Are The Majority Of Spiritual Mediums Wrong

[Serenity69]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?

[Jenny Crow]

Yes, I've had that happen to me. Like you I've had a medium give me messages from family on the other side that were absolutely right on, even using the words and syntax of the deceased person! And I've had other mediums give me messages that I just did not relate to.

I don't know what happens but there is a very popular medium in my area who can attract big crowds but he's losing his touch I think - he prompts and prods and people are not as satisfied with him as they used to be.

[LadyMay]

I think most of them are wrong.. but there are some genuine ones.

[Manifesting29/11]

I find it helpful to get information from two skilled psychics. If they confirm each other, I am certainly going to listen very carefully to the message.

[Papa Bear]

Hi Serenity,
It may be worth considering, that a Spiritual medium reflects a Spiritual source reflection. If what they reflect is `not` a Spiritual source reflection, then they are not Spiritual mediums in that reflection. The right and wrong of it, is more reflective of whether they are Spiritual mediums, rather than whether Spiritual mediums are `wrong`.

[mick]

Hi,
As a frequent visitor to spiritualist churches, i have come to the conclusion that about 90% of platform mediums are not very good. They may believe they are genuine but they fish for clues from the audience. Of the remaining 10% i think around 8% are quite good. They give information that only you would know. That leaves 2 out of 100 who i think are the real deal. They know things about you that they shouldn`t know.
Never expect too much from a visit to a spiritualist church. It may take 7 visits before you get a message yourself. The more you go, the more you will be able to seperate the good from the not so good but above all, enjoy the experience.

[Immie07]

Yes I've witnessed this a lot. I always remind myself that if the message doesn't make sense, either the medium is wrong or the recipient is failing to place the information correctly. Spirit are never wrong.

[lenvdb64]

It is truly hit and miss.

I am beginning to think it is not that the MEDIUM is wrong, but that the information they get from the entity on the other side or their spirit guide is wrong.

My partner himself is currently in Development Circle as a medium in his church. The stuff he comes up with is good accurate, but others in his circle seem to take the messages they get as Gospel, where I made it clear that you cannot do that.

I operate more on the psychic level and did a Tarot card reading a few wks ago. 3 Cards came up :
1) 4 of swords
2) Death
3) 3 of Swords

We were quite concerned that we would seriously experience a death of someone close to us.

The next day in his circle the others in his circle gave him a mouthful for doing Tarot Card readings, because it was too DARK, and he should rather walk in the LIGHT.

My first response was - What a load of B..S..t!!
Tarot is about the connection to my Higher Self to get a glimpse into the reality that transcends this reality we live in, which is only appearance anyway. I consider myself well connected to my Higher Self. I would much rather get guidance from my HS than from some Uncle who died 45 years ago whom I never knew.

The next day my Car packed up after 8 years, and died a death. The gearbox broke and the repairs would cost too much. That week I sold the car for scrap and bought a new car, but the loss was certainly felt. ( 3 of Swords)

I tend to feel that I cannot take the messages from the mediums as gospel. Non-physical entities can easily be as wrong as we are. As mick said - go for the experience and enjoy!

[Star Wolf Medicine Woman]

I became disillusioned with Sp churches and moved to an sp group, it was better.. But even so, there will always be mediums that think they are right and giving good evidence, yet they may be completely wrong and, if I say, 'No I cannot take that' I do not expect to have an aggressive Medium telling me I must!!!
I sat in Circle for 5 years and actually taught circle.. He did not know that... I was not about to tell him...
Churches and groups are not right for everyone, and yes I am critical of other mediums as I know how it should be and 'fishing' indicates a 'Cold Reader' just trotting out generalisations...
There are good Mediums about but maybe no so on your current circuit, try an out of the area group... You may well be surprised..

[The Back Seat]

There is no right or wrong on the otherside. Even if it seems wrong, there are deeper meaning to everything.

[Gem]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?

Prolly find that most are 'winging it', and only occasionally one is more certain, then there'd be some discretion about what should or shouldn't be said, and it's not like 'spill all the beans', so the things that are said often don't ring true, and when it does ring true it isn't the whole picture.

[wanchain]

A medium is like a phone. You are the one dialing, and spirit is the one receiving your call.

What the spirit chooses to say or not say, you have no control over.
Which spirit decides to pick up your call, you have no control over.
Whether the intended spirit is intervened or interfered by another mischievous/malicious spirit, you don't know, and you have no control over.

The list goes on. The bottom line is, you have no control over what comes through. The medium is only a tool, a phone.

[Gem]

A medium is like a phone. You are the one dialing, and spirit is the one receiving your call.

What the spirit chooses to say or not say, you have no control over.
Which spirit decides to pick up your call, you have no control over.
Whether the intended spirit is intervened or interfered by another mischievous/malicious spirit, you don't know, and you have no control over.

The list goes on. The bottom line is, you have no control over what comes through. The medium is only a tool, a phone.

But wouldn't a medium be discerning about what to say, and what not to say?

[wanchain]

But wouldn't a medium be discerning about what to say, and what not to say?

Does your phone discern what to say or what not to say?

[SLO7H]

There is no right or wrong on the otherside. Even if it seems wrong, there are deeper meaning to everything.
This is not helping in any way lol :P

[anditmakesmewonder]

To the OP, my answer is Idk.
I'm visiting a spiritualist group but I just go to public sessions, I've never been to the circle.
Last night one of them asked me to check a couple of messages, letters channeled by mediums while we were sit there listening to the expositor.
Thing is I'm not really expecting any message, Ive never even noticed those letters there on my previous visits. I just go there 'cause I feel more comfortable about how they treat many subjects of spiritual development. You know, telling us to grow and learn even with disappointments in life instead of blaming others or devil like most of churches I've been do.
So anyway I scanned them quickly as most of people were interested in finding one letter for them but I didn't see anything relevant to me.
One thing I noticed was someone calling a guy, to which he replied he had already checked but there was nothing for him that day, implying he had received messages in other occasion.
Very well, I'm half believer, half skeptic. That's just me but while I was reading I could only think that all letters seemed generic...perhaps just to me Idk. I felt like Gem just said:
Prolly find that most are 'winging it', and only occasionally one is more certain, then there'd be some discretion about what should or shouldn't be said, and it's not like 'spill all the beans', so the things that are said often don't ring true, and when it does ring true it isn't the whole picture.

Most letters were for an aunt, for a mother...from sons, from husbands, etc. They're almost all signed, only exception being 2. One I saw no signature and another one was just 2 initials.

Can't just they address the person by name instead of calling mom, dad? Or limiting the message to one person would increase the chances of it not being correct?


I don't mean to be offensive but I could come up with such stories in a short space of time, I mean, I don't channel, but I have an active mind for writing and I can come up with stuff quite easily. But then again that's me. Just last week I realized I have hypergraphia and I guess it's associated with me being bipolar.

So it really leaves me wondering about if some mediums perhaps may have not the intent to lie or fake, but they're channeling their inner self or ego and really believe it's a message from someone else.

This spiritual group was founded many years ago, so it's not like they have a bad reputation or anything and they do lots of charity, which is really great.

While I was praying there I was thinking about 2 people, one was my friend that died years ago and is becoming somewhat frequent in my dreams lately; the other was a famous person that died this year that the subject of the week on the spiritualist group reminded me.
In my praying I said to my friend how I never tell any friend ever that I love them, even feeling it, 'cause it was just me, you know. I can't say such things, I'm a kinda blocked person.
So I was walking to my house, passed in front of a bar. It was playing a song where the singer said at the intro: "hey, if you have a friend, tell him/her you love them, it's something we don't usually go saying, that we love your friends, so right now come over hug them, say that you love them."
It's a song about friendship, that I have heard before but definitely wasn't expecting to listen on my way home. At my house, I turn on the TV to watch series and I just see a movie with that famous person that I was thinking.

Are the majority of mediums wrong? Idk, but some messages come to us with no need of mediums and seem very true.

[ReSurrection]

Yes, and that is because 99 percent of mediums are frauds. Mediums recieve messages from demons pretending to be deceased loved ones and demons trick mediums into believing they are getting messages from a divine place. Hence why their readings are wrong,and if they are right, they are getting it from ''the bad place''. That and 99 percent of mediums in the world sadly are straight up frauds.

As a former psychic myself, who has seen dead people and demons since I was 3 years old, the only one I can vouch to you is Allison Dubois. You know that TV series ''Medium'' ? Well it was created for her, and it is about her, and as a former psychic I can tell you for certain that she really is the chosen one,she really really is, all the dead come to her, and the evil ones try to get at her as much as they can.


So if you want a true sound psychic advise on planet Earth she is the only one I can guarantee,and I seriously mean that.

Sadly, all other mediums are just frauds and-or getting their knowledge from the demonic. I myself had lots of problems with this when I embraced my psychic powers because I would see a dead little girl only to discover that was a demon that took her form and was feeding me wrong messages and etc.

