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Shinsoo
05-12-2015, 05:17 PM
Recently, I was dealt a massive blow. My soul decided to let go of my TF, because she felt "she didn't need romantic love in her life" This was after she had spent some time trying to convince me otherwise. Ironically, it's not having him anymore that upsets me, I came to the conclusion I was in love with the concept, not really him.
My problem is this--with him out of the picture, my divine plan is now in shambles. I have absolutely no security anymore--especially now that I quit that job. My soul has no idea where she wants to go for her goal of Ascension. It scares me to be honest. I've let go of so much and it has not helped me in clearing these entities at all. Not one has been removed.
I'm also constantly being told to think positive by my guides, how the hell am I to think positive when everything is crumbling beneath me?
Mr Interesting
05-12-2015, 08:36 PM
I've found over time that's it's best not to believe your own myth which is sometimes quite hard because they can be quite deep and connected but it's still just stories so it's best to keep things at a distance and even kinda realise, like all placebo's, that they're there to help us... but they're not us.
I mean I've got some real humdingers which really are enough to write sci-fi/fantasy novels, and I even started once, a novel, from a particularly picturesque past life experience which had all the ingredients to set up all kinds of interesting tangents... and I liked it all because it would serve, this novel I never wrote, to introduce people to the concepts which I find intriguing... but I always remember these stories are just stories and even if I might cry my eyes out at the sheer loving depth of some of these emotions it really is about the release and the letting.
So it's like these problems we set ourselves to eventually pull them apart, or just let them fall apart, and they can become incredibly complex and gratifying to the sense of self they develop but like all problems there is the almost ultimate solution which may be that they aren't even problems. The ability to build then not own is a tricky one.
naturesflow
05-12-2015, 08:59 PM
I'm also constantly being told to think positive by my guides, how the hell am I to think positive when everything is crumbling beneath me?[/
When you tell yourself something or are being told by others something, the feelings you feel in that space often help you to reach for the next step. So honouring how you feel is important. To let go and allow in something new.
Empty out, fill up, empty out, fill up...When the world feels like all it is doing is emptying then let it. Cycles change in their own time, especially when you have to dig deeper and trust in the unknown.
We like to know things and forget that when we let go of things we know and open to the unknown, all those things in between will be challenged in everyway of themselves.
But it does get easier..
Shinsoo
05-12-2015, 10:30 PM
@Mr Interesting: I guess even on a soul level, things are discovered and then tweaked with incessantly. I guess it makes sense since all my soul does is operate in the present. What I believe one day, could very well wind up hogwash the next as a result--hence the endless processing.
@naturesflow: Cycles definitely seem to be a thing with me, sometimes the mood swings make me think I'm bipolar, even though I know I am not. (Just really resistant to change!) Examine and purge, examine and purge. As for getting easier, well I'm hoping so too. I know I've made progress--it's just easy to get thrown off when a concept is revisited and I find myself feeling different than the last time I dealt with it.
Thank you both for your replies.
naturesflow
05-12-2015, 10:41 PM
@naturesflow: Cycles definitely seem to be a thing with me, sometimes the mood swings make me think I'm bipolar, even though I know I am not. (Just really resistant to change!) Examine and purge, examine and purge. As for getting easier, well I'm hoping so too. I know I've made progress--it's just easy to get thrown off when a concept is revisited and I find myself feeling different than the last time I dealt with it.
Resistance to change wil activate you in ways where you will think a lot, sometimes allowing without getting to much in your head about it all, helps you to focus more on letting go rather than making your feelings into something. Revisiting is to open the core issues that are deeply ingrained to purge from every angle. Those deeper ones that stick hard and makeup YOU as you know yourself to be, will purge until you smile...and are ok with change and being something new..The different feelings are to show you how much you hold within the issue in the layering of feelings, often not *one* feeling but a whole host..
Keep on keeping on and trust...keep on keeping on and trust..
You are the one in formation of new creation, but sometimes the bigger shambles is chaotic until sorted, to create a new clear view.
That process your walking through is important in everyway of you and the new creation of you.
Greenslade
06-12-2015, 09:15 AM
I'm also constantly being told to think positive by my guides, how the hell am I to think positive when everything is crumbling beneath me?The void is full of potential. Sometimes we need to have things torn down around our ears so that we can rebuild better and stronger and when we're standing there in the rubble of our Lives we find the strength to start again. It's akin to the cycles of creation and destruction.
Perhaps your Divine Plan and that of your Soul wasn't compatible - do you even need one?
naturesflow
06-12-2015, 09:20 AM
The void is full of potential. Sometimes we need to have things torn down around our ears so that we can rebuild better and stronger and when we're standing there in the rubble of our Lives we find the strength to start again. It's akin to the cycles of creation and destruction.
