i hear people say all the time that they can literally see spirits, but.....

[jturk]

how would you know if your schizophrenic or hallucinating or something. im asking cause i want to believe that there is a spiritual reality, but struggle to do so. so how do you know that what your seeing is real?

[Sangress]

I did an experiment.

I got two or more people who can supposedly physically see spirits and then got a spirit to stand in front of them.

Then told the spirit-seeing people to write down what they could see.

The ones who all described the same thing, or parts of the same being, are true/for real.

The others who came out with freaky monstrous or pathetically beautiful figures could have a mental illness and should get their mind checked just in case.

Or they are just really bad at seeing spirits and need to practice more.

In my opinion, the only way you can know if your a hallucinating delusional schizophrenic is to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist after you find you have no evidence for what you think is true, or when other spiritual people can't see, smell, taste, sense or hear what you do most of the time.

(The last part is in general, not aimed at anyone. No offense intended.)

[jturk]

I did an experiment.

I got two or more people who can supposedly physically see spirits and then got a spirit to stand in front of them.

Then told the spirit-seeing people to write down what they could see.

The ones who all described the same thing, parts of the same being, are true.

The others who came out with freaky monstrous or pathetically beautiful figures could have a mental illness and should get their mind checked just in case.

Or they are just really bad at seeing spirits and need to practice more.

In my opinion, the only way you can know if your a hallucinating delusional schizophrenic is to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist after you find you have no evidence for what you think is true, or when other spiritual people can't see, smell, taste, sense or hear what you do most of the time.

(The last part is in general, not aimed at anyone. No offense intended.)

good advice. to be clear, im not saying i can see anything, i cant. but i hear others say they can, & im reluctant to chalk someone up as schizo, hallucinating, charlatan, etc... im really just looking to learn.

[Sangress]

Assumptions are not a mans best friend, so it's good that your not pulling out the "your crazy" card when you hear people say those things.

I had 5 out of 12 people get the exact same result in my test, so I'm happy with my conclusion that some people can physically see spirits, just like some can physically see auras.

(Keep in mind that sometimes you don't need psychic skills to see a spirit. Sometimes they can be seen perfectly with the naked eye because they are actually holding some kind of semi-physical form.)

[jturk]

Assumptions are not a mans best friend, so it's good that your not pulling out the "your crazy" card when you hear people say those things.

I had 5 out of 12 people get the exact same result in my test, so I'm happy with my conclusion that some people can physically see spirits, just like some can physically see auras.

(Keep in mind that sometimes you don't need psychic skills to see a spirit. Sometimes they can be seen perfectly with the naked eye because they are actually holding some kind of semi-physical form.)


do you do this as a service for a fee? if so do you have a website or something, cause its an understatement to say i am intensely curious about spirituality because i have had experiences throughout my life & increasingly so in the past year that would lead me to believe that i am being communicated with in a very specific way. i cant see, but i feel segments of other audible voices via audio books, tv, etc.... so im dying to learn about this stuff to know if its real or what. im not crazy but ive wondered if maybe im attracting these things & there is no intelligible force behind it.

[Sangress]

I don't have my own or know of any website that does that sort of thing and I see no reason to do anything spiritual for money.

If I ever do anything, it's for free...or (if they are willing) they can pay me back by offering some of their energy to me.

I do all of what I do for personal experience.

Though I admit it would be cool if there was a site full of polls about spiritual/psychic/extrasensory perception that would be directly related to "tests" which could be filmed and documented.

*Looks around* If anyone want's to pick up that idea and use it, feel free.

(Was that counted as advertising? haha. Sorry if it was.)

This site should help you out a lot, jturk. Browse around, your bound to find some interesting information you can test out or relate to yourself.

[mahakali]

when another person sees the same thing as you then you cant deny it. dont say what you saw and let the other person tell. when this happens so many times then you would be crazy not to believe.

[Celeste]

Well, I see ghosts where I work (at a nursing home) which is understandable. They are gray beings that come when I work alone, because I am into my own reverie, when getting ready to serve in the main dining room. I have also seen family members, appearing just like a snapshot. And then they are gone just as quick. You can't help but know for sure if it is real or not. Trust your instincts.

:rolleyes:

[Coming2]

From my professional and personal experience you have to be careful when dealing with the psychiatric/psychologist setting. A true psychic will always be labeled schizophrenic, psychotic or suffering from some type of neurosis if they share their experiences with a mental health professional. Personally I have come to accept anyone who feels they have had a personal experience. Whether real or not it was very real to them and for whatever reason it has significant meaning to that person. There are experiences in my own life that I might feel to be questionable but there was a lesson learned. I have moments of complete clarity where there is no mistake that I have had a visitation or communication but there are times where I question what I have received but usually when I do I get some type of validation later.

I agree with Celeste...trust your gut and instead of constantly questioning whether it was real or not try just accepting it as truth and see where it leads you.

[sunny shine]

From my professional and personal experience you have to be careful when dealing with the psychiatric/psychologist setting. A true psychic will always be labeled schizophrenic, psychotic or suffering from some type of neurosis if they share their experiences with a mental health professional. Personally I have come to accept anyone who feels they have had a personal experience. Whether real or not it was very real to them and for whatever reason it has significant meaning to that person. There are experiences in my own life that I might feel to be questionable but there was a lesson learned. I have moments of complete clarity where there is no mistake that I have had a visitation or communication but there are times where I question what I have received but usually when I do I get some type of validation later.

I agree with Celeste...trust your gut and instead of constantly questioning whether it was real or not try just accepting it as truth and see where it leads you.

welcome coming 2

[Spiritlite]

Well, I see ghosts where I work (at a nursing home) which is understandable. They are gray beings that come when I work alone, because I am into my own reverie, when getting ready to serve in the main dining room. I have also seen family members, appearing just like a snapshot. And then they are gone just as quick. You can't help but know for sure if it is real or not. Trust your instincts.

:rolleyes:

Me too I work part time nights in a very old nursing home. There are certain rooms more haunted. I see spirits all the time peripheral vision. I also see golden angels and lights while a person is dying. One time i went to my station to chart after checking on a man who was in the process of dying and BOOM I saw a huge flash of light coming from his room and I was like oh he's gone, yep he surely was. One night I actually saw a nurse at the nursing station. One night I was in a very haunted room and a radio was on static and while me and my CNA was in there a voice came through on the radio, a man saying "please help me" well we ran out the room scared as you know what.
I've had bad experiences too that I won't go into.
But I take it all with a grain of salt and don't let it affect me.
Spiritlite.

[Summerland]

I saw a ghost two nights ago at work, spiritlight. I was in a conference room cleaning the table and saw someone very tall race past the room and then around the corner. I ran out in the hall and there was no one anywhere. Our doors are mag locks, very heavy and very loud. No doors closed and no patients were up and no other staff were anywhere at that end of the hall. I went down to the nurse station and asked the nurse if anyone had walked down the hall and she said no. I said, "Well, then I just saw another ghost " and told her about it. She asked if that happened often and I told her that it happens every few months . So no big deal, I guess.

[Jules]

A true psychic will always be labeled schizophrenic, psychotic or suffering from some type of neurosis if they share their experiences with a mental health professional. Nonsence. I'm under a Neuro-psychologist who knows absolutely everything there is to know about me. Have I been labelled? Not one iota. Please take those thoughts out of your head as in this day and age MOST country's will not label psychics with any labels. Jue x

[Summerland]

What an absolute load of twaddle!

Jules, most mental health DOCTORS would label the person as
1: magical thinking
2: schizophrenic
3: Bipolar with a psychotic episode
4:delusional

However if you talk to the nurses, they have a different viewpoint, tending to believe that more is possible than in the DSMV

[Nam3lessOne]

Interesting.

And I was in the understanding that one in the physical could not see a 'spirit' physically with the naked eye. But then I guess psychic capability can pierce all sorts of shrouds. This much is known.

[Summerland]

Interesting.

And I was in the understanding that one in the physical could not see a 'spirit' physically with the naked eye. But then I guess psychic capability can pierce all sorts of shrouds. This much is known.

Nam3lessOne, I "see" them both ways. Sometimes I see them with my inner eye, but there are times that can see quite clearly with my eyes. Some can hear, but that rarely happens to me. I can sometimes hear their words or understand what they are thinking with my inner ear, if you will. But what is really odd for me is when I see them and they don't see me.

[Jules]

Summer, that's really interesting. I've been in hospital several times over the past 4 years and have been open and honest with everyone. We've had some very lengthy discussions and I have even done reads whilst I've been in for both Doctors and Nursing staff.

I've been under the community mental health team suffering with severe depression following numerous physical health diagnosis, my divorce, losing my house, an RTA, .. and the list goes on. Through all this my spiritual path has got me through. Every single day I'm working on myself on some level. And it shows. Regularly.

