View Full Version : I don't think we need channelled messages re; ascension.
Holly
28-12-2015, 01:39 AM
I recently found a few channelled messages about ascension and the future of mankind. For the first time, I wasn't keen.
I don't feel I need to know all these things! I've grown my own guidance system, a GPS of the soul. I have my own direct, conscious link to God that tells me everything I need to know, at exactly the right time for me, about spirit, life, body and path. I don't need an angel to tell me the future, or to reveal things out of sight, or to fill my head with information that ultimately gets me nowhere because...it's just more encouragement to think.
That's the downside of channelled messages. I don't find a lot of real spiritual development happens while you're thinking. I've found that development happens when you STOP thinking...so channelled messages about the future feel like more of a mild nuisance than a help. I feel trusting and relinquishing control and information might be more important than knowing what will happen in the future.
It's just words. One opinion, one stream of thoughts. Whether info is accurate or not, thinking about it is only going to do one thing – it will move your mind about, cause you to let go of beliefs or form new ones. But it won't achieve liberation.
Inner guidance should always trump any outside help anyway. I know messages can be comforting, and I get that some people want outside guidance. Fair enough, I used plenty of it myself in the past.
It's just that I've come to a point I don't want it myself any more. It's like applying medicine to a body that doesn't need any help healing itself. Unnecessary, pointless, and it fails to honour my natural ability to do this unassisted. I was MADE to do this. Why would I need that kind of help? At most...I just need comfort at times when my mind causes me suffering.
I think, in a way channelled messages are a deception. The angels know these ascension promises messages don't provide liberation and can't. They recognise that while people are still thinking they aren't enlightened, but they send the messages anyway for the good they do. It's just perhaps not the good some people seek from them. The messages are just to change people's minds enough so that they can create their OWN advancement.
An important distinction, I feel.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 02:04 AM
I recently found a few channelled messages about ascension and the future of mankind. For the first time, I wasn't keen.
I don't feel I need to know all these things! I've grown my own guidance system, a GPS of the soul. I have my own direct, conscious link to God that tells me everything I need to know, at exactly the right time for me, about spirit, life, body and path. I don't need an angel to tell me the future, or to reveal things out of sight, or to fill my head with information that ultimately gets me nowhere because...it's just more encouragement to think.
That's the downside of channelled messages. I don't find a lot of real spiritual development happens while you're thinking. I've found that development happens when you STOP thinking...so channelled messages about the future feel like more of a mild nuisance than a help. I feel trusting and relinquishing control and information might be more important than knowing what will happen in the future.
It's just words. One opinion, one stream of thoughts. Whether info is accurate or not, thinking about it is only going to do one thing – it will move your mind about, cause you to let go of beliefs or form new ones. But it won't achieve liberation.
Inner guidance should always trump any outside help anyway. I know messages can be comforting, and I get that some people want outside guidance. Fair enough, I used plenty of it myself in the past.
It's just that I've come to a point I don't want it myself any more. It's like applying medicine to a body that doesn't need any help healing itself. Unnecessary, pointless, and it fails to honour my natural ability to do this unassisted. I was MADE to do this. Why would I need that kind of help? At most...I just need comfort at times when my mind causes me suffering.
I think, in a way channelled messages are a deception. The angels know these ascension promises messages don't provide liberation and can't. They recognise that while people are still thinking they aren't enlightened, but they send the messages anyway for the good they do. It's just perhaps not the good some people seek from them. The messages are just to change people's minds enough so that they can create their OWN advancement.
An important distinction, I feel.
We create through the whole, its all there to create and partake in as we choose. Everything we seek supports the whole, so even as you have simply changed the way you wish to do things, it supported you and brought you to this moment to know all this.
Process can be as important to the whole as angels are to learning to listen to yourself.
As it does for others.
If you feel messages are a form of deception, its about you and how you feel. Not necessarily in general.
I thought I would offer that distinction.
Life is process. Not just end results.
Greenslade
28-12-2015, 10:17 AM
It's just words. One opinion, one stream of thoughts.As is yours.
Whether info is accurate or not, thinking about it is only going to do one thing – it will move your mind about, cause you to let go of beliefs or form new ones. Exactly.
The channelled messages aren't here just for you, they are here for others too. When you begin to 'join the dots' a different picture emerges, that of energetic connections and the flow of energy from one being to another, from one layer of existence or dimension to another. Personally I don't pay much heed to the channelled messages because often they simply don't resonate with but sometimes they do, and when they do they connect me to something greater than myself that other people are experiencing too.
engellstein
28-12-2015, 11:48 AM
I think there is a spectrum of awareness and each individual is on some part of that spectrum but not all of it.
In other words, I think that some spiritual stuff is meant for some people but not others because of where they are currently spiritually.
I think a lot or all of those channeled messages about the End are all fabrications, I don't think they're actually going to happen. Given what I've come to know about how energy and knowledge work, I think that those messages are merely interpretations of an energy stream the channeler has tapped into.
Perhaps there's merit in the underlying energy of that stream, but there is a difference between the underlying energy that gave way to the interpretation and the interpretation.
Everything in this life is just a story when it comes down to it. This stuff is just another story. Religions are stories. The way we live our lives are stories. I don't put stock towards these channeled stories but I'm sure it benefits others out there, where they're at spiritually.
Belle
28-12-2015, 11:53 AM
A lot of thoughts!
My struggle with ascension is what is it? It implies a hierarchy (to me) and therefore we get value judgments of some with high vibrations battling with lower vibrational entities (judgment) and we are subjected to all sorts of subjective stuff.
Some channelled messages are good. I've benefited and I know you have Holly. But I also know the ease in which we can go into our own ego with channelling. . I don't find a lot of real spiritual development happens while you're thinking. I've found that development happens when you STOP thinking...so channelled messages about the future feel like more of a mild nuisance than a help. I feel trusting and relinquishing control and information might be more important than knowing what will happen in the future.
Yes. When we stop thinking, we allow purer messages to come through. But messages about the future are dangerous. There is always free will. It is important to stay in the moment, focusing on the now, lookingi for the joy and the beauty in the present (even if it doesn't feel like it), accepting and observing without judgment.
Lorelyen
28-12-2015, 01:06 PM
I don't even know what a channelled message it - assuming the terminology to be new age jargon. On googling, 355,000 results came up so even wading through the first 20 would take more time than I care to spend.
In being taught and during trance or deep contemplation, in pure consciousness I receive messages that are more akin to telepathic shots of insight that expand in the stillness perhaps to a meaningful verbal phrase, maybe a sigil, a diagram, could even be a (quasi-)musical event. Sometimes something verbal comes my way. Getting into pure consciousness is something I'm reasonably used to. Occasionally an image fixes itself in inner vision.
I never receive messages actually about the state of the world, the nation or spirituality. I may be told to look or consider something so I suppose it's assumed that I'm up to assessing the world without aid (for my own purposes, of course). I really don't know.
Interesting.
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Holly
28-12-2015, 01:18 PM
As is yours.
Exactly.
The channelled messages aren't here just for you, they are here for others too.
I know it's just my opinion :) That's why I said 'I think' and 'I feel' so much. It's just a personal moment of realisation, it's not intended to be a generalisation at all ;) I don't feel anybody else should follow the same path I do, just in case I gave that impression. And naturally I know the messages are here for everybody. I'd be a very self centered person if I didn't!
