Do you still have a normal job?

[FollowBack]

Job is very important to me. I like to be passionate about the things what I am doing. We spend 8-9 hours in a day at work and if it doesn't give us any satisfaction, how long we can do that?
Money is definitely a factor. We all need money for survival.

Do you have a normal job from 8 am to 5 pm ?

Do all spiritually awakened people should change their jobs? LOL Excuse me, for this silly question.
What do you think?

[Dwerg]

When it comes to big decisions I tend to multi-factor. My job initially interested me, pays well, continues to interest me and offers near limitless potential for learning, growth and development. Only downside is having to watch out so some of my colleagues negativity doesn't rub off on me, that's happened before and pretty much ruined my motivation for a while.

[FollowBack]

I am glad. About negativity. Yeah, it can be draining. I feel like I can't work with people anymore. I feel a loss of energy every day when I go home from work. I think its because I am sensitive, but we as awakened beings, all are, right?

How to protect myself from others negativity?

Thanks

[BlueSky]

I have a career job in engineering as a designer. As much as I like it, spiritually it taught me most when I was bored with it... Lol
Feeling boredom as opposed to resisting it is a powerful lesson.

[kkfern]

normal? what is normal? yes i have a normal job. i am a cashier at walmart.hahahah. i only work part time as i am retired and can do pretty much what i like now. it is great. i use my spiritual gifts on customers as they come in my line. it is interesting the how many people come in and start a conversation with me.

kk

[Perfect Storm]

I worked part time admin for my government, though left due to health and mental issues.

Something was attacking me with anxiety, and physical pain daily just for going. I think now it was a way of expressing this wasnt in keeping with what was best for me spiritual and it progressed until in the end I had to give in and quit.

I havent worked since. Just feels wrong in a way i dont understand just yet. I am sure when its time the best course of action for me will be understood.

[Clover]

There are all sorts of people with all types of educational backgrounds on THIS forum. Professors, teachers, cashiers, stock room,business executives, office personnel, stay at home moms and bored college students. I have seen them all in here and talk to them occasionally. :smile:

What I have found, is that we are all more alike than we are different, especially when it comes to spirituality.

[Lucyan28]

Job is very important to me. I like to be passionate about the things what I am doing. We spend 8-9 hours in a day at work and if it doesn't give us any satisfaction, how long we can do that?
Money is definitely a factor. We all need money for survival.

Do you have a normal job from 8 am to 5 pm ?

Do all spiritually awakened people should change their jobs? LOL Excuse me, for this silly question.
What do you think?

The wonder of life is to enjoy every moment.

All the jobs are great, because life is spiritual and magical as it is.

So I believe there are neither "normal jobs" nor "spiritual jobs".

[The Back Seat]

I am a mechanical engineer in the construction industry. This can be a very stressful field. I used to get overly stressed with it and then I found meditation. Now, the 8-9 hour days are a breeze. There is no such thing as boredom and overly stressed (as long as I remember to keep centered)

[athribiristan]

I'm a contractor. I have tried going back to work for other people but I always get tired of it quickly. So I decided to be my own boss.

[Ivy]

I'm trained in holistic therapies and at times I have wanted to work in this field. However, intuition always led me away from that as a paid career.

More recently, I've realised that as a career, being a therapist would be the self-indulgent choice. Yes I would be creating deep relaxation and healing for those that paid me for that, and I would be within those gentle, loving energies all day myself, I would enjoy that.

But at a much deeper and subtle level, those energies within me are within everything that I do, including my 'normal' job - I work with young people with special needs.

[linen53]

There are all sorts of people with all types of educational backgrounds on THIS forum. Professors, teachers, cashiers, stock room,business executives, office personnel, stay at home moms and bored college students. I have seen them all in here and talk to them occasionally. :smile:

What I have found, is that we are all more alike than we are different, especially when it comes to spirituality.

Blue, you are so right! No matter what our field of work (or not), we are so alike spiritually.

Forgot to add: I'm retired. My hobbies are my hubby, my dogs and my ducks. I intend to do a small vegetable garden this summer and I cultivate all kinds of fruits on our property.

