Fastest growing religion?

[Create Your Desires]

Hey Hey!

I was reading some statistics the other day and it showed me that the fastest growing "religion" is not what you would probably think.

It is "Atheism." I suppose that isn't even a religion really. And that it isn't really a religion is what really says something!

Why do you think that is??

Here is what I think....

We now live in the "information age." And people are learning at higher and higher rates then ever. They now have info at their disposal on any subject. Haha, ANY subject ;-)

Before the internet, folks were really limited in their search for knowledge. Access to knowledge and info is... oh I don't know.... about 1000000 times more accessable and abundant.

And the youngest generations are the ones that get the most exposure to this Info Age, It's what they know best. So it leads them to ask questions and get answers, or at least find new info to add to their search and expand their questions.

And frankly, traditional "Religion" is not what they are finding they agree with.

I can relate to that. I was a raised "Christian" and went to church etc for over 20 years.

But then.... the internet. I found/still find tremendously valuable and alternative information that seems to make a lot of sense to me. Probably you too since you are getting this email ;-) (Thanks by the way for actually wanting to read these)

What I've discovered so far is that Religion is based in some valuable information. So why then are people straying?
I'd say it is because of the "twists" that religion puts into their construct.

For instance, I was a Christian, they told me I could commit any "sin" except Not believe in Jesus and commit suicide. ???

And if God gave us free will, why then would we be banished to Hell for making certain decisions??? If God Loves us unconditionally.... what's with the conditions???

And what of this "Devil" charactor that has little children shaking like nuts at night??
Why would this All Powerful God allow this dude to exist??
Why did this Jesus dude need to die for our sins???

So.... a few, lets say... inconsistencies.

But with the internet, ohhhh the internet (I'd give it a big fat kiss if I could Muah), has exposed many of us to alternative info... Namely

The Law of Attraction (LOA)!!! That beautiful little piece of info.

That has changed folks thinking dramatically on a growing basis.

At first look, LOA seems far fetched (even if you already believed the religous.... stories that are far fetched themselves).

But as one learns more about what the LOA is and digs deeper, they find more reason in the idea. More Logic. More sense.

You see LOA is like a magnetic force (which we know exists(check your refridgerator door)).
And it responds to us. Because even science shows us that we are actually just balls of organized energy, and that energy is at a very specific vibration. Unique for every person.

This vibration is what the LOA responds to. Then we realize everything in our life is 100% because of us. Our own personal decisions. How we feel, what we think, what we believe.

And there is no disputing magnetism. There won't be one time your magnet doesn't stick to your refridgerator, or one time it does stick to a piece of plastic.

So, remember this... You ARE Creator!

You are not even capable of anything else! (and yes, destruction is still creation because creation means to make new)

One more thing, as Creator you can Be/Do/Have anything you want.

Now, if you can stay on board..... what would you like to create?

What life do you want? What experience do you desire?

Spend much time on this daily, that's my advice. Deciding what you want, believing you can have it, and allowing the idea of "it" expand in your vision will bring you more and more joy.
Pay attention to how you feel.
Do you believe it is "On" the way or "In" the way? Do what feels best and always be ON your way to your dreams.

Oh, by the way, everything that happens has value. Look for the value.

Be well,

Dr. Matt Mullaney

[Mr Interesting]

Yes indeed Matt it does seem that evangelical Atheism is on the rise which I find not perplexing in the least as it is simply a belief like any other and as such requires it to be believed en mass by others as yet unconvinced of it's profundity to supplant the desire within it's adherents for support.

And as you say the internet as a treasure trove of facts and figures makes the support framework all the more worthy of supplication simply because the work required is lessened to a degree that anyone with a good memory for facts and figures can be included.

But to me it's far less about the atheism and far more about the grouping mechanism under the banner of a shared belief. Why this might be so and why such numbers might require such a bulwark to stand before is what interests me though only so much that it's vaguely interesting and not at all as a composite structure against which to advance my own belief system.

[Lorelyen]

Hey Hey!

I was reading some statistics the other day and it showed me that the fastest growing "religion" is not what you would probably think.

It is "Atheism." I suppose that isn't even a religion really. And that it isn't really a religion is what really says something!



Not so sure about that. From a philosophical view, it takes as much a stretch of belief that there is no-God and nothing created the universe (as we perceive it) and that oblivion follows death, as it does to subscribe to one of the packaged religions or Gnosticism (which is less of a package because its content depends on the individual).


