Weight problem

[TakesFeelings]

I am a guy who use to be jacked and weighed in around 200 pounds. My diet was a diet of "eat whatever I want when I want". two or three months ago I went Vegan not knowing anything about the health keys. I am finding it hard to meet a reasonable calories intake. Some of my problems are "you look skinny"And I am a guy who is not amused then people say this. Is there a protein or a calorie dense shake that will be packed with all the good calories that I need? Is there anything I can do to make my transition for meat to plants based diet more healthy? :hug2:
PEACE

[MIND POWER]

Dont be scared to eat fat, the more fat the better! it's one of the greatest myths that fats are bad for you! fantastic education by the powers that be. Eat Nuts, i would say when it comes to vegetarian food they are very very dense. Nuts, Lentils, you need plenty of fats man. I am not sure whether you can eat eggs, but if you can! eat them aswell. And the rest of you're diet, i am sure you know what to eat.

Hemp Seeds, Nuts, and Algae's.

http://www.purehealingfoods.com/hempHeartsInfo.php

Also look into coconut oil's, and Red Palm Oil's for adding more fats to shakes or whatever.

http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/newsletter/111309_Red-Palm-Oil_02.html

Quinoa.

http://authoritynutrition.com/11-proven-benefits-of-quinoa/

Nothing much more i can think of, just eat! don't count you're calories just eat!

Lion's and Tigers don't count their calories, when they get the opportunity they eat!

[knightofalbion]

1) Google Patrik Baboumian and Frank Medrano for inspiration, both vegan.

2) Any diet needs to be planned to ensure it is balanced and providing all the required nutrients. I would advise checking out the Vegan Society website for further information.
There are also a couple of vegan body building forums if that is any interest to you.

[The Back Seat]

We are a species that evolved from hunters and gatherers. You need meat for the protein and fat and other nutrients that come from animal meat. There are certain meat that is better then others. Eat more small seafood (big fish contain mercury), and eat less red meat (acidic). You need to eat veggies and certain fruits like berries ofcourse.

If you really want to be healthy, cut out all foods with added sugar. No sugary drinks. Obesity, diabetes, and other issues became epidemic after the introduction of sugary drinks. No high carb foods like potatos, pasta, rice, bread, etc. Foods that are high in carbs lead to more health problems then just weight gain. Avoid certain fruits that contain only sugar and no other nutrients (like watermelon)Don't expect big pharma and doctors to tell you this because they are profiting off a society that is addicted to their carbs.

Shakes are a great way to unlock the nutrients in certain food. Focus in blending foods like beats, seaweed, kale, spinach, certain nuts, avocado seed (yes blend that big seed), Cocoa beans, etc. Some fruits like berries and apples can be added to add flavor to the smoothie.

[Everly]

We are a species that evolved from hunters and gatherers. You need meat for the protein and fat and other nutrients that come from animal meat.

This is a myth. We do not need flesh for protein. There is protein in nearly everything and proteins are proteins.

Proteins are amino acids. Our bodies need nine amino acids (proteins) from food. The others are manufactured by our own bodies. Protein is protein and there isn't one source that's better than another. Even a quick search online will provide all the information. Here are three good charts that might surprise you.

Protein comparison chart (http://realfoodsmom.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/protein-comparison-chart/)

Another chart (http://www.carlagoldenwellness.com/2013/04/22/the-myths-metaphysics-of-protein/)

And a chart that is very specific regarding each amino acid (protein) (http://orthomolecular.org/nutrients/proteins.shtml)

There is ample evidence that our bodies are actually designed to be herbivorous. From our teeth to our digestive tracts to the enzymes our bodies produce, we aren't designed to eat flesh. (Did you know that humans do not produce the enzyme necessary to break down cholesterol? Carnivores and omnivores have it.)

Can we eat flesh? Of course. But just we can, doesn't mean we should. There are three factors to consider: Ethics (the pure evil cruelty involved in food animal production), health and environmental.

If you choose to consume flesh, do so. But do so with facts, not nonsense.

[The Back Seat]

This is a myth. We do not need flesh for protein. There is protein in nearly everything and proteins are proteins.

Proteins are amino acids. Our bodies need nine amino acids (proteins) from food. The others are manufactured by our own bodies. Protein is protein and there isn't one source that's better than another. Even a quick search online will provide all the information. Here are three good charts that might surprise you.