[Molearner]

normal? what is normal? yes i have a normal job. i am a cashier at walmart.hahahah. i only work part time as i am retired and can do pretty much what i like now. it is great. i use my spiritual gifts on customers as they come in my line. it is interesting the how many people come in and start a conversation with me.

kk

kkfern,

That brings back an amusing memory for me. Some time ago I was the caretaker for a disabled man who enjoyed his vices. I went to Wal-Mart to get his monthly supply....a bottle of vodka, a bottle of whisky, 2 bottles of vermouth and tins of chewing tobacco.......and cigarettes for myself. The well-meaning cashier said....."You know that is not good for you". I smiled and thanked her and said..."Don't worry.....this should last for a whole week".........:)

[Lucyan28]

kkfern,

That brings back an amusing memory for me. Some time ago I was the caretaker for a disabled man who enjoyed his vices. I went to Wal-Mart to get his monthly supply....a bottle of vodka, a bottle of whisky, 2 bottles of vermouth and tins of chewing tobacco.......and cigarettes for myself. The well-meaning cashier said....."You know that is not good for you". I smiled and thanked her and said..."Don't worry.....this should last for a whole week".........:)

Molearner, Oh my god! All of that in a single week ? :icon_eek: didn't you mean a month? :tongue:

[Molearner]

Molearner, Oh my god! All of that in a single week ? :icon_eek: didn't you mean a month? :tongue:

That was the joke.......I knew it would last for a month or longer....but I wanted the girl to think it would last for a week.....I suppose to encourage her to judge me more harshly.....:) It was to bring to her attention that she was judging and I knew she would be familiar with the commandment..."Judge not, lest ye be judged".......Essentially it was for a test of her faith.

[Lucyan28]

That was the joke.......I knew it would last for a month or longer....but I wanted the girl to think it would last for a week.....I suppose to encourage her to judge me more harshly.....:) It was to bring to her attention that she was judging and I knew she would be familiar with the commandment..."Judge not, lest ye be judged".......Essentially it was for a test of her faith.

OK got it, it was a good joke then :tongue:

I would loved to see the face of the cashier when you told her the joke :D

[ocean breeze]

i work part time as a bank teller. 4 days a week for about 4 to 5 hrs. i refuse to accept a full time job because i don't want to spend most of my waking moments doing something i don't want to do. i just work so i can get money to do the things i truly enjoy, fitness and traveling.



blessed are those who found a job they truly enjoy.

[skygazer]

I used to work with autistic children and youth in the school system. I loved my work and the young people but it got to that I could no longer tolerate the system. Leaving was very healing. Now I do contract work at the college level.

[Dwerg]

I am glad. About negativity. Yeah, it can be draining. I feel like I can't work with people anymore. I feel a loss of energy every day when I go home from work. I think its because I am sensitive, but we as awakened beings, all are, right?

How to protect myself from others negativity?

Thanks
See it for what it is and move on :wink:

[LadyMay]

Don't have one and never did. I've decided to go without that this incarnation.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Job is very important to me. I like to be passionate about the things what I am doing. We spend 8-9 hours in a day at work and if it doesn't give us any satisfaction, how long we can do that?
Money is definitely a factor. We all need money for survival.

Do you have a normal job from 8 am to 5 pm ?

Do all spiritually awakened people should change their jobs? LOL Excuse me, for this silly question.
What do you think?

You're excused. I'm a silly man, and I think that's a silly question . Work and jobs and surviving in the world is all extremely silly , and not necessarily there to give us personal satisfaction in their performance . There is no universal 'should' , except maybe that you should follow your Spirit , not what you think you should do because others are doing it .

But no, I'm not a 'normal' person , and I don't have a normal job .

[kkfern]

That was the joke.......I knew it would last for a month or longer....but I wanted the girl to think it would last for a week.....I suppose to encourage her to judge me more harshly.....:) It was to bring to her attention that she was judging and I knew she would be familiar with the commandment..."Judge not, lest ye be judged".......Essentially it was for a test of her faith.

i would have just laughed. she was probably making a joke too. it was a good joke. many time when people buy lots of pop, milk, gatoraid, tea, coffee, water. i quip that they are heavy drinkers and picked the heaviest things in the store. for me in my job it is not about teaching lessons. it is about lightening the day day for them. joy and lightheartedness is infectious.

may people will go home after work and complain about what happened. i make it a point to pick a customer of the day that was really great. when a customer is really good or sweet about something. i tell them they are the winners of the day. and they get so happy.

i am also not without my abilities at work. many times customers tell me things that they just need to vent about. the loss of a husband. an illness they are living with, many different things. some even ask when my break is because they want to talk more.

walmart is a good outlet for the kind of teaching i do. i see you work by admonishments. hinting that the should be less judgement. that is the way of many religions. i find my way works better. but we are all different.

kk

[LadyMay]

Work and jobs and surviving in the world is all extremely silly ,

It's SO hard to let go of the programming that makes us think they're necessary though. For me it's been a constant effort to let go. Finally felt I have got to that place now. My mother is not happy LOL but I feel so good now, not worrying about a thing. I don't have a day job, I have started my own business spiritually counselling people but I'm being advised by my guides to go slow. I'm not relying on that to gain money. My saved money runs out in two months, bills are going up and benefits are staying the same. We're in a tight spot but I'm not worrying. I have faith now.