Perhaps your Divine Plan and that of your Soul wasn't compatible - do you even need one?
But is it about compatibility or that the soul simply chose the experience as part of the souls journey, that's if your talking soul and compatible stuff I mean...
I prefer nature. The nature of things as they are reflecting outward through experiences, to bring a greater view of you and how you live your life. But the whole serves you in lots of way anyway.
Greenslade
06-12-2015, 10:14 AM
But is it about compatibility or that the soul simply chose the experience as part of the souls journey, that's if your talking soul and compatible stuff I mean...
I prefer nature. The nature of things as they are reflecting outward through experiences, to bring a greater view of you and how you live your life. But the whole serves you in lots of way anyway.It depends on what people believe. If there are agreements before we incarnate then the Divine Plan is already in operation and we are a part of it, as humans we come up with our own Plan and our Plan may not be commensurate with our Higher Self. In the space between the perception of time and no-time perhaps we can realise that no Plan is needed, because everything that did happen, is happening or can happen is already happening. Or that making the Plan then having it all torn down was part of the Plan in the first place. To me, this is the interesting part, that we have all these different perspectives to choose from and each brings their own consciousness. That we can be conscious of them is interesting in itself.
I learned much about my own consciousness from a swallow of all things, so literally the nature of things in that respect. I took a spell away from the forums and Spirituality in general a while back, it was time for a break. Coming out of the supermarket I looked across the bustling carpark and the voice said "There is all of Spirituality." And it was, all of it a manifestation of the creation of Spirit.
If we need a plan it's perhaps to come into alignment with ourselves.
naturesflow
06-12-2015, 11:03 AM
[QUOTE=Greenslade]It depends on what people believe. If there are agreements before we incarnate then the Divine Plan is already in operation and we are a part of it, as humans we come up with our own Plan and our Plan may not be commensurate with our Higher Self. In the space between the perception of time and no-time perhaps we can realise that no Plan is needed, because everything that did happen, is happening or can happen is already happening. Or that making the Plan then having it all torn down was part of the Plan in the first place. To me, this is the interesting part, that we have all these different perspectives to choose from and each brings their own consciousness. That we can be conscious of them is interesting in itself.
So in this view it becomes plan and no plan, known and unknown. Creation building new creation..I always say it all serves until it no longer serves you..For me personally the more I have emptied out to let everything just be as it is, then life is just life unfolding. The emptying out of conditioning and beliefs, trapped emotional binds leads you then to living more with a blank canvas perspective. Where your more aware of you creating the life without the old baggage weighing in on you. More flowing in alignment with you as the empty space where everything is possible and living more in the moment of what just is..
I learned much about my own consciousness from a swallow of all things, so literally the nature of things in that respect. I took a spell away from the forums and Spirituality in general a while back, it was time for a break. Coming out of the supermarket I looked across the bustling carpark and the voice said "There is all of Spirituality." And it was, all of it a manifestation of the creation of Spirit.
Sometimes the voice that leads us to pay attenti of what is all around us as one whole source, arrives, to bring us back to the moment. As I often say in my posts, everything is of value in the nature of spirit, even when we let our human minds believe that some things are good and bad and don't belong, irrelevant or just insignificant, if its created it offers potential and possibilities in the flow of creation becoming of itself continuously..
If we need a plan it's perhaps to come into alignment with ourselves.
Plans are good for everyday stuff in balance of life I find. The greater plan I get glimpses of through that everyday stuff. The realization is that its all part of the plan. As you know. And then we use planning for getting more real I suppose you could say.
dryad
06-12-2015, 12:52 PM
Knowing the path and walking the path are two different things shinsoo and they don't always go together.
Do what makes you happy. Don't let your happiness depend on circumstances or other people (even if those other people are parts of you). And accept whatever comes along. Sometimes those three things contradict each other but if you can find a way to balance all three at once your doing well and you won't care about the plan. Make it up as you go along. That's what your soul is doing anyway so why shouldn't you do the same?
Astro
06-12-2015, 02:24 PM
I see an opportunity here for you to start something new; to make your own plans & be your own guide perhaps. Sometimes communicating with spirits shows us that it's not all that we had hoped for.
Lorelyen
06-12-2015, 02:42 PM
Recently, I was dealt a massive blow. My soul decided to let go of my TF, because she felt "she didn't need romantic love in her life" This was after she had spent some time trying to convince me otherwise. Ironically, it's not having him anymore that upsets me, I came to the conclusion I was in love with the concept, not really him.
My problem is this--with him out of the picture, my divine plan is now in shambles. I have absolutely no security anymore--especially now that I quit that job. My soul has no idea where she wants to go for her goal of Ascension. It scares me to be honest. I've let go of so much and it has not helped me in clearing these entities at all. Not one has been removed.