What you need to do when a so called ''medium'' ( fraud ) from your chruch gives some ''message'' tell them to command whatever ''spirit'' they are speaking to to confess in the name of Christ that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Demons wont be able to do that. That came extremelly usefull to me because these things came looking like my dead grandparent and etc and you see the change when you ask them to confess that Jesus came in the flesh, they have to show their true colors.

[Jenny Crow]

Yes, and that is because 99 percent of mediums are frauds. Mediums recieve messages from demons pretending to be deceased loved ones and demons trick mediums into believing they are getting messages from a divine place

Sadly, all other mediums are just frauds and-or getting their knowledge from the demonic.


This MAY be true some of the time, but to say carte blanche that ALL OTHER mediums are just frauds and/or getting their knowledge from the demonic is true all of the time is just not correct; it's more along the lines of fearmongering.

Sorry but Dubois is just not the only true medium on the face of earth

[Everly]

I'm a little confused. Here in the US, "Spiritualist Church" refers to a church that follows the specific religion of Spiritualism.
What is Spiritualism? (http://www.cassadaga.org/whatitis.htm)
Is it the same in England?

[Everly]

Oh, for pity's sake. Here we go with the fear-mongering again (Resurrection). The rants about demons would be funny if they weren't so dangerous to inquiring minds who are seeking open-minded responses.

[Adrienne]

Yes, and that is because 99 percent of mediums are frauds. Mediums recieve messages from demons pretending to be deceased loved ones and demons trick mediums into believing they are getting messages from a divine place. Hence why their readings are wrong,and if they are right, they are getting it from ''the bad place''. That and 99 percent of mediums in the world sadly are straight up frauds.



Come on now ReSurrection, and yes ... I have heard you are a former psychic, enough of these demon scaring replies ! I agree with Everly and Jenny Crow you are bordering on fear mongering again....

not everything has a demon connection, as you seem to think it does ....

and there is absolutely no proof, that " 99 percent of mediums in the world sadly are straight up frauds."

[Adrienne]

Oh, for pity's sake. Here we go with the fear-mongering again (Resurrection). The rants about demons would be funny if they weren't so dangerous to inquiring minds who are seeking open-minded responses.

Exactly ! .....

[Everly]

To address the OP's original question...

- No medium is right 100% of the time.

- If a medium is wrong 100% of the time, it's best to go elsewhere.

- Sometimes what seems to be wrong "in the real world" is correct symbolically.

- Sometimes the information is actually for someone else (usually someone nearby or who is known to the client).

- Sometimes the information refers to the future and in the "translation", this isn't clear.

- Any medium can sometimes misunderstand what's being communicated.

- It's okay to tell a medium that s/he is way off base. This can help clarify and get things back on track.

- I know many good mediums. They're all really good people with really good hearts. As much as I like and respect them, none of them is 100% right 100% of the time.

- Being a medium is not fear-based unless fear is in the medium's head and heart. They do not bring demons or other negativity forth. If they do, they are the ones who are charlatans.

- As for the rather pathetic Allison Dubois, even modest search using the term allison dubois drunk housewives will reveal just how nasty and mean she really is. I wouldn't trust someone that mean with a baloney sandwich. (One of my best friends has a close family member who was on the crew for RHOBH.)

[Emmalevine]

I've never been impressed by mediums I've seen in spiritualist churches. They were blatantly trying to prod the audience for tidbits of info that they could then build on and use to convince someone they'd really made contact with their loved one. It's not difficult for them to do as obviously people want to believe. As an outsider at the time, I was pretty shocked.

I've had a few private readings and most weren't convincing. I was on the fence with one and another was very good. This led me to believe they are genuine mediums out there, but these are outnumbered by the fake ones.

[CrystalSong]

I've not been to spiritual church ones, but have seen and spoke with numerous mediums and psychics.
We have a few really great ones right here on this forum... there's one I go to whenever I get something from Spirit but am not sure I got it completely right or understood all aspects of what I was told.

Other forums I've been on also I've found a few 'beginner psychics' with absolutely Startling knowledge and connection to the Beyond, they confirmed contact first by describing me (I had a allergic reaction itch on my arms and she asked if I was the person in the house with that, because she was picking up 2 other females the house - there were 2 others and I was the itchy one lol). then when she made contact with a family member who'd past over she described multiple scenes only he and I knew about, described his manner of passing from this world and then delivered his message and acted as a go - between so we could talk to each other. Before it was over he gave me an energy hug which knocked my socks off! It was a PROFOUND EXPERIENCE!

In Florida theres a medium named Joseph La Bhutto who's an amazing channel, he doesn't dig except to describe what he's seeing to get the right person in the room, then his level of detail and such is incredible. He'll ask why he's being shown a vial on a chain and the person will lift a necklace and say it is the ashes of the deceased one, and so on for verification that he has the right spirit or the right person. I've seen him do tremendous good for mourning families and families in which there was a suicide, by connecting the person who suicide through and letting them explain why and how to move on with life now.
I've gone several times to sit in his open sessions because its just so incredible to watch.

I've also been to a few of his classes, those aren't very good though, too basic. But we can all be everything right? lol

Over all I'd say I'm hitting over 80% in finding very talented mediums and psychics when needed.

[wmsm]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?
Spiritualist mediums were once very precise and correct with information, which is how they established their own Church and following.

Is it any wonder to any of us today with Scientists probing and experimenting spirit that changes have happened to our psyche?

Spiritualists like any psychic use past life living records to not only hear the spirit, but for visiting light family spirits to speak through.

Scientists at NASA have also contacted this record via devil communications after studying and accessing brain and psyche relays from the study of psychics and mediums in laboratory experiments.

Since this has occurred as a direct satellite relayed study of our psyche, human beings world wide suddenly changed their psyche condition.

Many actual psychics became mentally disturbed.

Suddenly life was inundated with human beings gaining psychic and spiritual messages, a circumstance that was previously limited to only a few human psychics.

This circumstance informs us all about spiritual interference given and caused by scientific studies of our psychic and spiritual life by occult Scientists who have placed extra devil or burnt windows in our natural recorded life record so that they too could listen and hear deceased spirits speaking.

This has disturbed the natural psychic relays that we all belong to, along with a change in our natural DNA cellular conditions.

[Lynn]

There is no right or wrong on the otherside. Even if it seems wrong, there are deeper meaning to everything.

Hello


Now this is the statement I was looking for. There is meaning to all messages maybe we just are not hearing from whom we want to hear from is all as they have nothing of value to give us.

I do platform work, and at times it does seem like I have been wrong, for a person to some how randomly find me again and go you know that message from like 6 months ago now you were right on. I have no clue what the message was and at times do not recognize the person speaking to me but I am blessed to hear that.

There is no right or wrong only that flow of energy. Yes there are always going to be some that seek false profits from the work they do but that is their path of Karma as it does have a bite.

I had one from a spiritualist church tell me I was not a "true" Medium as I rarely gave the name of a person, names have no meaning in Spirit they are a tool used here. We come to be energy vibrations in Spirit and we are all that same knowing of others. What I find more powerful is to give a description, some characteristic or mark the person has that says "yes" that for sure is my Dad or Uncle ext.

I remember one lady that had quite a few dead husbands and she wanted to hear from any one of them. One came in over the rest but it was not clear it was just the "one" so he in spirit dropped his pants for me and showed me a large mole on his parts.....I told her that and she goes OMG that is one of my husbands and he so liked to show off that mole to friends at parties !

I had no name but I had something to identify him by. Now not all would share that information openly but he did drop his pants in the living.


Lynn

[Native spirit]

I have to agree with lynn yesterday a woman came up to me she said that I gave her a reading two years ago,she didn't believe all that I said,now she does because it has all happened,
because a reading is not given to everyone some feel left out,but if they listen to the message given even if its not to them,they can take comfort from them knowing their loved ones are ok. and that is all some ppl want to know.


Namaste

[lenvdb64]

One of the requirements to working with Spirit is to learn to work with Energy and be able at least to understand the nature of energy and vibrations.

Angels have a very different vibration to demons.

Mediums and Psychics should KNOW this, and be familiar with vibrations.
Ignorant people who do not know this assume that everything out there is a demon. Such is the nature of fear mongering.

Mediums who receive messages usually connect to a Spirit Guide (We ALL have our own Spirit Guides, whether we know it or not!) who would bring someone from the Astral Plane to deliver a message to communication. Usually your Spirit Guides are contracted to you to protect and shield you from astral entities from the lower Astral planes. If you do not operate with the use of a Spirit guide, then you need to get this in place.

In this plane of reality when we work with the mundane we follow protocols.

If I want to fly a plane, I require some intensive training, and need to study and pass exams.
Then I need to get some practise and gain flying hours.
Once I qualify I can get into a real plane and fly it as a trained qualified pilot.