A guy who inspired me a lot regarding this was George Muller. I was brought up with Christian schooling and had to read his books. He basically just lived his whole life through faith, waiting for money to come to him at the right time when he needed it. He never lived a very lavish life but he always had enough for himself, his family, and the orphanages he was running/building. And I think as long as you are doing something your heart desires like him and his orphanges or me and my counselling right now then there's no need to worry. Everything will sort itself out at the right time.

A day job shouldn't be a necessity. It should be a heart's desire. Problem is if everyone followed their heart's desire this society would collapse. It's too dependent on striving and gaining.

[kkfern]

A guy who inspired me a lot regarding this was George Muller. I was brought up with Christian schooling and had to read his books. He basically just lived his whole life through faith, waiting for money to come to him at the right time when he needed it. He never lived a very lavish life but he always had enough for himself, his family, and the orphanages he was running/building. And I think as long as you are doing something your heart desires like him and his orphanges or me and my counselling right now then there's no need to worry. Everything will sort itself out at the right time.



true true true. long ago while planning and working with my teachers, they said i would never have a want if i did the work. this is true. there has always been enough. not to much, my teachers tell me abundance is a waste. enough is kind of like peace. not needing to have more and being grateful for what you have.

for some, having a day job is their hearts desire. it is important for some to be a provider. to have a family and work to provide for them. that IS their calling. a calling worth respecting, it is their heart's desire. striving and gaining and providing for others, being willing to sacrifice and work to care for them is wonderful. not thinking of themself but thinking of others. well worth respect.

kk

[Ivy]

In my younger days I knew people who lived life using their inner beauty, innocence and charm to live without working - to live off other peoples love for them, generosity etc. But the effect of them using others this way was to tarnish the edges of that beauty.

I think when young, to put off working for our own survival is the chick not quite ready to leave the nest. But as we mature, finding food, warmth, shelter through our own walking is part of the journey on this earth.

[lemex]

Job is very important to me. I like to be passionate about the things what I am doing. We spend 8-9 hours in a day at work and if it doesn't give us any satisfaction, how long we can do that?
Money is definitely a factor. We all need money for survival.

Do you have a normal job from 8 am to 5 pm ?

Do all spiritually awakened people should change their jobs? LOL Excuse me, for this silly question.
What do you think?

There was a study some years back that asked if people enjoyed what they did. Would anyone care to guess the percentage of people polled who answered they didn't. I wonder if the figure has changed.

If you're thinking people aren't spiritual because they hold a regular job and have to give it up, I'd say no. In fact as one becomes more spiritual I'd say, the satisfaction of the last few years of my job changed in my mind when I did and for years I didn't like what I did. And you have to be realistic here. If you aren't getting a reasonable salary and benefits, then that is the issue. If there's something tangible that is real, then that applies. So should one look for a new job, well that's up to you.

I'd say prepare for the future at a secular level and prepare for the future at a spiritual level. Cause and effect will always apply in how well we prepare.

[Shaunc]

I don't have a particularly exciting or glamorous job. I build roof trusses in a factory. My whole life (since 15) I've worked in blue collar jobs and professionally I've always been towards the bottom end of the food chain.
But I've fed, housed, clothed & educated my wife and 4 kids. I know that on a spiritual level that hardly makes me the pope or the Dalai Lama but there is a certain amount of honor in it.
Today is the start of a long weekend in Australia & with a few bucks we've put aside we're taking everyone camping & fishing for a break.
Without a job, I probably wouldn't be able to do this.

[Mr Interesting]

I haven't had what might be defined as a normal job for decades... maybe since 1987 when the stockmarket crashed.

My problem in a sense was I started profiting from my talents very early in life as in being able to draw came with a kind of celebrity and ability to swap the results for stuff to eat at school. Then about 11 I got into skateboarding and by 15 I was in a team and being paid to do demos etc.

As well as that my Dad had always been a free thinker and a socialist to boot and instilled in my a wider response to what society is than it being just a way for me to get whatever I wanted.