And there is no disputing magnetism. There won't be one time your magnet doesn't stick to your refridgerator, or one time it does stick to a piece of plastic.
Nice to be able to draw analogy from physics but dodgy trying to project conclusions based on the analogy. It takes no account of conduction. The magnet will stick to the fridge when in very, very close proximity to the fridge, unless it's a very strong magnet whereupon the fridge might be drawn to the magnet. So a medium or channel is involved. Free air(?) plus human, mechanical or electronic intent. How do these fit with your analogy? You may say "human intent". But the human lets the magnet go when stuck to the desired object.

And of course, what happens when you try to stick it to something you think is ferrous but isn't? This would seem pertinent trying to analogise the Law of Attraction if considering that the human is the magnet hoping to attract. And it will attract because of the lack of something in the attracted entity.

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[Rah nam]

This sounds very positive
At least, more likely then not, those we would call atheists, think and question. In comparison to those who attach themselves to a religion, or where attached to one.

[Lorelyen]

This sounds very positive
At least, more likely then not, those we would call atheists, think and question. In comparison to those who attach themselves to a religion, or where attached to one.

Most important - questioning before you subscribe.

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[knightofalbion]

Fastest growing religion? Truth.

[sunsoul]

The statistics would be more relevant if produced for a specific area.. The fastest growing religion in Europe is Buddhism, and the fastest growing religion in South America is a certain type of Protestantism as I recall.. In Korea, evangelicalism is the fastest growing form of religion.

Often, people use the term Humanism now instead of Atheism. As a philosophy of life this is taught on the school curriculum in the UK, along with other major world faiths.

[Jyotir]

Fastest growing religion? Truth.



That is (imo) the best description, knightofalbion.

Everything else, all paths and religions including Atheism are really subsets of it.


~ J

[Baile]

And frankly, traditional "Religion" is not what they are finding they agree with.Hello Dr. Matt Mullaney. That's because religion has very little to offer the modern spiritual individual. The world's religions were created in a different age, and that age is now passing. Religion served a purpose at one time but no longer does, we're spiritually older and wiser now. We've moved on in our soul development and understanding.

Atheism is just another form of religion and it too will fade. Anyone who is spiritually awakened to any degree has connected with the reality of spirit, and understands spirit to be the foundation of all things. Of course recognizing spirit reality is different than claiming that "God" exists, and there I can support the foundational premise of atheism.

[Miss Hepburn]

The statistics would be more relevant if produced for a specific area.. The fastest growing religion in Europe is Buddhism, and the fastest growing religion in South America is a certain type of Protestantism as I recall.. In Korea, evangelicalism is the fastest growing form of religion.

Often, people use the term Humanism now instead of Atheism. As a philosophy of life this is taught on the school curriculum in the UK, along with other major world faiths. Interesting, sunsoul, didn't know that...I suspected that about Korea, tho.
I have never met such ferocious believers than Koreans, whoa.

Atheism fastest growing? I would think that is so. The misinterpretations in
the Bible , mainly representing the Supreme Being as a murderous, jealous, angry brat embarrasses me! No wonder.
My ex-Catholic friends look at me
as if I'm nuts that I love 'this God'. 2015 they still think 'He' is to be terrified. Gee.

It is a wonderful thing when a person realizes happiness
draws more to be happy about!
Fear or sadness draws more of that ...sets up situations to fulfill those beliefs.

I happen to 100% believe that my Father adores me, apple of His eye...
and I adore 'Him' or, if one prefers, the Holy Spirit, acknowledge Him in all my ways, rely on Him like
a child holding His finger walking thru this life...
And, thus, I am handed gifts that many would think I make up.
I don't blame them...
Hahahaha, one small story, lol still :tongue:....the time I had a friend print out fake (enlarged slightly) $20 and $100 bills on one side...
to use a bookmarks and on my 'Vision Board, etc....
Next day, only because they were in my conscious or subconsciousness, (note, not down the block,
not at the park)...stuck in a bush on MY property of all places...was a $20 bill. :alien:
(I gave it immediately to a very dirty 'under the bridge' person walking from the store down the street...he cried.)

So what happens, my other belief system kicks in and on the way back with my dog....I find 2 MORE!....
Then a $100 bill...then more $20s;
right there at my house and blown across the street.

This is just ONE of my many stories! :D

Yes, what you truly believe happens or manifests...just as easily as needing a saftey pin on a hike and
knowing you will find one and there it IS.

The Universe, as is said, doesn't know the difference between a button and a castle :hug3:...
I tell ya...nothing is impossible.