Now, If I want to work for Spirit, why should it be any different?
I need to learn to become sensitive to vibrational energies of non-physical entities.
I need to develop my required skills whether it be mediumship or other psychic skills. Read up about it, study the topic, do the required meditations, and practise.
Study theory, and practise. Repeat. Keep repeating till I get it right.
I need to practice these skills in a development area that is safe.
I need to become aware of my Spirit Guides and follow their guidance and instructions etc.
Once I am fully trained and skilled in the area of my gift, I would be able to function in this area.

I don't just one day stand on a platform and pretend to be channelling someone who I perceive whose name begins with an "R" who may or may not be an aunt or a mother figure blah blah blah.
This is where charlatans come from.

[wmsm]

One of the requirements to working with Spirit is to learn to work with Energy and be able at least to understand the nature of energy and vibrations.

Angels have a very different vibration to demons.

Mediums and Psychics should KNOW this, and be familiar with vibrations.
Ignorant people who do not know this assume that everything out there is a demon. Such is the nature of fear mongering.

Mediums who receive messages usually connect to a Spirit Guide (We ALL have our own Spirit Guides, whether we know it or not!) who would bring someone from the Astral Plane to deliver a message to communication. Usually your Spirit Guides are contracted to you to protect and shield you from astral entities from the lower Astral planes. If you do not operate with the use of a Spirit guide, then you need to get this in place.

In this plane of reality when we work with the mundane we follow protocols.

If I want to fly a plane, I require some intensive training, and need to study and pass exams.
Then I need to get some practise and gain flying hours.
Once I qualify I can get into a real plane and fly it as a trained qualified pilot.

Now, If I want to work for Spirit, why should it be any different?
I need to learn to become sensitive to vibrational energies of non-physical entities.
I need to develop my required skills whether it be mediumship or other psychic skills. Read up about it, study the topic, do the required meditations, and practise.
Study theory, and practise. Repeat. Keep repeating till I get it right.
I need to practice these skills in a development area that is safe.
I need to become aware of my Spirit Guides and follow their guidance and instructions etc.
Once I am fully trained and skilled in the area of my gift, I would be able to function in this area.

I don't just one day stand on a platform and pretend to be channelling someone who I perceive whose name begins with an "R" who may or may not be an aunt or a mother figure blah blah blah.
This is where charlatans come from.

Charlatans come in many forms.

Today in our society, occult Scientists who studied Mediums, the channels and also messages of spirit are themselves involved in brain contact and the study of receiving spiritual messages.

These occult Scientists are trying to find where human beings make contact with the light signals from spirit as they have advised us all that they are researching what they describe is the God Cell or the God Heaven that human spirit is in contact with.

This is because many psychics under experimental studies gave these scientists access to the brains communications.

Therefore nowadays the Spiritualist Medium has unknowingly been in contact with the scientific relayed experiments, now causing many Mediums to lose their previous received messages, as Occult Scientists at NASA has introduced an interference signal.

As this interference signal is a long way away from spiritual light sound, it is only heard by us on the lower psychic register, which we ignore as "Spiritualists", but sadly many Mediums do not realize that Scientists have us in contact.

The demonstration of losing their Spiritual channels and giving false information on the increase in the Spiritual Church forum should be a warning to all of us.

I hope you believe me, as I first gained my own awareness as a psychic medium and Healer through the Spiritualist tradition.

Scientists using our channels do not want us to be aware of what they are involved in....yet you would probably find that in our spiritual messages we would also be warned by the light spirit who has been trying to inform us all on a psychic level what these evil occultists are achieving.

[Everly]

Scientists at NASA have also contacted this record via devil communications after studying and accessing brain and psyche relays from the study of psychics and mediums in laboratory experiments.

Huh? "Devil communications" at NASA? Where did you get this information?

[Adrienne]

I just realized .... Everly already asked my question, lol .

[wmsm]

Huh? "Devil communications" at NASA? Where did you get this information?
NASA has been studying the occult, released documents discuss this occult program, NASA funded for the occult studies and human kind worldwide demonstrate the evil spirit attacks as per data.

NASA wants the God cell, as a psychic/spiritual/creative phenomena realization of the human psyche involving the hearing of voices/mental condition/spiritual and psyche condition of brain chemical changes.

Ancient documents and ancient studies of the Christ/Satanic evaluations demonstrated to occult Scientists that mental health as a condition of hearing voices is similar to psychics hearing of voices and also demonic attacks as a personal human review.

Occult Scientists therefore contacted by psychic information/brain channeled wavelengths/mental health condition the radiation wavelengths where evil spirits are heard and seen in the human brain mental condition.

Wanting to own the evaluated documented Christ and Satan data of ancient wisdom they began an illegal satellite atmospheric to ground state transmitted feedback program contacting the human mind involving the evil imagery and signals of speaking beings human life has always been attacked by.

Therefore psychics worldwide as Spiritualists had their brain states altered and the natural Spiritualist tradition of passing on messages altered and many Spiritualists lost their own communications as NASA occult Scientists connected our psyche to the devil transmitted star radiations signals.

They also began to study the human DNA signals of mutated radioactive chemical changes that relate to the hearing of voices, the gaining of messages and began to study the Spiritualist trying to identify where human beings were gaining the higher spirit messages from to create a data based computer artificial program involving the God cell information.

This is a fact.

This is why many psychics gained mental health changes and also spiritual attacks...just a warning to advise all of us who were innocent of this evil program and have been used by these Scientists as a study model.

[Everly]

You still didn't answer my question. Where did you get this information?

[wmsm]

You still didn't answer my question. Where did you get this information?
I gained the information by being a victim of the circumstance of becoming part of the experiment for a data research investigation of the higher and lower conscious condition in humanity.

Occult Scientists by research of spirit phenomena which happened after the 1900s UFO huge fallout occurrence, and the actual attacks on human life provided scientists with the evidence of ancient wisdom and spiritual advice.

Therefore they believed in both circumstances via actual scientific investigation of the phenomena.

This led them to create an occult program to investigate the condition, to gain control of the condition for a future resource study and also the realization of a condition for mind contact/mind control via the transmissions being caused as an occult process.

As I have lived for many years as a Spiritual Medium and Healer, I was investigated by them and then used on purpose as an attack model to gain the alter condition of an evil state of possession. Hence I do know what I am talking about.

They have been using humanity as a purposeful attack model, to then gain the discussions of their victims of the Internet so that they can form a data of human kinds chemical mind/DNA circumstance for a self evident gain of the condition that they want as a GOD aspect versus star system SATAN.

This is why I know.

[metal68]

Are these documents available anywhere??

[adamkade]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?

When I do meduimship sometimes I work psychically first. But even though I work psychically I am still working spiritual because I always work from the right intention.

I have a friend that I have helped. He has warmed my heart. He has gone to spiritual churches for a long while. I remember him many years ago and he was always discontent with everything he got from a meduim. The messages never quite connected.

He rang me the other day and said that he had met a meduim and told her that his friend (me) had given more understanding than all of his times when he went to a spiritualist church. Bless him. He said to me on the phone. "I can really talk to you and you seem to understand what I am talking about."

I remember saying to him once that he had all the answers. That spirit couldn't give him anything through a meduim. "Why should spirit give a message to you through the lips of a meduim when they have already spoken to your heart but you don't trust yourself to know what truth is and more importantly what truth isn't." I told him that spirit had been talking to him through the meduim of his own heart all his live but he was to busy looking for truth outside himself.

When you look for the Divine in the sky and can't see it for all your looking. Then check the end of your nose first. There might be a little man there with a sign saying "truth"

[adamkade]

It is truly hit and miss.

I am beginning to think it is not that the MEDIUM is wrong, but that the information they get from the entity on the other side or their spirit guide is wrong.

My partner himself is currently in Development Circle as a medium in his church. The stuff he comes up with is good accurate, but others in his circle seem to take the messages they get as Gospel, where I made it clear that you cannot do that.

I operate more on the psychic level and did a Tarot card reading a few wks ago. 3 Cards came up :
1) 4 of swords
2) Death
3) 3 of Swords

We were quite concerned that we would seriously experience a death of someone close to us.

The next day in his circle the others in his circle gave him a mouthful for doing Tarot Card readings, because it was too DARK, and he should rather walk in the LIGHT.

My first response was - What a load of B..S..t!!
Tarot is about the connection to my Higher Self to get a glimpse into the reality that transcends this reality we live in, which is only appearance anyway. I consider myself well connected to my Higher Self. I would much rather get guidance from my HS than from some Uncle who died 45 years ago whom I never knew.

