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kindheart
04-12-2010, 02:06 AM
Hi there,
Sorry for the sad/gross mental image, but I was crossing the street to get to my apartment earlier, and there was a dead crow or raven (I think... and I have a hard time differentiating both) in the middle of the street, that had been smooshed by cars :icon_frown:

I don't know that the crow or raven is one of my animal guides, but I worry that this is a bad omen of some sort? Was there a meaning to that, or was it just coincidence?

It seems so odd to me that a crow or raven would have gone in the middle of a busy road to begin with, or not moved when a car was to come by. They usually stay on the side of the road and are pretty intelligent...

Any insight would be very appreciated!

My life is a bit rocky too lately, stress from university, but especially been heart broken again by a guy who I keep trusting but who keeps deceiving. That has been the issue on my mind lately, or the fact i'm hoping to soon finally find the right guy who will treat me with the love and respect i deserve to have.

THank you :)

eraser
04-12-2010, 03:56 PM
Hi kindheart. I think the fact you noticed the raven/crow and thought along the lines you did (surprised because they're alert, intelligent etc.) is revealing.

The crow allowed his awareness to slip and the result was costly for him. If there is a message for you to take from this, it may be that you risk an unhealthy situation if you aren't aware.

Which leads us to the relationship you mentioned. Anyone who deceives repeatedly in a relationship is obviously not someone to trust -- especially with something as valuable as your heart.

Cut the ties to this loser. Focus on doing well at school. Good things will come of it.

Be wiser than the crow. :)

Dream Angel
04-12-2010, 04:16 PM
hi kindheart and eraser,

Interesting question and reply. I have wondered also what the meanings were when seeing a dead totem animal... wondering if the meanings were different from messages they bring to us when we see them alive.

blessings,
Dream Angel xx

ps eraser ~ any thoughts about seeing a dead deer on the side of the road ? I know it happens this time of year, more frequently than usual... maybe just a happening, not necessarily connected to a message. Just curious on your thoughts about this ? thanks

Rumar
04-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Your spirit guide wouldn't have been smooshed, if they are guides, they wouldn't be so easily killed, you just got a bit emotional due to the fact that the poor bird was unfortunate enough to get crushed.

eraser
04-12-2010, 06:29 PM
hi kindheart and eraser,

Interesting question and reply. I have wondered also what the meanings were when seeing a dead totem animal... wondering if the meanings were different from messages they bring to us when we see them alive.

blessings,
Dream Angel xx

ps eraser ~ any thoughts about seeing a dead deer on the side of the road ? I know it happens this time of year, more frequently than usual... maybe just a happening, not necessarily connected to a message. Just curious on your thoughts about this ? thanks

I think if one were to come across a dead animal that was a totem of theirs, there would be at least a momentary sadness (until realizing only its shell remained and its spirit was elsewhere). But I don't know that it would necessarily be of lesser or greater import than seeing a live one in happier circumstances. Any noteworthy appearance of an animal leads me to ponder its particular attributes and how it might relate to my present circumstances.

Whenever I come across a dead animal, if at all possible, I'll cover it with earth or leaves or tuck its body under a log. If it was a large animal, like a deer and the kill was fresh, I'd call the police. I know in many rural areas, deer and moose carcasses are taken to local hunters and/or butchers who volunteer to prepare the meat and then deliver it to a local organization to distribute to those in need. Local police would know who to contact.

Please keep in mind that I'm no guru on these matters. I'm just a student of animal nature (including the human animal) who likes to observe and theorize. :)

Dream Angel
04-12-2010, 07:06 PM
Thank you for your thoughts eraser, I wasn't asking because I thought you were a guru, lol !

thanks for clarifying that anyways. :D

Dream Angel xx

blackraven
04-12-2010, 08:11 PM
kindheart - My totem animal is a raven as well. My raven appeared to me dead in my backyard in a torpedo like nose dive into the ground with it's beak buried below the grass. I of course was horrified like you. But in your case it's typical for ravens to accidentally get hit by cars because they are scavenger birds that like to prey upon dead animal carcass/roadkill that is found along side roads. Often they don't move fast enough to get out of the way of oncoming cars unfortunately. I wouldn't look at this incident as an omen. But because the raven is your totem animal it does make you more alert to the passage through death to possible reincarnation (?) The end of one phase of life for sure. Thanks for sharing.

Blackraven

kindheart
04-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Thanks so much eraser! What you said makes a lot of sense :)
Blackraven, I meant to say the crow isn't one of my totem animals... not that I know of... or maybe is it? lol... and it was right in the middle of the street, in front of my place, not on the side of the highway, which is why I thought it was unusual, for a crow. I saw it when I walked across the street to get home..
Thanks guys :)

eraser
04-12-2010, 09:16 PM
I'm glad, kindheart. And you're welcome. :)

blackraven
04-12-2010, 10:04 PM
kindheart - Just an afterthought. Don't know about West Nile disease in Canada, but in the United States it particularly attacks crows (and bluejays). It might possibly be something like that that took the crow's life. But discerning to find it dead in front of your house nonetheless.

