeling I was getting ahead of my self and was rightly due. I tried to see the two halves like a sand dial, and how it might apply. The pos and neg symbols I realize are backwards. Left/negative/past, neutral/present, Right/positive/future. Although neutral will always be our moment of "now" our consciousness goes everywhere, to offer the point of view. (symbols are correct in diagram above, but not my in newest release)




Before time, the sand dial was full and no gravity pulled on its grains. For time to start you would have to - 1 grain of sand from the whole. The moment this happens would be at present time, but once it falls through the eye it will be in the past and behind us. The past cannot change and is already laid out, but serves as a solid memory, also symbolized with the shape (-) being one direction. The future has many avenues, lots of unknowns and just about anything could happen, showing a large range of options and also symbolized in the (+) being any direction.




So a test run, to show you all what I mean in better detail.




If the center is your present time "right now" and we wanted to go back to the beginning of time, we would go all the way to the left/negative start point. From here you would see nothing behind you and the entirety or the worlds life in front of you.

[Sammy]

I thought I had posted my new pics, guess they didn't show up. Here is some of my newest designs, thought I would get your guys opinions on it. This new one is made with a upright and inverted Tree Of Life, overlaying each other. The kingdom marks would be centered in between the two shapes, as the grey ball instead of at the ends.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i227/drakaria/Atom_zpsd9e87af3.jpg

[Sammy]

Here is with the DNA molecule added.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i227/drakaria/AtomicTreeofLife_zps182f8f20.jpg

[r6r6]

Something to think about, what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use, and I mean from a tribal native to the richest man to ever live? So far the only thing I can think of is a cup, and its been near a year now with asking on forums.

Toliet paper?

r6

[Sammy]

Toliet paper?

r6

OH GOD I WISH!!!

A tip... Don't go to the middle east and shake with your left hand! HAHA

[Sammy]

Someone else did come up with a knife for a answer though. It kind of shows the polarity of survival, one to separate liquids and one to separate solids.

Then a kettle would be both solids and liquids, and we use a bowl to separate. A good analogy can be made here from cosmic soup to Earth.

[r6r6]

OH GOD I WISH!!!
A tip... Don't go to the middle east and shake with your left hand! HAHA

But your cooment was .."what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use"....

So are you saying that all people in the middle east have been offerred toilet paper, but refuses to "accept and use it"?.

Maybe some fundamentalist would refuse out of principle of not having anything to do with an infidel, even one who comes bearing gifts of free toilet paper.

My guess, is that many 3rd world peoples do not have easy access to toilet paper. Maybe I misunderstood what "accept and use" means.

r6

[Sammy]

But your cooment was .."what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use"....

So are you saying that all people in the middle east have been offerred toilet paper, but refuses to "accept and use it"?.

Maybe some fundamentalist would refuse out of principle of not having anything to do with an infidel, even one who comes bearing gifts of free toilet paper.

My guess, is that many 3rd world peoples do not have easy access to toilet paper. Maybe I misunderstood what "accept and use" means.

r6

No your answer is broad in use, but as you said 1 person might not. I even debate about a knife, but hasn't everyone cut something? Even if its butter, or a veggie?

[William]

The main problem I have found with any line of thinking toward balance or wholeness, is that its impossible to be whole or complete if even one person is outside of your capacity. To find inner balance and wholeness is achievable but as I stated "its geared toward how what you do connects to others." and if others are outside of your reach the whole is 1 less, and that makes it a seperation. No matter how big or small the seperation it is not whole.

The way around the problem is to accept that yes, 'we are all connected' and no, 'we cannot make anyone else agree with the view.'
In this, we accept that 'others' may choose to never in their life see all is connected but that in their doing so does not signify then that this is your failure.

The more you go in search in yourself to reach others, the more is shown to you that your path is not alone.
This search has gone on for thousands of years and in every way possible. The idea of wholeness is not new, but putting the ideals before yourself is what leaves your mark on that path in a new form.

Why assume that this particular physical reality we are all experiencing is meant to be for that purpose?
Ideally it would be great but practically speaking it is not likely possible. Perhaps if we were more a hive minded species we might be better equipped to be this thing, but we are not.

[r6r6]

No your answer is broad in use, but as you said 1 person might not. I even debate about a knife, but hasn't everyone cut something? Even if its butter, or a veggie?

Your comment ...""what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use".....was broad in use also. I replied in kind with a specific item.

Toliet paper, food, water, air except for those who have mental disability or fundamentalist religous mental problem. imho

r6

[Sammy]

Your comment ...""what is something that EVERYONE would accept and use".....was broad in use also. I replied in kind with a specific item.