But you know reality is reality and even whilst I kinda knew I could do what I thought was best for me I still left school and had to get a normal job, given that higher education as a working class son of the proletariat was so much a mirage as to be unbelievable and chimera like, which was being an apprentice furniture maker which sounded like fun as it involved wood and designing and quite neato stuff.

Man, what a let down that was as I found out it amounted to 4 1/2 years of linework holding heavy pneumatic staplers with six months at the very end doing the interesting stuff and all for an absolute pittance.

But for some reason I knew I could do better and started spending all my meagre wages on buying tools as I'd always been quite near to clever older people who did things for themselves and they all had tools.

So I'm 16 and I realise as well that there's no way I can do this 5 years learning something I could learn in 6 months so I drop the apprenticeship for normal wages so I can buy more tools because this being on the line is just driving me nuts and I gotta strive to get as much possibility together before I can't stand it any longer.

37 years later and I've just spent about three years doing almost nothing except the barest minimum to get by which is buying tobacco and petrol for my car.

There is something forming though, something is on the horizon and I'm really quite pleased that my life has worked out in such a way that I have both the freedom and the time to contemplate getting ready for whatever that something might be.

[lemex]

I don't have a particularly exciting or glamorous job. I build roof trusses in a factory. My whole life (since 15) I've worked in blue collar jobs and professionally I've always been towards the bottom end of the food chain.
But I've fed, housed, clothed & educated my wife and 4 kids. I know that on a spiritual level that hardly makes me the pope or the Dalai Lama but there is a certain amount of honor in it.
Today is the start of a long weekend in Australia & with a few bucks we've put aside we're taking everyone camping & fishing for a break.
Without a job, I probably wouldn't be able to do this.

:smile: #1 reason for me that became clear about work. Addressed it, erased it, addressed it again, erased it. Something bigger then the I. I can remember the sacrifices my own mother made. I consider this so spiritual because one realizes when one is in the same place, it's not about you. I never thanked her and today you remind me that I should have. Hope everyone takes the time to.

[Ivy]

I don't have a particularly exciting or glamorous job. I build roof trusses in a factory. My whole life (since 15) I've worked in blue collar jobs and professionally I've always been towards the bottom end of the food chain.
But I've fed, housed, clothed & educated my wife and 4 kids. I know that on a spiritual level that hardly makes me the pope or the Dalai Lama but there is a certain amount of honor in it.
Today is the start of a long weekend in Australia & with a few bucks we've put aside we're taking everyone camping & fishing for a break.
Without a job, I probably wouldn't be able to do this.


#1 reason for me that became clear about work. Addressed it, erased it, addressed it again, erased it. Something bigger then the I. I can remember the sacrifices my own mother made. I consider this so spiritual because one realizes when one is in the same place, it's not about you. I never thanked her and today you remind me that I should have. Hope everyone takes the time to.


I love both of these posts.

[Shekinah]

I am retired Vietnam era Special Forces then worked in the Intelligence community till I got too old to retain certain certifications. Now I volunteer my services as pinch hitter flight crew and combat medicine in SE US, Central and South America. I love staying in the know and being useful to my Country not to mention getting some free stick time in high priced high performance aircraft. I am contracted occasionally to do some empathic interrogation.

[BlueSky]

I am retired Vietnam era Special Forces then worked in the Intelligence community till I got too old to retain certain certifications. Now I volunteer my services as pinch hitter flight crew and combat medicine in SE US, Central and South America. I love staying in the know and being useful to my Country not to mention getting some free stick time in high priced high performance aircraft. I am contracted occasionally to do some empathic interrogation.
Suddenly my life seems quite boring lol. Very interesting

[Gem]

I haven't had what might be defined as a normal job for decades... maybe since 1987 when the stockmarket crashed.

My problem in a sense was I started profiting from my talents very early in life as in being able to draw came with a kind of celebrity and ability to swap the results for stuff to eat at school. Then about 11 I got into skateboarding and by 15 I was in a team and being paid to do demos etc.

As well as that my Dad had always been a free thinker and a socialist to boot and instilled in my a wider response to what society is than it being just a way for me to get whatever I wanted.

But you know reality is reality and even whilst I kinda knew I could do what I thought was best for me I still left school and had to get a normal job, given that higher education as a working class son of the proletariat was so much a mirage as to be unbelievable and chimera like, which was being an apprentice furniture maker which sounded like fun as it involved wood and designing and quite neato stuff.

Man, what a let down that was as I found out it amounted to 4 1/2 years of linework holding heavy pneumatic staplers with six months at the very end doing the interesting stuff and all for an absolute pittance.

But for some reason I knew I could do better and started spending all my meagre wages on buying tools as I'd always been quite near to clever older people who did things for themselves and they all had tools.

So I'm 16 and I realise as well that there's no way I can do this 5 years learning something I could learn in 6 months so I drop the apprenticeship for normal wages so I can buy more tools because this being on the line is just driving me nuts and I gotta strive to get as much possibility together before I can't stand it any longer.

37 years later and I've just spent about three years doing almost nothing except the barest minimum to get by which is buying tobacco and petrol for my car.

There is something forming though, something is on the horizon and I'm really quite pleased that my life has worked out in such a way that I have both the freedom and the time to contemplate getting ready for whatever that something might be.

Neat. Feels good when the path starts forming a direction ay.

[Suzanne]

It's funny this topic should come up now. I've come to a realization about my job just the other day. I work as a college instructor and am working on a second graduate degree. The new thought I've had is that I don't like my job as much as I thought I did. Every job I had before this I HATED, so by comparison, I thought I really liked my current job. It's ok. I like it, but I'm not in love with it either. I've spent a lot of time and money to get where I am, so that leaves me a little discouraged.

However, I'm not entirely sure our jobs are supposed to be our passions or our spiritual calling. You can do spiritual work without doing it through your job.

[lemex]

It's funny this topic should come up now. I've come to a realization about my job just the other day. I work as a college instructor and am working on a second graduate degree. The new thought I've had is that I don't like my job as much as I thought I did. Every job I had before this I HATED, so by comparison, I thought I really liked my current job. It's ok. I like it, but I'm not in love with it either. I've spent a lot of time and money to get where I am, so that leaves me a little discouraged.

However, I'm not entirely sure our jobs are supposed to be our passions or our spiritual calling. You can do spiritual work without doing it through your job.

Is the original question about the job or what is spiritual, what is needed to achieve it. We may be talking about the job but the job may not the real thought. The job is the symbol.

I don't know if the image is still the same but in the past a common thought involved withdrawing from the world and separating from the world. IOW is this the way. Because what is suppose to happen when you are spiritual. IOW if I am not happy I am not spiritual. Remember, it is a journey over time.

You don't have to compromise you're spiritual side. And no you don't have to give up your normal job to become spiritual. To become spiritual probably has more to do with life. :hug3: All's I can say is, been there done that and though I can smile now about it I couldn't then. Do you have to have a true observable job that is directly related as spiritual such as a minister to see. I don't think so and is about as physical as any job. Life is probably the best measurement.

I'd have to say Suzanne, I'm way jealous of you cause that sounds like something I'd love to do. The field always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

[Illumine]

It's funny this topic should come up now. I've come to a realization about my job just the other day. I work as a college instructor and am working on a second graduate degree. The new thought I've had is that I don't like my job as much as I thought I did. Every job I had before this I HATED, so by comparison, I thought I really liked my current job. It's ok. I like it, but I'm not in love with it either. I've spent a lot of time and money to get where I am, so that leaves me a little discouraged.

However, I'm not entirely sure our jobs are supposed to be our passions or our spiritual calling. You can do spiritual work without doing it through your job.

I agree Suzanne, the timing of this is so coincidental for me as well. I always enjoyed design so naturally gravitated towards that industry and have been working as a freelancer since I left uni but for the past year or more I've enjoyed it less and less. I realise now that the commercial side of design is really not suited to me and perhaps design isn't going to be my main job but more of a skill feeding into my other work. I'm actually planning on taking some training to become certified as an energy healer (I've been a natural healer all my life) and turn it into a full time thing through a website I'm setting up. Everyday I wake up having to do design I just hate it, I get no joy from it at all and just feel the need to move on and do something that is less about me and having to sell my skills because I don't enjoy promoting myself and do something that benefits others because ultimately that is something I enjoy doing.

[Molearner]

I knew when I retired that I would miss my job and especially because of the spiritual lessons acquired on and from the job. I always viewed the workplace as a place to challenge my spirituality. Each conflict, each disagreement, every unpleasantness was like a gift being given to me. i.e. if you think you are so spiritual how do you deal with this ? How do you react to this ? Anybody can find a setting or a way of getting affirmation....that is easy.....but I never saw the potential for spiritual growth in those situations. In short, IMO, if you can stumble upon something that humbles you and makes you aware of your ego then you have been gifted. If you find a way that inflates your pride and/or ego then proceed with caution.

[Mr Interesting]

Go on then Molelearner, give it to us straight!

My job therefore is to hammer the peg in deeper to this solid rock on the cliff face that a rope might be attached.

I found once a story of the men who carve wooden balls within balls within balls and knew within myself that such a task offered something deep and inspiring that appealed to the part of me uninterested in the worlds rewards.

And another was a depiction of a zen monk meditating within a loud and raucous place of industry and I knew that too to be something deep and inspiring.

I suppose whats here for me to do is speak about acheivements and this vertical cliff face is appropriate.

Our first acheivements are soft slopes and many come to see but the next is a little steeper and less come as the work required to see is greater and the slopes get steeper still and very few arrive and can see the merits until the cliff face appears and is so out of the way there may only be another cliff face climber who even stops to watch.

And each time it is less and less about the achievement and more and more about each moment within the doing of it. And the really weird thing is that we might see a cliff face that requires all our focus but all the others see is a flat surface that has no rewards to offer.

My last success was unsuccessful and this set me up with the idea of being successfully unsuccessful, being a success at not succeeding, and as I grapple with such a paradox, which isn't really, it is timing which seems to bear on such things.

Teachers seem most readily to be metaphorical in this sense in that society waits and accepts that the success of a teachers life isn't measurable as he teaches but in the merits those he/she teaches will eventually, or not, bring to society. We suspend our belief in achievements over a much longer time.

And then the teacher themselves, without this outer achievement being available, must find some other way of seeing the worthiness of their work so they look within the details, the subtleties of how the students direct themselves, hints of bigger things occuring in the future.

[Molearner]

Go on then Molelearner, give it to us straight!

My job therefore is to hammer the peg in deeper to this solid rock on the cliff face that a rope might be attached.


Teachers seem most readily to be metaphorical in this sense in that society waits and accepts that the success of a teachers life isn't measurable as he teaches but in the merits those he/she teaches will eventually, or not, bring to society. We suspend our belief in achievements over a much longer time.

And then the teacher themselves, without this outer achievement being available, must find some other way of seeing the worthiness of their work so they look within the details, the subtleties of how the students direct themselves, hints of bigger things occuring in the future.

Mr Interesting,

Thanks....I can see you get it. And the example of teachers was quite appropriate. I would not anyone to ever think I was some great guru from an early age.....lol......that would be quite wrong. This change in attitude is mainly a product of time. Early in life the emphasis...the desire.....was materially oriented with some awareness that a spiritual component existed. Maturity made me realize that the material was simply ancillary to the spiritual. Like I finally with realization accepted: "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things will be given to you as well".

[silent whisper]

I like my job of being aware of being in this job called life itself.

AT present multi ways of being, for my multi faceted diamond self.

I like to sparkle as I work out in all things.*wink*

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

It's SO hard to let go of the programming that makes us think they're necessary though. For me it's been a constant effort to let go. Finally felt I have got to that place now. My mother is not happy LOL but I feel so good now, not worrying about a thing. I don't have a day job, I have started my own business spiritually counselling people but I'm being advised by my guides to go slow. I'm not relying on that to gain money. My saved money runs out in two months, bills are going up and benefits are staying the same. We're in a tight spot but I'm not worrying. I have faith now.

A guy who inspired me a lot regarding this was George Muller. I was brought up with Christian schooling and had to read his books. He basically just lived his whole life through faith, waiting for money to come to him at the right time when he needed it. He never lived a very lavish life but he always had enough for himself, his family, and the orphanages he was running/building. And I think as long as you are doing something your heart desires like him and his orphanges or me and my counselling right now then there's no need to worry. Everything will sort itself out at the right time.

A day job shouldn't be a necessity. It should be a heart's desire. Problem is if everyone followed their heart's desire this society would collapse. It's too dependent on striving and gaining.

My wife is like that George , in the she has unyielding certainty that "Spirit always takes care of us" , and in 25 years together, that's always ended up being true :icon_eek: . Still , ghosts of the old , seemingly hardwired patterns linger, and gratefully continue to fade . I grew up a worrier, and having jobs with slow seasons where I got "time off" reinforced the paranoid mindset , on top of a certain level of percieved and relative poverty.

But then, right before I sobered up, I quit my last real job and went into a partnership with some other jewelry guys , and then that fell apart . I was way, waaay too much of a drunk to go get another job, and I had already started doing what I'm still doing (related to jewelry and metal arts manufacturing) , so I figured I'd do that.

Then..... a few months later I did the whole rehab thing , somehow managed to attract The Most Amazing Woman In The World , and that was when it genuinely became time to consciously let go of the eons and mountains of garbage, trust , open up, expand horizons, like a big slam dunk into my new life. Because she was way ahead of me in some ways , and catching up was intense for a few years .

Work-wise, she got me to go national instead of just local , and wonderful things came along . For 27 years , the small undertaking has stayed small enough to remain manageable at home, yet successful enough to give us a good life (with Chiweewees and cats and birds, oh my !. I don't even advertise ; people just send us work because we have the reputation .
From the start, I knew I wanted to do it , but I had no business plan, no money ; just some tools , some skills, and some ... Spirit . In that way, it's a continual lesson in surrender . Just about the right amount of work always comes in; no real bad times that lasted , and hardly ever much more than I can deal with . It's actually very remarkable , from that perspective .

:smile:

Also, she's big on what you say at the end up there; if everybody followed Spirit (or heart's desire ) , the world would be a totally different, and better place .

[athribiristan]

I don't have a particularly exciting or glamorous job. I build roof trusses in a factory. My whole life (since 15) I've worked in blue collar jobs and professionally I've always been towards the bottom end of the food chain.
But I've fed, housed, clothed & educated my wife and 4 kids. I know that on a spiritual level that hardly makes me the pope or the Dalai Lama but there is a certain amount of honor in it.
Today is the start of a long weekend in Australia & with a few bucks we've put aside we're taking everyone camping & fishing for a break.
Without a job, I probably wouldn't be able to do this.

Sir, there is a great deal of honor in that.

[Shinsoo]

I do, yes. I work at the local hospital as a housekeeper aka: glorified name for a janitor. I didn't work for the longest time though, actually. But was pressured to eventually, and because I had no idea of my spirituality and had abyssmal faith in myself and what I had to offer at the time, wound up working a lot of ****** McJobs before my current.

But that all may very well change soon. I've found the hospital does energy therapy recently, and I'm hoping to apply my healing abilities there. I talk to the woman in charge of it tomorrow.

I've worked minimum wage jobs all my life. At least my current one has a ton of benefits though.

[Mr Interesting]

It's SO hard to let go of the programming that makes us think they're necessary though. For me it's been a constant effort to let go. Finally felt I have got to that place now. My mother is not happy LOL but I feel so good now, not worrying about a thing. I don't have a day job, I have started my own business spiritually counselling people but I'm being advised by my guides to go slow. I'm not relying on that to gain money. My saved money runs out in two months, bills are going up and benefits are staying the same. We're in a tight spot but I'm not worrying. I have faith now.

A guy who inspired me a lot regarding this was George Muller. I was brought up with Christian schooling and had to read his books. He basically just lived his whole life through faith, waiting for money to come to him at the right time when he needed it. He never lived a very lavish life but he always had enough for himself, his family, and the orphanages he was running/building. And I think as long as you are doing something your heart desires like him and his orphanges or me and my counselling right now then there's no need to worry. Everything will sort itself out at the right time.

A day job shouldn't be a necessity. It should be a heart's desire. Problem is if everyone followed their heart's desire this society would collapse. It's too dependent on striving and gaining.

Go Scarlett! Leap and the net shall appear!

I watched for ages a family I know with 6 kids and two adults and the breadwinner, a very old friend of mine, self employed and they would start to run out of money and start worrying, which made the money go faster, which made them worry etc etc until they would be down to the last few dollars or loaf of bread or bathful of water (they are on a tank) and then suddenly let go and stop worrying and almost within hours a job or money would appear. It took them years to get to the point where they just spend as it's needed and if it runs out... well, it runs out then more arrives... as it should.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Go Scarlett! Leap and the net shall appear!

I watched for ages a family I know with 6 kids and two adults and the breadwinner, a very old friend of mine, self employed and they would start to run out of money and start worrying, which made the money go faster, which made them worry etc etc until they would be down to the last few dollars or loaf of bread or bathful of water (they are on a tank) and then suddenly let go and stop worrying and almost within hours a job or money would appear. It took them years to get to the point where they just spend as it's needed and if it runs out... well, it runs out then more arrives... as it should.

The conditioning here gets us thinking that the safety net is money , but relying on money to feel safe is empty , even when there's a lot of money .
Otherwise, why all the greed ? All the money in the world wouldn't be enough for some people , because the idea of abundance and sharing is foreign and apalling , and/or frightening to them .

