View Full Version : discourse on the fundamental aspects of.... nothing.
Heart
09-10-2015, 07:34 PM
By Heart
As you can see or not see as the case may be. there is no content to the above discourse, the very absence of words shows that this discourse has no definable meaning what so ever so it may be argued that it is of no consequence and thus ignored
look a lot closer to the space, it is endowed with infinite possibilities, in it you can place all and everything, it is only limited to what you want it to be, please feel free to place in it what you want
Heart
09-10-2015, 07:40 PM
for a small amount of time i am going to put this in infinty of nothing....
When I was fixing my sons bike, I noticed how, when I spun the wheel the
spindle hardly moved as the rest of the wheel went round-and-round. Like I
usually do, I apply a lot of what ifs and try to understand what this motion is
telling me spiritually.
When you pick up an object like I have done above and apply the limited
notions of logic and physics to understand the wheel complex, you are lost in
thought of the wheel, you marvel at the wheel and its workings and how it
gracefully performs its job, how the rim is held in place by thin wires that are
constantly under compression and tension at the same time. For those who are
'technically minded' a spoked wheel is an amazing example engineering
excellence.
To continue with the spiritual side of it I am going to ask you to use your
imagination a little bit.... well actually quite a lot...lol
Now imagine your standing at the centre of the bicycle wheel, end-on to the
spindle and looking out to the rim. in front of you is the spokes running out to
rim, now just imagine each spoke is the spiritual path from the rim to the
centre, as yet there is no turning of the wheel so its a free for all/ crazy race to
reach the centre,
now imagine there is an infinite amount of spokes and everyone and everything
that is manifest and non-manifest racing as fast 'it' can to be centred in your
own little spot in time and space
I can honestly tell you now 'if' I had every kind of manifested and no-manifested entity
rushing towards me I believe I would try to find a way weed out the best from the rest!!!
Sooooo....
lets manifest a twist in this tale [smile] and turn the wheel of life.
As the wheel starts to turn, gravity starts to come into play, ha-ha those
those entitys are beginning to slip back down the spokes taking anything with it that
followed.
WOW the power of imagination is so cooool
Just to be absolutely sure no unwanted entities can reach you I'm going to oil the spokes
[Grin]
Believe me if anything can reach you now its worth listening too lol
If' your not centred then your like a fly trapped in a spiders web, on the
one hand you need to be rescued from a terrible death and yet..... hell a spider
needs to feed, don't get me wrong, both are important, who am I to interfere in
life's little idiosyncrasy's. To rescue you from such a fate would deny you the
right to be centered, without such a death you would become accustomed to being
rescued, until one day I forget.... oooops sorry
Imagine there are no spiders in this world because I rescued its prey from the
spiders web, what consequences would unfold I don't know
Just remember there is no death of the spirit, the soul survives, the body is
bound to material nature and must perish according to those natural rules. You
are essentially a spirit trapped in an animalistic body that eats and
reproduces just like any other animal on this planet. As humans we are capable
of 'ascending' our spirituality through our intellectual reasoning.... with a
tint of imagination (wink)
Conclusion.... If at anyone point in time you find yourself stuck on a spoke
that is connected to the wheel of life and you want to reach your centre.....
just let go. You are already centred in your own God given right you have just
simply forgot this
To define being centered for my own personal reasoning (just in-case there is
misinterpretation) is to be unattached to material and non-material things also
things that are manifest and non-manifest, this means I am doing nothing yet
allowing everything and all things to be, as...they...are. without interference
on my part in anyway.
naturesflow
10-10-2015, 09:26 AM
for a small amount of time i am going to put this in infinty of nothing....
When I was fixing my sons bike, I noticed how, when I spun the wheel the
spindle hardly moved as the rest of the wheel went round-and-round. Like I
usually do, I apply a lot of what ifs and try to understand what this motion is
telling me spiritually.
When you pick up an object like I have done above and apply the limited
notions of logic and physics to understand the wheel complex, you are lost in
thought of the wheel, you marvel at the wheel and its workings and how it
gracefully performs its job, how the rim is held in place by thin wires that are
constantly under compression and tension at the same time. For those who are
'technically minded' a spoked wheel is an amazing example engineering
excellence.
To continue with the spiritual side of it I am going to ask you to use your
imagination a little bit.... well actually quite a lot...lol
Now imagine your standing at the centre of the bicycle wheel, end-on to the
spindle and looking out to the rim. in front of you is the spokes running out to
rim, now just imagine each spoke is the spiritual path from the rim to the
centre, as yet there is no turning of the wheel so its a free for all/ crazy race to
reach the centre,
now imagine there is an infinite amount of spokes and everyone and everything
that is manifest and non-manifest racing as fast 'it' can to be centred in your
own little spot in time and space
I can honestly tell you now 'if' I had every kind of manifested and no-manifested entity
rushing towards me I believe I would try to find a way weed out the best from the rest!!!
Sooooo....
lets manifest a twist in this tale [smile] and turn the wheel of life.
As the wheel starts to turn, gravity starts to come into play, ha-ha those
those entitys are beginning to slip back down the spokes taking anything with it that
followed.
