View Full Version : Is being a hypcrite a big deal in spirituality ?
DoctorStrange
23-12-2015, 07:45 AM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience.
wstein
23-12-2015, 08:12 AM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience. The 'problem' is that others attempt to experience us in ways we did NOT choose all the while claiming they aren't doing any such thing. This behavior is in no way confined to 'spirituality'. From a spiritual angle not 'wrong' but still annoying.
The 'big deal' is that it reminds us that we are still here. This indicates that we are not so spiritually advanced as we would like.
Shivani Devi
23-12-2015, 08:28 AM
It depends on whether you believe you are being a hypocrite or others believe you are.
If you believe you are being hypocritical and have a problem with that, you can fix it by taking it more seriously and being more respectful.
If you believe you are being hypocritical and don't have a problem with that, continue being hypocritical.
If others have a problem with it, unless they are of key influence in your life and you depend on them for anything, that's their problem, not yours so just forget it.
wolfgaze
23-12-2015, 08:35 AM
Well I don't exactly know what a 'big deal' qualifies as from your perspective... However if one is routinely playing the role of a hypocrite - that means in some respects one's outward expression is not in alignment with one's actual inward nature/disposition. So this creates an inner conflict of sorts - and I think until this is reconciled, it will hinder and serve as an impediment to personal growth (refinement). If a person does not exhibit any desire to change and consciously evolve (progress) - then I guess this doesn't pose a problem for him/her.
I perceive it as a self-limiting behavior... Authencity/Genuineness is a virtue to be embraced/welcomed...
SpiritCarrier
23-12-2015, 09:35 AM
The very definition of the word answers your question:
hyp·o·crite
ˈhipəˌkrit/
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint; informalphony, fraud, sham, fake
"I've been made to feel inadequate my whole life by someone who turns out to be a total hypocrite"
Google dictionary
The word spiritual means:
"That which is spiritual is sacred and the concept of sacred is interchangeable with the concept of "holy"-a word derived from an Old English word meaning, "whole" and perfect in goodness. A religious person may be spiritual, but a spiritual person is not necessarily religious.
Spirituality refers to the evolutionary process as it drives us forward, eventually, to perfect wholeness. It relates to the expansion or evolution of consciousness. And, thus all activity-be it physical, emotional, intuitional and so forth-that leads towards greater perfection, goodness and wholeness is therefore spiritual."
From: http://www.aquaac.org/un/sprtmean.html
With this in mind to be a hypocrite would be to hinder personal spirituality. To be deceitful is directly in opposition to working toward perfect wholeness/greater perfection. How can one who is untrue to their own values be growing towards perfection? He cannot. Also why would a spiritual person want to be hypocritical? Again, it is the very opposite of what he is striving for. Being able to accept ourselves for who and what we are and then grow from there is truly spiritual.
This is of course my personal opinion.
Moonglow
23-12-2015, 03:09 PM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience.
Hello,
Yes, what is presented maybe so, but if someone does it with the intent to deceive another then this, to me, may create whole other issue(s).
Although someone may not have a problem being a hypocrite, what the person may "preach" or "teach" others may mislead others to follow that person or pay for services he/she was mislead into feeling will benefit them.
Profiting off of others insecurities and/or fears, to me, is unethical. So, would suppose it depends on the intent behind the need to deceive.
If someone is insecure about him/her self and maybe feels a need to put on a front to feel he/she belongs in some way, then perhaps it is something the person may feel is needed in order to grow and learn. May grow out of it.
I feel if one lives true to who they are or one lives in shadows of deceit and lies either way others will eventually see through these.
If you want others to accept you and trust you then it is best to be true to who you are, IMO.
It is all of this journey here and the choice may be how one wants to travel the paths given, IMO.
Gracey
23-12-2015, 03:36 PM
I know a man who speaks about situations he is a hypocrite on. I really respect and appreciate his honesty. Better an open hypocrite than a hidden liar. When he speaks on subjects he is a hypocrite on, I find him trying to give advice to people...giving himself as a bad example. To do as he says, not as he does cause his way ain't the best way. He is a strange bird, and again I respect his honesty with his ways. Not all hypocrites are like this man, most I have found try to lie and mislead you. So, that is why I can appreciate an open and honest hypocritical person.
knightofalbion
23-12-2015, 05:43 PM
If one wants to talk the talk, one must be prepared to walk the walk.