So we unwind the conditioning , and reprogram ourselves , which can take some work and some time. I still start to think about lack when work slows down, and probably a hundred times, within a few weeks or less, I've got more than I know what to do with, and I then worry about getting it all done in time . So, more unwinding and reprogramming, bit by bit . Most people are okay waiting , and enough people are okay with paying more , and the real bottom line is that people love what I do . This 'job' was laid in my lap by Spirit/Universe , and it's perfect for me . Sometimes I have to slap myself in the face to remember that , and be grateful .

[Suzanne]

I'd have to say Suzanne, I'm way jealous of you cause that sounds like something I'd love to do. The field always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

Of course teaching can be a very spiritual job -- you're helping people, you're molding who they are. I think for me it's just a sign that I need to adjust somethings about how I teach. This has given me something to think about.

[Suzanne]

I agree Suzanne, the timing of this is so coincidental for me as well. I always enjoyed design so naturally gravitated towards that industry and have been working as a freelancer since I left uni but for the past year or more I've enjoyed it less and less. I realise now that the commercial side of design is really not suited to me and perhaps design isn't going to be my main job but more of a skill feeding into my other work. I'm actually planning on taking some training to become certified as an energy healer (I've been a natural healer all my life) and turn it into a full time thing through a website I'm setting up. Everyday I wake up having to do design I just hate it, I get no joy from it at all and just feel the need to move on and do something that is less about me and having to sell my skills because I don't enjoy promoting myself and do something that benefits others because ultimately that is something I enjoy doing.

Sorry, this is a bit off-topic, but I'm taking a class in design right now and I love it! It's part of the Educational Technology degree I'm working on. I'm interested in knowing more about why you dislike it so much. PM me if you want to chat about it.

[Mr Interesting]

The conditioning here gets us thinking that the safety net is money , but relying on money to feel safe is empty , even when there's a lot of money .
Otherwise, why all the greed ? All the money in the world wouldn't be enough for some people , because the idea of abundance and sharing is foreign and apalling , and/or frightening to them .

So we unwind the conditioning , and reprogram ourselves , which can take some work and some time. I still start to think about lack when work slows down, and probably a hundred times, within a few weeks or less, I've got more than I know what to do with, and I then worry about getting it all done in time . So, more unwinding and reprogramming, bit by bit . Most people are okay waiting , and enough people are okay with paying more , and the real bottom line is that people love what I do . This 'job' was laid in my lap by Spirit/Universe , and it's perfect for me . Sometimes I have to slap myself in the face to remember that , and be grateful .

I have to be absurdly careful about what I want as I get it and I've been well running out of room for quite a while now but at the same time have enough building materials and spare land to build another couple of spaces to keep the rain off and the heat in...

Yes indeed, money isn't required much at all and for me anyways only tends to be about stuff with shelf life requirements.

I've kinda been working up to metal casting and recently ended up swapping some CB radios I found in a bin behind a fire station for several buckets of casting sand which in itself had a convenience going on which was quite lovely as a friend lived between the two of us and drop offs occurred there and I never even met the fellow who I swapped with. He went somewhere and found what he wanted and left what he didn't.

I find it so much more a hunter gatherer mentality that I'm growing into and money itself is just another thing which can either be hunted or gathered and in that respect suffers a little under the need of translation which is to say that it's far easier most times to just get what you want rather than converting what you have into money to get what you think you might need.

And the funny thing for me is I actually prefer scarcity over abundance though it's more about less being more than a psychological lack... it's like abundance sits in potential and can rest at my discretion while I consider ways of having less and less physical change run through my life and if physicality does have to prove it's abundance then it's better served being nature doin it's thing, trees growing, water running and worms crawling than me riding some wave of imagination where cars and Tv's and vacuum cleaners take precedance.

[lenvdb64]

I also have a normal 9-5 day job - Mon to Fri.
This is how I pay bills and put food on the table and a roof over our heads.
On the one hand I enjoy the mental challenge and enjoy the satisfaction of Achievement at work.

On the other hand it often comes with unwanted stress and demands.
That is when I wish I could go and live in a monastry and be a buddhist monk and focus on my Spiritual development like Julia Roberts did in Eat,Pray,Love.

I would love to take time out to develop Astral Travel, but I need to rest / sleep at night and cannot put energy into that while having a full time job.

So its back to work for me on a daily basis!
:-)