And, hi Dr. Matt. :hello:

[knightofalbion]

That is (imo) the best description, knightofalbion.

Everything else, all paths and religions including Atheism are really subsets of it.


~ J

That's another thing we have to thank the internet for. Exposure to different viewpoints and alternative knowledge.

Those 'sacred cows' lose their sheen in the glare of the spotlight.

There is a higher truth - and a higher truth still beyond that.
And we must never stop reaching up, seeking, striving ...

[Miss Hepburn]

There is a higher truth - and a higher truth still beyond that.
Oooo, that was gooood...:glasses9:

[Ivy]

The internet offers different information and a lot of it, and this shows in the stream of beliefs that have been sourced on you-tube, websites and forums.

As books of written wisdom, such as the bible, have shown - wisdom and awareness doesn't come from reading and gathering information. It is something that is within us. It is felt sitting under a tree or walking along a river, in our dreams, in meditation and within the experiences that life brings us. All of this was available long before the internet and is available still.

[Mr Interesting]

When I was still quite young and mostly interested in hedonism I always kept quite a bit of room for philosophically coming to terms with the world and as a result of aspects of my upbringing held equal regard for Communist, Capitalist and Religionist ideas. I always felt all three should work together as they all had roles to play even to the extent the ideas favoured by Buddhism didn't really seem that different from Communism which also seemed similar to some early Protestant ideas.

Then later on I found a German Author who explained that Marx's ideas were that Socialism would set the way for Communism which would then lead to Humanism and that's kinda what I'd always hoped for it.

Even Capitalism, though somewhat over indulgent these days, allows for a kind of individualism which keeps ideas turning over and is very good for expressive tendencies to be embraced.

So I've always wondered about this tendency of humanity to advocate one system over another when it's always been for me that they all have merits.

Even Mr Matt is quite evangelistic about the Law of Attraction and uses the evangelism of Atheism as a counter. This, I think, is where our problems lie. Not so much in the 'isms' themselves but in the counterproductive need to only have anything work when it has something to work against.

[Ivy]

Nicely explained Mr I.

[MIND POWER]

Atheism fastest growing? I would think that is so. The misinterpretations in
the Bible , mainly representing the Supreme Being as a murderous, jealous, angry brat embarrasses me! No wonder.


That's because i doubt you love the God, portrayed within the bible. You have in my opinion created a alternative God, actions speak louder than words and the God of the bible is murderous, jealous, egotistical, brutal and morbid deep down everybody know's this but ether they are afraid or stupid to admit this. I genuinely don't believe you condone, that type of God Miss Hepburn not for one second.

I think religion as a whole is on its way out, its a business that's on its last legs.

[Ivy]

That's because i doubt you love the God, portrayed within the bible. You have in my opinion created a alternative God, actions speak louder than words and the God of the bible is murderous, jealous, egotistical, brutal and morbid deep down everybody know's this but ether they are afraid or stupid to admit this. I genuinely don't believe you condone, that type of God Miss Hepburn not for one second.

I think religion as a whole is on its way out, its a business that's on its last legs.

Question is then... what will it be replaced with?

[MIND POWER]

Question is then... what will it be replaced with?

You and me, and everybody else here! back on top....

And a universal way of looking and learning about the universe, which in essence is spirituality/metaphysics that's all it is. We are the fallen, i have told you this before and its documented in all of the ancient cultures and even religions.

The universe is bigger than just earth Ivy, now don't get me wrong....there are truths in religions, but in life sometimes the truths can be bent and twisted to hold people back. People are already branching out, why are their Christians and people who claim to be of this religion and that here on this site..? some of the metaphysical concepts spoken about here would of gotten people killed many years ago in religious circles! if they started coming forward with certain beliefs.

Deep down people know what's good for them, it's up to them to embrace it.

[knightofalbion]

Question is then... what will it be replaced with?

Truth .....

[Ivy]

You and me, and everybody else here! back on top....

And a universal way of looking and learning about the universe, which in essence is spirituality/metaphysics that's all it is. We are the fallen, i have told you this before and its documented in all of the ancient cultures and even religions.

The universe is bigger than just earth Ivy, now don't get me wrong....there are truths in religions, but in life sometimes the truths can be bent and twisted to hold people back. People are already branching out, why are their Christians and people who claim to be of this religion and that here on this site..? some of the metaphysical concepts spoken about here would of gotten people killed many years ago in religious circles! if they started coming forward with certain beliefs.

Deep down people know what's good for them, it's up to them to embrace it.

It's interesting that you looked to religious wisdom to explain your own beliefs. You say "there are truths in religions, but in life sometimes the truths can be bent and twisted to hold people back", which I agree with.

But what are you offering, other than a few new and a few old ideas, bundled together and labelled "Truth", bolded for effect.

Like you suggested yourself, there is already truth in religions, it is how those truths have been used (or interpreted?) that hold people back. Offering new truths isn't necessarily a solution, as people will take these new truths and use them in the same way as the old truth. The New Testament was the new truth to the Old Testament - the merciless God of old was replaced by the forgiving God of the new... and Jesus too had pointed out in no uncertain terms, that the old religion was ruled by men in power. So the 'truth' was changed, but man was not.

My point being, that it isn't the truth that requires change to change the world, it is man. And that begins inside each one of us individuality. Don't tell me the new truth that you believe (and have told me before - as religions before have told people), show me the newness in man.

[Visitor]

Hey Hey!

I was reading some statistics the other day and it showed me that the fastest growing "religion" is not what you would probably think.

It is "Atheism." I suppose that isn't even a religion really. And that it isn't really a religion is what really says something!

Why do you think that is?
Hello Create Your Desires.
If what you say is true, then egomania is on the rise.
Atheism is the 'disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods'. as quoted from an online dictionary.
In my opinion, this belief points to the resentment of any power higher than self. The epitome of egomania.
This may sound harsh to the atheist's ego, but that is the nature of the ego.
Sorry. :icon_frown:

[Smile it's just me]

When I was young, my mother had us learn about and even study with a lot of different faiths. She wanted us to respect all faiths by learning to understand the whats and whys of how they lived and believed.

BUT...When it came to our own faith, I was really confused! I looked at church as a place where I had to get dressed up in uncomfortable dresses to go to, just to get elbowed by my mother...you see...It was all in Latin, and every time I asked what was being said, she would elbow me and say, Shush! We are in church! I eventually stopped asking her, because I didn't think that even SHE understood what was being said.

Now one might think, that would turn me away from our faith and that I would be drawn into one of the others that I had be learning about. Yet, it did just the opposite! It made me hungry for our Lord. Now I am a Catechism teacher and teach the way I wanted to learn, covering things that I always questioned and I have students that are of different faiths in my class...all my students respect one another and discuss openly the similarities and differences in our beliefs.

Everyone has reasons for the whats and whys of their own beliefs, And IMO, nobody has a right to deny them of doing so.

As for me...I believe in God! As for other religions/beliefs, well all I know is that I will not underestimate my Father. And I believe that HE knows that be it cultural, mental, physical...etc., etc., etc., reasons...everyone learns in different ways, so maybe our Creator of all that is and every shall be, somehow utilizes each of these religions/beliefs, including my own...for an ultimate higher purpose. And it is with that belief, that I am thankful and respect other's beliefs.

I might have been an atheist in a past life for all I know...and the people that are atheists now...well...it's just their turn to learn about it....so basically my opinion is...LOVE, Love it all...life would be boring if we all were the same.

Blessings, Smile

[Native spirit]

:smile: The religeon of yesterday is fast disappearing the communities are the same years ago people followed either the christian way or the roman catholic ways,but since immmigration all other faiths came in,spirituality is the fastest growing religeon here,people are looking for something different something that gives them hope. you will always have atheists who believe in no religeon,
years ago i would have been burnt at the stake for being a medium because it was seen as witchcraft. now it is a religeon in its own right,

Namaste

[MIND POWER]

It's interesting that you looked to religious wisdom to explain your own beliefs. You say "there are truths in religions, but in life sometimes the truths can be bent and twisted to hold people back", which I agree with.

But what are you offering, other than a few new and a few old ideas, bundled together and labelled "Truth", bolded for effect.

Like you suggested yourself, there is already truth in religions, it is how those truths have been used (or interpreted?) that hold people back. Offering new truths isn't necessarily a solution, as people will take these new truths and use them in the same way as the old truth. The New Testament was the new truth to the Old Testament - the merciless God of old was replaced by the forgiving God of the new... and Jesus too had pointed out in no uncertain terms, that the old religion was ruled by men in power. So the 'truth' was changed, but man was not.

My point being, that it isn't the truth that requires change to change the world, it is man. And that begins inside each one of us individuality. Don't tell me the new truth that you believe (and have told me before - as religions before have told people), show me the newness in man.

There is truth in religions, as to we are the fallen Ivy. We are the fallen, every single ancient culture states this we are in a fallen state, and we have been manipulated in this state via many mechanism's including religion. A easy way to manipulate somebody is to give them some truth, and then give them something else and invert information. This is psychological and spiritual ware fare Ivy (That's what religion does). Religion as a whole is a business on its last legs, but like any good business new marketing strategies have been used throughout time. Some people call this in religious circles reforms, and some religions are better at this than others. Don't be so naive Ivy, mankind's awareness has been growing throughout time and religion as a business has had to keep reforming to accommodate. They had to keep making the box they keep people in psychologically and spiritually bigger and bigger........and i believe we are approaching some sort of tipping point.

Why on earth are human beings with so much potential, bending down on their knee's to afew people/elite in power..? if they are told to jump, they ask how high..? told you to kill, they ask how many.? that's some history for you, that's religion, its has been good at what it does. I believe we are in a fallen state, and we have forgotten who we are.....

Ivy why does religion have to be replaced with something...? Come on Ivy, the world is bigger than just earth. I have just stated that spirituality/metaphysics will replace spiritually, which is not really a religion its just opening our minds and learning about ourselves and the universe. All religions have really done is take bits and bobs of spiritual information, twisted it and package it to make a impression upon different people.

We have forgotten who we are in this fallen state, but slowly but surely we are starting to remember! but it will be battle.

Relax, enjoy yourself.....it's a great time to be alive.

[Ivy]

There is truth in religions, as to we are the fallen Ivy. We are the fallen, every single ancient culture states this we are in a fallen state, and we have been manipulated in this state via many mechanism's including religion. A easy way to manipulate somebody is to give them some truth, and then give them something else and invert information. This is psychological and spiritual ware fare Ivy (That's what religion does). Religion as a whole is a business on its last legs, but like any good business new marketing strategies have been used throughout time. Some people call this in religious circles reforms, and some religions are better at this than others. Don't be so naive Ivy, mankind's awareness has been growing throughout time and religion as a business has had to keep reforming to accommodate. They had to keep making the box they keep people in psychologically and spiritually bigger and bigger........and i believe we are approaching some sort of tipping point.

Why on earth are human beings with so much potential, bending down on their knee's to afew people/elite in power..? if they are told to jump, they ask how high..? told you to kill, they ask how many.? that's some history for you, that's religion, its has been good at what it does. I believe we are in a fallen state, and we have forgotten who we are.....

Ivy why does religion have to be replaced with something...? Come on Ivy, the world is bigger than just earth. I have just stated that spirituality/metaphysics will replace spiritually, which is not really a religion its just opening our minds and learning about ourselves and the universe. All religions have really done is take bits and bobs of spiritual information, twisted it and package it to make a impression upon different people.

We have forgotten who we are in this fallen state, but slowly but surely we are starting to remember! but it will be battle.

Relax, enjoy yourself.....it's a great time to be alive.

Ivy why does religion have to be replaced with something...? Come on Ivy, the world is bigger than just earth. I have just stated that spirituality/metaphysics will replace spiritually

It feels rather like you are talking to someone else because it's not me that has suggested replacing religion with something, that was (and is) you. What I see, is that you are using certain techniques to persuade me that 'we are fallen,' and are imprisoned (why not fallen as seeds?).

I'm probably more experienced than most in seeing first hand how 'spirituality' can be used to manipulate in the same way as religions have. So no, I'm not naïve.

I look at the techniques being used and see just how similar men remain when putting over their own truths.

[MIND POWER]

Ivy why does religion have to be replaced with something...? Come on Ivy, the world is bigger than just earth. I have just stated that spirituality/metaphysics will replace spiritually

It feels rather like you are talking to someone else because it's not me that has suggested replacing religion with something, that was (and is) you. What I see, is that you are using certain techniques to persuade me that 'we are fallen,' and are imprisoned (why not fallen as seeds?).

I'm probably more experienced than most in seeing first hand how 'spirituality' can be used to manipulate in the same way as religions have. So no, I'm not naïve.

I look at the techniques being used and see just how similar men remain when putting over their own truths.

Those that embrace spirituality and follow some master or guru (Religiously), of course they can be manipulated because people have intentions maybe. But i am not coming at it from that perspective, nobody is my master and you should not have a master ether.

Are you comfortable with that Ivy..? well you should be. Because essentially in my opinion spirituality/metaphysics i think needs you to be a leader for yourself, but with dignity for yourself and respect for others!

You know yourself better than anybody.

[Ivy]

Those that embrace spirituality and follow some master or guru (Religiously), of course they can be manipulated because people have intentions maybe. But i am not coming at it from that perspective, nobody is my master and you should not have a master ether.

Are you comfortable with that Ivy..? well you should be. Because essentially in my opinion spirituality/metaphysics i think needs you to be a leader for yourself, but with dignity for yourself and respect for others!

You know yourself better than anybody.

I know that. But then why are you telling me what to believe (fallen) and what I should be?

Do you see My point?

[Miss Hepburn]

I think religion as a whole is on its way out, its a business
that's on its last legs. Well, said...yes...:nodding:

:smile:

Btw, you say 'fallen'...I say 'separated'.

[MIND POWER]

I know that. But then why are you telling me what to believe (fallen) and what I should be?

Do you see My point?

You know yourself better than me, so be whatever you want! why are you asking me..? be your own master. I was just stating that from my belief, we are in a fallen state, and i have come to that decision through research and my own intuition. I am just telling you, what i believe about religion and where it's going from my perspective (It's on its last legs as a business). You may see things differently, from your perspective and fair play.

Be your own master, and enjoy yourself.

[MIND POWER]

Well, said...yes...:nodding:

:smile:

Btw, you say 'fallen'...I say 'separated'.

Very nice Miss Hepburn, how are you feeling today..?

[Ivy]

You know yourself better than me, so be whatever you want! why are you asking me..? be your own master. I was just stating that from my belief, we are in a fallen state, and i have come to that decision through research and my own intuition. I am just telling you, what i believe about religion and where it's going from my perspective (It's on its last legs as a business). You may see things differently, from your perspective and fair play.

Be your own master, and enjoy yourself.

It's something I've looked at a lot, religion and how anti-religion often bears the traits of religion. However, unlike established religion that has lost much of its power and chugs along no longer trying to preach to anyone but the converted, when ideas are dressed up as new, dawning a new age, enlightened, what is and what is coming, then they gather a renewed following, a renewed passion, an air of revolution that gathers up sheep.

The key words for modern self styled guru's is to tell their audience - "I do not ask you to follow me, but to find knowing within yourself, as I have done before you" Or... to the audience that has paid to come and hear them... "there is no need to seek... there is no way to enlightenment... it is within you," and the audience chuckles and nods and says, "wow, that's the real truth," before dipping into their pockets for the next fix of taching or going home and looking to the next you-tube guru to follow.

I agree with you regarding religion, but despite being involved with a deep love for life lived with spirit in focus, I see the religious conditioning playing out and am wary of believing the hype. 2000 years ago, with no internet, Jesus and his disciples began a new age... but it became the very thing it had stood up against. Those are lessons to be learned and this is why, when you say that the old ways are dying, I ask what you will replace it with... and annoying as it might be, it's why I question beliefs in a new age.

I think I have come too far to know how to not stand by myself, but I like to know if the new leaders of the way will kill me as a heretic or let me live.

[MIND POWER]

It's something I've looked at a lot, religion and how anti-religion often bears the traits of religion. However, unlike established religion that has lost much of its power and chugs along no longer trying to preach to anyone but the converted, when ideas are dressed up as new, dawning a new age, enlightened, what is and what is coming, then they gather a renewed following, a renewed passion, an air of revolution that gathers up sheep.

The key words for modern self styled guru's is to tell their audience - "I do not ask you to follow me, but to find knowing within yourself, as I have done before you" Or... to the audience that has paid to come and hear them... "there is no need to seek... there is no way to enlightenment... it is within you," and the audience chuckles and nods and says, "wow, that's the real truth," before dipping into their pockets for the next fix of taching or going home and looking to the next you-tube guru to follow.

I agree with you regarding religion, but despite being involved with a deep love for life lived with spirit in focus, I see the religious conditioning playing out and am wary of believing the hype. 2000 years ago, with no internet, Jesus and his disciples began a new age... but it became the very thing it had stood up against. Those are lessons to be learned and this is why, when you say that the old ways are dying, I ask what you will replace it with... and annoying as it might be, it's why I question beliefs in a new age.

I think I have come too far to know how to not stand by myself, but I like to know if the new leaders of the way will kill me as a heretic or let me live.