A big deal? Words are nothing without action to back them up ....
Mr Interesting
23-12-2015, 07:35 PM
I for one embrace my hypocrisies and I have quite a few of them. I think it's quite important to allow ourselves to be fallible in this way and that holding fast to idealism isn't as wonderful as people might hope it is.
Things change and we change too and admitting personal hypocrisies is, for me, a transitional tool which allows me to hold multiple lights to specific details and refrain from judgements which would have me shutting down a light which from the limited perspectives I have could be, in the long run, a stupidity of consequence I might suffer from whereas admitted hypocrisy allows me to hold onto ideas quite a bit longer and strain out what might still be useful within them.
Interestingly enough Hyper (from the Greek) means over and Hypo means under so essentially hypo- crises mean under the crises.
DoctorStrange
23-12-2015, 09:06 PM
I for one embrace my hypocrisies and I have quite a few of them. I think it's quite important to allow ourselves to be fallible in this way and that holding fast to idealism isn't as wonderful as people might hope it is.
Things change and we change too and admitting personal hypocrisies is, for me, a transitional tool which allows me to hold multiple lights to specific details and refrain from judgements which would have me shutting down a light which from the limited perspectives I have could be, in the long run, a stupidity of consequence I might suffer from whereas admitted hypocrisy allows me to hold onto ideas quite a bit longer and strain out what might still be useful within them.
Interestingly enough Hyper (from the Greek) means over and Hypo means under so essentially hypo- crises mean under the crises.
wow. thanks, very interesting thoughts! :smile:
Belle
23-12-2015, 09:22 PM
I tell lies. I do it purposefully to protect myself.
I try to be as authentic as I can but I struggle having been badly manipulated - by my mother. I see the situation as no win.
I do my best
DoctorStrange
23-12-2015, 09:24 PM
I tell lies. I do it purposefully to protect myself.
I try to be as authentic as I can but I struggle having been badly manipulated - by my mother. I see the situation as no win.
I do my best
I also tell lies to protect myself. Hugs for you. :hug: :hug3:
wstein
24-12-2015, 06:04 AM
I also tell lies to protect myself. Is this one of them?
DoctorStrange
24-12-2015, 06:32 AM
I also tell lies to protect myself. Hugs for you. :hug: :hug3:
no. it is not.
Belle
24-12-2015, 08:34 AM
Lying doesn't make you feel good. I think we hurt ourselves most of all when lying.
Thanks for the supporrt.
Greenslade
24-12-2015, 08:49 AM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience.Unto thine own Self be true, and perhaps all consciousness is consciousness just the same. What is the consciousness of being hypocritical within the Journey to Self?
Jyotir
24-12-2015, 12:47 PM
Unto thine own Self be true, and perhaps all consciousness is consciousness just the same. What is the consciousness of being hypocritical within the Journey to Self?
Self-deception.
CrystalSong
24-12-2015, 04:43 PM
In my quest for Truth, I try to spot hypocrisy and go deeper to find the Truth. Hypocrisy serves no purpose in what I'm seeking which is Authenticity and self honesty.
lemex
24-12-2015, 05:01 PM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience.
But this has to be true, it may not be. When you question what you did, are you saying this is known and there are those knowingly saying it isn't the case. What if this was not known also.
Mr Interesting
24-12-2015, 07:42 PM
Because hypocrisy is one of the few settings in which the difference between what is supposed and can lead to belief and what is actually real and therefore is a valuable tool if one is willing to let such severe dichotomies come into play with a side order of directly putting us into the role of watcher.
Even now I think of hypocrisy as directly linked to Hippocrates, which is in itself an interesting irony, but then realise he isn't the man I'm thinking of as it's Socrates I'm actually referring to but have forgotten the names but remembered the underlying ideas.
Is that itself hypocrisy? That I would be more interested in the themes than remembering the actual illustrators of the themes? That this unreponsiveness to what might be the initial requirements, to having a strident and represented understanding, of at least remembering names is in an of itself a hypocrisy?