The next day my Car packed up after 8 years, and died a death. The gearbox broke and the repairs would cost too much. That week I sold the car for scrap and bought a new car, but the loss was certainly felt. ( 3 of Swords)

I tend to feel that I cannot take the messages from the mediums as gospel. Non-physical entities can easily be as wrong as we are. As mick said - go for the experience and enjoy!
I think people just do the best that they can. Many times I work psychically. I mean communication with the spiritual or Celestial is good but we all here to work it out for ourselves. Mediums haven't got all the answers. Mediums are just people like you or I, but they have worked at it and have gotten it right. But their still human beings. I think it is a three way communication. There is the sitter, there is the medium and there is the consciousness which wishes to communicate. If the sitter was getting it right, the truth is, they wouldn't need a medium at all.

However, mediums at one point or another open themselves to spiritual communication and got what they needed. Then they went along in life, messed things up, went back and meditated, listened and then got back on the path of right thinking again. Then one day, they thought to themselves: "hey, I really am getting this stuff together, maybe, if I can do this for myself, maybe I can do it for others too! They have a go and get more successes than failures.

I have done mediumship and it has worked out more times than it hasn't. Strangely I have had difficulty with giving messages to spiritualists. (you would think it would be easier)

Recently I have had a telling off. It was a subtle telling off. But I have been going through life just getting it right for myself, just doing medium-ship for myself. I don't really care for impressing others or proving myself. In fact I don't give two hoots what any one thinks, whether they think one way or another (not that I am having a go at you or anything because I think you bring up some good observations) but last Friday a friend came over and offered to give me a lift to the spiritualist church.

So I went along and got told that I had a gift and that I should use that gift. There is this lady, whose brother (he is in the spirit world) has been coming to me for years. He just shares a few thoughts with me etc.

Anyway, I sensed that he wanted me to have a word with his sister. I mean I don't know what to say. He didn't give me a message to tell her. So I decided to just let it slide. I mean what do I do? Simply walk up to her front door and tell her that her brother comes to me and chats to me .

Anyway, that Friday I told the medium that. She said that maybe I should. It was so funny to see her face. Because I am a really outside spoken chap (outspoken but respectful) Anyway Monday came along. I went to the town where my children live (and my daughters friend, her Mother is the sister of this fella in the spirit world)

I got this vibe. So I thought to hell with it. So I went over to her door, knocked on it, and told her about her brother and how he comes to chat with me sometimes. She was okay with it, really okay with it.

I got it off me chest lol and feel a lot better for it. Anyhows - I don't know why I written any of this. Maybe it will help someone understand something.

[adamkade]

To the OP, my answer is Idk.
I'm visiting a spiritualist group but I just go to public sessions, I've never been to the circle.
Last night one of them asked me to check a couple of messages, letters channeled by mediums while we were sit there listening to the expositor.
Thing is I'm not really expecting any message, Ive never even noticed those letters there on my previous visits. I just go there 'cause I feel more comfortable about how they treat many subjects of spiritual development. You know, telling us to grow and learn even with disappointments in life instead of blaming others or devil like most of churches I've been do.
So anyway I scanned them quickly as most of people were interested in finding one letter for them but I didn't see anything relevant to me.
One thing I noticed was someone calling a guy, to which he replied he had already checked but there was nothing for him that day, implying he had received messages in other occasion.
Very well, I'm half believer, half skeptic. That's just me but while I was reading I could only think that all letters seemed generic...perhaps just to me Idk. I felt like Gem just said:


Most letters were for an aunt, for a mother...from sons, from husbands, etc. They're almost all signed, only exception being 2. One I saw no signature and another one was just 2 initials.

Can't just they address the person by name instead of calling mom, dad? Or limiting the message to one person would increase the chances of it not being correct?


I don't mean to be offensive but I could come up with such stories in a short space of time, I mean, I don't channel, but I have an active mind for writing and I can come up with stuff quite easily. But then again that's me. Just last week I realized I have hypergraphia and I guess it's associated with me being bipolar.

So it really leaves me wondering about if some mediums perhaps may have not the intent to lie or fake, but they're channeling their inner self or ego and really believe it's a message from someone else.

This spiritual group was founded many years ago, so it's not like they have a bad reputation or anything and they do lots of charity, which is really great.

While I was praying there I was thinking about 2 people, one was my friend that died years ago and is becoming somewhat frequent in my dreams lately; the other was a famous person that died this year that the subject of the week on the spiritualist group reminded me.
In my praying I said to my friend how I never tell any friend ever that I love them, even feeling it, 'cause it was just me, you know. I can't say such things, I'm a kinda blocked person.
So I was walking to my house, passed in front of a bar. It was playing a song where the singer said at the intro: "hey, if you have a friend, tell him/her you love them, it's something we don't usually go saying, that we love your friends, so right now come over hug them, say that you love them."
It's a song about friendship, that I have heard before but definitely wasn't expecting to listen on my way home. At my house, I turn on the TV to watch series and I just see a movie with that famous person that I was thinking.

Are the majority of mediums wrong? Idk, but some messages come to us with no need of mediums and seem very true.

You are spot on. I have had loads of experiences like this. It is about really tuning into the Divine frequency. I know that sounds like a very hippie thing to say, and trust me, I am not a hippie but it is the truth. I have finally come to understand. It's all about tuning into spiritual frequency. The truth is every person is able to tune in to the spiritual frequency. Just think about that. Think of the best meduim you have ever experienced. You are just as able to tune into the spiritual frequency as that medium.

There is a spiritual fog which surrounds us all on this material realm. It makes us forget who and what we truly are. We are daughter's and son's of the Divine Being. We are immensely powerful. But what we believe we create in our reality.

There is being and from the being there comes thought. Then thought knits itself together and creates belief. Belief is really: our conception of what is. Being begets thought and thought begets belief and belief begets action and action begets experience and then it feeds back into itself. This is a basic outline of how it works. We conceive and draw our conception on our experience and our experience is created by ourselves, ultimately.

In short, what you seek you will find. If you believe that everything amounts to nothing then you will find this "truth" in your experience. Because behind every thought this belief will reside. So then because the underneath belief is what fuels action which in turn creates the experience. Then your experience will always be self confirming.

However, thankfully, the Divine also has some input and gives his/her input when he/she is able to. And to the extent that the Divine is able have input is according to the individual. Belief is a doorway which is either closed or open. But the Divine only needs the smallest of spaces to squeeze herself into your experience.

All we need is a mustard seed of faith. In fact, if we have faith enough to genuinely ask a question then that is all the faith we need for the answer to be experienced in our reality.

Well, I hope that no one got to bored with reading so many words. I just felt like reaching out.

[adamkade]

Charlatans come in many forms.

Today in our society, occult Scientists who studied Mediums, the channels and also messages of spirit are themselves involved in brain contact and the study of receiving spiritual messages.

These occult Scientists are trying to find where human beings make contact with the light signals from spirit as they have advised us all that they are researching what they describe is the God Cell or the God Heaven that human spirit is in contact with.

This is because many psychics under experimental studies gave these scientists access to the brains communications.

Therefore nowadays the Spiritualist Medium has unknowingly been in contact with the scientific relayed experiments, now causing many Mediums to lose their previous received messages, as Occult Scientists at NASA has introduced an interference signal.

As this interference signal is a long way away from spiritual light sound, it is only heard by us on the lower psychic register, which we ignore as "Spiritualists", but sadly many Mediums do not realize that Scientists have us in contact.

The demonstration of losing their Spiritual channels and giving false information on the increase in the Spiritual Church forum should be a warning to all of us.

I hope you believe me, as I first gained my own awareness as a psychic medium and Healer through the Spiritualist tradition.

Scientists using our channels do not want us to be aware of what they are involved in....yet you would probably find that in our spiritual messages we would also be warned by the light spirit who has been trying to inform us all on a psychic level what these evil occultists are achieving.

With respect and a lot of love I have to say you are entirely wrong. But that is okay. Who is the person that decides what is true or false? I am an authority for my own self and I decide what is true and false for me. Also, sometimes when I am working I do feel a misaligned influence. It happened tonight actually and I reached out and asked my guide for help. He came and placed his hands on my shoulders. Then I was directed toward some research and a teacher from the spirit world stepped forward and helped with it.

It was very interesting and extremely educating. After the research was done I was directed here. So hello everyone - big wave.

I have been to many circles. Like all things there is a season for everything but when it is time to leave it is best to make like a tree and leave. I am a very strong willed person. I have done meduimship on platform and of course I have done it in my life too. I am getting it more right now than I have before but there is always so much more to learn. I have come to know that there is so much that I don't know. I am constantly changing and re-conceptionalising (is that even a word?) everything. Every time my understand grows then I become aware that everything has changed again. But it is not the external world which is changing it is me. Sometimes when I pause and think of all the changes that occurs to me even in a few days it is dazzling. It's like I am on a spiritual rocket ship. But it is a nice feeling.

Life get's hard sometimes but after would it always so worth it. I have to remember that behind every perceived problem there is a magnificent spiritual opportunity for growth.