Toliet paper, food, water, air except for those who have mental disability or fundamentalist religous mental problem. imho

r6

You are right, and since then when I post it I have changed the wording to an object anyone would accept and use. Meaning man-made or usable by man as a tool.

Sorry for any confusion in my wording!

[Sammy]

Hi Sammy,

I was strangely drawn to your post!

I received and saved a symbol randomly slightly different to yours about a year ago, I'm wondering if you can interpret this?

++0+

Love and hugs

Jo

XxXx

OMG!! Not sure how I had missed this post and SOOO sorry for doing so!! Very interesting symbol placement.

3 positives and 1 neutral....
----
*4 sides, square, 1 is different but why? Consciousness maybe, or point of view?

*2 pos in polar relation to 1 pos. Maybe a way to remove negative? 1 pos on neutral makes 1 negative. So if negative joins with positive, giving its body to that side it makes it neutral. So now 2 pos are on a neutral, making its polar relation another positive.

[r6r6]

You are right, and since then I have changed the wording to an object anyone would accept and use. Meaning man-made.
Sorry for any confusion in my wording!

Right, toilet paper is man-made.

Here in the states, I learned how to use large leaves---- mullen when I could find it ---when I worked with a old timer tennant farmer who had never lived out of the county his whole life.

He used his hand sometimes but I could barely bring myself to do ever do that. I was 18 at time, and now when I look back, why didnt we take toliet paper with us when were out in the back 40 installing fencing etc..?

Even then tho, you can lose it or it gets wet or whatever.

Wheres a bedouin in the desert going to find a large leaf?

Ok guys were going to air drop parachutes of toliet paper to the bedouins today. :wink:

r6

[Sammy]

The way around the problem is to accept that yes, 'we are all connected' and no, 'we cannot make anyone else agree with the view.'
In this, we accept that 'others' may choose to never in their life see all is connected but that in their doing so does not signify then that this is your failure.



I don't see it as my failure, but a theory to create a wholeness or equality will fail if 1 person is left out. Not just on my own.



Why assume that this particular physical reality we are all experiencing is meant to be for that purpose?
Ideally it would be great but practically speaking it is not likely possible. Perhaps if we were more a hive minded species we might be better equipped to be this thing, but we are not.

We are not, but it does present itself. When people are in search of a wholeness idea, they will need guidance for it.

[Sammy]

Right, toilet paper is man-made.

Here in the states, I learned how to use large leaves---- mullen when I could find it ---when I worked with a old timer tennant farmer who had never lived out of the county his whole life.

He used his hand sometimes but I could barely bring myself to do ever do that. I was 18 at time, and now when I look back, why didnt we take toliet paper with us when were out in the back 40 installing fencing etc..?

Even then tho, you can lose it or it gets wet or whatever.

Wheres a bedouin in the desert going to find a large leaf?

Ok guys were going to air drop parachutes of toliet paper to the bedouins today. :wink:

r6

It was a good guess! Like I said I wish we could.

Muslims often prefer to perform istinja, or cleaning with water, instead of toilet paper. Some use toilet paper to dry off after cleaning with water.

[joelr]

Wouldn't things like "right choice and wrong choice" be purely subjective?
Any choice only has meaning when you judge it, but it's impossible to always make correct judgments.

Say you find a bottle of painkillers in your medicine cabinet a roommate left behind. You decide to catch a buzz once in a while which leads to seeking out a dealer and a full out opiate addiction.
Would seem like a bad choice. But later you see it led you to join recovery groups where you learned spirituality so now it's a good choice.

In physics positive and negative charge are not subjective. There is a third group also, neutral.

[William]

I don't see it as my failure, but a theory to create a wholeness or equality will fail if 1 person is left out. Not just on my own.

I don't understand you. When you say 'person' do you mean real live people? Do you include people who once lived, and ideas such as angels and demons?

???

[Sammy]

I don't understand you. When you say 'person' do you mean real live people? Do you include people who once lived, and ideas such as angels and demons?

???

It would apply to any conscious life, the guidelines for such I am not able to specify with any accuracy. However as for demons and angels, it would seem to me a conscious aspect.

I have also wondered. If we exist within a eternal body or spirit, wouldn't that mean it was alive in the beginning? It would have to always be alive "eternal". Its very possible we ourselves are the angels and demons in our spirit form, with God the gravity that holds them together.

[Sammy]

Wouldn't things like "right choice and wrong choice" be purely subjective?
Any choice only has meaning when you judge it, but it's impossible to always make correct judgments.