And it seems, with this least amount of research done, that Socrates was the father of irony. "Questioning them, however, Socrates concluded: while each man thought he knew a great deal and was wise, in fact they knew very little and were not wise at all. Socrates realized the Oracle was correct; while so-called wise men thought themselves wise and yet were not, he himself knew he was not wise at all, which, paradoxically, made him the wiser one since he was the only person aware of his own ignorance."
I'm just thinking out loud here but doesn't the above illustrate that defining hypocrisy isn't an ending but a beginning; that within those supposed hypocrisies there's the challenge to see what ironies might be involved?
We look out into the world and we might define something as hypocrisy as what might be opposing elements seem to co-exist in the same space but why is it that we see that? Is it possibly that in ourselves we feel this same sense of disparity and what we are looking at is a manifestation of that which sits within us at the deeper level than we are currently cognisant of?
DoctorStrange
24-12-2015, 10:18 PM
Is this one of them?
no. it is not.
Greenslade
25-12-2015, 08:02 AM
Self-deception.All roads lead to Rome.
lemex
26-12-2015, 05:09 PM
I tell lies. I do it purposefully to protect myself.
I try to be as authentic as I can but I struggle having been badly manipulated - by my mother. I see the situation as no win.
I do my best
I know I've told lies to protect others to and also to protect myself. Yes, when pain is not part of the equation I to try being as authentic as I can. Just wanted to add it isn't always about the me but others because I think we understand the experience and so do project the feeling we know to how others will feel. The intent is suppose to be good. (Attachment, is the reason at all important.)
Silver
26-12-2015, 05:21 PM
Self-deception.
Hypocrisy isn't same as telling a white lie or an out-and-out big fib. I'm not sure how to explain it, except to use the cliche, "practice what you preach." I've been accused of being a hypocrite and I had no idea what the person was referring to and after discussion with a couple of other people, I figured that either I was being a hypocrite and was unaware, or I was being falsely accused.
The thing is, we may one day give advice that's sound, but we may have recently done or said something that others may notice is incongruent and that may be because we just learned from that mistake, or we've had the opportunity to see our own goof-ups. I hope this made sense.
Jyotir
05-01-2016, 03:54 AM
What is the consciousness of being hypocritical within the Journey to Self?
Self-deception.
All roads lead to Rome.
Of course, Greenslade.
How could it be otherwise?
Well…on further reflection, there may be other different perspectives, which ironically, you may be implicitly obliged to accept by virtue of your all-inclusive posture. How’s that for irony?
It’s been said that the whole of cosmic physical existence, because it’s an evolutionary scheme, is ‘THE PATH’ writ large, in the most general sense possible. This is obviously yours and many others’ position (mine too), that: “it’s all spiritual” in that sense - warts and all, the litany of horrors, confusions wrought of irreconcilable dualities; ignorance, consequent pain and suffering, cruelty, greed, worry, anxiety, death and destruction. In your preferred construct it’s all good… because its all spiritual. Even Hitler and pedophiles :smile: As well, defective and deceptive religious institutions. All praise to (insert exclusive preference)_!
All roads, all undeniable because they all exist - and because they do, they all lead to Rome - each and every last one of 'em.
Also, in a strange fractal microcosmic reduction - that scheme of all roads/all good/all spiritual can also be seen as just one of the many ‘all roads’ available - e.g., the cheerful acceptance and surrender to ‘whatever‘ (including the negatives) - because no matter what ‘whatever’ is, it is ‘spiritual‘ by that definition - actually, immediately, essentially, ultimately.... It’s a journey, man.
I get that. And I also subscribe to that view. 'What is' - is unavoidable as circumstance. But circumstance is consequent upon a conditional ignorance, and that’s where spirituality has utility. Indeed, that is its purpose, which requires effective utilisation in order to transcend the circumstance. Otherwise, ‘spirituality’ would be the same as ignorant suffering, and so what would be the point? (because) We’re already there*.
But it’s not Rome! (evidently)
* another one of the 'all roads'
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 03:55 AM
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In the context of discussion about spirituality then - that acceptance is a premise, precursor, a vehicle for further conscious transformation.
Therefore, it serves the down-to-earth practical understanding which is the substantial premise of discussion here - iow, SF isn’t just a place to boast about occult abilities and memorable fantastical experiences - to qualify why, and how that view may be different than other equally valid means - in order to benefit that practical understanding.