WOW the power of imagination is so cooool
Just to be absolutely sure no unwanted entities can reach you I'm going to oil the spokes
[Grin]
Believe me if anything can reach you now its worth listening too lol
If' your not centred then your like a fly trapped in a spiders web, on the
one hand you need to be rescued from a terrible death and yet..... hell a spider
needs to feed, don't get me wrong, both are important, who am I to interfere in
life's little idiosyncrasy's. To rescue you from such a fate would deny you the
right to be centered, without such a death you would become accustomed to being
rescued, until one day I forget.... oooops sorry
Imagine there are no spiders in this world because I rescued its prey from the
spiders web, what consequences would unfold I don't know
Just remember there is no death of the spirit, the soul survives, the body is
bound to material nature and must perish according to those natural rules. You
are essentially a spirit trapped in an animalistic body that eats and
reproduces just like any other animal on this planet. As humans we are capable
of 'ascending' our spirituality through our intellectual reasoning.... with a
tint of imagination (wink)
Conclusion.... If at anyone point in time you find yourself stuck on a spoke
that is connected to the wheel of life and you want to reach your centre.....
just let go. You are already centred in your own God given right you have just
simply forgot this
To define being centered for my own personal reasoning (just in-case there is
misinterpretation) is to be unattached to material and non-material things also
things that are manifest and non-manifest, this means I am doing nothing yet
allowing everything and all things to be, as...they...are. without interference
on my part in anyway.
Um. Accept when you trip up others in football matches..:tongue:
Big wheel keep on turning
Proud Mary keep on burning
And we're rolling, rolling
Rolling on the river
Heart
10-10-2015, 04:45 PM
Um. Accept when you trip up others in football matches..:tongue:
Big wheel keep on turning
Proud Mary keep on burning
And we're rolling, rolling
Rolling on the river
really!!!! I thought you didnt want to assume things again and then place your assumptions in a thread of infinate posibilities, for you to share....
lol.... I love it.
Im sure I never tripped him up. he kick me... remember and I never provoked it, reread my origonal posting before you assume these things any more, I repeat....please before you assume anymore
maybe I should turn this sentence around so you might understand it if your going to twist my words around, here we go....
"em kcik eh .pu mih deppirt reven" :cool:
Heart
10-10-2015, 04:58 PM
Here you go I will help you out........
Originally Posted by naturesflow
that helps your mind but what if you walk out and face it for real on the street when someone dives at you with a fist?
Living it for real?
Your not going to say out loud, "transmute this negative energy for the betterment of mankind to an angry person" with your magic wand...coming at you in a rage are you?
I will tell you a tail about one such person who thought it was a good idea to deliberatly kick me in the shin while playing football instead of kicking the ball a yard in front of me, as he bent down to pick the ball up I instinctivly knocked his lights out, he is a black belt martial artist he had to have two months off training because I responded back with equal force to his
I used my anger for its proper purpose and showed no fear in the face of adversity and before anyone here says thats not spiritual I will remind all here that enough blood and tears has been spilt to fill ALL our oceans in the name of "God"
Heart
10-10-2015, 05:00 PM
Remember.. you started this in this thread, I will continue it
lifensoul
10-10-2015, 05:48 PM
I place everything and nothing in that space, heart, except me..as long as i am not asked to define or explain any of it, lol coz i dont understand any of it myself. Its a relief indeed to be able to do so.
Heart
10-10-2015, 09:51 PM
I place everything and nothing in that space, heart, except me..as long as i am not asked to define or explain any of it, lol coz i dont understand any of it myself. Its a relief indeed to be able to do so.
smile thank you, your infinitiy and mystical being is most welcome here
naturesflow
10-10-2015, 10:20 PM
[QUOTE=heart]really!!!! I thought you didnt want to assume things again and then place your assumptions in a thread of infinate posibilities, for you to share....
Yes really...you talking to yourself hahaha....I don't apply all these assumption ideas that you do. Infinite possibilities in my book of infinity, means that assumptions don't exist, only people making them..:tongue:
"I am nothing, nothing, nothing, if I don't have you"..(that is a song by the way, so don't think I mean you..lol.)
lol.... I love it.
Thankyou I know your smart but I didn't realize you could thank me for my humorous comment above before I created it..lol..(you like turning words around, I like putting your words in places I want to put your words to match my words......:D)
Im sure I never tripped him up. he kick me... remember and I never provoked it, reread my origonal posting before you assume these things any more, I repeat....please before you assume anymore
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
I love how your defence mechanisim works, you mind is good at that...haha Bit like the wheel analogy you created. Your creations are good. Let the assumption be nothing in a thread about nothing I say... manners can stay though, I don't mind please and thankyou..:wink:
maybe I should turn this sentence around so you might understand it if your going to twist my words around, here we go....
"em kcik eh .pu mih deppirt reven" :cool:
Ok I can translate that easy, I tripped him up, he kicked me. ..:tongue:
Swami Chihuahuananda
10-10-2015, 10:26 PM
'Nothing '
An Essay by Swami Chihuahuananda
Nothing: It is what it is . The End. Also the beginning .
Really The End (I mean it )
naturesflow
10-10-2015, 10:45 PM
'Nothing '
An Essay by Swami Chihuahuananda
Nothing: It is what it is . The End. Also the beginning .
Really The End (I mean it )
Stop barking up the wrong tree..:tongue:
Heart
10-10-2015, 11:39 PM
[QUOTE]
Yes really...you talking to yourself hahaha....I don't apply all these assumption ideas that you do. Infinite possibilities in my book of infinity, means that assumptions don't exist, only people making them..:tongue:
"I am nothing, nothing, nothing, if I don't have you"..(that is a song by the way, so don't think I mean you..lol.)
Thankyou I know your smart but I didn't realize you could thank me for my humorous comment above before I created it..lol..(you like turning words around, I like putting your words in places I want to put your words to match my words......:D)
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
I love how your defence mechanisim works, you mind is good at that...haha Bit like the wheel analogy you created. Your creations are good. Let the assumption be nothing in a thread about nothing I say... manners can stay though, I don't mind please and thankyou..:wink:
Ok I can translate that easy, I tripped him up, he kicked me. ..:tongue:
You obviously love songs and I love wheels that turn...