I just stated what it will be replaced with, but I sense that you want something strict/linear and some leader to bow down to..? If you keep upholding this attitude, and giving away your power as such, somebody will always take advantage of you! I have never been to guru in my life, and i definitely wouldn't pay one! Why would i.....when the streets we walk in, the people we talk to (Like right now), the experiences we go through and the research we do is...(The Ultimate lecture, life is the ultimate lecture!).....

Why do you need a leader..? Empathy should be the safe fail mechanism of mankind, and the Laws of Karma the only leader you will ever need! to look out into the world/universe and learn about things metaphysically with a open mind. And these are essentially the things that spirituality promotes....

Some people may need a teacher and a guide here and there, but a leader..? nah, you know yourself better than anybody Ivy, so in fact if you need a leader i can't actually tell you otherwise!

The old ways are dying but they are putting up a fight, new marketing strategies within religion and a more intense kind of brainwash/confusion indoctrination within the education system. Which i am very concerned about, especially with the Youth.....

But none or the less, these are redefining times. And i agree we can learn allot from the past, instead of trying to recreate it again.

You will be ok.

[Ivy]

:smile: Mind power, I think you have misread my post. I've said quite the opposite. I'm not being rude, but do you want to give it another go :smile:

[Create Your Desires]

Atheism is not that there is NO God...

It's that God is not some seperate entity.

God is everything. God is what makes everything, creates everything, you are God, your pet is God, the air is God, Earth is God

Get the point???

Be well,
Dr. Matt Mullaney

[Create Your Desires]

I am not nor ever will be affiliated with anything resembled as "Religion."

Once you define something in such a way, it puts it in a Box.

There is no box here.

You can be/do/have anything. You are Part of G.O.D. (Grand Organized Design)
Everything is connected.

You are the creator of your life. 100% personal responsibility.

There is nothing you must do to appease anyone other then yourself.

We will all go exactly where we came from before we chose to enter this human experience. To Love, unconditionally eternally.

Be well,
Dr. Matt Mullaney

[Create Your Desires]

Interesting, sunsoul, didn't know that...I suspected that about Korea, tho.
I have never met such ferocious believers than Koreans, whoa.

Atheism fastest growing? I would think that is so. The misinterpretations in
the Bible , mainly representing the Supreme Being as a murderous, jealous, angry brat embarrasses me! No wonder.
My ex-Catholic friends look at me
as if I'm nuts that I love 'this God'. 2015 they still think 'He' is to be terrified. Gee.

It is a wonderful thing when a person realizes happiness
draws more to be happy about!
Fear or sadness draws more of that ...sets up situations to fulfill those beliefs.

I happen to 100% believe that my Father adores me, apple of His eye...
and I adore 'Him' or, if one prefers, the Holy Spirit, acknowledge Him in all my ways, rely on Him like
a child holding His finger walking thru this life...
And, thus, I am handed gifts that many would think I make up.
I don't blame them...
Hahahaha, one small story, lol still :tongue:....the time I had a friend print out fake (enlarged slightly) $20 and $100 bills on one side...
to use a bookmarks and on my 'Vision Board, etc....
Next day, only because they were in my conscious or subconsciousness, (note, not down the block,
not at the park)...stuck in a bush on MY property of all places...was a $20 bill. :alien:
(I gave it immediately to a very dirty 'under the bridge' person walking from the store down the street...he cried.)

So what happens, my other belief system kicks in and on the way back with my dog....I find 2 MORE!....
Then a $100 bill...then more $20s;
right there at my house and blown across the street.

This is just ONE of my many stories! :D

Yes, what you truly believe happens or manifests...just as easily as needing a saftey pin on a hike and
knowing you will find one and there it IS.

The Universe, as is said, doesn't know the difference between a button and a castle :hug3:...
I tell ya...nothing is impossible.

And, hi Dr. Matt. :hello:


Hello Miss Hepburn.

Thank you so much for the $20 $100 story.
That is perfect. Excellent example, absolutely excellent.

We all have many stories like that, but it seems we allow ourselves to forget them. Your story charged me! Thank u

[MIND POWER]

:smile: Mind power, I think you have misread my post. I've said quite the opposite. I'm not being rude, but do you want to give it another go :smile:

No Ivy.

That's how i perceived your post at the time. I don't really think you stated the exact opposite totally, but that's alright....

I think most things have been said here anyway, we are in a redefining time and there is allot of hustling and bustling going on.

Allot of deception to..

[Ivy]

No Ivy.

That's how i perceived your post at the time. I don't really think you stated the exact opposite totally, but that's alright....

I think most things have been said here anyway, we are in a redefining time and there is allot of hustling and bustling going on.