I was just saying how I've begun to feel about some messages regarding the future, that's all. Really all that adds up to is I feel I'm being given my own guidance now. That should be comforting, it means that people are able to guide themselves to a minor or major extent, without outside help. I think that's quite empowering ;)
Lorelyen
28-12-2015, 01:29 PM
I think, in a way channelled messages are a deception. The angels know these ascension promises messages don't provide liberation and can't. They recognise that while people are still thinking they aren't enlightened, but they send the messages anyway for the good they do. It's just perhaps not the good some people seek from them. The messages are just to change people's minds enough so that they can create their OWN advancement.
An important distinction, I feel.
So that's what it's about? You've saved me reading through 355,000 google results. I won't comment because regardless of validity, if it leads some to create their own advancement it has to be useful. For the rest...who knows? A deception? Probably.
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Holly
28-12-2015, 01:42 PM
So that's what it's about? You've saved me reading through 355,000 google results. I won't comment because regardless of validity, if it leads some to create their own advancement it has to be useful. For the rest...who knows? A deception? Probably.
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I'm not saying it's a BAD deception :) I'm just saying that the way I personally viewed messages at one point (and some others probably see them similarly too) was incomplete :) Messages helped me hugely in the early days. That's why the angels give them, and because the words carry energy...but I think it was the energy of love I really needed, more than the words which are more for the mind.
The deception is justified and actually it doesn't matter, because the benefit outweighs it. I just noticed it recently and decided to point it out :)
BTW I do my development an expansion similarly to you, I think. I don't get messages for the world or anything either, (that may be because I refused to channel for the archangels in that way 4 or 5 years ago. I didn't feel comfortable being an instrument for energy flow when I can't predict what effect it may have on others, even if it's only a mental/thinking effect.)
vespa68
28-12-2015, 02:17 PM
I can tell you that a lot of those messages are **. Not everyone needs to know about ascension, only the ones who are actually going to ascend. They know who they are and they would not broadcast any information to other people. Only a few can ascend, extremely advanced souls who have worked hard on knowing their true selves.
Holly
28-12-2015, 02:55 PM
I can tell you that a lot of those messages are **. Not everyone needs to know about ascension, only the ones who are actually going to ascend. They know who they are and they would not broadcast any information to other people. Only a few can ascend, extremely advanced souls who have worked hard on knowing their true selves.
Funny you should say that. I understand exactly what you mean.
Actually, none of my guides ever call it ascension. We don't have a word for it between us. The information I've received about it can't be translated and it would be useless to other people in any case. It's unique, like a personalised codex. I only ever speak about the mind-side of ascension, for others who want to build a mental path to acceptance. I can't talk about real ascension. There aren't any words. I try with God, and I just cry until I'm drained and full of peaceful light.
It's true that "ascendees" know who they are. No amount of doubt or fear can change it.
What's more NONE of the channelled messages or descriptions of ascension experiences even come CLOSE to expressing adequately, how it really feels. They're not even shadows of it. The words are meaningless compared to the experience, almost laughable in their attempts :) You can't word that sort of peace, or even the process of acquiring it.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 07:13 PM
Holly-I'm not saying it's a BAD deception :) I'm just saying that the way I personally viewed messages at one point (and some others probably see them similarly too) was incomplete :) Messages helped me hugely in the early days. That's why the angels give them, and because the words carry energy...but I think it was the energy of love I really needed, more than the words which are more for the mind.
In the personal creation of where messages come from, if you look at you as someone remembering how to accept you more complete, the creation of who gave those messages is really you anyway, imo. The whole idea of channelling something, when your channelling a part of yourself at the level of unified consciousness was just an idea made up by you and others as being the source. So you can name the thing your channelling anything you need it to be. So in some ways you have only ditched who you choose as the one creating the messages, when in fact your own spirit was calling itself back to itself. We sometimes need the whole energy of process to remember what is whole already in the deepening of love for all beings as part of the unified consciousness.
The deception is justified and actually it doesn't matter, because the benefit outweighs it. I just noticed it recently and decided to point it out :)
There is only deception as you know yourself deceiving you, even as another in any creation may be deceiving you. That is the part many don't get. All aspects outside of you are you in how you feel. Even as you might not know it to be this way yet when still caught up in the external thing being the problem and cause.
BTW I do my development an expansion similarly to you, I think. I don't get messages for the world or anything either, (that may be because I refused to channel for the archangels in that way 4 or 5 years ago. I didn't feel comfortable being an instrument for energy flow when I can't predict what effect it may have on others, even if it's only a mental/thinking effect.)
We are the world. And as you build that knowing in self in trust, then trust deepens to express yourself more openly as you are showing. Channelled messages, your only channelling yourself as I mentioned. Of course sometimes in the open expression as a unified source, sharing yourself in ways you might not like comes into growth for some who accept it. But that requires deeper trust and deeper listening to know more than you know now to share more of yourself. The not knowing in not being able to predict is part of trust.
Aside from all what I am saying, I hear you quite clearly in where you now reside and are choosing to create yourself from and as. :)
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 07:22 PM
I can tell you that a lot of those messages are **. Not everyone needs to know about ascension, only the ones who are actually going to ascend. They know who they are and they would not broadcast any information to other people. Only a few can ascend, extremely advanced souls who have worked hard on knowing their true selves.
****?
Everyone is ascending (if you want to talk ascension) even if your doing it more aware of yourself or others in the way they are..NOthing is left out of the whole. Consciousness doesn't discriminate like humans do. The whole notion that things cant be broadcast is just human nature creating ideas around love and consciousness that knows no limitations. In an open natural state of connection to love everything is happening, everything is connected and everything that is pushed under the carpet is humans pushing it or limiting it in some form. Its the whole notion that advanced souls versus another not being advanced or ascending and not ascending is just another comparison where life is being and doing what it needs to do where it is right now supporting itself and life even if it may not look like this. :)
I would agree with you about one line though. Not everyone needs to know about ascension because only those that are choosing this creation, will use it as a means/tool to grab a hold of. Others live by other forms of creation and quite possibly don't need to know life in this way. Its pretty simple, people follow what calls them. Life is what you make it, and your the co creator. As are we all. In the end all paths lead to the same place. What names, labels/creation we place over life unfolding and what we are experiencing, is just what humans do as part of being a co creator.
vespa68
28-12-2015, 07:39 PM
@naturesflow. Its not about elitism, its about evolved consciousness that goes beyond a 3D world. Not everyone can leave this illusion, most would not be ready to face all their fears, etc. One would have to find their true core self and with it they would FULLY have to face themselves. If they dont have the level, they cannot do it, its simple. Ascension means to ascend one's physical body to a light body and this can happen very fast. The earth is ascending too, to help this along. What I can say is a lot of people if evolved enough can awaken and go much higher. A lot of people talk about ascension but dont really know what it is.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 08:28 PM
@naturesflow. Its not about elitism, its about evolved consciousness that goes beyond a 3D world. Not everyone can leave this illusion, most would not be ready to face all their fears, etc. One would have to find their true core self and with it they would FULLY have to face themselves. If they dont have the level, they cannot do it, its simple. Ascension means to ascend one's physical body to a light body and this can happen very fast. The earth is ascending too, to help this along. What I can say is a lot of people if evolved enough can awaken and go much higher. A lot of people talk about ascension but dont really know what it is.
Life has been what life has always been doing, moving itself. We are part of life and movement as a whole.
This is your story your holding onto. It serves you where you are at. It was created by you to tell to me here in this moment.
The moment has gone.
Humans have access to so much knowledge now seen through the eyes of so many knowledgeable people creating their lives, supporting other lives, but in the end we tend to hold onto them and forget that life is not static in any shape or form of itself. But then we don't see ourselves as part of this view, which creates these attachments we hold.
If you were to let this story go right in this moment yourself, what might you see then? what if you stopped thinking this story, what might you create then?
I am not attached to you, your story or what others might think is true or false around all these human facts about how life is being itself.
Life is being life in everyway it is choosing to create this life. Simple really.
When your sixty five years of age, come speak to me about your story then, you might surprise yourself.
http://soulspottv.com/blog/video-i-am-nature-change-life/
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 08:48 PM
Funny you should say that. I understand exactly what you mean.
Actually, none of my guides ever call it ascension. We don't have a word for it between us. The information I've received about it can't be translated and it would be useless to other people in any case. It's unique, like a personalised codex. I only ever speak about the mind-side of ascension, for others who want to build a mental path to acceptance. I can't talk about real ascension. There aren't any words. I try with God, and I just cry until I'm drained and full of peaceful light.
It's true that "ascendees" know who they are. No amount of doubt or fear can change it.
What's more NONE of the channelled messages or descriptions of ascension experiences even come CLOSE to expressing adequately, how it really feels. They're not even shadows of it. The words are meaningless compared to the experience, almost laughable in their attempts :) [QUOTE]You can't word that sort of peace, or even the process of acquiring it.[/
Who says?
vespa68
28-12-2015, 08:59 PM
@naturesflow. I am not sure what you are trying to convey. Its not about right or wrong its about understanding different levels of consciousness and leaving behind an illusion if one has that ability. Some people can do it and some people cant. One cannot be taught how to ascend an illusion by some channeler.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 09:09 PM
@naturesflow. I am not sure what you are trying to convey. Its not about right or wrong its about understanding different levels of consciousness and leaving behind an illusion if one has that ability. Some people can do it and some people cant. One cannot be taught how to ascend an illusion by some channeler.
But is this your illusion your creating out of what you think an illusionary life is?
The different levels are really just the depth of knowing you know and remember yourself as you can know yourself and others.
Where you see limitation I see potential. So when you say people can and cant, I wonder where your looking to build that view..
IN life we can know much, in death we don't know anything really until we meet it, but if you allow the potential of life and the unknown of death to meet in you, do you know what transpires? Potential of the unknown into that knowing, which is anything really, endless possibilities for anyone in anyway of life in life or life in death. No end.
DO you feel this life is it for ascending? Do you only believe in life for this purpose of itself? Do you feel that as you look at what you know that this is all there is to life itself?
Good golly gosh.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 09:14 PM
@naturesflow. I am not sure what you are trying to convey. Its not about right or wrong its about understanding different levels of consciousness and leaving behind an illusion if one has that ability. Some people can do it and some people cant. One cannot be taught how to ascend an illusion by some channeler.
One can be taught, shown, supported by anyone in anyway of their choosing.
Holly
28-12-2015, 09:17 PM
Who says?
Who says what, naturesflow? That you can't describe it? *confused*
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 09:24 PM
Who says what, naturesflow? That you can't describe it? *confused*
If you are being that kind of peace and living it as such, how can you not be you in everyway you are?
Words inclusive of that deeper feeling of peace.
Holly
28-12-2015, 09:35 PM
If you are being that kind of peace and living it as such, how can you not be you in everyway you are? Words inclusive of that deeper feeling of peace.
I didn't quite mean my comment that way. I see what you mean now. Yes, ppl can use their words that way and I do. But what I mean is that there's no English for the feelings of love, bliss and connectedness to God (and God inside) to adequately describe my ascension experience. I mean that I try at times, but words always fall short of the beauty of it.
And there are also layers of the experience that aren't translatable.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=Holly]I didn't quite mean my comment that way. I see what you mean now. Yes, ppl can use their words that way and I do. But what I mean is that there's no English for the feelings of love, bliss and connectedness to God (and God inside) to adequately describe my ascension experience. I mean that I try at times, but words always fall short of the beauty of it.
That is because the experience itself is not you. It is you becoming you as all that, so as you then express yourself as that experience it no longer needs to be expressed as an experience but as you. So that is what I meant.
And there are also layers of the experience that aren't translatable.
That is often because the experience itself is not really part of the translatable yet, not fully.
Melahin
28-12-2015, 09:56 PM
@Holly it sounds like you are becoming more heart centered.
Are we with the word ascension talking about transcending the need to be in this reality?
Light Seeker
28-12-2015, 10:17 PM
I've found that development happens when you STOP thinking.
I can relate to this very much.. In both Clairaudience and clairvoyance, The very instant one brings ones personal individual focus to bear. It vanishes . Which is qiet understandable really as Theta and Beta frequency are very clearly different . Any how.. As a Channel we are instruments that have relinquished temporarily our own this life sentience.
As a Reader/ Medium you must only give what you get as it is received..Any personal embellishments have in my experience only queered the pitch somewhat, which has kind have shot myself in the foot somewhat as I appear to be quiet florid sometimes when giving off.
Holly
28-12-2015, 10:28 PM
@Holly it sounds like you are becoming more heart centered.
Are we with the word ascension talking about transcending the need to be in this reality?
Yes I am :) I've been feeling very different lately, since I swapped from being all head to mostly heart. I've learned how to make decisions in life based on feeling. It's a very nice way to live! :smile:
Well, when *I* say ascension...it's hard because words don't really cut it but I'll try. My definition is that there are multiple realities happening at once on Earth. The highest reality I've seen is unity, total oneness, but humans still have individual bodies made of glowing flesh. Their world is totally clean, no pollution or fear, no war or anger, just love. They still appear to eat (for pleasure, from what I can see) have children, make love, have homes...they just do everything lovingly so the atmosphere is much different to my world at the mo.
There are already a LOT of humans living there, many of which sort of...(I think) SLIPPED upward into another world, like a paralel reality joined to this one by occasional doorways. Like stepping into Narnia. There wasn't much science about it I don't think. They just realised they could and PLIP, gone into another world. They can walk back and forth as they please between our world and theirs. Interestingly they can die, but not like we do. they know they're immortal. If they want to change or swap flesh they just drop their body, and their flesh dies.
They can pop in and out, come into life through natural birth or some just make a body where they stand, or 'deconstruct' their flesh into atoms, store it away...and reconstruct it wherever they want to appear (perfectly solid, like you or me, too!) Some just walk about bodiless like naked souls and everyone can see them, nobody bats an eye ;) They're all laughter and love, though they appear to be able to feel something similar to poignancy when things change, like somebody leaves their body behind, but it's not sadness or grief like we feel. It looks more like loving sadness, awareness of massive change without grief or fear.
Their Earth is COVERED in trees, everything glows with gentle loving light. I've visited a few times by sending a piece of myself there, and met the locals! They live just behind my house, where their fields stetch right to the horizon, growing where our 3D houses stand.
There's more to the feelings and awareness of being there than that conveys. More bliss and power, more God and more beauty.
I was amazed at first by how human they are. They still do all the physical actions of life like cooking, cleaning, washing and making clothes, but the way they do it is totally different. They're very connected to their physical, as connected as they are to their spiritual, if that makes sense. They seem to really enjoy being human, honour it and make the most of it. They see a whole galaxy of potential too, they're not limited to one world. They have technology, too ;) Spaceships are pretty commonplace, huge, metallic, beautiful things that appear to leave absolutely NO carbon footprint and don't even disturb the trees or the perfect balance of voices and wind as they take off.
Ascension to me is going PLIP and walking into that world. :smile:
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 10:45 PM
Yes I am :) I've been feeling very different lately, since I swapped from being all head to mostly heart. I've learned how to make decisions in life based on feeling. It's a very nice way to live! :smile:
Well, when *I* say ascension...it's hard because words don't really cut it but I'll try. My definition is that there are multiple realities happening at once on Earth. The highest reality I've seen is unity, total oneness, but humans still have individual bodies made of glowing flesh. Their world is totally clean, no pollution or fear, no war or anger, just love. They still appear to eat (for pleasure, from what I can see) have children, make love, have homes...they just do everything lovingly so the atmosphere is much different to my world at the mo.
There are already a LOT of humans living there, many of which sort of...(I think) SLIPPED upward into another world, like a paralel reality joined to this one by occasional doorways. Like stepping into Narnia. There wasn't much science about it I don't think. They just realised they could and PLIP, gone into another world. They can walk back and forth as they please between our world and theirs. Interestingly they can die, but not like we do. they know they're immortal. If they want to change or swap flesh they just drop their body, and their flesh dies.
They can pop in and out, come into life through natural birth or some just make a body where they stand, or 'deconstruct' their flesh into atoms, store it away...and reconstruct it wherever they want to appear (perfectly solid, like you or me, too!) Some just walk about bodiless like naked souls and everyone can see them, nobody bats an eye ;) They're all laughter and love, though they appear to be able to feel something similar to poignancy when things change, like somebody leaves their body behind, but it's not sadness or grief like we feel. It looks more like loving sadness, awareness of massive change without grief or fear.
Their Earth is COVERED in trees, everything glows with gentle loving light. I've visited a few times by sending a piece of myself there, and met the locals! They live just behind my house, where their fields stetch right to the horizon, growing where our 3D houses stand.
There's more to the feelings and awareness of being there than that conveys. More bliss and power, more God and more beauty.
I was amazed at first by how human they are. They still do all the physical actions of life like cooking, cleaning, washing and making clothes, but the way they do it is totally different. They're very connected to their physical, as connected as they are to their spiritual, if that makes sense. They seem to really enjoy being human, honour it and make the most of it. They see a whole galaxy of potential too, they're not limited to one world. They have technology, too ;) Spaceships are pretty commonplace, huge, metallic, beautiful things that appear to leave absolutely NO carbon footprint and don't even disturb the trees or the perfect balance of voices and wind as they take off.
Ascension to me is going PLIP and walking into that world. :smile:
The world you see is the world in you.
naturesflow
28-12-2015, 10:47 PM
I am only on the Holly trail because it is Christmas you see?
Its that time of year and brings with it holly in so many ways of holly.
Melahin
28-12-2015, 10:53 PM
@Holly have you read His Dark Materials trilogy? It talks about all these Earth worlds lying up against each other, or as you say happening at once. The images I have seen where I ascend I go to unite with a part of me that lives in what I call a heart world. I love the main world in the books where the soul is a familiar called a daemon, rather than something within them. Hahaha that other part laughs when I suggest that I am uniting with my daemon :tongue:
But yeah, becoming heart centered is nice. I know it as giving birth to my true nature. Yet I have found that I have a lot of anger that needed to be let loose... for joy to flow more freely :smile:
wolfgaze
28-12-2015, 11:03 PM
The vast majority of it appears to be tripe...
Holly
28-12-2015, 11:24 PM
@naturesflow LOL. Deck the halls with boughs of...well...ME :) But don't you touch my berries! :O
@ melahin - No, I haven't, though I saw the first film. It was a nice idea, and the bit where they separated the kid from his daemon was horrible. Gave me shivers.
I actually think a lot of fantasy authors might be unconscious channels ;)
@ Wolfgaze...what's tripe?
wolfgaze
28-12-2015, 11:26 PM
@ Wolfgaze...what's tripe?
A synonym for 'nonsense' and/or 'rubbish'...
Holly
28-12-2015, 11:31 PM
A synonym for 'nonsense' and/or 'rubbish'...
I know that bit LOL. (Also something dogs love and some strange people actually EAT. Gross.) I wondered what you thought was rubbish. You didn't specify.
wolfgaze
29-12-2015, 12:01 AM
I wondered what you thought was rubbish. You didn't specify.
Oh, lol... All the channeled messages making predictions about some future 'event' (which are never validated). The messages claiming to be from some more advanced/evolved species that is apparently going to intervene to 'save' us humans from ourselves at some unspecified point in time. Also, and this is just my personal opinion of course', those messages that use language like "Dearly beloveds" which to me carries with it a subtle sense of condescension as it always comes across as the author of the message is speaking down to the recipients - and the persistent use of this type of overly-flattering and 'feel good' language has a aura of fakeness to it and I suspect it's designed to be emotionally appealing to the reader (not in a healthy way). I suspect that the alleged 'channelers' have picked up on this type of verbiage from reading other channeled messages and it consciously or subconsciously influences the so called 'information' or 'messages' that they pick up. And of course I wouldn't be surprised if a good amount of these messages circulating online are just completely made up and intentional fabrications from someone who is seeking attention/notoriety in the form of individuals reading their messages and coming back for more.
I was really never drawn to channeled material - my attention/focus was drawn to other areas of interest (NDE's, reincarnation/past lives, psychology of mind, etc)... However I used to frequent a forum that had a huge userbase and featured topics/discussions on a wide range of subject matters - and every now and then users would post threads about channeled messages. I would click on them out of curiosity to observe what kind of messages people were spreading to others. What I consistently found was that there was no substance to these messages - no wisdom being shared...
Several years ago I did check out some of that 'Seth material' briefly after hearing quite a few individuals making references to it. I could see how some of that type of information might be useful/practical - if it encourages the reader to engage in contemplation and perhaps introduces the reader to new ideas/conceptualizations that were not previously on their radar or considered. This could have the effect of encouraging awareness expansion and that's of course quite important.
But the vast majority of the channeled material I have ever come across is either blatant nonsense (no substance), some patronizing/condescending rhetoric claiming to be from extra-terrestrials that are supposed to be our saviors, overly-flattering fluff, or some mish-mash of vague predictions that cannot possibly be verified and are never validated.
IMHO if channeled material was to be beneficial to the reader - the content would need to center around and focus upon subject matters such as the nature of consciousness, the nature of the physical/egoic mind and how it affects consciousness, the importance of quieting one's mind and allowing for emotional releases, and/or promoting the importance of embracing and practicing the various virtues (selflessness, forgiveness, empathy, kindness, acceptance, etc).... This would qualify as real substance (as far as I'm concerned)...
But all this stuff about future predictions and extra-terrestrials - none of this helps promote and facilitate the process of conscious growth and refinement. I perceive it to be a distraction and that it could serve as a diversion for an earnest 'seeker'...
froebellian
29-12-2015, 12:02 AM
First of all thank you Holly for saying what many think already. I don't find channeled messages 'useful' as many of them are generic and full of flowery language. Channeled messages are usually for the person, and while I respect others that say they have channeled messages for the world, I have never come across one where I was able to get past the first few sentences of 'love and light'.
Channeled information is different, because you take that knowledge and use it. Either you consider it, or you take the advice because it resonates with your progression.