I therefore dedicate this to you lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8eb_ACLl8
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:03 AM
[QUOTE=naturesflow]
You obviously love songs and I love wheels that turn...
I therefore dedicate this to you lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8eb_ACLl8
Lol. chubby am I? (twisting words still are we not? )
I would much rather add a little poison to your heart, which is more my style..:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaqymceidB8
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:12 AM
oooops did I say poison..I meant to say elastic..lol
Must have had another group, song on my mind..:D
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:19 AM
[QUOTE=heart]
Lol. chubby am I? (twisting words still are we not? )
I would much rather add a little poison to your heart, which is more my style..:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaqymceidB8
I got half way through and felt ill... must heve beeeeen th e po ii seen
wow im still alive!!
that song was weird........ oh...... good one, you think im weird too, well, well for a second there I thought I was normal in an abnormal world filled with shin kicking footballers
chubby? no, crafty yes
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:29 AM
[QUOTE=naturesflow]
I got half way through and felt ill... must heve beeeeen th e po ii seen
wow im still alive!!
that song was weird........ oh...... good one, you think im weird too, well, well for a second there I thought I was normal in an abnormal world filled with shin kicking footballers
chubby? no, crafty yes
The crafty you see is my craft to be me...
Feel what you want, Sia runs rings/wheels? around chubby anyday..
He checked out long ago...get with it man!
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:31 AM
Enjoy peeps,
http://www.dlshq.org/download/thought_power.pdf
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:37 AM
[QUOTE=heart]
The crafty you see is my craft to be me...
Feel what you want, Sia runs rings/wheels? around chubby anyday..
He checked out long ago...get with it man!
dont you mean... The crafty you see is my craft to be....
chubby checked out long ago............. lol
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:42 AM
dont you mean... The crafty you see is my craft to be....
I am not mean!!!! You see crafty, and craft to be, I just be me..:wink:
chubby checked out long ago............. lol
He did, no wonder your feeling ill listening to Sia you still have threads locked into your heart from being tied to chubby....
its called
Chubby attachment..not healthy for your heart, heart...(I sound like a parrot for some reason):icon_eek:
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:43 AM
YOur turn? lol
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:43 AM
'Nothing '
An Essay by Swami Chihuahuananda
Nothing: It is what it is . The End. Also the beginning .
Really The End (I mean it )
I am interested in your understanding of the gap (if any) is between the end and the beginning, thank you
Hello
While Heart is my lovely hubby I had to come in here with the giggles.....that song "Lets Twist Again" it too funny. Last Summer (2014) there was a place of "nothing" at times. It was like life on hold and that is not a place for anyone to ever be in. Heart was in the process of his divorce and I was in the process of separation and getting the house sold and kids settled with it all. Time litterally seems to stand still in this place of nothing, and that is not a good feeling.
I can only relate it to what it much be like in quick sand and you know well that there is little chance to escape it but to you know that the process of your impending death is coming.
Lynn
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:46 AM
The discourse on the fundamental aspects of.... nothing-where anything and everything occurs in the spaces as a whole field of space, which is nothing really but everything/anything it wishes to create itself to be
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:47 AM
Hello
While Heart is my lovely hubby I had to come in here with the giggles.....that song "Lets Twist Again" it too funny. Last Summer (2014) there was a place of "nothing" at times. It was like life on hold and that is not a place for anyone to ever be in. Heart was in the process of his divorce and I was in the process of separation and getting the house sold and kids settled with it all. Time litterally seems to stand still in this place of nothing, and that is not a good feeling.
I can only relate it to what it much be like in quick sand and you know well that there is little chance to escape it but to you know that the process of your impending death is coming.
Lynn
I died a thousand deaths and can still write these words lol come... lets do the twist again lol
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:50 AM
I am not mean!!!! You see crafty, and craft to be, I just be me..:wink:
He did, no wonder your feeling ill listening to Sia you still have threads locked into your heart from being tied to chubby....
its called
Chubby attachment..not healthy for your heart, heart...(I sound like a parrot for some reason):icon_eek:
Im going to get to the heart of this.... not healthy for your heart heart me hearty
locked threads.... in my heart. hmmmm
can you repeat that, I said repeat it
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:50 AM
Hello
While Heart is my lovely hubby I had to come in here with the giggles.....that song "Lets Twist Again" it too funny. Last Summer (2014) there was a place of "nothing" at times. It was like life on hold and that is not a place for anyone to ever be in. Heart was in the process of his divorce and I was in the process of separation and getting the house sold and kids settled with it all. Time litterally seems to stand still in this place of nothing, and that is not a good feeling.
I can only relate it to what it much be like in quick sand and you know well that there is little chance to escape it but to you know that the process of your impending death is coming.
Lynn
I know he is your hubby Lynne..you are lucky to have a sweet joyful man to entertain you with (lets just say) less than desirable music..lol
Life has moments that test us, challenge us, where nothing happens as we might like, but eventually everything sorts itself out as it will, life is happening in the nothing even as it might be perceived as otherwise..life is constant..:hug3:
Heavy feelings of major endings can feel like death.
As Gem mentioned somewhere else in his post, fear at the end point is fear of death. I know this from experience to open that face of fear. We do this in many ways of having to feel and let go, end and start again.
Its life really..
And while we live we don't really want to die...because somewhere inside us knows we have more life to live even when life plays out in ways where it might seem like its going to end or be stalled in the process of itself. :)
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:51 AM
WARNING WARNING....
you have be certified crazy to enter into nothing
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 01:56 AM
[QUOTE=heart]Im going to get to the heart of this.... not healthy for your heart heart me hearty
Your really a pirate I disguise?