Love you all.

[LavenderMoon]

It is truly hit and miss.

I am beginning to think it is not that the MEDIUM is wrong, but that the information they get from the entity on the other side or their spirit guide is wrong.
Yes, that's exactly how I see it. I've received messages that were so unbelievably accurate, and others that were either wrong or obviously meant for somebody else. In fact, quite some time ago I was being given a message by a medium I'd seen before, and it turned out that that specific message was meant for a lady who was sitting behind me at the time of the reading.

Although having said that, it's important that the receiver also be focussed/'tuned in' (particularly on the reader's energy). This makes the reader's job just that little bit easier... as you can imagine. This certainly helps me out. ;)

[Howla Dark]

Mediums are able to help solve mysteries and locate some missing persons.

[wmsm]

With respect and a lot of love I have to say you are entirely wrong. But that is okay. Who is the person that decides what is true or false? I am an authority for my own self and I decide what is true and false for me. Also, sometimes when I am working I do feel a misaligned influence. It happened tonight actually and I reached out and asked my guide for help. He came and placed his hands on my shoulders. Then I was directed toward some research and a teacher from the spirit world stepped forward and helped with it.

It was very interesting and extremely educating. After the research was done I was directed here. So hello everyone - big wave.

I have been to many circles. Like all things there is a season for everything but when it is time to leave it is best to make like a tree and leave. I am a very strong willed person. I have done meduimship on platform and of course I have done it in my life too. I am getting it more right now than I have before but there is always so much more to learn. I have come to know that there is so much that I don't know. I am constantly changing and re-conceptionalising (is that even a word?) everything. Every time my understand grows then I become aware that everything has changed again. But it is not the external world which is changing it is me. Sometimes when I pause and think of all the changes that occurs to me even in a few days it is dazzling. It's like I am on a spiritual rocket ship. But it is a nice feeling.

Life get's hard sometimes but after would it always so worth it. I have to remember that behind every perceived problem there is a magnificent spiritual opportunity for growth.

Love you all.

I am discussing my own personal circumstance being a Medium/psychic channeler/Healer, discussing how I was personally abused by occult Science, and that this same Science is actually using many Mediums on Forums as an activated brain/mind/spirit study trying to find the wavelengths that spiritual mediums are interacting with from the atmospheric condition.

They already gained the brain evidence from channelers and psychics who allowed their brains/minds to be studied whilst channeling. I am only warning the public, after being abused myself.

As a spiritual human being this was one of the most dreadful circumstances that a loving mind could find themselves involved in. I am only advising you to be aware.....for the mind is being questioned...not given answers.

Being an informed Medium as information, was proved to my own person in spiritual healing, where the patient did not give any self evidence of the personal ailment. Not only did spirit give us the advice of the ailment, but also the physical/mental/emotional purpose that motivated the ailment to be gained. We always correlated the information from historical books that verified the information was true and correct....and also the medical information was correct.

This was why I knew that I was being informed, for some of the information had been kept secreted and never discussed with anyone....such as being informed of a raped victim by her own Father, which had never been discussed with anyone else. Actual medical x-rays also demonstrated before and after conditions as being healed.

In the channeling I saw the actual spirit presence as a Doctor, as did the other Healers channeling also.

In other Spiritualist circumstances I would go to flower readings where the Spiritualist Minister would channel spirit messages. At times I could see the spirit and I could hear their name. I would wait for the Minister to advise the information, which was exact to what I had seen myself. This is why I knew it was real.

What I know myself about channeling in a group situation...all minds all want the same in the group...contact and a message and it must be very difficult for a Medium to give everyone a message, especially when both spirit and human life want a message given and received. I think the Medium proving information itself is good enough for any of us to witness.

[revolver]

I would think that at least 69% would be wrong.

[wmsm]

A Spiritualist Medium is also a Medium who is learning to be a Medium.

The only way you can become a better Medium is to apply the work, the same as anyone who applies themselves. Therefore some Mediums are better than others and many good Mediums have had many years of spiritual work before they gain a higher success rate.

[revolver]

I would think that at least 69% would be wrong.
69% ?, I meant 99%.

[CelestialOz]

I don't go to spiritualist churches myself, I have been to one or two as I was curious, but I found the mediums who were doing platform readings had difficulty in connecting, Some might believe they are genuine messages, but its something am always been wary off, I find the setup uncomfortable, I have never been a god person, some believe its a gift from god, which there belief system which is ok, I believe we are all born with the gifts and its a part of us naturally, if we put the time and effort in these gifts the information would be more accurate, its skill the more practise the better we become, I always enjoy talking to people who are on their spiritual journeys, even those from a spiritualist church, I have meet some very good and nice mediums, so I do know they are out there, but perhaps not at a spiritualist church, I wish everyone a beautiful spiritual journey. Many Blessings :)

[Shannon]

I suggest reading a book called Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts.

[revolver]

Just about anything we say about another person, that is what we feel about the other person, can apply to any part of their life, its how you take what has been said, and interpret to fit into whatever is happening in your life. This to me is how psychics work, even if you pick any card from a tarot pack, whatever that card is, you will find somewhere in your life to make that card or reading fit.

[GRoyal]

A big problem with mediums not getting it right typically is that the information is being filtered by their ego's, quite often distorting, diluting, or misinterpreting the information. Churches tend to seek truth from a superficial finite perspective, while spirituality seek truth from within, from an infinite source.

[Shivani Devi]

This:

Originally Posted by lenvdb64
It is truly hit and miss.

I am beginning to think it is not that the MEDIUM is wrong, but that the information they get from the entity on the other side or their spirit guide is wrong.

and this:

A big problem with mediums not getting it right typically is that the information is being filtered by their ego's, quite often distorting, diluting, or misinterpreting the information. Churches tend to seek truth from a superficial finite perspective, while spirituality seek truth from within, from an infinite source.

It reminds me of the 'info trail'...In a battle, the general sent a message to his troops; "send reinforcements, we're going to advance" and after this message gets passed on about a dozen times, it loses a bit in the translation...in the end, the message received was "send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance".

It is very much 'hit and miss' because not all entities are truthful and neither are all mediums.

After being a medium myself for about 8 months and seeing all this 'from the inside'...not being able to contact any specific soul directly, from my dead granny to Elvis, and having the spirits play endless jokes on me (I wonder why they haven't pretended to be my granny or Elvis by now). lol

After experiencing all this, I doubt there is any medium who can be 100% accurate. Why haven't the spirits told them anything about the end-of-life process or where they currently reside and how they communicate? Why leave the human race 'in the dark' like this?

I honestly believe that the information mediums receive is for the medium only! This has been reinforced by those umpteen skeptics who have said to me; 'prove you are a medium/clairaudient'. The simple fact is, I cannot. I cannot summon their 'dead sister' and prove it is their 'dead sister'.

I'm also a mentalist who would put Patrick Jane to shame! I am pretty good at it too...I can do a cold read from a mile away, not to mention what happens if I get just a slight bit of information. I am also very observant and can notice stuff like when a person is lying, when a person has 'hidden trauma' etc

If I wanted to fool people and make money from this, I could do it easily, but:

1. I won't pass on the 'facts' to other people unless I am totally sure of them (and of myself) first, and the spirits haven't said anything worth telling another person, really.

2. The more 'fake mediums' there are out there, the more paranormal investigating won't be taken seriously and I am first and foremost a paranormal investigator...being a medium is only secondary to this and I don't want to add to the growing list of those who fool others and make the investigator's job a lot harder.

Anyway, I am rabbiting on again, but I hope this helps explain it from my position. Thank you.

[vespa68]

I was not born with any abilities but had a huge spiritual'awakening after studying reiki. I really had to work hard on knowing my true self (totally agree with adamkade above). The more I would work on myself, the more the spiritual world would open up to me. This is how it works. I was getting pretty good at recieving messages when healing people. My healing abilities also increased as I opened my heart. My vibrations went up further and started to communicate with my guide word for word like I speak to anyone else. He would give me the wrong information to test me so I would listen to my heart instead of just trusting whatever he told me. I am at the point where I can usually tell when he gives me false information but still I am not always accurate. Some people are just born with the abilities but if they have not worked on themselves and are not true to themselves they cannot get accurate information from spirit. They would need an awakening and increase their vibration/frequency. That is how I understand how it'works. It id through the heart where the real truth lies.

[justin65]

Hello,
Yes the big thing about spiritual mediums is the fact that they attracted so many charalatans cashing in. These people caused untold damage to a genuine movement. Its just so hard to find a genuine medium anymore but there are some great ones out there.

[Shinsoo]

Adding my two cents from a similar thread on a different forum.

There aren't that many charlatans out there. The problem is in the quality of the work the medium does--if you want to be a clear channel, you have to be completely free of Ego, or at least dang well close to it in order to channel a message though without distortion.