I do find those (my opinion) who constantly post on blogs and sites channeled messages, tend to do it from ego. I channel, but maybe my Guides are more direct and don't beat about the bush for a page before they get to the point? I share the issues raised in my blog, but only after I consider what resonates and makes logical sense to me.
Serrao
29-12-2015, 01:27 AM
Channeling?
I guess "there's something for everybody".
vespa68
29-12-2015, 11:41 AM
@naturesflow. You seem to misunderstand what I am trying to say and quite frankly I dont appreciate your tone.
naturesflow
29-12-2015, 11:54 AM
@naturesflow. You seem to misunderstand what I am trying to say and quite frankly I dont appreciate your tone.
I understand you quite clearly.
Its just that you obviously not wanting me to take you away from the view your holding onto.
Perhaps its not my tone you don't like, but the way in which I posed a few challenging questions your way,
Don't let good golly gosh make you think I am being rude.
That is just pure feeling, my own that I don't blame you for.
naturesflow
29-12-2015, 11:59 AM
[Holly]@naturesflow LOL. Deck the halls with boughs of...well...ME :) But don't you touch my berries! :O
Now that made me laugh out loud..:D
Holly
29-12-2015, 06:23 PM
The world you see is the world in you.
Yes, I know. Conversely it's also the world outside, but from my perspective ;) Creation is full of those interesting little paradoxes.
They confuse the brain but the heart seems better at understanding them.
Hello
There are times when we have to come to the place of just go along to get along and understand that what rings to one person will not maybe ring to another person and leave it at that.
If one could walk a day in the shoes of someone that is daily bombarded with messages one might better understand that we "do not choose" what we come in with in life most times. We seem to be choosen for a life path that is very different from what might be called the norm if there is such a thing as normal. We are the one's where messages flow into and we then choose the course or path to take with them. For some it is authorship and sharing (and for some readers that reads as fantasy) others like me try and find where the information might serve the highest good. Some honestly I would never share as I feel it leads to no where positive in the path of moving forwards, as I would not be able to change the event coming to pass. More I feel its being prepared for what is the come at times so that I am ready for those the need me living and dead.
As a Medium I get many dead come to me just becasue I can see or sense them there is no one I can find to pass on a message so its just a passing hello like on the street to a stranger. How it is with channeled messages at times too its a message passed along becasue maybe your the on in the path that can hear it and take it on, but that is that it goes no place.
As for accention I feel that we do come in with a Soul that has with it a Soul Contract that it is here to work on but maybe not complete as we as the being that hosts the Soul has a Spirit that holds free will on our path. We get guidance but we do not maybe have to listen to that guidance, how many times do we go "OMG" if I had listened to my intuition I would not be in this mess, but we did not listen so we have to look for growth in other paths. We might well head to higher beings, or levels our Soul might well head to Enlightenment but then what ???? Is that the end run ? Boaring I feel if its.
I do wonder if we get messages from Higher Beings that maybe we should not maybe get, it could well be a test to see where we take it and what we can do with it. Many times books are written that get vast exposures but they run their time and that is that.
Life is just a fantasy maybe we are not even here......what I do know though is that we can get along in that place of peace, I do see that in time for the Earth.....maybe just not in our lifetime.
Lynn
naturesflow
29-12-2015, 09:47 PM
Yes, I know. Conversely it's also the world outside, but from my perspective ;) Creation is full of those interesting little paradoxes.
They confuse the brain but the heart seems better at understanding them.
It is a world of itself made up of much, your perspective can be inclusive of the world as it is, so your perception and listening then becomes aware and a part of the world.
IF your open fully to your whole self the heart is not working alone in understanding. It is inclusive of all of you, so then your listening fully through your whole self and understanding a greater picture of awareness in a more complete picture of both the paradoxes and others.
naturesflow
29-12-2015, 09:56 PM
Hello
There are times when we have to come to the place of just go along to get along and understand that what rings to one person will not maybe ring to another person and leave it at that.
If one could walk a day in the shoes of someone that is daily bombarded with messages one might better understand that we "do not choose" what we come in with in life most times. We seem to be choosen for a life path that is very different from what might be called the norm if there is such a thing as normal. We are the one's where messages flow into and we then choose the course or path to take with them. For some it is authorship and sharing (and for some readers that reads as fantasy) others like me try and find where the information might serve the highest good. Some honestly I would never share as I feel it leads to no where positive in the path of moving forwards, as I would not be able to change the event coming to pass. More I feel its being prepared for what is the come at times so that I am ready for those the need me living and dead.
As a Medium I get many dead come to me just becasue I can see or sense them there is no one I can find to pass on a message so its just a passing hello like on the street to a stranger. How it is with channeled messages at times too its a message passed along becasue maybe your the on in the path that can hear it and take it on, but that is that it goes no place.
As for accention I feel that we do come in with a Soul that has with it a Soul Contract that it is here to work on but maybe not complete as we as the being that hosts the Soul has a Spirit that holds free will on our path. We get guidance but we do not maybe have to listen to that guidance, how many times do we go "OMG" if I had listened to my intuition I would not be in this mess, but we did not listen so we have to look for growth in other paths. We might well head to higher beings, or levels our Soul might well head to Enlightenment but then what ???? Is that the end run ? Boaring I feel if its.
I do wonder if we get messages from Higher Beings that maybe we should not maybe get, it could well be a test to see where we take it and what we can do with it. Many times books are written that get vast exposures but they run their time and that is that.
Life is just a fantasy maybe we are not even here......what I do know though is that we can get along in that place of peace, I do see that in time for the Earth.....maybe just not in our lifetime.
Lynn
I understand this is your story and your path for now. I just wanted to add further my own thoughts.
We choose both the path and the focus imo. but that is just my opinion. LIfe flows in for us to choose. All life. Changing the channel even as it might flow in freely, speaks to me that the shift and switch is in self to make that choice if we want to switch. Or it may happen spontaneously where it shifts itself through other process.
But most have their mind made up most often that this is how it is. To me that signals a visionary who cannot see past the vision of this moment.
Where you choose to work/be of service and stay is your choice. That can change at any time.
Life is moving constantly, there are many choices within that one choice and focus in potential of you and your life and all life flowing in. If one allows it to flow in of course.
Being Bombarded with messages will come to you while you on some level allow this. You are choosing to focus on this.
Potential of change and life moving forward can shift at any time this view and choice.
We co create this life. Yes we are chosen by creation to land where we do, but we are by no means limited to that creation. It is the beginning of a co creative life that moves itself too one with all creation.
Melahin
29-12-2015, 11:16 PM
I actually think a lot of fantasy authors might be unconscious channels ;)
I like that Jefferson quote from Once Upon A Time where he says imagination has to come from somewhere.
The books are far better than the movie (no surprise there)... but yes that scene was you know. Though I have wondered what would happen if you removed someones soul :icon_eek: since I have none I find them odd :tongue:
vespa68
30-12-2015, 08:41 AM
No, Your questions don't challenge me. I dont understand them and what they had to do with what I wrote about. People write threads on this forum for different viewpoints. That is what this forum is all about sharing view points. Different views should be respected. Something about what I wrote seemed to'provoke something in you. I am going to stop at this.
I understand you quite clearly.
Its just that you obviously not wanting me to take you away from the view your holding onto.
Perhaps its not my tone you don't like, but the way in which I posed a few challenging questions your way,
Don't let good golly gosh make you think I am being rude.