Looking for the golden treasure me matey? Keep looking, you have the map in you..:wink:
locked threads.... in my heart. hmmmm
can you repeat that, I said repeat it
Locked threads...in my heart. hmmmm
Can you repeat that, I said repeat it-Done
Happy now? I didn't count the dots so promise you wont count them..:tongue:
Heart
11-10-2015, 01:57 AM
I know he is your hubby Lynne..you are lucky to have a sweet joyful man to entertain you with (lets just say) less than desirable music..lol
Life has moments that test us, challenge us, where nothing happens as we might like, but eventually everything sorts itself out as it will, life is happening in the nothing even as it might be perceived as otherwise..life is constant..:hug3:
Heavy feelings of major endings can feel like death.
As Gem mentioned somewhere else in his post, fear at the end point is fear of death. I know this from experience to open that face of fear. We do this in many ways of having to feel and let go, end and start again.
Its life really..
And while we live we don't really want to die...because somewhere inside us knows we have more life to live even when life plays out in ways where it might seem like its going to end :)
Here is a poem for your machinations
You hear your fear, its drawing near
You turn to run and hide
many times has this been done
throughout your entire life.
Now the mind is tired and weary
with being on the run
the ego is deflated finding running not much fun
you stop and turn to see your fear
its running very fast.
You realise its not stopping
as its heading for a crash
You stand there boldly waiting
for it to end your life
You feel as though your dieing
as it cuts through like a knife
You see it passing through you
and your fear it does go
You sit there in stunned wonder
What did you just go through
by Heart
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:01 AM
WARNING WARNING....
you have be certified crazy to enter into nothing
Your nuts..you sound like the robot from lost in space...which is a good thing...:wink:
Warning! Warning! Heart, approaching alien is hot on your heels..get lost in space and anything is possible..:tongue:
Heart
11-10-2015, 02:03 AM
Your nuts..you sound like the robot from lost in space...which is a good thing...:wink:
Warning! Warning! Heart, approaching alien is hot on your heels..get lost in space and anything is possible..:tongue:
Ive allways wanted a hot alian after me, now I will never know that final frontier
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:06 AM
Here is a poem for your machinations
You hear your fear, its drawing near
You turn to run and hide
many times has this been done
throughout your entire life.
Now the mind is tired and weary
with being on the run
the ego is deflated finding running not much fun
you stop and turn to see your fear
its running very fast.
You realise its not stopping
as its heading for a crash
You stand there boldly waiting
for it to end your life
You feel as though your dieing
as it cuts through like a knife
You see it passing through you
and your fear it does go
You sit there in stunned wonder
What did you just go through
by Heart
YES YOU get it...lol
I remember when walking through my fear of death it was reanacted in me to show me through direct communcaiton and alterations to my body as one source of experience. I recal at the final moment saying to myself as I became aware of my own heart stop beating and saying in my mind.....OH s*** is that all it is? ....lol..someone then answered me and said Yes that is it....I got up and life shifted in that moment..Now in hindsight I realized I went through three months of terror and resistance, letting go and opening for that moment to say oh s*** is that all it is? and get on with life..:D
Strange creatures we are...in fear.
Heart
11-10-2015, 02:08 AM
wow soo true I AM A ROBOT.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJtf5-aPuk
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:11 AM
Ive allways wanted a hot alian after me, now I will never know that final frontier
Hey spell check....alien..not alian.
You and final frontiers, I don't know... what on earth will we do with you?
The Heart that reminisces is a heart that has those threads......:rolleyes:
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:12 AM
wow soo true I AM A ROBOT.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJtf5-aPuk
Robotic confrontation..lol
Hilarous..:biggrin:
Heart
11-10-2015, 02:14 AM
YES YOU get it...lol
I remember when walking through my fear of death it was reanacted in me to show me through direct communcaiton and alterations to my body as one source of experience. I recal at the final moment saying to myself as I became aware of my own heart stop beating and saying in my mind.....OH s*** is that all it is? ....lol..someone then answered me and said Yes that is it....I got up and life shifted in that moment..Now in hindsight I realized I went through three months of terror and resistance, letting go and opening for that moment to say oh s*** is that all it is? and get on with life..:D
Strange creatures we are...in fear.
fear is just another tool for transformation, now your free of your own mind
Heart
11-10-2015, 02:15 AM
Robotic confrontation..lol
Hilarous..:biggrin:
I though it was rather apt considering the threads and posts weve battled through lol
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:16 AM
I though it was rather apt considering the threads and posts weve battled through lol
I am saving this one for the next fight of others..in my space..lol..
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:20 AM
fear is just another tool for transformation, now your free of your own mind
What is a mind?
I don't mind what you think it is, but just don't tell me to mind my own business...ok..that is rude..:tongue:
Heart
11-10-2015, 02:25 AM
What is a mind?
I don't mind what you think it is, but just don't tell me to mind my own business...ok..that is rude..:tongue:
re-mind-me-not-to-provoke-you-your-light-beam-has-paralized-me-i-cant-move
naturesflow
11-10-2015, 02:59 AM
re-mind-me-not-to-provoke-you-your-light-beam-has-paralized-me-i-cant-move
This is not a scene from frozen heart...unless your a big kid at heart who loved that movie like moi...:tongue:
Let it go-let it go-let it go
Don't let my light beam freeze your glow
Let it go-let it go
defrost now, before you explode...lol
I know he is your hubby Lynne..you are lucky to have a sweet joyful man to entertain you with (lets just say) less than desirable music..lol
Life has moments that test us, challenge us, where nothing happens as we might like, but eventually everything sorts itself out as it will, life is happening in the nothing even as it might be perceived as otherwise..life is constant..:hug3:
Heavy feelings of major endings can feel like death.