I wish more people would realize that, rather than assuming that these people are charlatans--most I believe are generally trying their best.

[asmallpanda]

I thought in channeling it's the spirit talking through the person? That's what I experienced. I don't see how the person can mess it up. Is it just the information or communication is going on between the channeler and the spirit and the guy/gal is interpretating?

[Shinsoo]

I thought in channeling it's the spirit talking through the person? That's what I experienced. I don't see how the person can mess it up. Is it just the information or communication is going on between the channeler and the spirit and the guy/gal is interpretating?

Depends on the type--most people are familiar with trance channelers and that is the type I'm referring to. If the channeler has Ego issues, it will distort the message to the person who is hearing the spirit speaking through the channel.

As for conscious channeling or automatic writing I cannot say--I would suspect the same rules apply though, esp for conscious channelers.

[Kerubiel]

Not for me no. My ego doesn't interfere. Consciousness is very direct. YOu see the thoughts and consciosuness of the being you are channeling clearly. Its as if you become them, almost. And so there is never a problem interpreting them, you nearly can become them. At least that is what I have done.

[jimrich]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?
IMO, the whole point of any reading is to walk away satisfied that you received some kind of useful information or had a loving, friendly connection with a departed loved one or pet, etc.
Going there expecting or wanting correct and/or perfect responses and information or to prove the Reader was WRONG may set you up for a huge disappointment if and when the Reader fails to satisfy your need for some kind of "proof" or accuracy.
My late, psychic wife may or may not have been "accurate" but she was always able to give Sitters something of value EXCEPT the few, hostile, confrontive and cynical Guest who were there to win a fight or "expose" her. With those, she just said, "thank you for coming" but did not charge them a penny for her time. She often spoke of those who want to know and get something and those who DON'T. She had nothing to offer the Cynics and Challengers! IMO, the Sitter pretty much impacts the reading with their attitudes and their needs way more than either the Reader of visiting spirit entities can so, the Sitter walks away with whatever they came for or needed. Some leave very happy and some leave very disappointed. Oh well......... :icon_eek:
































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[jimrich]

Hi,
It may take 7 visits before you get a message yourself.
IMO and experience, if one is open and sincere a "message" (whatever that means) can be had in 7 seconds or less. It all depends on the needs and openness of the Seeker but most of them are AFRAID which will spoil the reading! :redface:

[jimrich]

Yes I've witnessed this a lot. I always remind myself that if the message doesn't make sense, either the medium is wrong or the recipient is failing to place the information correctly. Spirit are never wrong.
IMO, it's usually a failing or fault in the Seeker but being right or wrong is not the point! :rolleyes:

[jimrich]

There is no right or wrong on the otherside. Even if it seems wrong, there are deeper meaning to everything.
I agree and believe it's up to the Seeker to catch the "deeper meaning" - sooner or later. :tongue:

[jimrich]

Prolly find that most are 'winging it', and only occasionally one is more certain, then there'd be some discretion about what should or shouldn't be said, and it's not like 'spill all the beans', so the things that are said often don't ring true, and when it does ring true it isn't the whole picture.
My late wife said that there were things she could not or would not tell some Sitters about BUT she always did the best she could and NEVER scammed or conned anyone. She gave them what she could and it was usually good and happy news! :hug2:

[jimrich]

A medium is like a phone. You are the one dialing, and spirit is the one receiving your call.

What the spirit chooses to say or not say, you have no control over.
Which spirit decides to pick up your call, you have no control over.
Whether the intended spirit is intervened or interfered by another mischievous/malicious spirit, you don't know, and you have no control over.

The list goes on. The bottom line is, you have no control over what comes through. The medium is only a tool, a phone.
My late, medium wife, NEVER allowed and so-called "mischievous entity" to cause trouble for her or her Clients even though she acted as a passive conduit for the communication. IMO, all of that is just childish superstition promoted by mean-spirited hucksters! :mad:

[jimrich]

Yes, and that is because 99 percent of mediums are frauds. Mediums recieve messages from demons pretending to be deceased loved ones and demons trick mediums into believing they are getting messages from a divine place. Hence why their readings are wrong,and if they are right, they are getting it from ''the bad place''. That and 99 percent of mediums in the world sadly are straight up frauds.

As a former psychic myself, who has seen dead people and demons since I was 3 years old, the only one I can vouch to you is Allison Dubois. You know that TV series ''Medium'' ? Well it was created for her, and it is about her, and as a former psychic I can tell you for certain that she really is the chosen one,she really really is, all the dead come to her, and the evil ones try to get at her as much as they can.


So if you want a true sound psychic advise on planet Earth she is the only one I can guarantee,and I seriously mean that.

Sadly, all other mediums are just frauds and-or getting their knowledge from the demonic. I myself had lots of problems with this when I embraced my psychic powers because I would see a dead little girl only to discover that was a demon that took her form and was feeding me wrong messages and etc.

What you need to do when a so called ''medium'' ( fraud ) from your chruch gives some ''message'' tell them to command whatever ''spirit'' they are speaking to to confess in the name of Christ that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Demons wont be able to do that. That came extremelly usefull to me because these things came looking like my dead grandparent and etc and you see the change when you ask them to confess that Jesus came in the flesh, they have to show their true colors.
LOL, LOL, LOL. :D

[jimrich]

and acted as a go - between so we could talk to each other. Before it was over he gave me an energy hug which knocked my socks off! It was a PROFOUND EXPERIENCE!
IMO, this is what a good reading is all about - giving the Sitter or Client an EXPERIENCE which does them some good and not just offering up information and details about the past or future. My late wife was able to give this to her Clients, which brought many of them to tears, as they EXPERIENCED their crossed over loved ones for one more time! :hug:

[jimrich]

I have to agree with lynn yesterday a woman came up to me she said that I gave her a reading two years ago,she didn't believe all that I said,now she does because it has all happened,
because a reading is not given to everyone some feel left out,but if they listen to the message given even if its not to them,they can take comfort from them knowing their loved ones are ok. and that is all some ppl want to know.


Namaste
Many times after my late wife gave a reading I'd often ask if there were any messages for her of me since I began to notice that many of the readings for others contained what seemed like useful information for us as well. IMO, much of what is in a "reading" is universal and could work for just about everyone. :smile:

[jimrich]

A big problem with mediums not getting it right typically is that the information is being filtered by their ego's, quite often distorting, diluting, or misinterpreting the information. Churches tend to seek truth from a superficial finite perspective, while spirituality seek truth from within, from an infinite source.
LOL, IMO, (most) churches are built for and by the ego whereas spirituality comes from the Source within everyone and everything which explains the horrifying things churches (the ego) have done and still do.
:icon_frown:

[jimrich]

Adding my two cents from a similar thread on a different forum.

There aren't that many charlatans out there. The problem is in the quality of the work the medium does--if you want to be a clear channel, you have to be completely free of Ego, or at least dang well close to it in order to channel a message though without distortion.

I wish more people would realize that, rather than assuming that these people are charlatans--most I believe are generally trying their best.
IMO, the Client or Sitter needs to be free of their ego as well for any of it to work out or be of any use. The ego can really mess it all up while pretending to be "Mr/Ms Nice". :smile:

[lauterb]

Dear All

First we have to remember that there are spirits of different classes, from ignorant / imperfect to perfect and between these two poles find spirits of all moral qualities and intelligence. From this we can classify communications as follows: coarse, frivolous, serious, and instructive. The Medium´s Book from Allan Kardec (part second Chap X itens 133 to 138)

From the same book the entire chap XX MENTAL AND MORAL INFLUENCE OF THE MEDIUM will clarify all these questions.

3w.ssbaltimore.org/PDF/Mediums.pdf

Good reading!

[Govind]

No we can't say majority of spiritual mediums are wrong, their might be some which have few faults but there are also many spiritual mediums which takes you to path of love, peace, humanity and mankind. they taught us the lessons of togetherness, helping each other and all.

[Patrycia-Rose]

I’ve been seeing mediums since the age of 15. My mother took me to see a medium she trusted and that started me on my spiritual pathway. This was just after my nan died and she came through loud and clear. I’ve been seeing mediums ever since a couple of times a year. There was one fantastic one I saw for about ten years but she’s retired now and it’s been a challenge to find someone else.

Like everything in life, there’s good and bad. I always think a sound place to start is the spiritualist church because any decent medium won’t be able to be a regular platform worker without being good at their craft. I’ve seen a few mediums in church, been impressed and then sought private sittings.
A true medium will not need to use cards or other divination methods. Some I’ve seen use them occasionally, or ask me to pick a card at the end of a sitting but I always say that I want mediumship, I’m not not interested in cards etc.

The purpose of a true medium is not to predict the future, but to give you evidence that your loved ones have passed to spirit and are very much alive and well in the spirit world.