I'm now under the neuro-psych who I had an apt with on Monday and I asked point blank if I was suffering from any of the conditions you mentioned. Her answer .. NONE WHATSOEVER. I am the one who uncovers what I;m suffering from and what we need to be working towards. BUT I'm liberal minded enough to say not EVERY doctor will be the same as the ones I see at various hospitals around Manchester, UK. I'm fortunate in the respect I have a very clear understanding of how my mind works. Unfortunately for some other people, they may not be in that position. However, that still doesn't alter the fact that one cannot state categorically
A true psychic will always be labeled schizophrenic, psychotic or suffering from some type of neurosis if they share their experiences with a mental health professiona because it's labelling all Doctors the same.

Imagine the scenario. You have one very unstable member who is desperate for help, who is also a medium. The said member logs on, finds this thread, reads what has been written and then refuses medical help, even though that member is suicidal and has half convinced themselves they're goting to see someone. What then? who's head would it be on if that member then commited suicide because they've not been able to talk openly and honestly with a Doctor?

Of course this is all just my opinion, and my very strong belief.
Namaste
Jue x

[Xan]

Coming2: A true psychic will always be labeled schizophrenic, psychotic or suffering from some type of neurosis if they share their experiences with a mental health professional.

Elyse... Where you get into trouble here is with the word "always". These days many mental health professionals (me included) are awakening spiritually and may be having their own true psychic experiences, or at least are opening their minds to the extraordinary.


Xan

[Summerland]

Unfortunately Jules, doctors in the States are not likely to be so open-minded. At least not on-staff doctors who do the actual admitting. We have one doctor on staff, from China, who is willing to understand his patients spiritual beliefs in context with what they are saying. And there is another doctor who almost had me fired just for mentioning the term 'alternative treatments'. You have no idea of how hard I fought to get aromatherapy to be part of our policy. I had one consulting doctor behind me 110 %, perhaps because he is older and wiser. I don't know why exactly, but he fought hard along side of me. And we had a wonderful elderly doctor who referred his patients to alternative healers. It was a great loss to us all when he died several years ago. So perhaps you are right and I am painting it negatively with too broad a paintbrush.
I guess that I get very frustrated because I see so many children coming in hearing voices, seeing shadows and ghosts and no one is willing to take any consideration that perhaps they are truly having these experiences and it is not a psychosis. Doctors simply prescribe anti-psychotics to stop the visual and audio hallucinations.
You are fortunate that youhave been able to have doctors treat you who do have open mids, Jules. Could you spare some to send over here?

[Spiritlite]

Only if you're very very lucky will you find a doctor who beleives in the spiritual.
Spiritlite.

[Coming2]

'Thanks Sunny...its good to be back...My PC crashed and then I was in a car accident...ugghhh!! So it took me a month or so to purchase a new one. Thanks for the warm welcome!!'

[Coming2]

'Sorry guys...I didnt mean to make such a fuss with my statements...Jules you made a good point about someone coming in and reading that statement and then shying away from seeking help. I do not and would never want that to happen. Let me just say it has been my personal experience that mental health professionals//ie..psychiatrists and psychologists tend to medicate what they see as a problem and not a true spiritual experience. I can say I have alot of friends who are therapists who are open minded and are able to talk openly about their own experiences.\r\n\r\nJules I think you are very fortunate to have found a DR. who is open minded and accepts your feelings and beliefs. I wish all Dr\'s would be as open. \r\n\r\nPeace!!'

[BlueSky]

how would you know if your schizophrenic or hallucinating or something. im asking cause i want to believe that there is a spiritual reality, but struggle to do so. so how do you know that what your seeing is real?

I hear you.......but......when I set out to test your theories some time ago......my wife saw the same thing I was seeing!
And she didn't even know anything about it before that. It was like "did you see that?" and I was like "no way, you saw that too! I have been seeing that for 2 days now!"
I'm a believer........:smile:
For the record, I believe it happened because I may have manifested it. In fact I was practicing visualization techniques at the time and what we saw was what I wanted to see.
Pretty cool. Don't really know what to make of it though.
James

[Lovely]

One thing I need to point out is not everyone who has hallucinated is crazy.
In fact, every one does. Everyone has hallucinated at least once in their life
but it may not have been a crazy thing or a person. For example they make
have saw something simple like a pencil or notebook that wasn't really there.
So you shouldn't look at some one who hallucinated and label them crazy with
a mental illness because most likely you have done it too.