That is just pure feeling, my own that I don't blame you for.
naturesflow
30-12-2015, 09:17 AM
No, Your questions don't challenge me. I dont understand them and what they had to do with what I wrote about. People write threads on this forum for different viewpoints. That is what this forum is all about sharing view points. Different views should be respected. Something about what I wrote seemed to'provoke something in you. I am going to stop at this.
Not at all. I didn't feel provoked at all. (sometimes it pays to ask another how they might be feeling before you assume things) I am not sure why your keep addressing how your feeling as about me.
I saw no disrespect on either side. So perhaps I have activated you, not you me. I feel fine and felt quite calm and interested to flow along with you both now and earlier in the posting.
It seems you picked up on something and felt something and turned it back on me. I am letting you know I didn't feel provoked at all. Just so you are informed, rather than assume things about my sharing.
Glad you stopped for yourself. I don't mind.
vespa68
30-12-2015, 04:46 PM
Not at all. I didn't feel provoked at all. (sometimes it pays to ask another how they might be feeling before you assume things) I am not sure why your keep addressing how your feeling as about me.
I saw no disrespect on either side. So perhaps I have activated you, not you me. I feel fine and felt quite calm and interested to flow along with you both now and earlier in the posting.
It seems you picked up on something and felt something and turned it back on me. I am letting you know I didn't feel provoked at all. Just so you are informed, rather than assume things about my sharing.
Glad you stopped for yourself. I don't mind.
Obvious manipulation of the facts! Re-read your replies!
Holly
30-12-2015, 04:53 PM
IMHO if channeled material was to be beneficial to the reader - the content would need to center around and focus upon subject matters such as the nature of consciousness, the nature of the physical/egoic mind and how it affects consciousness, the importance of quieting one's mind and allowing for emotional releases, and/or promoting the importance of embracing and practicing the various virtues...
....I perceive it to be a distraction and that it could serve as a diversion for an earnest 'seeker'...
My thoughts exactly. My guide has always channelled with me since we first met. His lessons are exactly what you describe, mostly focused on releasing and healing fear and trauma. He teaches rather than preaches.
If Azrael hadn't come along, I'm certain I'd still be stuck in the mud very far down the vibrational scale. Without his help I'd never have let go of so much fear. I'd never have found faith on my own, in myself or anything else. So from my POV, people who need spiritual help to grow, or to ascend, receive it directly and personally from the divine.
Naturally that sometimes comes in the form of a channelled message, for some people, but for others...not so much so. The mind can get in the way of the intuition that guides us to the right practises, I find. :(
Beliefs and thoughts can become a diversion, as you said. That's what happened to me many, many times over. If I'd just had the sense to ignore them and continue my development with Azrael undistracted, I'd have halved my suffering! But hey, c'est la vie.
It's done now, but I so wonder how many other people might be out there, feeling a quiet instinct to study with a guide undisturbed, as I did, but fighting the mental urge to read around when really, they don't need to, and guidance comes through clearer when you have fewwer thoughts and belifs in your head, I've found.
Holly
30-12-2015, 04:59 PM
I like that Jefferson quote from Once Upon A Time where he says imagination has to come from somewhere.
The books are far better than the movie (no surprise there)... but yes that scene was you know. Though I have wondered what would happen if you removed someones soul :icon_eek: since I have none I find them odd :tongue:
Yeah I wonder that too. Though I wouldn't want to see it attempted! You have no soul?? Curious! How do you know?
TBH I don't even know what a soul is. I know what people say about them but what I've felt in me is different. I have no idea I have one or not, though I actually often wonder if I've been thinking about it the wrong way all my life and my body is in fact my soul...along with some energies attached that I can't physically see?
I don't know :)
naturesflow
30-12-2015, 09:45 PM
Obvious manipulation of the facts! Re-read your replies!
I would self reflect on your feelings way back when..
It might help you to really let go this time, when you said you were ending it.
Just listen to yourself!!:wink:
Don't forget you originally picked up on a tone, I think that was what you said. And you did say you didn't appreciate it. From there on in things suddenly spiralled into your hands.
But my hands are typing ok, I feel good.
Holly
30-12-2015, 10:12 PM
I would self reflect on your feelings way back when..
It might help you to really let go this time, when you said you were ending it.
Just listen to yourself!!:wink:
Don't forget you originally picked up on a tone, I think that was what you said. And you did say you didn't appreciate it. From there on in things suddenly spiralled into your hands.
But my hands are typing ok, I feel good.
naturesflow, you sound like you're goading her. I don't know why. As far as I can see, vespa hasn't said or done ANYTHING wrong.
Your posts did come across as a bit patronising. I mean...many of us know we tell ourselves stories and live a mental life (and live life through our perceptions!) but that isn't the WHOLE of the story. I think your viewpoint might be a bit unbalanced - we also all have a heart, soul, body life too and not everyone you see is totally lost in mental stories.
Just my opinion. ( I hope I haven't misundertsood your posts...I'm sorry but I found them quite hard to understand :( )
naturesflow
30-12-2015, 10:25 PM
naturesflow, you sound like you're goading her. I don't know why. As far as I can see, vespa hasn't said or done ANYTHING wrong.
Your posts did come across as a bit patronising. I mean...many of us know we tell ourselves stories and live a mental life (and live life through our perceptions!) but that isn't the WHOLE of the story. I think your viewpoint might be a bit unbalanced - we also all have a heart, soul, body life too and not everyone you see is totally lost in mental stories.
Just my opinion. ( I hope I haven't misundertsood your posts...I'm sorry but I found them quite hard to understand :( )
In your open sharing thankyou for being so honest. Even as you directed me in a more whole view you see, I am willing to participate and respond with you to answer you.
I don't see that Vespa has done anything wrong. So firstly I am not sure why you came into this with this being an issue? Is this your feeling and seeing?
Because often what transpires as I was trying to share with Vespa, is that when we suddenly open a feeling and tell ourselves a story around it, it can shift the focus and lend itself to making more stories appear in what I was simply flowing with.
I flow with it all. I listen and just go with it. I wasn't thinking that Vespa had a problem. But Vespa interceded that she was feeling Something in my tone and then of course we shifted course.
Of course I flowed on with that.
It wasn't myself that said I needed to let go, it was Vespa. I can honour what she needs. Then of course she came back, so I flowed with that.
I was fine with that.
What is this goading you see?
naturesflow
30-12-2015, 10:36 PM
I would just add don't confuse flowing with, as goading.
When we interpret flow of the whole movement as one and we let our minds tell stories about what is there present and flowing, then we end up interpreting what just is.
What just is, doesn't have attachments to itself, unless it tells itself what it all means.
That was for you Holly.
Holly
30-12-2015, 10:44 PM
Ur welcome naturesway.
*shrugs*
If I post a long line of quotes people will get sick of reading the thread LOL. That wouldn't be fair to them.
It was just my perception but language can be hard to interpret properly with no body language signals. Perhaps you're only posting your thoughts with no subtext whatsoever. Fair enough.
Ultimately, it won't matter in the end, because we're all be dead and eternal or ascended and eternal...C'est la vie! Best wishes :smile:
naturesflow
30-12-2015, 11:11 PM
Ur welcome naturesway.
*shrugs*
If I post a long line of quotes people will get sick of reading the thread LOL. That wouldn't be fair to them.
It was just my perception but language can be hard to interpret properly with no body language signals. Perhaps you're only posting your thoughts with no subtext whatsoever. Fair enough.