Protein comparison chart (http://realfoodsmom.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/protein-comparison-chart/)

Another chart (http://www.carlagoldenwellness.com/2013/04/22/the-myths-metaphysics-of-protein/)

And a chart that is very specific regarding each amino acid (protein) (http://orthomolecular.org/nutrients/proteins.shtml)

There is ample evidence that our bodies are actually designed to be herbivorous. From our teeth to our digestive tracts to the enzymes our bodies produce, we aren't designed to eat flesh. (Did you know that humans do not produce the enzyme necessary to break down cholesterol? Carnivores and omnivores have it.)

Can we eat flesh? Of course. But just we can, doesn't mean we should. There are three factors to consider: Ethics (the pure evil cruelty involved in food animal production), health and environmental.

If you choose to consume flesh, do so. But do so with facts, not nonsense.

Humans are capable of living with out meat as long as they get the nutrients from specific non meat foods. But id like to meet a body builder that has had success without meat or meat derived protein supplements. Yes there are terrible practices in animal farming and meat processing but this was not a factor before these evil practices began. It's not all about the protien. It's the fats and other nutrients aswell. Eggs are a power house of nutrients that are important for a body builder. I research nutrition for my own understanding, and there is so much conflict over meat. I had a feeling I would get back lash by bringing up meat in a vegan forum. Humans were hunter gatherers and is not myth. I recently read an article that they found shells from shellfish that had carvings on it from early Neanderthals. Of course early humans weren't eat gross cow meat and chicken with antibiotics or growth hormones, those practices didn't exist back then. Early humans ate what they had too to survive, and ate shellfish and other meat that was accessible (there was no such thing as a cow back then). Hunters were praised when they brought back a catch

In our current society, we are fortunate to have the opportunity to pick and choose the foods we eat. If you want to not eat meat, that's fine. Just don't expect to be a body builder as Takesfeeling explained. Meat has a surplus of calories that body builders need. While your facts are true, they don't help Takesfeelings receive enough calories that he would need to continue body building.

I will say that you shouldn't eat meat during cleansing practices. Cleansing is great once and a while to remove toxins from body. And we do subject ourselves to whatever that animal ingested before eat it's meat (why certain meats should be avoided). But plants can absorb toxins from the ground as well (why pesticides are so bad). Sugary food need to be avoided aswell during detox as sugar feeds yeast/candida and this creates toxins in the body.

While we worry about the merits of eating meat, our society is killing themselves with sugar. And that is where my issue lies.

[knightofalbion]

That's an inappropriate post for the vegetarian/vegan section and likely to flame up an argument.

And it's totally untrue.

We have a daily requirement for protein. Daily.
Patrik Baboumian is a world-record holding VEGAN weightlifter
http://www.freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/patrik-baboumian-strength-is-compassion/

The weight he lifted and carried is equivalent to that of a large horse, or 22 sacks of potatoes. And that feat accomplished entirely on plant protein.

[The Back Seat]

That's an inappropriate post for the vegetarian/vegan section and likely to flame up an argument.

And it's totally untrue.

We have a daily requirement for protein. Daily.
Patrik Baboumian is a world-record holding VEGAN weightlifter
http://www.freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/patrik-baboumian-strength-is-compassion/

The weight he lifted and carried is equivalent to that of a large horse, or 22 sacks of potatoes. And that feat accomplished entirely on plant protein.

Interesting. I didn't see anywhere that mentioned his diet. So I did a little research on how he gets his protein. He of course eats many nuts. But he also eats soy products. There is much controversy over soy products but is still in the research and study phase, so I will refrain from getting into it. I see people recommending that Takesfeeling eats nuts and seeds, but nothing about soy products. So I stand corrected, you can be a body builder like Patrick, just be sure to eat a lot of soy like Patrick does.

Didn't realize this was a vegan forum at first. Sorry for bringing up meat in the first place. I will refrain from future comments on this thread to avoid arguments.

[Everly]

A quick search using the term vegan bodybuilders brings up quite a few. Consuming flesh just isn't necessary for anything. One can choose it, but it simply is not necessary and there isn't a shred of reliable evidence that it is.