As Gem mentioned somewhere else in his post, fear at the end point is fear of death. I know this from experience to open that face of fear. We do this in many ways of having to feel and let go, end and start again.
Its life really..
And while we live we don't really want to die...because somewhere inside us knows we have more life to live even when life plays out in ways where it might seem like its going to end or be stalled in the process of itself. :)
I thought I felt my ears burning...
Swami Chihuahuananda
11-10-2015, 09:59 PM
Stop barking up the wrong tree..:tongue:
Barking isn't what Chis do with trees ! :D :wink:
(and all trees are good for doing Chi business :icon_eek: )
:wink:
Mr Interesting
11-10-2015, 10:20 PM
Like this box, or initially the sides and the top were worth saving as it's nice oaky stuff, was just getting in the way being nothing as yet but still me wanting it to eventually be something and so I found myself with a bit of time after building a bunch of artworks to hang on the walls and realised I want'd to counter those wall hanging things with something sitting on the ground. Why? A valid question but I'd have to think and I much prefer doing. Why not? Yup, much better as I can just get on with doing and often just by doing a why comes along anyways.
So I did and was going to hang drawers in it and the discussion would be the importation of Oak as a metaphor for colonisation etc and the drawers would be native timbers all abused and worn out just doing the actual job of storage... but that was too hard 'cause I'm really actually profoundly lazy and I just remembered making something similar years ago, as in a box with a door and shelves, so that's what I did. So this morning, with all the work on the door prompting me, I saw the box as a frame and the door as the artwork but then there's a hole in it and last time I did this I filled it in with a grill of sorts, a welded up, well brazed actually 'cause that's easier, but again I'm lazy and I just thought maybe leaving the hole empty is like it's all about nothing... the central motif, as it were is just emptiness.
Because, if I remember correctly, as in the actual experience now almost forgotten, that beyond nothing is everything that isn't yet anything.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/quickkiwi/IMG_20151012_102154_zpsghjh8sit.jpg
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 01:52 AM
I thought I felt my ears burning...
Yes it was me, I apologize for that. Burning ears can feel a little unpleasant at times.
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 01:52 AM
Barking isn't what Chis do with trees ! :D :wink:
(and all trees are good for doing Chi business :icon_eek: )
:wink:
Your silly..do you know this?
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 01:54 AM
Like this box, or initially the sides and the top were worth saving as it's nice oaky stuff, was just getting in the way being nothing as yet but still me wanting it to eventually be something and so I found myself with a bit of time after building a bunch of artworks to hang on the walls and realised I want'd to counter those wall hanging things with something sitting on the ground. Why? A valid question but I'd have to think and I much prefer doing. Why not? Yup, much better as I can just get on with doing and often just by doing a why comes along anyways.
So I did and was going to hang drawers in it and the discussion would be the importation of Oak as a metaphor for colonisation etc and the drawers would be native timbers all abused and worn out just doing the actual job of storage... but that was too hard 'cause I'm really actually profoundly lazy and I just remembered making something similar years ago, as in a box with a door and shelves, so that's what I did. So this morning, with all the work on the door prompting me, I saw the box as a frame and the door as the artwork but then there's a hole in it and last time I did this I filled it in with a grill of sorts, a welded up, well brazed actually 'cause that's easier, but again I'm lazy and I just thought maybe leaving the hole empty is like it's all about nothing... the central motif, as it were is just emptiness.
Because, if I remember correctly, as in the actual experience now almost forgotten, that beyond nothing is everything that isn't yet anything.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/quickkiwi/IMG_20151012_102154_zpsghjh8sit.jpg
The possibilities of nothing, how inspiring it can be. I like it.
Swami Chihuahuananda
12-10-2015, 02:21 AM
Your silly..do you know this?
http://meandmyachilles.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/silly-walks.jpg
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 02:27 AM
http://meandmyachilles.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/silly-walks.jpg
Swamilegtriloquism is a craft not many of us attain too....your a legend as well I see..:wink:
Swami Chihuahuananda
12-10-2015, 08:07 PM
Swamilegtriloquism is a craft not many of us attain too....your a legend as well I see..:wink:
I learn from the Master : Gurujohn Cleesencheesenheimer himself :wink:
(of The Great Order of Pythonius Montificate ):tongue:
Mr Interesting
12-10-2015, 08:38 PM
http://twentytwowords.com/bob-dylan-is-a-welder-and-he-makes-big-iron-gates-out-of-scrap-metal-5-pictures/
Jeepers Bell leapers... this could go on the other thread too, just as much consequence.
Anyways, the concept of negative space is relatively well understood by artists not just as the frame but as an integral part of what the whole is especially with sculpture be it relatively 2D, as in these gates, and 3D because you're always working alongside and using the nothing as much as the something. What is removed or left bare has as much impact and the ability to refer as what is sometimes called positive space.
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 09:52 PM
I learn from the Master : Gurujohn Cleesencheesenheimer himself :wink:
You learn well, your high and side kicks are magnifique!
(of The Great Order of Pythonius Montificate ):tongue:
Pythoniusmontification is de bom!
Its truly amazing to be montificated by a python, it does things to my head that turns me a little opythonated in a montificated kind of way..:wink:
naturesflow
12-10-2015, 09:59 PM
http://twentytwowords.com/bob-dylan-is-a-welder-and-he-makes-big-iron-gates-out-of-scrap-metal-5-pictures/
Jeepers Bell leapers... this could go on the other thread too, just as much consequence.