I'm also constantly being told to think positive by my guides, how the hell am I to think positive when everything is crumbling beneath me?
Sincerely sorry to hear this.
Not everything is crumbling beneath you though - you're alive, you're able to articulate your upset.
If there is a divine plan for us all, this is part of yours. I think one of the dangers of (excuse me putting it this way) "modern" spirituality/spiritual currents, they promote ideas like "twin flame" as if they're applicable the moment you meet someone you like and seem to get on with. The literature is most persuasive.
It could indeed be in some cases but not all. Your divine plan will have capacity for you to learn lessons and this could be one of them: not all that glitters about the New Age spiritual industry is gold. You have to learn to discriminate. Most of these ideas work for some people some of the time so you have to decide whether you want to go on believing in the twin-flame idea, abandon it or hold it in abeyance.
So, why not for now relax and think ordinary things, like "there are plenty of other fish in the sea" and while your recent experience will never be replicated there are many others to whom you can feel close.
Isn't that at least a positive thought? It's a start, anyway. For you are now free of something that evidently held you back.
:smile:
Mr Interesting
06-12-2015, 07:41 PM
The TF thing.
This song found me the other day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GemKqzILV4w) and I've most probably heard it before but didn't, if you get that, but this time I heard it and I heard it big, it resonated well, so I went out and googled it and then let it play over and over and just let all those emotions come through... It was all quite sad but kinda neat fun too.
It's like just after the twenty year anniversary of when we ran into each other, had our little thing where we couldn't be pried apart, at least that what it felt like, with all these amazing things happening... then it was too much and she threw me out.
16 years later and throughout that time the idea of her would rise unbidden all over the place and I was totally like 'what?', she's not here, she's gone... what? Let it go etc, 'cause hopefully I'm not a silly man and what's actually in front of me has always counted the most.
Then almost suddenly she was going to appear and all this stuff started happening. Big time dreams, looking for something I didn't realise i was looking for, absolutely loads and loads of weird and it was kind of neato feeling a significance of a new thing trying to find me, me find it, and then finding the whole TF thing as an understood thing. Wow, so that grabbed me for a while too and I willingly sunk into it and it had to go somewhere - didn't it?
But it didn't, and we're talking about two years ago... it just kinda petered out. I was left with, though, this idea of somebody, a real person, as a construct, a complete illusion that I'd welcomed into my head... silly me.
Life is just totally weird and now, the big old now, she's out there just doin' stuff and being herself. I had a quick look a while back and she looks happy enough, and it even looked like she was figuring this weirdness out, even to the extent that stuff I'm kinda looking at she's looking at too... but in her way.
So these days it's kinda yes, there's connections of course but they don't have to be on the surface of this life and that kinda let's me know they can go as deep as they please... and that too affects other connections, lets them go deep and be deep and not have to have them surfacing, being grabbed and defined on surfaces but just undercurrents doin' what undercurrents do.
And weirdly enough those big time dreams years ago are now almost the me now looking at her now and kinda knowing what she's going through and then settling into a sense that on levels beyond time and space we're close friends helping each other out and while the surface together may come about... and disappear again, deeper currents are let to be the deeper currents they are... currently!
Actually the latest one was quite neat because I decided to build a small building in her honour. A simple little shack, a writers shed, for someone to have a simple life in and to pay rent they could fix meals and so be in a position not to need money for that. These were these undercurrents surfacing, as it were, and I just kinda held at arm's length this sense of what might suit her and just let that provision what I was goin' to do and so I did it. I haven't actually built it but I cleared the ground and sorted out the design and made sure all the materials were available and while this started being something the idea of her in it faded away for the reality it was becoming. Sweet as!
About this time too, as the undercurrents had unsettled the mud, I did go have a look and low and behold she's thinking of moving and kinda asking for what I'd imagined would suit her. I like that!
naturesflow
06-12-2015, 09:44 PM
The TF thing.
This song found me the other day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GemKqzILV4w) and I've most probably heard it before but didn't, if you get that, but this time I heard it and I heard it big, it resonated well, so I went out and googled it and then let it play over and over and just let all those emotions come through... It was all quite sad but kinda neat fun too.
It's like just after the twenty year anniversary of when we ran into each other, had our little thing where we couldn't be pried apart, at least that what it felt like, with all these amazing things happening... then it was too much and she threw me out.
16 years later and throughout that time the idea of her would rise unbidden all over the place and I was totally like 'what?', she's not here, she's gone... what? Let it go etc, 'cause hopefully I'm not a silly man and what's actually in front of me has always counted the most.