Whether one eats "meat" or not, a balanced diet provides all the nutrients we need. (This is aside from the issue of depleted nutrients in foods due to pollution, pesticides, herbicides, etc., which is an entirely different discussion.)

And you don't have to eat a lot of soy to be a bodybuilder, either. That's one person's choice. Did you look at the charts I posted above? There are many, many good non-flesh sources of proteins.

FWIW, this is a discussion forum and I don't mind discussing meat. But... Do the rules prohibit discussing meat? I'm curious b/c someone was complaining about a seemingly non-Christian post on the Christian section. So I'm wondering if each section has specific rules regarding diverse opinions.

[knightofalbion]

There aren't rules against it as such, but arguments on here are frowned upon. People have strong views, understandably, and it's always prudent to consider what reaction a post might get before posting it.
Everything is laid out in the 'forum rules'.

[Everly]

There aren't rules against it as such, but arguments on here are frowned upon. People have strong views, understandably, and it's always prudent to consider what reaction a post might get before posting it.
Everything is laid out in the 'forum rules'.

Hm. I wonder now if all discussions with differing views are considered arguments. I hope not.

I knew arguing is pretty much off-limits, but wondered specifically about posting a view that's different from the mainstream in a section.

[knightofalbion]

Encountering different views can be very good, broadening minds and helping in understanding others.

Now that you've raised the matter I'm not sure there is a definitive answer as such. I think when you've been here a while you get to understand what issues are likely to stir up strong emotions and learn to tread carefully!

You could always post in one of the 'General' sections or in the 'Strong Opinions & Discussions' section if there is something a little more contentious you want to talk about.

[The Back Seat]

I think debating differing views is a great thing. And a debate kind of is an argument I guess. It becomes a problem when people stop using factual evidence in their arguments and start attacking character and calling names. I choose to follow current events and politics, and the amount of character assassinations and name calling is tremendous. I love debating anything and I do my best to try and understand the other side. I think the ability to argue an idea without violence or hatred is a valuable human trait, and sadly some societies are losing touch with that higher ability.

[Everly]

I think debating differing views is a great thing. And a debate kind of is an argument I guess. It becomes a problem when people stop using factual evidence in their arguments and start attacking character and calling names. I choose to follow current events and politics, and the amount of character assassinations and name calling is tremendous. I love debating anything and I do my best to try and understand the other side. I think the ability to argue an idea without violence or hatred is a valuable human trait, and sadly some societies are losing touch with that higher ability.

Ooh. Nice! Well-stated. I completely agree. (I do a lot of fact-checking and am always surprised to see how many people don't. Even with the world at their fingertips, they can't do simple, reliable fact-checking.)

[kris]

Is there a protein or a calorie dense shake that will be packed with all the good calories that I need? Is there anything I can do to make my transition for meat to plants based diet more healthy?
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/gain-weight-vegan/
But id like to meet a body builder that has had success without meat or meat derived protein supplements.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/08/vegan_strongman_shoulders_550_kg_a_record_perhaps_ at_vegetarian_food_fest.html

[Phanatulum]

going back to the weight issue, If you follow a vegan or vegetarian diet, vegetables should make up the bulk of your intake. I would suggest raw vegetables if you have a weight issue. Dark leafy greens are especially important.
protien foods should not be processed. Beans can be soaked over night or lightly sprouted for better tolerance. A wide variety of food should be eaten. The chemicals used in processing soy products that are meat substitutes are very bad for you. Avoid the vegetarian junk food.

The main issues that have to be addressed are vitamin B12 deficiency and adequate mineral intake. B12 is naturally found in animal foods but it is easily supplimented and the suppliment is effective in preventing deficiency. The deficiency can cause severe anemia.

Periodic blood tests can be done to ensure that these levels as well as your blood protein levels are maintained at healthy levels. Protien levels do not usually drop if your are healthy adult and eat a decent variety.

Nutritional yeast is a complete protien and a good cheese substitute. It's also usually fortified with B12. That is the only processed food I would eat.

[wanchain]

Just for your information:

My herbalist said that my daily protein requirement is about half a glass of milk, or a little less than one egg.

The low volume surprised me, but then it made sense. Usually only these four types of people need high protein: 1) the young, 2) the pregnant, 3) the sick (recovering), and 4) the laboured.