Anyways, the concept of negative space is relatively well understood by artists not just as the frame but as an integral part of what the whole is especially with sculpture be it relatively 2D, as in these gates, and 3D because you're always working alongside and using the nothing as much as the something. What is removed or left bare has as much impact and the ability to refer as what is sometimes called positive space.
Me likes and very true.
I am thinking of changing my name now. To artist of the soul..:cool:
My h is very much like you. He has all this reclaimed *other peoples junk* space in our yard that he has all these wonderful visions of creating into something...I am waiting for the day he can take the time to do those things, as I know he has the gift to use his imagination and hands to bring anything to life in this way. I see his car restoration abilities in everyway of this. An old car needing resurrection and love, put it in his hands and it's quite amazing what his gift can create.
His current idea is making bars out of old heating oil tanks. I found some old wooden barn doors the other day for 30 dollars so he now has some old wood panelling to make the tops...
Deepsoul
13-10-2015, 04:58 AM
>>> Love <<<
Swami Chihuahuananda
13-10-2015, 09:50 AM
You learn well, your high and side kicks are magnifique!
Pythoniusmontification is de bom!
Its truly amazing to be montificated by a python, it does things to my head that turns me a little opythonated in a montificated kind of way..:wink:
Well spanked, sir or madam, well spanked , indeed :smile:
But back to the topic at hand:
"I've got nothing to say and I'm saying it"
(Bill Nelson - 'Old Goat' )
http://twentytwowords.com/bob-dylan-is-a-welder-and-he-makes-big-iron-gates-out-of-scrap-metal-5-pictures/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Ftwentytwowords.com%2Fb ob-dylan-is-a-welder-and-he-makes-big-iron-gates-out-of-scrap-metal-5-pictures%2F)
Jeepers Bell leapers... this could go on the other thread too, just as much consequence.
Anyways, the concept of negative space is relatively well understood by artists not just as the frame but as an integral part of what the whole is especially with sculpture be it relatively 2D, as in these gates, and 3D because you're always working alongside and using the nothing as much as the something. What is removed or left bare has as much impact and the ability to refer as what is sometimes called positive space.
Same rule applies in music, too. I used to say that music is a way of organising the space.
no1wakesup
14-10-2015, 03:40 AM
Some-thingness is our world. It is our tangible reality, our sense of safe and solid ground, which makes up the very foundation of what we know as our existence. Our sense of self, our separation, our intellect, our words, our emotions, our perception and every one of our 5 senses are saturated in some-thingness.
Our challenge then fundamentally, which goes predominately unnoticed by even the most “spiritual” among us, is in what we define as nothingness. Yet that dual interpretation, from what we know as the primary and safe ground of somethingness (our physical existence), primarily serves only one side of a coin we only think and believed to have two sides. We are fully invested in what we want, need and hope we will find as nothingness. We have to define nothingness in such a way that it leaves a sense of something still in the picture. We need to find something we can still grasp in what we are only interpreting as nothingness. The divide is between what the perpetual process of the mind interprets and that which is without any interpretation whatsoever. The mind is kept busy attempting to narrow that gap, while nothingness also disguised as some-thingness, knows there are no borders in the first place.
So when the mind (egoic mind) interprets “I am nothingness”, the first notion that briefly hits home is one of annihilation. As it must, since the mind only can conceptualize and relate to a duality of what it believes for itself to be a primary some-thingness. In the mind, nothingness is expressed only in terms of that which is rooted in some-thingness, so the mind always needs to find something in it (nothingness). Nothingness has no opposite. It has no other to support it, confirm it or safely cheer it on from the sidelines. Nothingness is not a lack of some-thingness. That is a view which only a conditioned mind can interpret. Its better to suggest it is being-ness without anyone there to be anything. The moment the mind hears the term nothingness, some-thingness already has it in its hands, touching it, feeling it and controlling it in order to re-define it as a relational quality it can then filter and further conceptualize.
One that is realized, sees the comedy and beauty of nothingness as it plays the game of both slave and master.... yet also sees both as disappearing acts.
Swami Chihuahuananda
14-10-2015, 10:10 AM
"Nothing is everything,
Everything is nothing ,
is ... "
Pete Townshend - 'Nothing Is Everything '
Somethimes the complicated things are fine left with a Zen doodle or
a simple 'answer' , and because I'm in a non-involved , un-talkative
mood about all this spiritual stuff lately . Not so much the peace that passes understanding, which is , of course, a Big Thing, but also : the understanding that surpasses descriptions .
Dogboy out :grommit:
no1wakesup
14-10-2015, 01:45 PM
"Nothing is everything,
Everything is nothing ,
is ... "
Pete Townshend - 'Nothing Is Everything '
Somethimes the complicated things are fine left with a Zen doodle or
a simple 'answer' , and because I'm in a non-involved , un-talkative
mood about all this spiritual stuff lately . Not so much the peace that passes understanding, which is , of course, a Big Thing, but also : the understanding that surpasses descriptions .
Dogboy out :grommit:
Yes, sometimes a simple koen will suffice... or the discussion goes where it goes. In the long or short of it, there are no limitations to such exchanges. In the mind, "complicated" or "uncomplicated" share the same bed.
Heart
14-10-2015, 01:55 PM
"Nothing is everything,
Everything is nothing ,
is ... "
Pete Townshend - 'Nothing Is Everything '
Somethimes the complicated things are fine left with a Zen doodle or
a simple 'answer' , and because I'm in a non-involved , un-talkative
mood about all this spiritual stuff lately . Not so much the peace that passes understanding, which is , of course, a Big Thing, but also : the understanding that surpasses descriptions .