Ultimately, it won't matter in the end, because we're all be dead and eternal or ascended and eternal...C'est la vie! Best wishes :smile:
lol.
that made me giggle, the part about death, ascending and eternal..Dont ask me why. lol. (no reason, I just laughed)
I post and flow along, my mind isn't made up, its open, once it was made up by the world around me. Now I am myself flowing openly as I want. This thread is about not needing channelled messages.
The reason being we are it.
All of it.
So as you are and as vespa is and as I am, makes no difference to how I feel and how I am.
I am responsible for all that in myself.
Everything is within.
SO how we flow and be in the state of connecting, open to all in us is really up to us.
The more you let go of your own mind and attachments, more can flow freely in you and with you.
Melahin
31-12-2015, 01:32 AM
You have no soul?? Curious! How do you know?
It is just what makes best sense when I gaze through the void. What makes best sense is that I have a true nature that leads me to my true being. Follow the heart I am told, then nothing else will truly matter... like what are all these weird concepts other than ways to perceive yoursel in the pursuit of feeling whole within a broken world. Like channeling is as valid as ascension in that pursuid as long as it holds truth to where you are on your path... which was exactly what you said, right? :smile:
I do agree that neither do I know. Like over the last days I find I no longer believe in truth or source. And I haven't believed in god, ascension and such in like forever. Maybe I just don't believe in the soul?
Do you believe that someones belief can be so transcending that it liberates others?
Jyotir
31-12-2015, 04:37 AM
Hi Holly,
If it's helpful - what's the harm?
If it's harmful, what's the help?
Seems like a drama of personal freedom and necessity to be determined by both the giver and receiver.
~ J
Shinsoo
01-01-2016, 12:18 AM
I can tell you that a lot of those messages are **. Not everyone needs to know about ascension, only the ones who are actually going to ascend. They know who they are and they would not broadcast any information to other people. Only a few can ascend, extremely advanced souls who have worked hard on knowing their true selves.
Going off on a tangent here--but Ascension is for anyone whose soul is ready for it. I'm about as unaware, uncompassionate, and can be as ego-driven as they come.
And yet--I am definitely on a path to Ascension--to go from 3Dimensional to 6Dimensional awareness in this lifetime. It's been made very clear to me.
And as for channeled messages, I find ones personalized to me from my guides to be very helpful. I'm as thick as a brick and do not always understand why things on my path are the way they are.
Greenslade
01-01-2016, 12:17 PM
I know it's just my opinion :) That's why I said 'I think' and 'I feel' so much. It's just a personal moment of realisation, it's not intended to be a generalisation at all ;) I don't feel anybody else should follow the same path I do, just in case I gave that impression. And naturally I know the messages are here for everybody. I'd be a very self centered person if I didn't!There's nothing wrong in owning the Journey or your experiences, perhaps that's the whole point of being perceptibly individual.
I was just saying how I've begun to feel about some messages regarding the future, that's all. Really all that adds up to is I feel I'm being given my own guidance now. That should be comforting, it means that people are able to guide themselves to a minor or major extent, without outside help. I think that's quite empowering ;)For me and from a wider perspective there's more to this process than meets the eye. There are those that are disempowered but that empowers others to empower them, there's something of an energy-go-around happening in the interaction. This is where the channelled messages come into play because they are what 'powers' that process. Now that you feel more empowered collectively the Universe is a little brighter for everyone, there you have a 'double dose' of empowerment - and you're 'infectious', which is scary :-)
lemex
02-01-2016, 06:04 PM
I think we may need to get to where we should not need channel messages. As a person who does not channel and seeks I appreciate such thoughts. In this respect you feed the mind of others who have questions.
Also about repeating messages. It may be also like the process of physical listening and thought. Often we hear what we want to hear and don't hear the full thought asked so the thought is not complete and closed. We reject certain words said. I know there are many ways to say the same thing which I try often to show something I feel I've observed and experienced. With so many different perspectives out here some words would be accepted and some rejected but to me, they're really all the same.
Or is channeling something completely different. Isn't the message really consistent.
vespa68
02-01-2016, 06:54 PM
Going off on a tangent here--but Ascension is for anyone whose soul is ready for it. I'm about as unaware, uncompassionate, and can be as ego-driven as they come.
And yet--I am definitely on a path to Ascension--to go from 3Dimensional to 6Dimensional awareness in this lifetime. It's been made very clear to me.
And as for channeled messages, I find ones personalized to me from my guides to be very helpful. I'm as thick as a brick and do not always understand why things on my path are the way they are.
Absolutely agree if the soul is ready for it and if you can face yourself completely and accept yourself then why not. Its a hell lot of work and not everyone can ever face themselves COMPLETELY, we have layers and layers of programming and karma from past lives to weed through.
MIND POWER
02-01-2016, 08:22 PM
(Channeled accession messages are in part, the human obsession with authority! which can sometimes be detrimental to overall spiritual development in my opinion......)
Inner guidance is something that has to be developed over time! Through thinking for yourself, and understanding your own emotions! Which ultimately will help you come to the moral conclusion, of maybe what you really want to do with your life or! Helping you understand what the difference is between right and wrong! Good and evil! etc
And for me ultimately, that’s what true spirituality is. Its trying to help us remember what true human nature is, and identifies your true purpose in life.
New Age: Authority figures, God’s, Demons, Angels, extraterrestrials
And we are now in the same situation once again in spirituality, Guru’s! God’s, Demons, Angels, extraterrestrial these are all essentially if you really analyse them..? They are all authority figures. Some of the things that people channel and some of things these entities whatever say may be morally right! They may be really helpful for mankind. But we truly understand why innately..? I believe when you truly understand the difference between right and wrong! Or good and evil it is not an intellectual process! If your beliefs are all intellectual then..? They can quite easily be twisted and moulded differently throughout time, by authority figures! And yet again if we take a trip back in history how many times has this happen! How many times has the bible been edited, one minute women are suppressed the next minute they are not! One minute slavery is rampant! The next minute it is not! This can only happen if you don’t truly have any inner guidance and innate moral beliefs of your own.
A empty soul, a dark soul, or maybe just a lemming.
(I just wonder how many people would change their tune’s, If some so called GOD appeared before them and told them to kill, murder or discriminate! check your history again ladies and gentlemen! i have just described how most of the ruthless and immoral dictators where inspired! Adolf Hitler himself apparently channeled and listened to dark forces! so somebody elses authority influenced him )…
Holly
02-01-2016, 08:45 PM
(Channeled accession messages are in part, the human obsession with authority! which can sometimes be detrimental to overall spiritual development in my opinion......)
New Age: Authority figures, God’s, Demons, Angels, extraterrestrials ...Guru’s! God’s, Demons, Angels, extraterrestrial these are all essentially if you really analyse them..? They are all authority figures...Adolf Hitler himself apparently channeled and listened to dark forces! so somebody elses authority influenced him )…
You do raise a good point Mind Power, that people CAN use light beings and aliens as authority figures (which usually isn't very healthy, IMO), but that's about people and their willingness to hand over their power. I don't think people should be discouraged from channelling their own guidance, just for the record. I don't see my guides as authority figures...(some ppl have a more balanced view of guides..and that happens when you know yourself.) Mine have gone out of their way to make sure I don't! They don't want to be seen that way, but naturally some people will apply that role to them anyway.
I'm pretty sure that Hitler did all his 'evil' by himself. The idea he channelled dark forces is probably just an old wives tale that comes down to most ppl not wanting to believe a human being can go so bad, but sadly...some people do go bad. There are no evil or dark forces required for that.