Allot of deception to..

I was worried that you'd take it like that - but I genuinely did say the opposite...

I think I have come too far to know how to not stand by myself, but I like to know if the new leaders of the way will kill me as a heretic or let me live.


It says that I feel I can't not stand by myself. It's a double negative I admit - but it is definitely saying that I stand myself.

So I wasn't being rude, or pernickety - it genuinely is the complete opposite to wanting some leader to bow down to.

you want something strict/linear and some leader to bow down to

Mistakes do happen in the reading sometimes.

[MIND POWER]

I was worried that you'd take it like that - but I genuinely did say the opposite...



It says that I feel I can't not stand by myself. It's a double negative I admit - but it is definitely saying that I stand myself.

So I wasn't being rude, or pernickety - it genuinely is the complete opposite to wanting some leader to bow down to.



Mistakes do happen in the reading sometimes.

You are quite articulate, if you really wanted to.....you could of stated the exact opposite allot more clearer! Like...(I don't need a leader, i am my own boss 24/7/365)...or maybe something more poetic and eloquent.

But you did not, because i believe that you was not quite stating the exact opposite! that's just how i feel.

I know that (I stated the exact opposite), but i am not sure whether you did Ivy.........I may have been abit strong with the last part of my post, but i just don't think you stated the opposite.

You left allot open to speculation, you was maybe somewhere in the middle ether edging to one side......

So i took a bite.

[Shekinah]

I would think that the Pagan persuasion is the fastest evolving mode of thought. A grand loop back to the beginnings of the human quest for communion with the great mysteries of Spirit. Religions are side diversions eventually to be abandoned by those who ponder truth.

[sunsoul]

Atheism is not that there is NO God...

It's that God is not some seperate entity.

God is everything. God is what makes everything, creates everything, you are God, your pet is God, the air is God, Earth is God

Get the point???

Be well,
Dr. Matt Mullaney

Atheism is that there is no God, no belief in a divine God, period.

Agnosticism would just hold a position of not knowing..

Whether God is separate from us or not is of no interest to an atheist.

Of course, your own perspective may hold certain views on the nature of God which is a different matter.

[Ivy]

You are quite articulate, if you really wanted to.....you could of stated the exact opposite allot more clearer! Like...(I don't need a leader, i am my own boss 24/7/365)...or maybe something more poetic and eloquent.

But you did not, because i believe that you was not quite stating the exact opposite! that's just how i feel.

I know that (I stated the exact opposite), but i am not sure whether you did Ivy.........I may have been abit strong with the last part of my post, but i just don't think you stated the opposite.

You left allot open to speculation, you was maybe somewhere in the middle ether edging to one side......

So i took a bite.

I can be articulate, but also don't spend much time thinking about how I write threads. I'm also human and am not always as clear in writing as I am in my view.

But whatever you perceived, whether it was through poor wording on my part or not, has now been corrected. There's no point in you arguing about whether I want a leader to bow down to or not, because by nature I really am the authority on my own 'wants'.

So whilst I do apologise for not being clearer in the first place, I am correcting that by making myself clear now. The original perception you made, isn't one worth hanging onto is alls I'm saying.

[Create Your Desires]

Atheism is that there is no God, no belief in a divine God, period.

Agnosticism would just hold a position of not knowing..

Whether God is separate from us or not is of no interest to an atheist.

Of course, your own perspective may hold certain views on the nature of God which is a different matter.

Thanks Sunsoul.
I did get those 2 mixed up. I am certainly not a religious expert. :hug3:

[MIND POWER]

I can be articulate, but also don't spend much time thinking about how I write threads. I'm also human and am not always as clear in writing as I am in my view.

But whatever you perceived, whether it was through poor wording on my part or not, has now been corrected. There's no point in you arguing about whether I want a leader to bow down to or not, because by nature I really am the authority on my own 'wants'.

So whilst I do apologise for not being clearer in the first place, I am correcting that by making myself clear now. The original perception you made, isn't one worth hanging onto is alls I'm saying.

I am not hanging onto it, and i am not arguing. I was just explaining the situation, you could of made yourself abundantly clear. You didn't make yourself clear, so i took a bite......#fun

Now you have made yourself clear to me, so i understand now.

Its good, carry on speaking.

[Lucyan28]

Just an example:

An atheist might be more developed spiritually than a religious person.

An atheist might have a purest heart than a religious person.

[Shekinah]

I agree that an atheist might well be far more spiritual then a professed religious person.