Dogboy out :grommit:
what is more important, a full cup or an empty one?
Heart
14-10-2015, 01:56 PM
ISomething I wrote about years ago.... for you to machinate over
n a Stormy sea
I am in a stormy sea trying to keep my head above water, the waves must be very high because I cant see the tops of them, I have a job a house, a wife and child, but they seem a long distance away: This body fills with pain and sorrow and feels very heavy for I see my own death approaching, the mind, playing tricks on me has me swimming in circles and in such a vast sea there is no hope of surviving…….
I seem to have hope but for what I know not, yet another yarn the mind has played on me I suppose. This ego is strong, it will help me survive, it keeps saying as if on constant replay. ‘You will persist wont you, leave me alone to die in peace’ is my answer…..
After a while the thoughts quieten, the sea subsides and the storm is nearly over. As the waves get smaller and smaller the horizon becomes clearer. By now I can no longer feel this body as though it belongs to someone else, I watch it floating on the now near mirror perfect surface of the sea, I marvel at how it just holds itself, just floating….mind floating, juuust……..
For what seemed like lifetimes of memories, I was here and there, there and here back and forth across endless boundless galaxies and universes all at once instantly at this very moment. The sensation of nothingness through this body was overwhelming……..
I have never ever felt so much peace and harmony as I do now. My heart feels as though it could burst from its place. The most inexplicable sensation of joy and happiness overwhelms this soul…… Tears role down my face, all my fears, pain, sorrow, regrets, into one tear as I remember the saying... One tear is an ocean of suffering……all forgiven, all liberated, all released
I wake up from what seemed an eternity yet no more than a few hours had past, A tinge of disappointment hung over my heart when I realised I was in the sea waiting to die, With one thought I made my mind up…. Im going home and that is that……
By will alone I allowed this body to slowly sink beneath the surface, I rested there on the bottom of the sea floor looking up at the sunlight…… Sunlight!!! What is sunlight doing all down here? I stand up and my head breaks the surface, in front of me is paradise
Another thought for another day
what is more important, a full cup or an empty one?
I think that depends on what it's full or empty of.
Also, the saying 'cup runneth over' springs to mind
Heart
15-10-2015, 10:46 PM
I think that depends on what it's full or empty of.
Also, the saying 'cup runneth over' springs to mind
lol I was asked once what the cup represents..... I could not answer so Im up to suggestions on that one, I am also leaving the idea that the cup may be full of everything and emptied into nothing leaving the impression that there is something doing the filling and there is also something doing the emptying, then there is something in no-thing that is taking that which is everything
!!!!!
Even if I dare to enter something into the cup it will be limited in its meaning so I will leave it to others who are inclined to use the cup metaphor as to what is in there cups to be filled
lol
naturesflow
15-10-2015, 11:21 PM
[QUOTE=heart]lol I was asked once what the cup represents..... I could not answer so Im up to suggestions on that one, I am also leaving the idea that the cup may be full of everything and emptied into nothing leaving the impression that there is something doing the filling and there is also something doing the emptying, then there is something in no-thing that is taking that which is everything
I am the cup. So where am I in all this you present? The one living it and creating it to be..:wink:
!!!!!
Even if I dare to enter something into the cup it will be limited in its meaning so I will leave it to others who are inclined to use the cup metaphor as to what is in there cups to be filled
If you feel your complete their is no limit because every view is complete of itself as it is. Meaning is shared of itself as itself. So the limitation you see is really your own limitation in yourself. The inclusion of all meaning is inclusive of self and others.
lol I was asked once what the cup represents..... I could not answer so Im up to suggestions on that one, I am also leaving the idea that the cup may be full of everything and emptied into nothing leaving the impression that there is something doing the filling and there is also something doing the emptying, then there is something in no-thing that is taking that which is everything
Ok, so the not doing of filling or emptying means there is something doing nothing because anything is doing everything and everything is doing something.
!!!!!
Even if I dare to enter something into the cup it will be limited in its meaning so I will leave it to others who are inclined to use the cup metaphor as to what is in there cups to be filled
lol
I', a pragmatist and usually say, 'well, the bottom half is full and the top half is empty'. My brother is an engineer so he says, 'we don't need a cup this big'.
Swami Chihuahuananda
16-10-2015, 09:49 AM
what is more important, a full cup or an empty one?
No empty or full . No anything or anything else . A cup, and stuff . Is the stuff in the cup? Does stuff need a cup ? How big is the cup compared to how much stuff there is ? Is there only one size of cup? Is there a limited amount of stuff ? Is a cup even needed ? Is the stuff actually myself ? Am I the cup and the stuff too? And where's my pizza ? :wink:
naturesflow
16-10-2015, 10:03 AM
No empty or full . No anything or anything else . A cup, and stuff . Is the stuff in the cup? Does stuff need a cup ? How big is the cup compared to how much stuff there is ? Is there only one size of cup? Is there a limited amount of stuff ? Is a cup even needed ? Is the stuff actually myself ? Am I the cup and the stuff too? And where's my pizza ? :wink:
a stuffed cup?
