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dreamer
18-09-2006, 06:38 AM
Is it true that Islam teaches that women should cover themselves up from head to toe during this life but then that when a man goes to heaven he gets 70 virgins to pleasure him in infinite ways forever? This seems strange to me it's like totally repressed on earth and pornographic in heaven - weird, and the west is condemned for the same pornography that it seems exists in allah's heaven so maybe heaven for a muslim is like america on earth except that america is apparently the devil incarnate and must be slaughtered??

Does anyone know about this, it strikes me as odd.

developing1
18-09-2006, 05:03 PM
Is it true that Islam teaches that women should cover themselves up from head to toe during this life but then that when a man goes to heaven he gets 70 virgins to pleasure him in infinite ways forever? This seems strange to me it's like totally repressed on earth and pornographic in heaven - weird, and the west is condemned for the same pornography that it seems exists in allah's heaven so maybe heaven for a muslim is like america on earth except that america is apparently the devil incarnate and must be slaughtered??

Does anyone know about this, it strikes me as odd.

Hi dreamer,

Dude where did you get this stuff from? lol:smile: muslim women can choose to cover themselves or not-it's solely down to personal choice with regards to the America thing it has nothing to do with porn but the fact that America has invaded many muslim countries and commited many attrocities against muslim people- this is where the hatred of the west stems from mainly due to America and Britains foriegn policies

most Muslims are peaceful people but you're always going to get extremists in every religeon- look at the christian church during the crusades! what I'm trying to say is that if you saw foreigners commiting attrocities against your brothers and sisters then you would want to fight them too!

just my thoughts

developing1:wink:

BLAIR2BE
18-09-2006, 10:10 PM
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Ascended Master
01-10-2006, 01:52 AM
So I'm told, suicide bombers wear multiple pairs of pants, in order to protect "theirselves" for when they are awarded their virgins! :confused:

BLAIR2BE
01-10-2006, 02:08 AM
well i would too.................;>)

Ascended Master
01-10-2006, 02:49 AM
well i would too.................;>)

lol yes, true!
The holyest of holys make us what we are? lol

BLAIR2BE
01-10-2006, 03:09 AM
lol .. if i expected 40 virgins after death, id want to be intact;>)

ross
01-10-2006, 04:52 PM
you're always going to get extremists in every religeon- look at the christian church during the crusades! :

never mind the crusades, look at the present day Republican party, George W.B. et al. The Christian evangelical movement originally called themselves Fundamentalist Christians.

Ascended Master
01-10-2006, 06:21 PM
never mind the crusades, look at the present day Republican party, George W.B. et al. The Christian evangelical movement originally called themselves Fundamentalist Christians.

Exactly!

Those endtimer idiots that were on TV the other week!!!! lol
What on earth 'possessed' them to tell people to prey for the end of the world?
If that's not a severe negative 'doing' (that operates against the laws of our own free-will) God knows what is! :angel5:

Cheers Ross.

AM

SIKH
23-10-2006, 06:08 PM
heres a interesting article i found with sources from the quran:
take the time to read this.its all true.

Answer a few questions:

Wasn't muhammad( be upon him) a paedophile?

Wasn't muhammad(be upon him) a rapist?

Wasn't muhammad(be upon him) a terrorist?

Wasn't muhammad(be upon him) a sex addict?

Didn't muhammad believe in sodomy and promise you young boys along wiv virgins in his self created jannat?

Finally was muhammad the prophet of the true lord? if yes why did he justify paedophilia, sodomy hate, terrorism, taking women as booty in war
.
He says alcohol is banned for you here coz it's intoxicating but promises 'rivers of wine' coz it won't be intoxicating....i wished sumbody had taught him alcohol is intoxicating.

I SLAM islam.........it sux


Read this:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html


The X-RATED PARADISE OF ISLAM


In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."



YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.



As mentioned in my previous article, famous poets in Arabia glorified homosexuality. As an example I am including a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your <admin-profanity filter activated> who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils


Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?

WATER

One of the major problems in the desert of Arabia was shortage of pure water. Mohammed knew very well that to the Arabians, fresh water was an item of luxury. So promising them abundant pure water, river, fountains and springs in paradise would defintely lure them to murder, loot and plunder people of other religions in this life.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised: it is watered by running streams..

Koran 3:198
As for those that fear their Lord, theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams in which they will abide for ever, and a goodly welcome from God...

Koran 3:136
...These shall be rewarded with forgiveness from their Lord and with gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Blessed is the reward of those who do good works..

Koran 15:45
The righteous (will be) amid gardens and fountains (of clear flowing water)

Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams..

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: In it are rivers of water incorruptible;

Koran 55:50-51
In them each will be two springs flowing free; Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:66-67
In them will be Two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains...