[dream jo]

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[Ankhesenamun]

I used to go to a Spiritualist Church for a while, here in the UK. I didn't come across even one genuine medium there. Even the "president" of the church was a fake. I once witnessed a thing where they tried to contact spirits and asked the spirits to move glasses to give answers. It was obvious they were moving the glasses around themselves.

I had originally contacted the president because I wanted spiritual advice as I was suffering lifelong extreme bad luck and wanted to know what is going on (this situation is still continuing by the way). I presented her with my life story, which I had typed out, and she was absolutely shocked - she had never come across someone with such extreme bad luck before. She then proceeded to say nothing other than "just think positively"! Great help - not! (by the way I have always been a very positive person). If that's the best she could come up with instead of investigating what's going on - then I have to say she has proven herself to be a fake.

She also did not remember having met me before, despite this only being a few years ago. Another time I presented her with a person that was of an extremely evil nature - which she failed to recognize. Some medium!

Being psychic myself, I was bitterly disappointed with everybody at the Spiritualist Church. The whole organization exists only to make money, and to keep the "president" and some other high up folks in their jobs.

Genuine mediums do exist, but they don't go round advertizing themselves or running to Spiritualist Churches. I wouldn't go to such a church again. It was disappointing because I had hoped to find spiritual people there, but all I encountered were a bunch of fakes and weirdos.

[CrystalSong]

In a Priestess Group I host a few weeks back one of the ladies suggested we do 'aspecting', something done in her tradition. Basically one writes down all the questions they want to ask a spirit and then drop into meditation and invite the spirit in and someone reads the questions to them and another writes the answers. The spirit can come into the persons auric field, into just their head and throat region, or down to their heart, or full body incorporation.

Everyone was able to incorporate their chosen entity and get answers to their questions except me (I have blocks to mediumship) so another girl incorporated the entity I wanted to speak to which was Jose Penteado one of the Entities who preforms psychic surgery's by incorporating through John of God.
Not only did he answer all my questions but gave me salient advice, gentle encouragement and tons of LOVE. I was in tears of humbleness and reverence the whole time. It was astounding! His energies filled the whole room so powerfully and the girl who incorporated his was really stunned afterwards at the incredible loving wise being that he is and her heart pumped energy out for a long time afterwards as it had been so activated by him.

Besides him that night Mary Magdaline came in to talk with us, one womans Higher Self and a group of very high level Beings that we could never sort out - they describe themselves as Sentient Filliments of Light.

All of it was very real, very amazing, the Filliment of Light bBeings made us laugh and laugh with their witty humor and Mary Magdaline was like a chirping song bird of delight - so chatty and light hearted but also with amazingly salient wisdom for us.
We were high for hours from the very high frequency's these differnt Being came in with and filled the room so palpably with.

I truely am very thankful to have been blessed in my life with so many real expereinces, and that I can relax into knowing it is true deep in my heart instead of my brain having to 'judge' whether it was a scam or not.

[leadville]

I used to go to a Spiritualist Church for a while, here in the UK. I didn't come across even one genuine medium there. Even the "president" of the church was a fake. I once witnessed a thing where they tried to contact spirits and asked the spirits to move glasses to give answers. It was obvious they were moving the glasses around themselves.

I'm disappointed to hear about your experience in a Spiritualist church but any church is, of course, only as good as those who attend regularly and the abilities of individuals will vary considerably. I'm unable to comment on your experiences other than to say that's not typical of what you should find, especially the aspect of moving glasses - that's not 'proper' mediumship, something anyone ought to be able to expect in a Spiritualist church unless, of course, your demonstration was being given for different reasons. Perhaps too late now but the right thing to do would have been to discuss your concerns with the president of that church. If you didn't get a satisfactory response then checking with the SNU (if it's a member) would have been possible.

I had originally contacted the president because I wanted spiritual advice as I was suffering lifelong extreme bad luck and wanted to know what is going on (this situation is still continuing by the way).

Spiritual advice isn't something that should be given by a medium UNLESS important information was being obtained to be passed on to you from a spirit source identifiable by yourself and whom you would trust. If you had wanted psychic reading and personal counselling it should have been explained in what way they would be provided.

I presented her with my life story, which I had typed out, and she was absolutely shocked - she had never come across someone with such extreme bad luck before. She then proceeded to say nothing other than "just think positively"! Great help - not! (by the way I have always been a very positive person). If that's the best she could come up with instead of investigating what's going on - then I have to say she has proven herself to be a fake.

I'm sure she was shocked as you've described and she might not have known what to say but if she presents herself as a medium that's hardly surprising - anyone is likely to have been shocked to hear about chronic misfortune. As for being a fake, exactly what was she being fake about? I acknowledge her response was far from helpful but she is only human after all and if she has no relevant experience she should just have said so.

She also did not remember having met me before, despite this only being a few years ago. Another time I presented her with a person that was of an extremely evil nature - which she failed to recognize. Some medium!

Exactly what do you think a medium should be? Perfect memory, perfect ability to do anything and everything? Perhaps your expectations were somewhat unrealistic?

Being psychic myself, I was bitterly disappointed with everybody at the Spiritualist Church. The whole organization exists only to make money, and to keep the "president" and some other high up folks in their jobs.

Being psychic doesn't necessarily mean you have a scrap of understanding about mediumship. As for money-making or jobs, well many churches struggle to keep going and as for jobs well they don't pay much in a local church! There are few "high up" jobs and being president ain't one of 'em.

Genuine mediums do exist, but they don't go round advertizing themselves or running to Spiritualist Churches. I wouldn't go to such a church again. It was disappointing because I had hoped to find spiritual people there, but all I encountered were a bunch of fakes and weirdos.

I'm disappointed you didn't find the help you wanted but based on what you've said it seems to me your expectations were somewhat unrealistic - that's a shame. Genuine mediums do indeed exist and some have been serving Spiritualist churches for years and making few charges for their time - but that's a different issue. As for the folk you'll find there, well as I wrote earlier it's gonna depend on who goes - the congregation isn't vetted for spirituality. And unless you first define fakery you may not have experienced it hence the folk you met weren't necessarily fakes. Weirdos, maybe, but this world has many weirdos doing weird things and many more are likely to be found outside of Spiritualist churches rather than inside them!

[Lynn]

Hello

Like all things that are said to be able to be "taught" this is not always the case. While I do feel that we all have this ability in our "Soul Chart" I do not feel that we all open to this ability in every lifetime in.

Like all things there are good and not good in all professions out there, even with Dr's at times they do not "hear" the patient and something happens.

We too are given lessons that we might not understand in a path that seems to take us down the dark night of the soul so to speak and at times we might never fully get the meaning but its there for a reason.

Its like the passing of my Dad when I was only 25 and planning my wedding. I was like this is so not fair, but the reason was there so many years later some 25 years later. A Medium had told me life can be cut short early with family at times, but nothing more was added to that. I was 18 when I got this reading from her. I feel she touched on my Dad's passing.

I too was told I would be with but "one" man in my life and would have three kids late in life (noting I was told by a specialist both me and the man I was with "could never have kids" at 21. If I had fully taken any of this to heart and fully claimed that energy I might still be in the negative life path I had.

Its a guideline that is given by any reader nothing is carved in stone, as we look at stone and how it can be eroded over time, its the same with our life path's there are others in our path that can bring on a change in that path.

I have been so put "under the bus" so to speak for doing the work I do for nothing for FREE for the most part by those that claim to make a "living" from doing this work. I am good enough to walk with the best of them, and have had that path offered to me. Its not a path I choose to take, that spot light never felt right to me.

So many things how me that I have walked an honest life path, this site is one of them, I have been here since Feb 2007 and over all that time I have offered of myself freely to its members. I have seen so many come and go, live out their lives at times and pass over. I have been here to help one's so on the edge of life find a life path. From that edge of ending things to finding family. I met my husband here, yes a second man in my life path. Without the first dying (though a part of me still wonders on why his life path continues). Yet it is not up to an individual to hold judgement why we have trial by jury.

The Church is in a place of great struggles in so many places, when I was in England so many are abandoned or made into something different but as they hold a graveyard with them they can not be removed.

We are in times where we have to work more and harder to keep life a float, where our time is at times work time. I do have to wonder on the path that will come to those "false profits" when their end of life comes. To take money for the purpose of making money, is not right, but too they might actually feel they are the real deal.

I love to go to the fairs that are about and have readers willing to take my money from me and not sense from me I am a Psychic/Medium. Some refuse to read me, but to not say why, they will move me onto another reader. Honesty is the best policy in life.

We all have with us a good sense of intuition and if we open to that we will find that many times we have been pre warned no to try a path, but too we do and we learn from it not to be burned again.

Lynn

[soulforce]

Most of the messages received at my local Spiritualist Church were wrong

This was within a period of 6 months

Only one medium stood out giving messages to everybody in 5 minute segments

She told me something that only me, my dad and my stepmother knew

Anyone had the same experience?