Heart
16-10-2015, 07:49 PM
No empty or full . No anything or anything else . A cup, and stuff . Is the stuff in the cup? Does stuff need a cup ? How big is the cup compared to how much stuff there is ? Is there only one size of cup? Is there a limited amount of stuff ? Is a cup even needed ? Is the stuff actually myself ? Am I the cup and the stuff too? And where's my pizza ? :wink:
Arjuna would have a problem with my cup,,,,, it would be too full of no-thing and something to destroy (everything)
the problem of the concept of nothing is that it becomes a negative concept of something especially if no-thing is focused on too much, the all-that-is is neither nothing and something yet he/she/it is both, "it" is beyond our comprehension, so we have to use this form we call ourselves to define what is not there yet it is
lol
Heart
16-10-2015, 07:50 PM
Ok, so the not doing of filling or emptying means there is something doing nothing because anything is doing everything and everything is doing something.
I', a pragmatist and usually say, 'well, the bottom half is full and the top half is empty'. My brother is an engineer so he says, 'we don't need a cup this big'.
lol you sound like me.... are we twins?
Heart
16-10-2015, 07:56 PM
[QUOTE]
I am the cup. So where am I in all this you present? The one living it and creating it to be..:wink:
!!!!!
I dont know if one cup is big enough,,,, thats like fitting two entire universes in a cup of tea.... ah well... bottoms up, wow that nutron star is heavy
If you feel your complete their is no limit because every view is complete of itself as it is. Meaning is shared of itself as itself. So the limitation you see is really your own limitation in yourself. The inclusion of all meaning is inclusive of self and others.
Im complete and limitless, this view is complete in every way, and I shared this with myself and found I have limited myself hehehehehe
Mr Interesting
16-10-2015, 08:33 PM
I so used to dig when I was a kid and Mum would ask us how something that wasn't supposed to have happened actually happened and then would introduce this guy called Mr Nobody and I always kinda went away from those times thinking this Mr Nobody was an interesting dude. I knew he wasn't real and I was actually the Mr Nobody who'd been supposedly naughty but wasn't going to own up to it but at the same time I wasn't really that interested in the morality of such things but loved this Mr Nobody who got away with all kinds of things.
Swami Chihuahuananda
17-10-2015, 02:06 AM
Arjuna would have a problem with my cup,,,,, it would be too full of no-thing and something to destroy (everything)
the problem of the concept of nothing is that it becomes a negative concept of something especially if no-thing is focused on too much, the all-that-is is neither nothing and something yet he/she/it is both, "it" is beyond our comprehension, so we have to use this form we call ourselves to define what is not there yet it is
lol
Yeah, we're the ones who differentiate "nothing, something, no-thing, some-thing, " etc . What is (or isn't) 'is' beyond isness or isn'tness . I think Bill Clinton was onto something when he brought up the floppiness of our definitions of the word "is" :icon_thumright: :wink:
Heart
17-10-2015, 02:16 AM
Yeah, we're the ones who differentiate "nothing, something, no-thing, some-thing, " etc . What is (or isn't) 'is' beyond isness or isn'tness . I think Bill Clinton was onto something when he brought up the floppiness of our definitions of the word "is" :icon_thumright: :wink:
lol
so we are now left with trying to understand something we will never understand
comprehend something that is incomprehensible,
an is beyond isness and nothing that has no-thing in it,
assuming all of this is not even posible then not one word i would use to describe all and everything falls into the never-ending-void............
yet here we are discussing it lol
Swami Chihuahuananda
17-10-2015, 12:24 PM
lol
so we are now left with trying to understand something we will never understand
comprehend something that is incomprehensible,
an is beyond isness and nothing that has no-thing in it,
assuming all of this is not even posible then not one word i would use to describe all and everything falls into the never-ending-void............
yet here we are discussing it lol
Yes, nobody at all ... examining themselves in the mirror . We love a good paradox, yes we do :smile: Nothing to see here, thank you drive through, and enjoy the view :tongue:
Heart
17-10-2015, 05:16 PM
Yes, nobody at all ... examining themselves in the mirror . We love a good paradox, yes we do :smile: Nothing to see here, thank you drive through, and enjoy the view :tongue:
Yuor words reminds me of the time I stared at a vast mountain range in utter silence and stillness and awe of its beauty....
It speaks in volumes of untold wisdom in a voiclesss voice that cannot be heard yet is clear to the ear that truely hears and an eye that sees truth unfold before us like a stream of water running by.....
sigh
Swami Chihuahuananda
18-10-2015, 01:58 AM
Yuor words reminds me of the time I stared at a vast mountain range in utter silence and stillness and awe of its beauty....
It speaks in volumes of untold wisdom in a voiclesss voice that cannot be heard yet is clear to the ear that truely hears and an eye that sees truth unfold before us like a stream of water running by.....
sigh
Well, the fact that you are thusly reminded , merely by the goofy observations of an often rather silly person speaks greatly towards the depth and vision of your own person . But hey, there's a time and place for everything : for serious and goofy, for long discussions and stretches of silence . Sometimes the silence inspires words , and sometimes the words inspire silence . Sometimes pretty close together or right on top of each other. I remind myself of a little piece of paper in a fortune cookie sometimes . Sometimes simplistic, obvious, and generic, sometimes eerily on-point and synergistically meaningful .
Or something like that :smile:
Heart
18-10-2015, 02:22 AM
silence is golden, sound is the word... hearing the golden sounds of silence as an unspoken word
colour and resonance is the depth and vision I speak off
Swami Chihuahuananda
19-10-2015, 09:34 AM
silence is golden, sound is the word... hearing the golden sounds of silence as an unspoken word
colour and resonance is the depth and vision I speak off
Nice...
Dark gives space for light , as light (and colors resonant) gives dark a well earned break . Silence gives space for sound as sound resonates in colorful contrast to the spaces of silence that embody it . Silence needs music, as music needs silence, and some of my music makes you want silence :biggrin:
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