Koran 56:7-40
...They shall recline on couches raised on high in the shade of thornless Lote trees and talhs; amidst gushing water...




WINE

Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are...rivers of wine...

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:

Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk...



FRUITS

So far Mohammed has presented a very appetizing picture of Paradise, but then it struck him that sex is no fun on an empty stomach. Besides that one needs lots of nutrition in order to have the energy to perform with so many Houris and young boys. The prophet was an expert on this subject having honoured every one of his numerous wives and mistresses with a nightly visitation on one single night. Besides the only fruits he had ever gotten to taste in this life was some dates and dry pomegranates. So heaven had to be furbished with an inexhaustible supply of every variety of fruits.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised.. eternal are its fruits, and eternal are its shades..

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for, festing on fruit and honoured in the gardens of delight...

Koran 43:68-73
...Such will be the garden of which ye are made heirs for your deeds. Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: ...In it are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord..

Koran 55:47-49
Containing all kinds of trees and delights.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:52-53
In them there will be fruits of every kind, two and two. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:54-55
...The fruit of the gardens will be near and easy to reach. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:68-69
In them will be Fruits, And dates and pomegranates: Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
...Secure against all ills, they shall call for every kind of fruit..

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with ...fruits of their own choices and flesh of fowls that they relish..

Koran 76:13-21
...Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them...

But the best was yet to come. The highlight of life in Islamic Pardise is the fact that one doesn't have to go to the toilet. All merciful Allah had miraculously provides a much better system for getting rid of body waste. You simple sweat it out (probably after all that sex or belch after consuming all that fruit and wine)

Quote from the Hadiths:

Sahih Muslim Book 39, Number 6798, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
I heard Allah's Apostle (pbuh) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement, nor suffer catarrh. It was said: Then, what would happen with food? Thereupon he said: They would belch and sweat (and it would be over with their food), and their sweat would be that of musk and they would glorify and praise Allah as easily as you breathe."



WEALTH

Mohammed wanted to ensure that his followers would not be obsessed with 'worldly things' in this life. So he made sure that they have plenty of worldly things to pursue in heaven.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams. They shall be decked with pearls and bracelets of gold, and arrayed in garments of silk.

Koran 43:68-73
Enter ye the Garden, Ye and your wives, in beauty and rejoicing. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all that soul could desire, all that the eyes could delight in: and ye shall abide there in..

Koran 55:70-77
..They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains, arrayed in rich silks and fine brocade...

Koran 55:54-55
They will recline on carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade...

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches..

Koran 76:13-21
..They shall be arrayed in garments of fine green silk and rich brocade,and adorned with bracelets of silver..

Mohammed's promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the fulfillment of all sorts of wordly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the name of Allah. Even after death, the spritually deprived Prophet of Islam could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual heights of the soul.

bassitalii
09-01-2007, 12:46 PM
article posted by sikh is totally one sided. its a kind of effort to modify the context.

read the article and answer my questions........

i believe that the true followers of some prophet are the spiritual men and women in his Umma

Name any of the spiritual heads who practiced the above described things.
Refer any tradition or verse that tells what Muhammad preached had practiced himself first.

did he commit adultery
did he drink wine
did he enjoy any sort of material benefit
did he perform sodomy
did he etc etc

the marriaged he performed in his life time had clear cut reasons
he remained married to an old woman for the first fifty years of his life
he was known as the most truthful person of his tribe or the people
he lead a very simple life
he remained hungry for even three days ( and that too in that times when he could take any thing from any one)

how should we not consider such things

ljepotica
11-01-2007, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure where you got the article from Sikh but the prophet Muhammed was very pure. He married four women-but we have to remember that firstly he was never wed to more than one woman at any given time and secondly women in those times didn't have the freedom that they have nowadays, he married a widow to help her and his first wife was a trader and years older than him.

When Allah asked if the enemies of the new founded religion should be punished for the bad things they did towards the new religion and people the Muhammed said "no, their grand childern could become Muslims"
How many people would say something like that to their enemies today?

Muhammed was so honest and truthful that people of other faiths used to leave money with him-knowing that they would get it all back.

There was no paedophilia where Muhammed was concerned-he was strictly against it and there is no mention of innocent virgin boys in heaven-I don't know where that idea came from.

Islam is a religion that is widely mis-understood. It is a religion of peace and unity, it's not corrupt as some so called "muslims" living nowadays have made it.

The only time you have permission to attack someone is REAL TRUE Islam is when someone comes to attack your country or people-and then ONLY those people that come to attack you-and not all of the west as some Arab countries seem to want...

Islam also has many sects just as Christianity has. You cannot judge an entire religion by what certain sects do or feel.