I've experience some interesting feedback. Things I have no way of validating. The way I see it mediums are spiritual interpreters. They try and figure out what the spirit is communicating like a language interpreter. If they get it wrong they could be misinterpreting the message. Hence the messages they're getting are clear but the medium may lack the understanding to interpret it to the client correctly.

I have a saying that Spirit chooses their mediums. A lot of people think they can train themselves to become professional mediums but the strongest mediums were born that way. I think we all can obtain a level of clairsentience but will we all become good mediums? No. It's like believing everyone was born to be professional pianist.

There are some people who are naturally gifted at spiritual interpretation and it's rare.

[SerendipityLizard]

My code for what I judge as a reliable source — whether a spirit or someone alive — is whether their advice works.

If it works, then they’re right. If it doesn’t work then they’re wrong. Simple as that. This is exactly why I think people who think intuition is higher than logic are in the wrong path. They’re equal in my view

Experimentation allows us to know which sources of intuition are reliable. Not every source of information from everyday human beings are equal. So why do people react differently with mediums and spirit guides?

People are very strange sometimes to me.

[leadville]

People are very strange sometimes to me.

only sometimes? Then you're lucky - it's always for me! :D

[Dargor]

I think mediums are most of the time wrong and untrustworthy. So far none of them really impresessed me except a very few, but even those few ones are questionable. Also, if any medium offers help for a payment that automatically marks them as a fraud because if I could help someone I'd do it for free.

[leadville]

I think mediums are most of the time wrong and untrustworthy. So far none of them really impresessed me except a very few, but even those few ones are questionable. Also, if any medium offers help for a payment that automatically marks them as a fraud because if I could help someone I'd do it for free.

Do you think, then, that only your values are of any value?

Everyone has to earn a living in this world, one way or another. If one gives all one's time, or a lot of it, trying to help others isn't it fair to expect some support with living expenses?

The mediums - or perhaps just psychics - you've encountered haven't impressed you and that's fair enough but please don't tar everyone with the same brush. That's plain unfair.

[Dargor]

Do you think, then, that only your values are of any value?

Everyone has to earn a living in this world, one way or another. If one gives all one's time, or a lot of it, trying to help others isn't it fair to expect some support with living expenses?

The mediums - or perhaps just psychics - you've encountered haven't impressed you and that's fair enough but please don't tar everyone with the same brush. That's plain unfair.

Even 'true' mediums can be wrong because the messages they receive may be somewhat distorted and as a result misinterpreted. Therefore asking for a payment without guarenteed accuracy in a reading is also plain unfair if you ask me. And by the way there are better ways to earn money, like getting a REAL job.

[leadville]

Even 'true' mediums can be wrong because the messages they receive may be somewhat distorted and as a result misinterpreted. Therefore asking for a payment without guarenteed accuracy in a reading is also plain unfair if you ask me. And by the way there are better ways to earn money, like getting a REAL job.

There are no 'true' mediums. There are mediums and there are those that aren't mediums. Distortion of the intended message and/or inaccuracy is an unfortunate part of often difficult communication. Misinterpretation of what's said also happens when folk in this world speak to one another. Imagine how much more difficult it is being a link across two very different dimensions. That it happens at all is something amazing!

Payment for a service rendered is a tricky one. I agree with what you've suggested and feel that a medium with integrity should offer a reduction in their charge if successful communication hasn't been achieved. And that can be a contentious issue but before starting I think a practitioner should indicate what their sitters can reasonably expect for the fee they charge. It's a tough one, though, and one I've discussed many times over the years.

In the end, though, the process of mediumship deserves to be a fair one for both parties involved.

As for getting a real job well I don't consider I have any right to tell anyone how to live their lives BUT some mediums do have full-time, regular jobs and work as mediums in their leisure time. And some don't charge or make a small charge to cover additional expenses like heating and furnishing a dedicated room. Perhaps you feel they should do it for free and stand all such additional costs? Fair enough if you do, it's an honest opinion. :smile:

[Lynn]

Hello

You are born into being a a Medium, it is I feel that we all have some abilities but is it something you can learn, from scratch I do wonder. I feel that you have to have some calling to it, something that no matter what you do in life (trust me I know) it will not go from you. In my case it got stronger the more I pushed it from me. So finally I just said OK this is me....now what ?

I had a choice to make in my life path with being a Medium, as I have gone head to head with some of the best (as they were climbing the financial ladder of success) where I could have taken the stage. It did not feel right to me and I closed that door. Running into one that was to be a mentor to me years later, feeling I had made a wasted choice in not going full out on stage. I had what they did not have "freedom and a family".

We have to remember when we are doing spirit communications we never know whom is going to come in. We do not control whom comes to us as its all energy ebs and flows. There might be a person come in that has a message that the sitter really needs to hear. So we go with that.

Having done many Platform Medium sessions I know well that there are always some that do not believe or accept, and that not everyone will get the message they want or a message at all.

I can say that some of the top one's do not impress me at all, I wonder on the money getting a head of the calling they were given.

I do most of my work for free, if an event is a paid one then that is donation to charity. Now that is not to say you should not make a living from what one can do, but you have to keep on that moral and ethical path that does not lead one down the path of greed.

As long as one works from the place of the Highest and Greatest Good I feel one stays clear of the path of greed and Karma.

There is Karma attached to doing wrong or being greedy. I just saw that with someone I know....life caught up with them.

Lynn

[leadville]

Evidential Mediumship - as often found in Modern Spiritualism - is simple and fundamental and can be a wonderful thing when all works well. But it can be frustrating and disappointing (for seekers particularly) when it doesn't appear to deliver what was expected of it.

The words 'mediumship' and 'medium' may mean very different things to a seeker and there is no single definition that is automatically right for every single individual or every single situation.

What it means in Spiritualism varies, be that in Canada, Australia, the UK or the USA. Sometimes it varies widely but again there is no single universally-accepted definition about what should be expected from it. What mediumship means outside of Spiritualism can vary even more widely. Perhaps little wonder that seekers may be disappointed or even feel cheated by what they get.

Whether the service of mediumship is charged for or delivered f.o.c. is something the practitioner has to resolve for herself. There is no automatically right way although many may have firm views about what should be provided and how, be they practitioners or simply seekers of communication through mediumship.

Although there is no single way that is completely right there are ways in which it is completely wrong. :wink:

[Kathrin]

Have you heard of someone finding late in life, that they would have been just right in this area of work? What if someone has been mislead and lived with suppression of selfness? Would this person have to get to a realization in order to take their real Self as fact? I'm dealing with a bunch of strange "abilities", still not knowing what to do with it. I would like to let them go and just be normal. But feel like losing as soon as I try that. What if someone's a mx of all, a psychic, a medium, an elemental seer and converser, a healer, a seer, etc.? Do you know who to talk to with this? Either I'm just ego-tripping or dealing with a bag of things. I'd love some advice and insight. Thank you.

[MissCreativeSpirit]

I was trained to accept and develop my gifts in a Portland Ore Spiritualist Church. I have had a lot of confirmation during readings that the info. I am receiving and interpreting correctly was a match to the persons current life situation and future they are currently manifesting(but could change based on their energies).

[leadville]

Have you heard of someone finding late in life, that they would have been just right in this area of work? What if someone has been mislead and lived with suppression of selfness? Would this person have to get to a realization in order to take their real Self as fact? I'm dealing with a bunch of strange "abilities", still not knowing what to do with it. I would like to let them go and just be normal. But feel like losing as soon as I try that. What if someone's a mx of all, a psychic, a medium, an elemental seer and converser, a healer, a seer, etc.? Do you know who to talk to with this? Either I'm just ego-tripping or dealing with a bag of things. I'd love some advice and insight. Thank you.

If you're not in the UK there are few places to seek guidance. From your words I'd suggest you're not alone in your 'bag of things' you don't fully understand. Based on others' accounts - especially on this website - many are muddled about what attributes they are exhibiting. It seems to be the general picture nationally if not globally. I'm sorry; that isn't helping you but I wanted you to realise you're not alone because that may help just a little. Feeling isolated and 'odd' doesn't help when you're under pressure knowing which direction you should be going - if any direction.

For what it's worth and depending on your personal sentiments I see a few ways forward. The first is to suppress/ignore/not respond to your attributes and get on with life learning to deal with the feeling of loss, the sense almost of bereavement, that's perhaps unavoidable in so doing.

The second is to seek out others who are working in a more focussed way although that's likely to need time and effort without any guarantee of success. If you can find someone approach them and ask if they can help.

The third is to research and study all you can find, identify as closely as possible your attributes, research one or two that you feel most drawn by and learn all you can about just the one or two attributes. Then when you feel you have a better grip on those attributes see if life presents opportunities to help others by using them.

And if you can find a Spiritualist church within traveling range visit it and see what you find.