Blackraven

Ciqala
04-12-2010, 11:27 PM
Hi there,
Sorry for the sad/gross mental image, but I was crossing the street to get to my apartment earlier, and there was a dead crow or raven (I think... and I have a hard time differentiating both) in the middle of the street, that had been smooshed by cars :icon_frown:

I don't know that the crow or raven is one of my animal guides, but I worry that this is a bad omen of some sort? Was there a meaning to that, or was it just coincidence?

It seems so odd to me that a crow or raven would have gone in the middle of a busy road to begin with, or not moved when a car was to come by. They usually stay on the side of the road and are pretty intelligent...

Any insight would be very appreciated!

My life is a bit rocky too lately, stress from university, but especially been heart broken again by a guy who I keep trusting but who keeps deceiving. That has been the issue on my mind lately, or the fact i'm hoping to soon finally find the right guy who will treat me with the love and respect i deserve to have.

THank you :)

Hello Kindheart!

My totem animals are raven and crow. To differentiate between the two, raven is a VERY large bird, even young ravens tend to be bigger than crows, and crow is small. You can easily tell the difference by the way they sound when they are alive. Crows are the little black birds that hang around town, and roads, scavengers of peoples litter and garbage. Ravens tend to be more isolated in wilderness - but not always.

Anyways, Raven, is the trickster, and shape shifter, the only mythological bird with powers alive. Crow can be seen as his little miniature at times, but crow is not the same.

Anyway, it seems to me more likely, you saw a dead Crow, as it seems an apartment would be in a city atmosphere, but i could be wrong, hopefully my description helps you out.

Anyways, people get the wrong impression of Raven and Crow. Raven, for example, is a trickster, but it's not true he brings bad luck. He just likes to help us, and guide us, and teach us powerful things, in funny and amusing ways. He is not a bad omen, neither is crow, they are very powerful and good signs. You may want to examine your thoughts around the time you saw it, or examine what you were doing - Crow or Raven may be trying to teach you something amazing, or perhaps steering you away from trouble.

Anyways, the very same thing happened to me. So I will gladly share my story, you may get something from it.

It was during the summer and i frequently ran into crow feathers, and my little buddies would follow me everywhere. Every time i was gifted with a feather, it was a good thing. They are peculiar birds, they work in mysterious ways, but never will they bring misfortune. I was doing very good for awhile, meaning, my life was uplifted, i was on a good path.
However, something happened to steer me off course, and i began to indulge in drinking with friends down by the park.
Upon riding my bike to the park, i was battling my mind of, should i drink or not today. And then, i saw a dead crow on the side of the road.
At once i knew why I found him. It was not a good idea to drink. All i knew was i had to give him a sacred burial, and do a ceremony, and that i had been gifted this amazing thing, thus drinking was not in the question anyways. I had a ceremony for him, offered him tobacco, and left him by a river shore, which felt to me like the right thing to do, and I took his wing so i could use it in ceremonies down the road. Unfortunately, i was not in a good mind space back then, and i went back to drinking later down the road, and lost the wing. My gift was taken back because i messed up. It may have been wrong of me to take his wing in the first place. But all i know, was the the dead crow, was a good sign, of guidance, steering me back onto the right road. It's our choice if we follow it or not, or if we want to understand what the message is. Of course, we find death, as something bad. But it really is not a bad thing, it is such an amazing thing. To find a dead crow is rare, and very amazing and powerful. It would be good to give such an amazing and powerful creature a proper burial. Perhaps he may even want to be your spirit guide.

whitewing
17-12-2010, 01:47 PM
crow and raven are different size ,raven is a lot bigger , even squashed ravens beak will look big.
crow is a peace keeper, often sent to settle arguements or problems.
raven is the master of magic and illusion, if one of these apply to you then you will know what bird person you saw that brought you this message. hope you find this helpful x x x x
love and light .
whitewing

whitewing
18-12-2010, 10:29 AM
raven is a lot bigger than crow even when squashed by car x x x x huge beak and size in general ,raven is the master of cunning magic and illusion, where crow is the peace keeper will help to settle problems fights etc....
crow is often called the magistrate .
if that helps you with any of your problems, so if you need a problem sorted call upon the crow.
love and light

kindheart
20-12-2010, 04:10 PM
It was a crow... and I just came across another crow who had just gotten run over by a car, in the middle of another smaller street close to my place... what's going on? I don't like this...

I keep wanting for me and that guy I talked about earlier to make peace, we aren't talking and he refuses to talk to me, so I gave up trying a few days ago. But I miss him and wished at least we could be friends again. Would it have to do with that? Is it telling me that things are better off the way they are, separate ways, no talking, no friends, no peace?

kindheart
20-12-2010, 08:57 PM
and that guy just emailed me out of the blue after a couple weeks of no talking to me to say he needed time away and to say despite all this he wished me a merry xmas and happy new year... i miss him so much.......