Because in the end (or especially the means without which the end is moot), that understanding helps the often perplexing process of seeing what appears to be especially at first, a confusing, inchoate, and chaotic miasma of definitions, theories, nascent and uncertain practices, cognitions and even indeterminate ‘goals’, through the haze of personal narrative, ‘hocus-pocus’, conditioning, preference, and ‘woo-woo’ esoterica, not to mention rational skepticism.
That is the actual substantial content of most discussion here: The increasingly progressive acquisition of conscious subjective awareness emerging in our own individual lives towards authentic gnosis, which is what spirituality is and does, through whatever means.
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 03:56 AM
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At one end of the spectrum of consciousness, which we are essentially in being - nothing is created or destroyed, nothing suffers, there is no death, suffering or ignorance or unknown - just an unknowable static Impersonal Absolute which supports and is an Infinite Eternal All-Being and All-Consciousness…and that, by definition is definitely ‘all spiritual’, is Rome, and because absolute, must include all roads leading to it.
However, in Life which is the ‘leading to’ aspect; in the relative ‘becoming’ aspect of that Self-same Absolute Being involved in ignorance - e.g., in the practical physical world evolving out of that ignorance, the repercussions are experienced as real reality: pain, suffering, confusion, disharmony, cruelty , etc., And specifically when after long struggles in darkness and despair of this terrestrial quandary - the self-conscious differentiated human life may one day awaken to the momentous possibility - at first a dream, an ideal, a vision - of a progressive transcendence of problematic ‘whatever‘.
That means the recognised possibility of Self-realisation and the actualisation of it through the conscious application of will in some form of direct, deliberate aspiration - spirituality ‘proper’, and importantly - practicable. But that’s only for some relatively very small number who are fortunate enough to have been awakened, and who want to proceed.
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 03:57 AM
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So in terms of going to ‘Rome’ as a spiritual metaphor, there is a somewhat Cartesian consideration regarding a conscious, deliberate spirituality: Is there a ‘road’ if there is no ‘traveler’ on it experiencing it as such? Said another way: That there is any road, is defined by the very fact of travelers who are ‘going somewhere‘, thereby forming that road as a construct.
It remains that not everyone is awakened, or even therefore on a “road” in that metaphorical sense. To further strain the metaphor, most are merely wandering aimlessly in circles in open fields, mired in the mud of ignorance - stuck, helpless, and plangently clueless as to why they are here and what they can do about it... or they’re having fun playing in the mud, but know they’ll inevitably be headed for slaughter. So, “it’s all spiritual” sounds to them like a feckless, fantastical, impractical, insensitive irresponsible insult to their suffering, confusion and mortality. They’re not on a road, and if they are, by that definition, it’s exactly what’s killing them. Yes, there are schemes where we’re here only once, life is rough with some minor transient relief - and then - zip! Happiness for eternity in Heaven…
But for practical spiritual purposes in the here and now, the notion that ‘all roads lead to Rome’ - a metaphor of traveling - may not have any real utility for people are currently do not have any intention of becoming a traveler on any ‘road’. And significantly - because they don’t see themselves ‘going anywhere’ i.e., ‘Rome‘- they may see their lives as less than satisfactory, resigned to suffering and confusion as an immutable horizonless ‘fate‘. But whatever; it’s all good! Even poverty and famine (including the spiritual variety).
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 03:58 AM
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It’s the perennial human dilemma, the perpetual problem - and yet - the only possible solution is an authentic spirituality in some form...getting on some road, defined by being a traveler - even if it is at first, by reckless stumbling (which doesn‘t feel like traveling…yet).
Further attenuation of the metaphor involves the conclusion that even if and when someone hears about ‘Rome’ they usually at first don’t know (or want to know) that there is a way to get there, or may even at first, vigorously reject the whole concept of destination and progression as nonsense and fantasy (a common attitude of recent escapees from religion and even some aspirants ;-) They are suspicious - even if some others who have actually been there and have the keys to the city, compassionately offer in good-faith that, “I’ve been there; anyone can go; here’s a way to get there”, etc.
Iow, the coincident appearance of this information in whatever form at the opportune moment is not even recognized or valued at first by most as part of ‘the road’ - at the outset of it. They don’t see the promise of a first stepping stone as the dynamic increment of destination, because that first step is seen as so consequential to leaving the old conditioned familiar reality as to be threatening, e.g., probably just another prison, therefore seen as more ’dogma’; as more of the same of whatever left the bad taste, and indicative of a stigmatic vapidity and weakness if validated by any interest or initiative.