Most dictators are just drunk on power. If they were psychic enough to hear dark forces they'd hear light ones too, and probably change their tunes.
I agree with you re; spirituality! It is about knowing yourself thoroughly, and thinking for yourself :)
MIND POWER
02-01-2016, 09:51 PM
You do raise a good point Mind Power, that people CAN use light beings and aliens as authority figures (which usually isn't very healthy, IMO), but that's about people and their willingness to hand over their power. I don't think people should be discouraged from channelling their own guidance, just for the record. I don't see my guides as authority figures...(some ppl have a more balanced view of guides..and that happens when you know yourself.) Mine have gone out of their way to make sure I don't! They don't want to be seen that way, but naturally some people will apply that role to them anyway.
I'm pretty sure that Hitler did all his 'evil' by himself. The idea he channelled dark forces is probably just an old wives tale that comes down to most ppl not wanting to believe a human being can go so bad, but sadly...some people do go bad. There are no evil or dark forces required for that.
Most dictators are just drunk on power. If they were psychic enough to hear dark forces they'd hear light ones too, and probably change their tunes.
I agree with you re; spirituality! It is about knowing yourself thoroughly, and thinking for yourself :)
The Nazi’s/Hitler had psychics working with them, that is why they where obsessed with symbolism. Even most of his most cherish ideologies where apparently channeled and influenced through them! But yes they willing do it in part, on their own because maybe they where dark souls! You know wannabe bad boys……….hahahaha!
And it’s because for some reason humans like taking orders from authority in part that wars and things of this short nature can happen! No matter how immorally they are.
The inner moral guidance that should be their gets ignored, or is underdeveloped so people just go along with it (Because they are empty people, the walking Zombies Holly! people that just get used as tools.) Just imagine how different the world would be if everybody had this developed moral inner guidance! True human nature which we have forgotten!..
We are like puppets on a string down here, just dancing away….
I also don’t think people should be discouraged totally from channeling because, there may be morals that we can learn from it! But people maybe just have to be careful not to get TOO attach, or not to HANG on every word said. Because they you are not TRAINING this spiritual inner guidance, and you are not truly forming an innate belief just carrying out orders! Or not filtering anything! This is why people change their tunes so much!
Sometimes I guess it’s like Star wars attack of the clones, where dark forces play both sides! That’s what I would do if it was my job, and I wanted to a real good job upon mankind….
But you can’t mess with a Cat who won’t listen to authority! yep i think the cats are coming! Tell somebody!
True Human Nature is making a comeback!
Holly
02-01-2016, 10:33 PM
The Nazi’s/Hitler had psychics working with them, that is why they where obsessed with symbolism. Even most of his most cherish ideologies where apparently channeled and influenced through them!...But people maybe just have to be careful not to get TOO attach, or not to HANG on every word said. Because they you are not TRAINING this spiritual inner guidance, and you are not truly forming an innate belief just carrying out orders! Or not filtering anything! This is why people change their tunes so much!
Actually, thinking about it Mind Power, I do now remember reading many years ago about the Nazi's and psychics. Apparently they employed psychics, telepaths and ppl who could remote view in particular. I seem to remember their psychic experiments were inconclusive, tho. Sadly, I can't remember the source of that info now. I also read a while back that the modern military, US in particular, use psychics too, as well as telepaths for communicating with visiting alien races. That said, the Nazi's also had some total madmen. Literally. One of Hitler's officers was actually a diagnosed schizophrenic who hid his condition, and claimed to be able to communicate with demons! Hitler apparently listened to him, and used a lot of the material he 'channelled' which I believe included some symbolism. Strange you should mention it, there may be truth to that! (Maybe he could talk to demons! Some ppl say schizophrenia is actually a psychic dysfunction!)
I don't doubt they tried to use dark forces to their advantage. It still takes human compliance to do 'evil' on Earth, which rests the responsibility purely on human shoulders, but I admit I do secretly feel certain that some people can be open to 'mental interference' from less refined energies. The challenge for them is learning to discern, which is a lesson.
I mean, the Nazi's LOST...how powerful can their psychic entities BE if they lost, LOL? (Though I did wonder, after reading those reports, if an entity inspiring 'evil' was really after winning...or if it just wanted human compliance. In which case, its overall goal was absolutely achieved!)
Strangely I had an experience of this myself recently. I channelled Satan, (more fool me lol.) I was actually gobsmacked at how 'powerful' he feels. It's not so bad for me. I've had a lot of practise, I have an angel standing by, and I know how to discern but I can absolutely imagine that if this entity (I'm not sure what he is but he seesm to be made of many peoples 'energies') reached a person who perhaps didn't know they were psychic...he could inspire a lot of fear and wreak havoc on the mental plain by feeding thoughts and feelings into them that could make them feel inspired to do very bad things, or perhaps just frighten them so badly that bad things come naturally.
Until recently, I admit I didn't believe in dark entities. I do now, having seen some. I still don't really think they have 'control' inasmuch as...as I said...it takes human compliance and we can always ask for help, we can refuse if our willpower is strong enough...but I think they CAN have huge influence.
I do want to emphasise to anyone reading tho that what I saw of Satan was not a religious figure - he was just a collection of entities and thoughtforms banded together that can telepathically share his very low vibrational energies with a psychic IF THEY ALLOW IT.
I think that's the crux. Allowing it.
As for Hitler, I wonder if entities had anything to do with it...or if he just wanted people do believe they did. Or if modern day Nazi's would like us to believe they did. Just some thoughts :smile:
Demetriuss
05-01-2016, 09:56 PM
I recently found a few channelled messages about ascension and the future of mankind. For the first time, I wasn't keen.
I don't feel I need to know all these things! I've grown my own guidance system, a GPS of the soul. I have my own direct, conscious link to God that tells me everything I need to know, at exactly the right time for me, about spirit, life, body and path. I don't need an angel to tell me the future, or to reveal things out of sight, or to fill my head with information that ultimately gets me nowhere because...it's just more encouragement to think.
That's the downside of channelled messages. I don't find a lot of real spiritual development happens while you're thinking. I've found that development happens when you STOP thinking...so channelled messages about the future feel like more of a mild nuisance than a help. I feel trusting and relinquishing control and information might be more important than knowing what will happen in the future.
It's just words. One opinion, one stream of thoughts. Whether info is accurate or not, thinking about it is only going to do one thing – it will move your mind about, cause you to let go of beliefs or form new ones. But it won't achieve liberation.
Inner guidance should always trump any outside help anyway. I know messages can be comforting, and I get that some people want outside guidance. Fair enough, I used plenty of it myself in the past.
It's just that I've come to a point I don't want it myself any more. It's like applying medicine to a body that doesn't need any help healing itself. Unnecessary, pointless, and it fails to honour my natural ability to do this unassisted. I was MADE to do this. Why would I need that kind of help? At most...I just need comfort at times when my mind causes me suffering.
I think, in a way channelled messages are a deception. The angels know these ascension promises messages don't provide liberation and can't. They recognise that while people are still thinking they aren't enlightened, but they send the messages anyway for the good they do. It's just perhaps not the good some people seek from them. The messages are just to change people's minds enough so that they can create their OWN advancement.
An important distinction, I feel.
Sounds to me like you just have a link to your higher self, and that it's doing everything you seem to think we don't need, which is just a weird contradiction in and of itself. And some people do need the messages for their own advancement more than others, but who am I to tell multidimensional beings and my own multidimensional self that the information isn't "needed" it sounds more like you just don't want it.
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