Then almost suddenly she was going to appear and all this stuff started happening. Big time dreams, looking for something I didn't realise i was looking for, absolutely loads and loads of weird and it was kind of neato feeling a significance of a new thing trying to find me, me find it, and then finding the whole TF thing as an understood thing. Wow, so that grabbed me for a while too and I willingly sunk into it and it had to go somewhere - didn't it?
But it didn't, and we're talking about two years ago... it just kinda petered out. I was left with, though, this idea of somebody, a real person, as a construct, a complete illusion that I'd welcomed into my head... silly me.
Life is just totally weird and now, the big old now, she's out there just doin' stuff and being herself. I had a quick look a while back and she looks happy enough, and it even looked like she was figuring this weirdness out, even to the extent that stuff I'm kinda looking at she's looking at too... but in her way.
So these days it's kinda yes, there's connections of course but they don't have to be on the surface of this life and that kinda let's me know they can go as deep as they please... and that too affects other connections, lets them go deep and be deep and not have to have them surfacing, being grabbed and defined on surfaces but just undercurrents doin' what undercurrents do.
And weirdly enough those big time dreams years ago are now almost the me now looking at her now and kinda knowing what she's going through and then settling into a sense that on levels beyond time and space we're close friends helping each other out and while the surface together may come about... and disappear again, deeper currents are let to be the deeper currents they are... currently!
Actually the latest one was quite neat because I decided to build a small building in her honour. A simple little shack, a writers shed, for someone to have a simple life in and to pay rent they could fix meals and so be in a position not to need money for that. These were these undercurrents surfacing, as it were, and I just kinda held at arm's length this sense of what might suit her and just let that provision what I was goin' to do and so I did it. I haven't actually built it but I cleared the ground and sorted out the design and made sure all the materials were available and while this started being something the idea of her in it faded away for the reality it was becoming. Sweet as!
About this time too, as the undercurrents had unsettled the mud, I did go have a look and low and behold she's thinking of moving and kinda asking for what I'd imagined would suit her. I like that!
We journey alone, we journey together...
We often represents others we place in our space too.
But this is life, we are all in this together. Even as we may see the nature of those in our lives for what it means to us, how we placed them there, created them to be, we can through the process learn to separate ourselves into creation, allow them to be as they are in their creative process, all the while creating others as part of that picture of self, life and process.
Fate can deal a cruel hand at times. It really can. But then that is really only temporary in that view.
I think the whole creation of twin flame has served this planet in some deep and wonderful ways of opening and letting go. In fact that inward stirring at the soul level of this creation, is stirred in so many ways even in how we reconnect with new awareness and open hearts.
All the while we hold another in a space that was about us to begin with and them. But of course our side was about us. How else can it be?
What is that abba song. Knowing me, knowing you, aha! there is nothing we can do. For some reason this line is like twin flame journey, the other becomes your own aha moment of creation of you in every way of you..
Greenslade
07-12-2015, 09:16 AM
So in this view it becomes plan and no plan, known and unknown. Creation building new creation..I always say it all serves until it no longer serves you..For me personally the more I have emptied out to let everything just be as it is, then life is just life unfolding. The emptying out of conditioning and beliefs, trapped emotional binds leads you then to living more with a blank canvas perspective. Where your more aware of you creating the life without the old baggage weighing in on you. More flowing in alignment with you as the empty space where everything is possible and living more in the moment of what just is..It becomes just what it is and from there we have our own perspectives, and perhaps this is what is hidden behind the mask. That there are numerous ways of perceiving the same thing in the way that God has many names and is so many different things to so many different people. All consciousness is 'good' consciousness and perhaps all we have to ask ourselves is "What are we conscious of?"
The Truth used to be important and while trying to find it all I found was agenda, beliefs would shift with the sand that was wafted by waves and winds. I turned my face into the wind and allowed it to blow away the cobwebs and the dust and didn't mind if it ruined my neatly coiffured hairdo. It went beyond the peace that stayed with me for a while but yes, living in the moment without the clothes and baggage.
Sometimes the voice that leads us to pay attenti of what is all around us as one whole source, arrives, to bring us back to the moment. As I often say in my posts, everything is of value in the nature of spirit, even when we let our human minds believe that some things are good and bad and don't belong, irrelevant or just insignificant, if its created it offers potential and possibilities in the flow of creation becoming of itself continuously.. Everything is a part of All That Is and the Universe doesn't judge nor put consciousness into categories, boxes nor behind barriers. Good only exists in relation to bad the same as irrelevant and insignificant have their relationships, and all that really matters is our own relationships to what is around us and ourselves.
Plans are good for everyday stuff in balance of life I find. The greater plan I get glimpses of through that everyday stuff. The realization is that its all part of the plan. As you know. And then we use planning for getting more real I suppose you could say."The best laid plans of mice and men aft gang aglae." The plan has already come to fruition.
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