They won’t read any ‘brochure’ or listen to or follow a ‘travel guide‘. It’s all a big lie and a cynical power-tripping social coercion and manipulation. The ‘fake story’ perception, and its origin: the powerful rejection and disbelief, even when faced with the salient awakened reality, then becomes the actual path - a reasoned and now regressive self-doubt detour to dead-end - in spite of the tediously well worn vagaries of that ‘devil known’. And unfortunately, for the interim, that’s as close to Rome as they want to get, which is still pretty far away. Meanwhile, they’re knee-deep and shaking their fist at the sky, apparently angry that someone woke them up! This is a very prominent pattern of transition, and the stuff of much discussion here.
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 04:01 AM
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And that’s where the risk of self-deception (and complacency) in the ‘it’s all good’/‘it’s all spiritual’ of the ’all roads’ format enters into the picture. Because people want a solution, but they don’t want the necessary hope, faith, or belief in it; or a vision or even suggestion of what is now the unknown - especially if that vision comes from, and must at first be borrowed from the ever-intimidating ‘not me‘. That’s the perception from the ego pov, when really, the suggestion of spiritual progression is actually coming from the higher aspect of ‘me’ - even if in many cases it appears to be from ‘other‘. But from the long conditioned ego’s pov, it seems like ‘not me’, dubious, suspect, even dangerous. Un-examined and asserted projection of this ego perception is the self-deception that appears to be hypocrisy, even if it is a common attribute of a nascent practical spirituality.
The ignorantly conditioned being wants first-hand ‘concrete proof’ of the experience of the new vision - not ‘stories’ - before the actual experience, which is impossible. They want an objective iron-clad guarantee of fact before the subjective becoming of truth. They want to be sure ‘Rome’ exists before ‘wasting their time’ trying to go there and appearing ridiculous in the social sphere (conventions of other ignorant peers) if and when it doesn’t (and it probably doesn‘t since ‘I‘ve never been there‘) - and more importantly, because the ‘old stories’ turned out to be onerous lies. Really they weren’t - they just became obsolete to a growing competency which superseded previous expedient.
People want to be free of the problems of life, but at the same time, and in spite of their wailing about the inadequacies of the old regime - they are hopelessly (and often blindly) attached to them, and the associated existing problems - the familiar - and not the solutions, which seem ominously unfamiliar. They want 'a' change but don’t want 'to' change.
There is a monumental resistance in human nature which is inertial, clever and vehement. It’s why very few attain to Self-realization or Gnosis. And that’s where the practical risk of self-deception of the ‘its all good’ format enters into the picture - specifically for newly awakened seekers. Because at first, it is virtually indistinguishable from the very familiar complacent enjoyment of ‘ignorance is bliss’, which they just a minute ago woke up from, but in which they are still languishing in a crepuscular indeterminacy, drifting in the semi-sleep of various unexamined attachments and hedonisms, albeit with perhaps the mannered veneer of serene composure, narratives and pride of newly revealed ideals etc., etc.
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Jyotir
05-01-2016, 04:03 AM
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True hypocrisy is actually quite rare - a conscious, deliberate, willful action in conscious deliberate willful self-conflict with explicit intention. Mostly, what we call hypocrisy is actually an unconscious self-deception - more likely a little truth mixed with much ignorance, clever resistance; self-protection and self-promotion of the dissatisfying known, which can often be more problematic than true hypocrisy, which is much more transparent.
This is largely what runs the world at the human level. But for those who see a glimmer beyond that, a beacon from beyond the horizon which is felt within, they may need to have a practical understanding of why that is so, plus a commensurately awakened self-examination and vigilance so as to effect real positive change, which the ‘it’s all spiritual’ of ‘all roads’ doesn’t at first help (imo) in terms of this particular issue.
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Besides, what I am interested in and fascinated by, is the utterly mysterious compulsion to call God, “Rome”.
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…MY GUIDES just now told me there is no God ....just platitudes, poetic license, and infinite paper.
~ J
Rokon
05-01-2016, 05:34 AM
There are a lot of people on the road hoping to get to Rome. And among them are far too many travelers that claim they already made it to Rome. They have apparently returned to the road to Rome to tell of the wonderful adventures they had in Rome and advise us to try harder, or longer, or "find the secret knowledge that will lead you out of this horrible human condition. That is the problem after all. "
I don't know if this is hypocrisy as much as it is angelic hubris. All roads may have started from a singular source but running back to the womb is not the goal of creation.
Rah nam
05-01-2016, 06:40 AM
After all, we are just here to experience whatever we choose to experience.
Perhaps not so much hypocrisy but integrity.
Mr Interesting
05-01-2016, 07:46 PM
I came across a video on facebook this morning, I go there first as I like being within a commonality of being human and seeing how all my friends express themselves in the world as they see it, and I'd been kind pondering an illustration of why hypocrisy might be entirely useful.
It could be said that spirituality, like all other things in humanity,is essentially about getting things more right which by definition also means identifying that which is wrong and so the getting of right defines that it be held in such a way as to work for us in a way which suits us... where we are.
So this progress depends of having gathered together as much right as seems fit and then living within it until such times as it becomes hypocrisy which is to say that the progress allows us to expand our senses and we begin to feel that some of the wrong we initially threw out isn't so much wrong as it is simply a more complex right.
Then choice comes into it and we make the decision to either allow the rights within the wrong to 'right' themselves which can be risky or we become more entrenched in the rights we have already defined as they offer a sense of being a legitimacy that makes us feel solid and grounded in our rights.
And at the forefront of each decision is a sense of hypocrisy which, in sense, is right and wrong tending into each other and possibly offering a wider view, a longer view of the set of circumstances that avail when the set of right we have chosen has somehow chosen to question itself and us.
For me years ago I would look at a complex artwork and would initially think it was horrid. It would be complex because it seemed to tie together disjointed ideas in ways I was initially loathe to see joined and then I would wonder why this sense of abhorrence was there when all I was looking at were marks on paper or whatever so I inclined myself to let myself look further and let whatever I might be looking at tell it's story.
And eventually things would settle and I kind of realised that hypocrisy was this kind of wavefront which saw me standing before complexities I could either embrace or disqualify as meaningless to the sense of myself I believed in.
Also, in no small part, I have to thank my father for this for he, at an earlier stage, asked me to do a painting for him whereby the edges of the canvas were complex and jarring then in the middle was softness and rest which, incidentally, was quite a huge challenge and took me ages to actually get to the point where the ceding from one to the other was even remotely useful in the sense that I could understand what he wanted.
My father had said that he wanted something to meditate on when he found himself locked up in knots and his thinking would become obsessive and he had an idea that such an artwork would allow him to start on the outside, where he felt his thinking mind was, and then work his way to the centre and as a result his mind would rest and settle.
And it was really, really hard to achieve because no matter how complex and disjointed I made the edges that when I would start working on the restful centre the complexities I'd started with would diminish and find a sense of rest... talk about hardwork!
But eventually, as in about two years later, I finally found I had something which would meet his needs and so I took it to him but good ol' dad wasn't impressed at all. He said 'nope, it needs to be more complex... it won't work'
The thing is my dad has seen and experienced stuff of incredible complexity for such a sensitive man, the slums of Glasgow and some Catholic schooling, a teenager in the merchant navy with drinking and sex for sale in Rotterdam and Caribbean islands, then the Canadian army and being posted to bombed out Dresden and a final stint in one of the biggest Steelmills in the world as a unionist as McCarthyism took hold... then intuitively hightailed it down to New Zealand where us kids that appeared, almost as soon as he stopped drinking, could get away from all that abhorrent nonsense.
My simple answer then was 'Dad, you gotta paint it yourself 'cause I just can't get the complexity you need... it just ain't available to me.'
Meanwhile talking oneself into mediocrity goes on, the self admonishing hypocrisy gets grander and more opulent. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdH2DGSXjss)
Interestingly enough the video starts with ' let's read this passage from the Bible' then talk, talk, talk, talk and even more talk and talk and talk, then ends with 'now let's read this passage from the bible'... and it doesn't appear? Oh, but its the clincher if ever there was one!
Jaded irony paints a pretty discord we can all sing along to. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyK1bZZ7E-s)
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