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Timeless
13-10-2015, 10:52 PM
With all of the uncertainty buzzing around the mind, we must remember what is important. The present moment. What is outside this precious moment? Thought, anxiety, depression, bitterness. All of which play no role in reality. It is just our mind projecting fear onto the world.
When we have a mind that is silent, we are in harmony with everything. Everything connected to us. Nature, our home, others, music, art...
Figure out what's important and give attention to that. You will soon know what's not worth giving attention to.
And who are we? We are the force that never changes. The witness of all of thoughts and actions. Our conditioned mind has split us in two. But in reality, we are whole.
Lorelyen
14-10-2015, 08:03 AM
Interesting.
Wouldn't you say that life is uncertainty? The problem with "the present moment" is that it might land on an uncertainty forcing one to make a decision. And from experience of life, one knows that moments in the pipline will bring uncertainty. So, short of being rather naïve one hopes to counter uncertainty where one can. That's what information is about - the strict definition of which is "that which reduces uncertainty". We turn to what we know, what we can project onto the moments we suspect will follow.
I knew when I started cooking breakfast this morning that things might go wrong but that invoked not fear but care - the usual precautions with an eye to whether they're adequate. They were.
I can't think how anyone could get through a day without considering what comes next; what if something changes about your plans; what if I put a foot wrong?
Plain undiluted fear is, to me, an inevitability. There are situations when confronted with something with an imminent threat. One tried to avoid them. Generalised fear of uncertainty though is a cop out to me. It happens but one tries to turn it into recovery or bring in contingency plans. It would indeed be a very simple day if I could live each moment separately without considering where and how I get food, water, pay the bills and the like and what am I going to do next because the next instant is upon me already and nothing's happened yet!
I agree though about stilling the mind. It can never be silent for long - silencing it absolutely is so very difficult - even a few seconds is better than nothing - but there are always things happening in it. It can take enormous discipline just to get to pure consciousness (it did for me!) But then, yes, you are in harmony...though ones mind is never totally silent because an awareness of that harmony lies in residual judgement which is still active.
An interesting topic. But tell me, if you would, what do you mean by conditioned mind? And why has it split us into two? How do you see the two parts? What are they? Thanks. :smile:
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naturesflow
14-10-2015, 08:59 AM
With all of the uncertainty buzzing around the mind, we must remember what is important. The present moment. What is outside this precious moment? Thought, anxiety, depression, bitterness. All of which play no role in reality. It is just our mind projecting fear onto the world.
I would add that for me I like to look at the present moment as to what fills that moment for each of us. For someone in depression or anxiety for example might be experiencing their present moment with those feelings, memories, trauma, all carried through each moment of their life moments..Is it really outside of the moment? Sometimes it is feelings trapped from unresolved trauma and memories, so however it is it all plays out it creates the reality as a whole..Everything serves reality. Even what we might perceive as insignificant..
When we have a mind that is silent, we are in harmony with everything. Everything connected to us. Nature, our home, others, music, art...
Isn't it all connected even when the mind is busy? Even in separation/conditioned mindset someone can experience all those things you mention...
Figure out what's important and give attention to that. You will soon know what's not worth giving attention to.
I guess for me the whole is important, and that is forever changing as life moves through us..
And who are we? We are the force that never changes. The witness of all of thoughts and actions. Our conditioned mind has split us in two. But in reality, we are whole.[/QUOTE]
Yes we are whole, even as another might perceive we are split, unless you feel and experience this personally, it may become irrelevant to the nature of life and process for other people on other paths, that really don't need to know this but with the potential they can of course..
Serenity69
14-10-2015, 09:09 AM
This story is about Effortless Being.
It teaches that to receive this state, we must stop struggling.
In the first Harry Potter film, Ron Weasley struggles with the devil's snare and is not relaxing causing more tension.
http://newworldlibrary.com/ArticleDetails/tabid/230/ArticleID/24/Default.aspx#.Vh4ab-nlhv4
krishna
14-10-2015, 09:39 AM
Timeless,
What a most beautiful contribution.
In pure light and truth.
Krsna.
Lorelyen
16-10-2015, 04:53 PM
We are the force that never changes. The witness of all of thoughts and actions. Our conditioned mind has split us in two. But in reality, we are whole.
I'm still curious for an answer to "what is a conditioned mind" (in this context)?
And
Why has any sort of mental conditioning split us in two?
And I could add: What gave you that idea? Do you assign it to everyone?
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Jyotir
16-10-2015, 05:11 PM
I'm still curious for an answer to "what is a conditioned mind" (in this context)?
And
Why has any sort of mental conditioning split us in two?
And I could add: What gave you that idea? Do you assign it to everyone?
...
Another question I would add Lorelyen, given the emerging pattern (which seems similar to ones we have seen before recently) is: Are these now numerous threads going to be challenged by members as insincere and proselytizing because of their profusion by the OP wilst not engaging responsively with member replies after initiating the threads? And then mysteriously the lot of them summarily disappeared (for whatever reason?) Just wondering. Also adding that "no definite answer" as the thread topic may be an ironic tease.
~ J
lemex
16-10-2015, 05:26 PM
With all of the uncertainty buzzing around the mind, we must remember what is important. The present moment. What is outside this precious moment? Thought, anxiety, depression, bitterness. All of which play no role in reality. It is just our mind projecting fear onto the world.
I have to disagree or caution what is understood to be said because sometimes reality interferers. I would expect the silent mind to become aware not ignore if anxiety, depression, bitterness is valid. Not my anxiety, depression, bitterness but recognize compassion. I'd expect we not hide the truth if something is said or silence what has been. One's connection and to see it. What I realize is I have the luxury to, but some don't. I know I throw the opportunity away but others don't have the luxury to. This is an old saying but it needs to be expanded to include the opportunity to do this.
Mr Interesting
16-10-2015, 08:16 PM
So I'm doing things my way these days... I suppose I always have but more and more my own irrelevance intrigues. What you do then is open this link and listen to it while I relate the story below. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLc6Pgueao)
The song itself was on the radio and my ears pricked as Mum asked me the question "Why are all these flies appearing each morning when I wake up and sit here to have my tea?'
How can I answer that when those flies are my friends?
First I said 'yes, I saw one this morning when I opened the curtains and it was just sitting there' but I walked away as put simply, it's their life and I usually leave the doors open anyways.
But then I said I'd seen one yesterday too as I was washing my clothes so I moved a picture on the windowsill which would have fallen out the window when I opened it and then opened the window and realised that was a window I needed to fix. As I thought this I gave the fly a gentle wave and 'it' flew off into the non-house world.
I never answered her question but I did say I can only relate how I see things and ended up talking about the windows down that side of the house I need to fix and Mum ended up smiling and even laughed.
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