The excess nutrients that we take in may be absorbed for storage if it is fat soluble, or may be flushed out if it is water soluble. I think excess proteins are flushed out.

If your issue is not getting a filling diet, then I think it's just a matter of the stomach adjusting to a lighter diet.

If your issue is too much weight loss, then it could be that your body is removing toxins, as they are typically stored in adipose tissues (fat). So if your health is not deteriorating due to weight loss, then I think your body is adjusting to a healthier state.

[TakesFeelings]

Just for your information:

My herbalist said that my daily protein requirement is about half a glass of milk, or a little less than one egg.

The low volume surprised me, but then it made sense. Usually only these four types of people need high protein: 1) the young, 2) the pregnant, 3) the sick (recovering), and 4) the laboured.

The excess nutrients that we take in may be absorbed for storage if it is fat soluble, or may be flushed out if it is water soluble. I think excess proteins are flushed out.

If your issue is not getting a filling diet, then I think it's just a matter of the stomach adjusting to a lighter diet.

If your issue is too much weight loss, then it could be that your body is removing toxins, as they are typically stored in adipose tissues (fat). So if your health is not deteriorating due to weight loss, then I think your body is adjusting to a healthier state.

I feel like the best action that I've done was to become lighter. I notice today that my body seems really healthy. Despite what my mind says being to skinny, it may be a transition between my old diet and my new diet and that's cool. Out with the bad and in with the new. I wonder how much protein I need as a 21 year old male?
PEACE

[TakesFeelings]

I am graciously looking at each post and the URL's that are here in this post.
PEACE

[Heaven]

Dont be scared to eat fat, the more fat the better! it's one of the greatest myths that fats are bad for you! fantastic education by the powers that be. Eat Nuts, i would say when it comes to vegetarian food they are very very dense. Nuts, Lentils, you need plenty of fats man. I am not sure whether you can eat eggs, but if you can! eat them aswell. And the rest of you're diet, i am sure you know what to eat.

Hemp Seeds, Nuts, and Algae's.

http://www.purehealingfoods.com/hempHeartsInfo.php

Also look into coconut oil's, and Red Palm Oil's for adding more fats to shakes or whatever.

http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/newsletter/111309_Red-Palm-Oil_02.html

Quinoa.

http://authoritynutrition.com/11-proven-benefits-of-quinoa/

Nothing much more i can think of, just eat! don't count you're calories just eat!

Lion's and Tigers don't count their calories, when they get the opportunity they eat!

Just to be clear you are talking about the Good Fat, not the bad fat, Right? I understand some fat is actually necessary for your body but you still have the bad fat like saturated fat and trans fat in which are not good for your body. Does are the type of fats that I'm doing my best not to consume. Nuts have good fat and fish and other type of oils. As far as beef, what I understand the fat in beef is very bad for you. When you say is good to eat fat you are referring to the good fat?

I suffer from high cholesterol and I have to limit cheese, meat, bacon and any type of food's that carries bad fat.

[MIND POWER]

Just to be clear you are talking about the Good Fat, not the bad fat, Right? I understand some fat is actually necessary for your body but you still have the bad fat like saturated fat and trans fat in which are not good for your body. Does are the type of fats that I'm doing my best not to consume. Nuts have good fat and fish and other type of oils. As far as beef, what I understand the fat in beef is very bad for you. When you say is good to eat fat you are referring to the good fat?

I suffer from high cholesterol and I have to limit cheese, meat, bacon and any type of food's that carries bad fat.

Most fat is good in my opinion accept trans fat/hydrogenated fat. Fats are not the problem over consumption of refined carbohydrates and white sugar is the issue with most people in combination with lack of exercise. Cholesterol is a repair substance in the human body, without it you would die also its vital for brain health! that's why their are loads of fantastic side effects of statin drugs. There has not been one person who i have come across who once on statin drugs, or once they magically lower cholesterol have a dramatic improvement in life. Because it's a load of nonsense, fat and cholesterol are not the problem. Cholesterol is a repair substance and its used by the body to repair cells, you're body is constantly needing repairing. If you blast all cholesterol out of the way, your body does not repair and you suffer from a host of side effects! which many people who take statin drugs do suffer from! but the only thing that seem's to matter is that the cholesterol number goes down, and statin drugs are being sold hahaha.

Its pathetic.

Heaven its just all aload of nonsense, they knew the effects of smoking but never told anyone for years! decades! Take a look around at people today, supposively we are living in the most technologically advance age with vast amounts of health information being generously given by the powers that be. And obesity, diabetes, and every other lifestyle related health issue is on the rise.

Again i could go really deep on this subject, but it is just very frustrating. But in the next 50-100 years allot of things will change anyway.

And in knowing that life is not all biological this is also inspiring.

Because it means one day, we won't be manipulated and mislead so easily.

I would suggest just carry on eating as you are, all you can do in this day and age is just use common sense. Stick to the basics, because people are always coming up with idea's or health scares to cash in. Just make sure you are exercising like 3 times per week, and you will be fine! for however long! smash it!!

[Heaven]

The doctor prescribed me medication and honestly I didn't took them. I just decided to lower it with working out more and cutting down the bad fat. It has done the job, last time I had it checked it was back to normal. I just wanted to understand what you stated cause I do know you do need a balance of fat in your body. Since working out and cutting down on meat cheese and dairy I have manage to lower it and lose weight.

Thanks for your reply!

[Heaven]

Double Post!

[Phanatulum]

If you want to loose weight you need to build the exercise to 5 times a week. at least. I don't mean hard blasting all 5 days but you need to move and move a lot. if you can get a podometer. A good target is 10,000 steps a day.

[wanchain]

I feel like the best action that I've done was to become lighter. I notice today that my body seems really healthy. Despite what my mind says being to skinny, it may be a transition between my old diet and my new diet and that's cool. Out with the bad and in with the new. I wonder how much protein I need as a 21 year old male?
PEACE

That sounds right to me, the fact that you feel "lighter". Lighter not in terms of weight, but in terms of efficient circulation. Everything (blood, lymph, nutrients, waste, energy, etc) inside you should flow more easily, with less resistance. Your head might be clearer too, if there's less resistance in the nerves in your head.

You can try changing the amount of your protein intake, and see how you feel. But if your body doesn't require huge amount of protein for exercise, growing, recovery, etc, then you should feel okay with less.

[TakesFeelings]

I am specially happy within my own body. I am so grateful for is being here in a well circulate body!
PEACE

[12 counsellors]

I was vegaterian for just over a year before I changed over to Vegan eating. Since I have done this, my cravings towards chocolate have dissapeared. I no longer desire the taste, weird, but freaking awesome for me, lol. I am having the same problem though, loosing weight. Its only been 5 weeks and I am loosing alot of it. If my body doesnt balance out soon or later then I will start worrying about it, but for now, I am just taking it as a means of my body adjusting itself.

What I have noticed since I started this journey, is my skin acting out. Releasing all the toxins. Scary but amazing.

[Lucky 1]

We are a species that evolved from hunters and gatherers. You need meat for the protein and fat and other nutrients that come from animal meat. There are certain meat that is better then others. Eat more small seafood (big fish contain mercury), and eat less red meat (acidic). You need to eat veggies and certain fruits like berries ofcourse.

If you really want to be healthy, cut out all foods with added sugar. No sugary drinks. Obesity, diabetes, and other issues became epidemic after the introduction of sugary drinks. No high carb foods like potatos, pasta, rice, bread, etc. Foods that are high in carbs lead to more health problems then just weight gain. Avoid certain fruits that contain only sugar and no other nutrients (like watermelon)Don't expect big pharma and doctors to tell you this because they are profiting off a society that is addicted to their carbs.

Shakes are a great way to unlock the nutrients in certain food. Focus in blending foods like beats, seaweed, kale, spinach, certain nuts, avocado seed (yes blend that big seed), Cocoa beans, etc. Some fruits like berries and apples can be added to add flavor to the smoothie.

Yeah...what he said..and what he said sounds "paleo"...human beings are omnivores not vegetarians/vegans... Looking skinny and malnourished is a common complaint for vegans

Look up the paleo diet......it's the way human beings were really meant to eat!

[kris]

https://www.facebook.com/veganoutreach/photos/a.10150534706596508.425667.165205491507/10154528771861508/?type=3&theater

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

[Debrah]

Yeah...what he said..and what he said sounds "paleo"...human beings are omnivores not vegetarians/vegans... Looking skinny and malnourished is a common complaint for vegans

Look up the paleo diet......it's the way human beings were really meant to eat!


And where pray tell, did you come up with the nugget about vegetarians and vegans looking skinny and malnourished? We carry the right amount of body weight for our frames instead of packing around excess generally speaking.

And by the way, might I suggest that you look at the physiology of our jaw structure and digestive tract for clues as to what we really are? Here's a link to get you started:

The Comparative Anatomy of Eating http://www.ecologos.org/anatomy.htm

I think that because we've learned to cook animal foods, they are relatively safe, but not something that is necessary for our health. Without the ability to cook them, for the most part we absolutely couldn't safely eat it because we don't have the strong stomach acids of the true omnivore/carnivore that can kill the pathogens and bacteria that infest dead animals. Also, it sits in the intestine a lot longer in us, giving it lots of time to become deadly whereas an omnivore or carnivore (carnivore especially) has a shorter journey through.

[Lucky 1]

And where pray tell, did you come up with the nugget about vegetarians and vegans looking skinny and malnourished? We carry the right amount of body weight for our frames instead of packing around excess (am I talking to you?) generally speaking.



Just about every vegetarian/vegan l ever met looked skinny and malnourishd and just kinda seemed low energy.

I've met a couple who looked and acted like they were starving all the time!
My experience is that a few individuals will do okay on a all plant diet..... But most will not.

As far as myself....I'm a weightlifter with around 8 to10% body fat..... My BMI is 26....all the medical charts say I'm too heavy for my height but it's all muscle so l couldn't care less what the charts says.......I'm lean enough to have visible veins like the amateur bodybuilder that l am

I'm 55 years old and have absolutely normal blood pressure..... And eat meat or fish every day.....all of it game or fish l caught.

I also have no trouble pulling my 70lb recurve to full draw and holding it till the shot presents itself.

The photo in my avatar is myself and taken last summer in North East Texas in front of the world famous Bob Lee Archery Works.......fat l am not!

[baro-san]

From personal experience:

I lost ~130 lb in about ~14 months, by reducing my calorie intake with ~1,000 calories /day, from ~2,400 to ~1,400. You're hungry the first 3-5 days until your brain gets used to fewer calories. Drink lots of water to have your stomach full. Eat balanced (fats, proteins, carbs), and take a multivitamin daily.

1 lb of fat = ~3,500 calories
14 months = ~426 days
@1,000 calorie deficit/day you lose 426,000 / 3,500 = ~122 lb
I lost ~130 lb

After 14 months, I gradually raised the daily intake from 1,400 to 2,400 calories / day

I kept my weight normal for the last 14 years.

Good luck!

PS: It's pure physics (thermodynamics). Don't believe anything else!

[Silver]

Congrats, baro-san on your achievement! I lost a bunch of weight years ago and kept it all off for 7 years - so, now I struggle with weight gain and health issues (had open-heart surgery June 30, 2014 - a triple).

I saw someone mention the BMI and I had read this article from livestrong.com a short while ago and thought it might be helpful in this conversation thread:

Disadvantage: BMI Misses Normal Weight Obesity
Because BMI is simply a measure of your weight versus your height, it doesn't take into account where that weight comes from -- lean tissue or fat. For this reason, you might have a normal "healthy" weight, according to your BMI, but still face health risks due to excess body fat. For example, excess abdominal fat that pushes your waistline to larger than 35 inches for women and 40 inches for men ups your risk of obesity-related diseases, according to the National Institutes of Health, regardless of your BMI. And normal weight obesity -- which happens when you're overfat, but not overweight, according to BMI -- increases your blood lipid and blood pressure levels, which increases your risk of heart disease.

[Gem]

Just for your information:

My herbalist said that my daily protein requirement is about half a glass of milk, or a little less than one egg.

Doesn't sound right.

The low volume surprised me, but then it made sense. Usually only these four types of people need high protein: 1) the young, 2) the pregnant, 3) the sick (recovering), and 4) the laboured.

The excess nutrients that we take in may be absorbed for storage if it is fat soluble, or may be flushed out if it is water soluble. I think excess proteins are flushed out.

If your issue is not getting a filling diet, then I think it's just a matter of the stomach adjusting to a lighter diet.

If your issue is too much weight loss, then it could be that your body is removing toxins, as they are typically stored in adipose tissues (fat). So if your health is not deteriorating due to weight loss, then I think your body is adjusting to a healthier state.

[Lucky 1]

Doesn't sound right.


Gem, it doesn't sound right because its not!

An inactive person needs at least 1/4 gram of protein per pound of body weight daily....an active person needs at least 1/2 gram per pound of body weight daily and a weight lifter/ bodybuilder will need at least 1 gram per pound of body weight daily.

[baro-san]

... BMI ...I agree. "normal" weight isn't a guarantee of health. Health, both physical and mental, is built with a healthy lifestyle: diet, exercise, supplements, sleep, stress reduction, etc., and in each case details matter. My message was just that body fat is quite accurately controlled through calorie balance, using formula 1 lb ~ 3,500 calories.

[baro-san]

Gem, it doesn't sound right because its not!

An inactive person needs at least 1/4 gram of protein per pound of body weight daily....an active person needs at least 1/2 gram per pound of body weight daily and a weight lifter/ bodybuilder will need at least 1 gram per pound of body weight daily.Recent research shows that excess protein is unhealthy.
People who get 20 percent or more (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/12/21/excessive-protein-intake.aspx) of daily calories from protein have a 400 percent higher cancer rate, and a 75 percent higher risk of mortality, compared to those who get only 10 percent of daily calories from protein
From what I read, targeting ~0.5 grams per pound of body weight is a good general recommendation. As in most cases, details matter, like quality and source of protein.

[Gem]

Recent research shows that excess protein is unhealthy.People who get 20 percent or more (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/12/21/excessive-protein-intake.aspx) of daily calories from protein have a 400 percent higher cancer rate, and a 75 percent higher risk of mortality, compared to those who get only 10 percent of daily calories from proteinFrom what I read, targeting ~0.5 grams per pound of body weight is a good general recommendation. As in most cases, details matter, like quality and source of protein.

That sounds reasonable. As Lucky1 pointed out, people who do strenuous physical activity require more than those with less physically active life styles. Indeed excesses (and deficits) in general are detrimental to long term health.

[Gem]

Gem, it doesn't sound right because its not!

An inactive person needs at least 1/4 gram of protein per pound of body weight daily....an active person needs at least 1/2 gram per pound of body weight daily and a weight lifter/ bodybuilder will need at least 1 gram per pound of body weight daily.
Sounds about right, but it might be best for those with a high body fat percentage to go by lean weight, and such people would do best by seeking help from a properly qualified nutritionist.

A boiled egg has about 6g protein, which is completely inadequate for any person. 125 ml (1/2 cup) of milk has less than 4g. These numbers don't even correlate. Never see a herbalist for nutrition advice!

[blackraven]

Congrats, baro-san on your achievement! I lost a bunch of weight years ago and kept it all off for 7 years - so, now I struggle with weight gain and health issues (had open-heart surgery June 30, 2014 - a triple).

I saw someone mention the BMI and I had read this article from livestrong.com a short while ago and thought it might be helpful in this conversation thread:

Disadvantage: BMI Misses Normal Weight Obesity
Because BMI is simply a measure of your weight versus your height, it doesn't take into account where that weight comes from -- lean tissue or fat. For this reason, you might have a normal "healthy" weight, according to your BMI, but still face health risks due to excess body fat. For example, excess abdominal fat that pushes your waistline to larger than 35 inches for women and 40 inches for men ups your risk of obesity-related diseases, according to the National Institutes of Health, regardless of your BMI. And normal weight obesity -- which happens when you're overfat, but not overweight, according to BMI -- increases your blood lipid and blood pressure levels, which increases your risk of heart disease.

So glad you pulled through your open heart surgery, Silver. I had open heart surgery to repair a genetically bad valve about 25 years ago. Going under the knife for such a high risk surgery is always scary. I wish you well in getting to and maintaining a healthy weight so that you never have to go through that again. :hug3:

[Silver]

So glad you pulled through your open heart surgery, Silver. I had open heart surgery to repair a genetically bad valve about 25 years ago. Going under the knife for such a high risk surgery is always scary. I wish you well in getting to and maintaining a healthy weight so that you never have to go through that again. :hug3:

Thank you, blackraven...very much appreciate your kind wishes and encouragement!