Say you find a bottle of painkillers in your medicine cabinet a roommate left behind. You decide to catch a buzz once in a while which leads to seeking out a dealer and a full out opiate addiction.
Would seem like a bad choice. But later you see it led you to join recovery groups where you learned spirituality so now it's a good choice.

In physics positive and negative charge are not subjective. There is a third group also, neutral.

Most of my theory is based around the neutral, I tried not to focus too much on pos and neg. :smile:

I would say this was a bad situation turned good, but good may have been had without said addiction. I don't live a sterile life, but I don't overdo it either. You can go crazy staying in a box all the time, its good to get out once in a while just keep it cool.

As with most addictions they are hiding or trying to turn off a part of themselves. So this may be a choice but it is also a consequence of choices that others have done to them.

[William]

It would apply to any conscious life, the guidelines for such I am not able to specify with any accuracy. However as for demons and angels, it would seem to me a conscious aspect.

I have also wondered. If we exist within a eternal body or spirit, wouldn't that mean it was alive in the beginning? It would have to always be alive "eternal". Its very possible we ourselves are the angels and demons in our spirit form, with God the gravity that holds them together.


What would you call this one consciousness?

[William]

Some might call it 'god' but do you think this is the best name for it, since 'god' is usually associated with 'good' (the +) which of course is separated from 'evil' (the -) but essentially the idea of 'god' could just as well be (the 0).

Collective consciousness...

[William]

I have also wondered. If we exist within a eternal body or spirit, wouldn't that mean it was alive in the beginning? It would have to always be alive "eternal". Its very possible we ourselves are the angels and demons in our spirit form, with God the gravity that holds them together.

I can accept the idea from that position and also from a position in which the brain creates consciousness but consciousness survives the brain.

[Sammy]

Sorry William not sure why these didn't show up as new posts!!

I tend to call it whatever the person best associates to it, as a title isnt needed for the understanding of it.

I would agree, consciousness survives our human brain. I am perty sure the memories are saved though. Like, doing actions is like cutting the lines in a vinyl record. Expanding outward in wave form (equal and opposite).

[William]

Sorry William not sure why these didn't show up as new posts!!

I tend to call it whatever the person best associates to it, as a title isnt needed for the understanding of it.

I would agree, consciousness survives our human brain. I am perty sure the memories are saved though. Like, doing actions is like cutting the lines in a vinyl record. Expanding outward in wave form (equal and opposite).

:)

There is more grey area than black and white. I look at spiral galaxies as kind of information discs.

[William]

It would apply to any conscious life, the guidelines for such I am not able to specify with any accuracy. However as for demons and angels, it would seem to me a conscious aspect.

I have also wondered. If we exist within a eternal body or spirit, wouldn't that mean it was alive in the beginning? It would have to always be alive "eternal". Its very possible we ourselves are the angels and demons in our spirit form, with God the gravity that holds them together.


Sometimes I do see it that way. Consciousness and the physical universe seem to be oxymoron.

What the hey are we doing here?

:)

Nonetheless here we are.

If you have read Tom Campbell, he understands that consciousness evolved from 'the void' (much the same way scientists generally think consciousness evolved from the brain) but I tend to think it could have always existed and that Tom's T.O.E. 'begins' at the void and extends out from that point, fractal-like exploring possibilities...but to me it looks more like a trail which suggests a search for meaning and purpose and essentially a search for the SELF.

Imagine looking at the void and wondering at the mindlessness of such a 'parent'.

No other consciousness to explain to you what you are.

So the void represents a beginning, and as far as I can tell, anything with a beginning always has a source (just as the void is Tom's explanation for the source of consciousness) and in his opinion there is no need (or rational necessity) to wonder on anything to do with 'what created the void' (because it can not be penetrated, apparently) but the easiest explanation is that Consciousness has always existed and possibly the void represents the expression of that consciousness wondering what a beginning would be like and designing a way of experiencing that.

'We' are the consequence of that action. Consciousness fragmented and trying to understand itself.

Our physical universe is but one 'path' created to explore that question...we know what it is like to have a beginning (as well as what it is like to have others who have been here before us, tell us what we are) but ultimately we each decide 'what we are' and of necessity also have to include 'others' in that evaluation.

(-)&(+) seem to be the means by which more paths are created to explore. (0) thus represents that path we are on where the need to know 'who' we are is now answered.

[Sammy]

Precisely! I couldn't have said it better myself HAHA.

I always kinda giggled to myself because it also looks like a doorway or portal.

O

:smile: