Do you shrink yourself

[somnium]

I have been under the gun in this reality, dimension, in this forum and others lately(more so in others but here too). I enjoy sharing myself with others in an open and honest way. Long ago I left the world of man behind and entered into my own spiritual journey. I left because I found that science, and mankind was hurting me, confining me, and conditioning me to see the world the way they wanted me too. i was paranoid too at the time because I found immense power within myself that could do great things. I had found the secret. SO I isolated myself at first, practicing my new found abilities and honing them until I found other dimensions with beings like me and far beyond me. I learned so many things from them, and from following my own way. I learned to manifest reality. I experienced my every dream come true. I grew so very aware of so many things to the point i could understand anything i wanted right away.

After awhile I grew lonesome from my fellow man, and the family and friends I had left behind. And wanted to return to them and the old world to share with them my way and what i had discovered. When I reached home again I was in for a surprise indeed. I found right away that these people did not want me to be who I am, and wanted me to be who they were instead. All the experiences I had, the dreams that came true for me fell on deaf ears, and they called me names and insulted me, saying i was a liar, delusional, hallucinations, etc etc. My awareness was perceived as a threat to them, and when I tried to free them from forming the hells I saw them creating for themselves, they lashed out at me, assuming I was trying to be better then them and seeking for faults within them. I really was just seeing the energy that they were manifesting into the world and wanted to help them. But they did not want any help but wanted to know everything and uphold this image of themselves. Indeed I was a threat to their ego. And they locked me up in an insane asylum.

Now as the mental health evaluation came to be, i could see the future clearly and all the energies present within it, as well as how to realign the formation of reality to plan and cast the test myself. I had the doctor feed me the right answers through her consciousness into mine, and I could see within the physical formation of the paper that the test was written by my own awareness manifesting it, as I had cast and preplanned.. I planned the questions and the answers so that it asked me all that I knew already. See the reality around me knows everything about me and the world and knows exactly what to ask. I could see that the test was being created right now, as i live in this very moment, and I planned that i could just point at the answers without reading them and have my finger create the right answer. The doctor told me that she had never before seen anyone with such a high score.

Now i was released and kept my mouth shut, and now I find that I must shrink myself to fit into the human world if I want to stay there. I can not be myself or share who i am, what I can do or have done, with people because I am not allowed in this dimension to even have what they call magical thinking which they deem as an illness. I converted my magical thinking process into scientific explanations for people and for doctors. But alas my thinking surpasses the scientific level of awareness that is present in this dimension, and so it ends up in the same result as before. I must hide who I am, and shrink myself to a level that is acceptable here. Boredom, dullness, confinement, limitations, and bindings. Not to mention negativity.

I no longer feel like earth is my home at all, and do not feel very welcome in this reality. I have made some plans in this world but am unsure now if i want to carry them forward or to simply leave behind once and for all this world. Perhaps it is time to go. (by the way just sharing this here leaves me feeling like someone will attack me soon!!)

[silent whisper]

Your story is interesting and one that rings home in me about my own awakening and the nature of others and how they perceived me walking through that and the journey further down the track.


I had some lessons to learn in the face of them around finding that deep connected feeling in me that would not be shaken by the external reality. It wasn't easy. I struggled with others, knowing what they were engaging in, how they viewed reality, how they viewed mine, but I never gave up, always honouring myself regardless.

I learned through that aspect of the journey, that I could either begin to walk tall no matter what the world around me wanted or expected me to be, or I could shrink down and be miserable. I choose to walk tall and in time, my reality shifted slowly once more. I began to notice that I could live within the scope of the whole and be happy. My created reality is mine, I share it with many, some I know not to waste my time. Overall since that time of feeling the way I did, things have improved dramatically and people and life support me now in wonderful ways. My reality is accepted now, but when they *saw* me walking through the *unknown* unearthed for my journey it pushed them deeper into that space of thinking I was a crazy person...I just became all the more determined to keep holding my space.

I suppose I had to learn to reconnect to people and this earth in a new way. This helped me to find my place in a world and showed me that the more you face the resistance in others and let go, accept them where they are and get on with life, things turn out for the best.

Of course your feelings are you own and that is how you feel. No one can change your feelings only you.

[silent whisper]

Interesting you brought this up, the last two nights my dreams have been about walking spiritually tall...

[silent whisper]

Interesting you added the last bit after I responded. Feeling that you may be attacked by sharing.

Sometimes if you have been hit over and over, people failing to see and accept you for you, its easy to live in that space waiting for the worse.

Sometimes seeing the turnaround you get a glimpse of your reality shifting into a more accepting receiving space.

[somnium]

Thank you silent whisper.

I find myself unable to bend to others demands, like the view that the world is a round ball floating in space. Sure I can see it this way too, but then i can never leave and will just end up in the same place I started. It makes me think if i wanted to create a world where people couldn`t leave I would show them the earth and put them there. The perfect prison.

I am so sad knowing what I know of the world. All the negative manifestations they make and say is fact, like we have no choice to form for ourselves the reality around us. We must eat their poison just like everyone else. In the name of scientific fact. They kill us all. They herd us to our deaths, through pain and misery, and fear and control. All the while adeptly hooking our attention to the way they point out to us, that they say is absolute and factual. This is what reality is they say because we have proven it. The power of trust abused. Freedom and choice stolen from you without you ever knowing it existed in the first place.

For my fellow man I am weeping.

Do you know what is really out there... nothing at all. It`s all gone in the blink of an eye, and what is left is nothingness, just a canvas that is open and free to paint, a canvas that can be anything. Nothing and everything. (anything) choice.

[somnium]

Sometimes seeing the turnaround you get a glimpse of your reality shifting into a more accepting receiving space.

Thank you, you have helped in that way by accepting me.

I agree, when you project this outcome into reality before you then it forms to this way. When i first learned this i called it faith.

[silent whisper]

Thank you silent whisper.

I find myself unable to bend to others demands, like the view that the world is a round ball floating in space. Sure I can see it this way too, but then i can never leave and will just end up in the same place I started. It makes me think if i wanted to create a world where people couldn`t leave I would show them the earth and put them there. The perfect prison.



I am so sad knowing what I know of the world. All the negative manifestations they make and say is fact, like we have no choice to form for ourselves the reality around us. We must eat their poison just like everyone else. In the name of scientific fact. They kill us all. They herd us to our deaths, through pain and misery, and fear and control. All the while adeptly hooking our attention to the way they point out to us, that they say is absolute and factual. This is what reality is they say because we have proven it. The power of trust abused. Freedom and choice stolen from you without you ever knowing it existed in the first place.

For my fellow man I am weeping.

Do you know what is really out there... nothing at all. It`s all gone in the blink of an eye, and what is left is nothingness, just a canvas that is open and free to paint, a canvas that can be anything. Nothing and everything. (anything) choice.

I hear you.

Currently I am walking through my spiritually tall place, all the while very aware of my old space where by I shut down and let fear consume me. Reality is the same, I hear the same news, I feel the same feelings in people as I did back growing up. I listen and know how it can be, yet at times my hands are tied to what is. But I still feel it.

In this old and new view, I hold onto my own truth and faith in my own path, sometimes the nature of the external reality makes me wonder what is the point. Sometimes it is really hard to fathom what is going on in the world and how people are, yet it is what it is.

Sometimes I go to bed and cry at all this, release and let go of how it all feels and the knowing of how it can be, sometimes it gets all too much for me. But honouring the feeling often helps just to get grounded again. The next day I often get hit again and again and once more I let go of how it all feels..Some days I have wonderful joyful connections and lovely moments and they feel wonderful. In the nature of it all now, as I have let go of fear and also the realization that it is all in the mix of reality. I see how easy it is to only immerse in that which makes you miserable or that which you cant change. But it is all there and now I see and feel it all and do and live as I can.

I guess in that balance now I survive and have no need to hold onto fear to cope or suppress. That balance allows for me to be myself, ground and get on with it. That in itself has helped me to open to it all, find connections in it all and that balance supports me to walk spiritually tall regardless of what life dishes out..

[Baile]

A negative, self-centred approach to life will garner what you refer to as being under the gun, a threat to others, etc. It sounds like you've made up your mind that life is a dull bore. Nevertheless I suggest you try relating to the world in a positive manner and see how that can change both your outlook and peoples' outlook towards you. Nurture a relationship with the world constructed on respect and love for life, rather than distain and dejection.

[somnium]

Sure it may be true that I do accept others, yet want to be accepted myself. But how do I accept others as they are when i see them hurting themselves, others, and the world around them without even knowing what they are doing!!

[silent whisper]

Thank you, you have helped in that way by accepting me.

I agree, when you project this outcome into reality before you then it forms to this way. When i first learned this i called it faith.

In your expression of feeling and truth of your story you learn you are never alone in that feeling and truth.

[somnium]

No no, Baile, my life is not a dull bore, quite the opposite, my life is miraculous almost every day, but the lives of others are a bore to me when i see them trapped in the same routine over and over again, the same limitations. The routine I have escaped. My intent and goals are not self-centered at all, my intend to open people`s eyes, and help them escape the confines they have been placed into.

[Baile]

Sure it may be true that I do accept others, yet want to be accepted myself. But how do I accept others as they are when i see them hurting themselves, others, and the world around them without even knowing what they are doing!!Who are you to judge what it it others choose to do to themselves? Or to believe you could better think for them? And to nurture an outlook and attitude that prevents you from happily living your own life? That's god complex territory, it's dysfunction bordering on psychosis.

[somnium]

I hear you.

Currently I am walking through my spiritually tall place, all the while very aware of my old space where by I shut down and let fear consume me. Reality is the same, I hear the same news, I feel the same feelings in people as I did back growing up. I listen and know how it can be, yet at times my hands are tied to what is. But I still feel it.

In this old and new view, I hold onto my own truth and faith in my own path, sometimes the nature of the external reality makes me wonder what is the point. Sometimes it is really hard to fathom what is going on in the world and how people are, yet it is what it is.

Sometimes I go to bed and cry at all this, release and let go of how it all feels and the knowing of how it can be, sometimes it gets all too much for me. But honouring the feeling often helps just to get grounded again. The next day I often get hit again and again and once more I let go of how it all feels..Some days I have wonderful joyful connections and lovely moments and they feel wonderful. In the nature of it all now, as I have let go of fear and also the realization that it is all in the mix of reality. I see how easy it is to only immerse in that which makes you miserable or that which you cant change. But it is all there and now I see and feel it all and do and live as I can.

I guess in that balance now I survive and have no need to hold onto fear to cope or suppress. That balance allows for me to be myself, ground and get on with it. That in itself has helped me to open to it all, find connections in it all and that balance supports me to walk spiritually tall regardless of what life dishes out..

That`s a very positive outlook and I can relate, but my biggest success in life is that i never accept that there is something i can not change. I have made great changes in this world on earth, and most would not believe them if i told of them, but I have done them because i believe ... no I know that I can do anything. You can too!!

[somnium]

Who are you to judge what it it others choose to do to themselves? Or to believe you could better think for them? And to nurture an outlook and attitude that prevents you from living your own happy life? That's god complex territory, it's dysfunction bordering on psychosis.

Thats exactly the reason I feel I must hide and shrink. I say that I feel that is hard to accept people who are hurting themselves, others and the world around them and you turn that into I am psychotic!! thanks Baile.

[Baile]

the lives of others are a bore to me when i see them trapped in the same routine over and over again, the same limitations. The routine I have escaped. My intent and goals are not self-centered at all, my intend to open people`s eyes, and help them escape the confines they have been placed into.This confirms everything I just said. You carry this god-complex attitude about people and their lives, and yet you wonder why you're under the gun and why people see you as a threat. Self-created, self-fulfilling prophesy. You're manifesting this relationship with the world via your outlook and life attitude.

[Baile]

you turn that into I am psychotic!! thanks Baile.And so you deflect the blame and responsibility and turn this into a self-pity party. Well good luck.

[somnium]

This confirms everything I just said. You carry this god-complex attitude about people and their lives, and yet you wonder why you're under the gun and why people see you as a threat. Self-created, self-fulling prophesy. You're manifesting this relationship with the world via your outlook and life attitude.

I am merely seeing their lives Baile. I left the dull way myself because it was dull and limited. Then others complain about the world and often when I try to show them that they too can do great things like me then they say you are delusional, psychotic, and have a God-complex. Just like you are doing now. Unless ofcourse i show them.

You call it a God complex because i can do nearly anything i want to do in reality, but this is the potential that all beings have within them, as i see it the way we are meant to shine with the pure power and choice we all have, but gets locked up for most average people, into the way they tell you to align to. The way of limitations etc that get shoved down your throat the moment you are born. You say God-complex like it is a bad thing to have great power and ability, as if I should shrink myself to another level where i can`t do these things.

[God-Like]

My intent and goals are not self-centered at all, my intend to open people`s eyes, and help them escape the confines they have been placed into.


There are some that are present in the world today to do exactly that and that is to help people free themselves from their own mindful restrictions .

I know that such a purpose so to speak can carry judgements with it because such an individual has to notice what binds others in order to help them free themselves .

We are all part of the parcel, some are here to add layers and some are here to help remove layers .

When there is an individual that recognises something in another one cannot help but do so .

x daz x

[somnium]

And so you deflect the blame and responsibility and turn this into a self-pity party. Well good luck.

How about you please stop attacking me, looking for negative things, and leave this thread now. Please and thank you. I am not open to people like you as my thread clearly states.

[somnium]

There are some that are present in the world today to do exactly that and that is to help people free themselves from their own mindful restrictions .

I know that such a purpose so to speak can carry judgements with it because such an individual has to notice what binds others in order to help them free themselves .

We are all part of the parcel, some are here to add layers and some are here to help remove layers .

When there is an individual that recognises something in another one cannot help but do so .

x daz x

I agree completely.

[God-Like]

I agree completely.

Its difficult for others to relate at times that others can appear to know what is best for others . That kind of awareness can bring a nasty smell into the mix but if that is what happens that is what happens .

Sometimes the messenger gets shot down despite them being only being the messenger .

Wasn't jesus crucified for helping ??

x daz x

[Baile]

Looking to "free others from their restrictions" is egoic self-centred illusion. Go tell someone you're going to free them in that way, and then watch the response you get from them. And rightly deserve.

[God-Like]

Looking to "free others from their restrictions" is egoic self-centred illusion. Go tell someone you're going to free them in that way, and then watch the response you get from them. And rightly deserve.


One cannot help but be egotistical baile . That is part of the self process of being in awareness of someone that can help and being in awareness of someone that needs help .

Jesus was full of himself in regards to helping others, that is how it is .

You can't help but get wet when saving others from drowning . Sometimes getting wet is what one does in order to help .

When others are in service to others one sacrifices themselves in some shape or form .

x daz x

[somnium]

Its difficult for others to relate at times that others can appear to know what is best for others . That kind of awareness can bring a nasty smell into the mix but if that is what happens that is what happens .

Sometimes the messenger gets shot down despite them being only being the messenger .

Wasn't jesus crucified for helping ??

x daz x

Yeah it`s sad. Humanity has often killed their prophets and masters.

It`s sad that I know that I can live with no heart beat at all, and cure terminal illness such as emphysema, both I have had and done, and yet when you go to help someone else in the same way, a condition that IS very real for them, you are called names and insulted because of a society that is conditioned to reject God and faith, and power and ability. They build names for them like delusional, hallucinations and psychotics.

Jesus`s beautiful teachings state that anything can be done with faith, and you can do as I do and even more. Yet our asylums are filled with these followers who have said that they too can do as Jesus does, have special abilities and powers.

It points to a major problem, a suppression of truth and freedom.

[somnium]

Looking to "free others from their restrictions" is egoic self-centred illusion. Go tell someone you're going to free them in that way, and then watch the response you get from them. And rightly deserve.

The fact that I can help them does not make me egotistical. I believe that you can feed a man a fish and have him eat for a day or you can teach a man to fish and eat for a lifetime. Either way any man can learn to fish. I have learned to heal and be free, while you were learning to make houses and be a master carpenter, you need a healing while I need a house built. We just form from the same potential different ways of life.

Do i think that being free is better then being a slave.. you bet i do. That is why i seek freedom, while others seek captivity. THAT is what is crazy to me.

[God-Like]

Yeah it`s sad. Humanity has often killed their prophets and masters.

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Yes .. You either love them or hate them ..

They create a reaction within the hearts of each individual .

Some love them, some want to destroy them ..

Only the individual knows why one reacts in the way that they do .

It cannot be any other way .


x daz x

[somnium]

Yes .. You either love them or hate them ..

They create a reaction within the hearts of each individual .

Some love them, some want to destroy them ..

Only the individual knows why one reacts in the way that they do .

It cannot be any other way .


x daz x

Well i have to disagree here, i have seen some pretty aware states of reality where the awareness is so pure that you even see into people`s minds and attentions to see exactly the awareness they have within them and how it formed. To the point of even seeing someone`s consciousness with your own eyes, and attention.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I have been under the gun in this reality, dimension, in this forum and others lately(more so in others but here too). I enjoy sharing myself with others in an open and honest way. Long ago I left the world of man behind and entered into my own spiritual journey.

I must hide who I am, and shrink myself to a level that is acceptable here. Boredom, dullness, confinement, limitations, and bindings. Not to mention negativity.

I no longer feel like earth is my home at all, and do not feel very welcome in this reality. I have made some plans in this world but am unsure now if i want to carry them forward or to simply leave behind once and for all this world. Perhaps it is time to go. [B](by the way just sharing this here leaves me feeling like someone will attack me soon!!)

You create your own reality so you don't need help to be yourself , that expanded version of you that you know is the real deal. This means you are not a victim of anything . You can control the world around you, so you can certainly control the way you react to how people interact with you. If some interactions cause you to have negative reactions, maybe that's an area where you need more work.

I agree about it not being your job to expand peoples' awareness. It's no one's responsibility to "free people of their restrictions". It's called 'soverignty' , and it means that everyone is capable of living their own reality , and does so perfectly fine without anyone else presuming to know what's best for them. Thinking we know what's best for others is called co-dependency , and it doesn't have a place in a world of sovereign spiritual beings .

If you want to operate in the old world of victims and helpers , your sovereignty will of course allow you to do that , and others who are living victim roles may need interactions with you to catalyze their next steps , and their sovereignty allows them to do that as well, and that's all fine , within the limitations of the old world parameters . But in that context , where people are not operating in sovereignty , and are not seeing themselves as equals; not living through their highest spirit's reality , you have egos and personalities and personal agendas , and it all gets mucked up rather quickly if you let it .

It always helps me to remember that everyone is excatly where they need to be in any given moment, from the perspective of everyone having their own 'story' to live out, their own path . We obviously have interactions that influence each other , and from this bigger perspective, there are no mistakes; the idea of anything being a mistake doesn't compute , and so me thinking
I see something wrong with someone else and needing to go 'help' or 'fix' them, would be , for me , a grandiose, delusional undertaking . If , however, I am working from Spirit , and I feel inspired to go to a certain forum and respond to some particular post , and talk about things I've experienced, or how I see things working or not working , that's not the same thing .
This isn't me seeing anyone as higher or lower than I am ; it isn't me fixing anyone. It always helps me to remember to see everyone as their highest self , and whatever they are living is right and appropriate for them in any given moment , even if it looks 'bad' or 'w\rong' to me. I have to remember and respect that everyone else is sovereign too.

Soveregnty is also related to each of us serving the other ; I serve everyone I interact with and they serve me, automatically . Nobody has higher or lower standing , and it isn't about anyone 'fixing' anyone else .
If you want a higher purpose associated with it all , it's about our spirits interacting on energetic levels that collectively facilitate the evolution of the species forward, spiritually . Again, all beings such as us operating equally and to a large degree, automatically , because I think a lot happens that our conscious minds aren't aware of . In sovereignty , it is impossible for anyone to be a victim of anyone else, so those roles are self-created out of old habits and pictures of reality .

Your mileage may vary , but these are things I know about myself , and I'm sharing them .

[somnium]

You create your own reality so you don't need help to be yourself , that expanded version of you that you know is the real deal. This means you are not a victim of anything . You can control the world around you, so you can certainly control the way you react to how people interact with you. If some interactions cause you to have negative reactions, maybe that's an area where you need more work.



yes I know and agree, i used to practice forming the communication willfully to control every aspect of reality. `the communication you intend is the communication you receive`. But then that is my intent and will and not the other energy generating being present in reality as they are, being themselves. being in reality that i create myself for a very long time, as well as learning to co-create realities, left me seeking other energy generating beings like myself, with free will. TO impose my will is to effect the reality and alter it into my way, which i can do easily, and have done for many years. But to not effect the world and allow thing to be as they are without any willfull control or force on my part is something i am now mastering. To let people be and react as they themselves would.

[Baile]

One cannot help but be egotistical baile . That is part of the self process of being in awareness of someone that can help and being in awareness of someone that needs help .

Jesus was full of himself in regards to helping others, that is how it is .Given Jesus was a god-realized human being and ascended master who united with Pure Consciousness, I'm going to suggest he had the Curriculum Vitae to actually speak on behalf of all humanity. Unlike the rest of us.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

yes I know and agree, i used to practice forming the communication willfully to control every aspect of reality. `the communication you intend is the communication you receive`. But then that is my intent and will and not the other energy generating being present in reality as they are, being themselves. being in reality that i create myself for a very long time, as well as learning to co-create realities, left me seeking other energy generating beings like myself, with free will. TO impose my will is to effect the reality and alter it into my way, which i can do easily, and have done for many years. But to not effect the world and allow thing to be as they are without any willfull control or force on my part is something i am now mastering. To let people be and react as they themselves would.

muy bueno , si :smile:

[Baile]

left me seeking other energy generating beings like myselfOkay, so now I get it. This thread isn't about you wanting fixing the world. This is about you explaining your connection with energy-generating beings... from some other dimension I assume (?). You've identified life as miraculous, and I see in another thread you understand the difference between mundane intellectualism and pure consciousness. So you're definitely on the correct road, regardless of who and what you've been communicating with. Me, I stopped worrying about the rest of humanity two decades ago, and focused on my own self-development. If you want to help affect change, that's the way.

[somnium]

Okay, so now I get it. This thread isn't about you wanting fixing the world. This is about you explaining your connection with energy-generating beings... from some other dimension I assume (?). You've identified life as miraculous, and I see in another thread you understand the difference between mundane intellectualism and pure consciousness. So you're definitely on the correct road, regardless of who and what you've been communicating with. Me, I stopped worrying about the rest of humanity two decades ago, and focused on my own self-development. If you want to help affect change, that's the way.

I did that too, as i stated in the OP, i had eft the world behind to seek my power and ability, my own way and spiritual development so not to be hindered or brought down by humanity or onto humanities way. But alas I return to my OP again to say that i wanted to show my friends and family the wonderous things I have found and can do, as well as teach them how to do these things, and so returned. I learned to not harm myself with destructive knowledge and when i see my friends and family and people i love unknowingly hurting themselves I want to help show then that they do not need to hurt themselves. You said that was psychotic which i can not understand how my love for my fellow man is really psychotic tendencies in disguise, That is just not true in my case.

[somnium]

Okay, so now I get it. This thread isn't about you wanting fixing the world. This is about you explaining your connection with energy-generating beings... from some other dimension I assume (?). You've identified life as miraculous, and I see in another thread you understand the difference between mundane intellectualism and pure consciousness. So you're definitely on the correct road, regardless of who and what you've been communicating with. Me, I stopped worrying about the rest of humanity two decades ago, and focused on my own self-development. If you want to help affect change, that's the way.

And that points to another problem you are doing, you make judgements about me without before knowing me. just as you judge all people less then jesus, or ascended beings. I have ascended this reality many times, and at times it was difficult to even return. I could not even travel to the same cities on the earth that earthlings speak of, because i always entered into another higher reality every time. because my higher awareness leads me there instead. Which is why I am also mastering entering into other people`s world`s or perceptions of existence without entering into my own. I can do it know finally, but it is very hard for me not to veer off somewhere in infinity to find the person i am visiting in any dimension i want them to be in, as opposed to the dimension where they were existing before i left, if you can understand that.

[God-Like]

Well i have to disagree here, i have seen some pretty aware states of reality where the awareness is so pure that you even see into people`s minds and attentions to see exactly the awareness they have within them and how it formed. To the point of even seeing someone`s consciousness with your own eyes, and attention.

There is a common term where only the individual knows themselves at the heart of anything, but for sure it's possible for one's awareness to encapsulate another's and in that respect it is possible to understand where another's coming from . I suppose it's how deep the rabbit hole goes in relation to why one is aware of what they are and why one behaves in the away that they do .

Having access to the innermost information of another is rare, as rare as a clean pig in mud is .. but some no doubt have such access .


x daz x

[God-Like]

Given Jesus was a god-realized human being and ascended master who united with Pure Consciousness, I'm going to suggest he had the Curriculum Vitae to actually speak on behalf of all humanity. Unlike the rest of us.

Well yes Jesus had his act together for sure and he had the tools in his locker . There are others that have there act together also and have plenty of tools at their disposal . There are many on this planet that are helping others in many ways . Some are helping lift the veil or are loosening the chains that bind and blind people from there very selves .

If someone recognises or realizes there potential or purpose that reflects such an awareness then all is good . There is only the need to shoot the messenger within self reflection . Some want to shoot them down, some want to applaud them, some have no thoughts on the matter either way .

It's interesting why one reacts in the way that they do . There will be a reason for why one reacts in the way that they do .


x daz x

[somnium]

There is a common term where only the individual knows themselves at the heart of anything, but for sure it's possible for one's awareness to encapsulate another's and in that respect it is possible to understand where another's coming from . I suppose it's how deep the rabbit hole goes in relation to why one is aware of what they are and why one behaves in the away that they do .

Having access to the innermost information of another is rare, as rare as a clean pig in mud is .. but some no doubt have such access .


x daz x

It is not always rare Daz. I have found that my own judgements of people placed me within the blind dimension, yet when i realized this i let go of my past awareness to allow a new dimension to unfold, freeing the energy and will within my old perception to form new awareness of people and judgements of people. In this way I found an entire world of beings of pure awareness that could see everythign within me and others clearly. I enter into this alien dimension very often, it is amazing. A state of pure telepathic existence. Now it can seem paradoxical for me to complain about the lower awareness of average people and then say to you that you can release this form, but the dimension where veryone is pure awareness was not the home I left, the earth where my family and friends as I knew them existed and so i returned.

[silent whisper]

That`s a very positive outlook and I can relate, but my biggest success in life is that i never accept that there is something i can not change. I have made great changes in this world on earth, and most would not believe them if i told of them, but I have done them because i believe ... no I know that I can do anything. You can too!!

I believe in myself regardless of feeling and seeing the nature of the world around me. In being open about how it all feels, I don't allow those feelings to stop me living and doing what I want to do. I just make sure I don't bottle them up and want to unplug from the world again like I did growing up.

If your connected and feel a sense of purpose and achieving, I have to wonder why you let the rest of the world over ride your own sense of purpose. Sometimes redirecting oneself is what the message in others denying you and themselves is calling you to do. Redirecting yourself and channelling into something that you can be of positive service to.

[somnium]

I believe in myself regardless of feeling and seeing the nature of the world around me. In being open about how it all feels, I don't allow those feelings to stop me living and doing what I want to do. I just make sure I don't bottle them up and want to unplug from the world again like I did growing up.

If your connected and feel a sense of purpose and achieving, I have to wonder why you let the rest of the world over ride your own sense of purpose. Sometimes redirecting oneself is what the message in others denying you and themselves is calling you to do. Redirecting yourself and channelling into something that you can be of positive service to.

Yeah I let them get me down sometimes. I want to be accepted and loved. Like all i think. When i connect to people`s consciousness I can get negative energies and i do not like it sometimes. I often do not connect on this level anymore when dealing with negative people. I can carry this energy with me sometimes even way after i experience it. Not always but sometimes. I am working on letting go more.

But when i feel the purpose to help someone and free them, to heal them, and see that many do not want help, or are closed to it, it can disconnect me from that purpose because I ask myself why bother helping people when they treat you like trash for helping them and attack you for it. Or lock you up. And so i question whether to help or to leave. But sure some want the help for sure, and are open to it, and so i guess I should focus on the willing ones.

[silent whisper]

Yeah I let them get me down sometimes. I want to be accepted and loved. Like all i think. When i connect to people`s consciousness I can get negative energies and i do not like it sometimes. I often do not connect on this level anymore when dealing with negative people. I can carry this energy with me sometimes even way after i experience it. Not always but sometimes. I am working on letting go more.

But when i feel the purpose to help someone and free them, to heal them, and see that many do not want help, or are closed to it, it can disconnect me from that purpose because I ask myself why bother helping people when they treat you like trash for helping them and attack you for it. Or lock you up. And so i question whether to help or to leave. But sure some want the help for sure, and are open to it, and so i guess I should focus on the willing ones.

I have to wonder why you stuck in a cycle of giving and receiving in this way. It seems to me that you own alignment has in some way created this reality so you let go of something that is blocking you reaching those who actually need and care for your help. All this in a way where your actually feeling acknowledged and accepted in a greater manner than you seem to be doing now..

What exactly do you do in the helping of others?

[somnium]

What exactly do you do in the helping of others?

Well it depends on the situation really. I can help people in so many ways and so many people in this dimension need help. Whether it be a terminal illness that i can cure, or prevent the illness before it is formed by seeing the intent and will, the knowledge that accpets the formation of this disease. People blindly accept science as fact and so manifest for themselves the negative forms of knowledge science often seeks to manifest into people`s live`s via `food is bad for you`, or anything is bad for you and can hurt you`.

So many people spread negative perceptions to another like the plague, and when someone points to something and calls it something evil, then that is the reality they seek to align their fellow man to enter. I try to stop this before it happens so that the person does not enter the warzone described to them as reality. I can enter into any version of reality when i focus my will in this way, to form from the sacred unformed potential any way shape or form. And when i see someone pointing to death or pain I want to stop them from hurting themselves or another.

There are just so many things i know and have learned silent whisper that it goes beyond this world entirely to the point of manifesting anything just by being aware of the moment right now, being formed right now. Every decision we make, every form of knowledge we accept forms our world, our bodies, our food, our water and everything!!! I want to shout to people to stop cursing the world, the people in it, and themselves. Every limitation we apply to oursleves get fixated as energy and create the blockage that prevents us from going further, When science says you cannot see the light spectrum, to scienc saying you can not live without a heart. To the knowledge that says we need our brain to have awareness to everything!!!!!!!!

Where it all begins is potential to be anything and any form imaginable, and even beyond our imaginations, as we expand beyond ourselves, our imaginations, and connect to a higher source around us.

When i hear people everywhere proclaiming the dogmas of science that limits them i want to slap them sometimes!! So I show them that it isnot the wind that moves the coulds, it is your awareness of the clouds that makes them move. So i show them my mind, my attention moving the clouds, so they reinvest their trust in science and pace it into themselves, where it belongs, or in their God who is Infinite.

i could go on and on and on..

[God-Like]

It is not always rare Daz. I have found that my own judgements of people placed me within the blind dimension, yet when i realized this i let go of my past awareness to allow a new dimension to unfold, freeing the energy and will within my old perception to form new awareness of people and judgements of people. In this way I found an entire world of beings of pure awareness that could see everythign within me and others clearly. I enter into this alien dimension very often, it is amazing. A state of pure telepathic existence. Now it can seem paradoxical for me to complain about the lower awareness of average people and then say to you that you can release this form, but the dimension where veryone is pure awareness was not the home I left, the earth where my family and friends as I knew them existed and so i returned.

I think within different levels or states of awareness there can be greater or clearer levels of transparency in regards to reading energy .

No matter what another says at times doesn't change where their words are coming from or what lies at the heart of their expression .

We can all congratulate the lottery winner can't we whilst under our breath we hope they choke on it lols .

In a telepathic existence that you mentioned there would be no fooling anyone would there .. everything is plain to see . It would be like seeing through someone .

Our energy signature gives out our true intentions but many are blind to what they are .

I mention the rabbit hole earlier because although it is possible to see through one's falsities it is difficult to home in on why they say one thing and mean another .

There can be deep soul issues that are still having influence in one's life and even if one can establish that an individual is being dishonest or deceitful because one can see through their guise, one still might not be able to be aware of the deep rooted reasons for why they are behaving in such a manner .

This type of soul level clearance has a rite of passage unto it's self .

Many don't acquire soul clearance even though they can read their energy .


x daz x

[silent whisper]

Well it depends on the situation really. I can help people in so many ways and so many people in this dimension need help. Whether it be a terminal illness that i can cure, or prevent the illness before it is formed by seeing the intent and will, the knowledge that accpets the formation of this disease. People blindly accept science as fact and so manifest for themselves the negative forms of knowledge science often seeks to manifest into people`s live`s via `food is bad for you`, or anything is bad for you and can hurt you`.

So I gather from this that you can do some kind of intervention for people before they manifest their illness. And even after the illness manifests? And so what part of you are you using to know intent and will in another? Do you use your mind, intuition or something else?

So many people spread negative perceptions to another like the plague, and when someone points to something and calls it something evil, then that is the reality they seek to align their fellow man to enter. I try to stop this before it happens so that the person does not enter the warzone described to them as reality. I can enter into any version of reality when i focus my will in this way, to form from the sacred unformed potential any way shape or form. And when i see someone pointing to death or pain I want to stop them from hurting themselves or another.


Yes this is true, much is spread around, negative and otherwise. Intervention can sometimes happen and sometimes not. I can understand in your knowing of something occurring it would feel natural to you to step in and offer what you know. I can see now why its important to you in this view.

There are just so many things i know and have learned silent whisper that it goes beyond this world entirely to the point of manifesting anything just by being aware of the moment right now, being formed right now. Every decision we make, every form of knowledge we accept forms our world, our bodies, our food, our water and everything!!! I want to shout to people to stop cursing the world, the people in it, and themselves. Every limitation we apply to oursleves get fixated as energy and create the blockage that prevents us from going further, When science says you cannot see the light spectrum, to scienc saying you can not live without a heart. To the knowledge that says we need our brain to have awareness to everything!!!!!!!!

It appears your very passionate about wanting to share your knowledge. I have to wonder whether you could utilize various channels, to share in ways that you may be able to fully express all that you know in other forms.. For instance, writing a book? Creating youtube videos? I mean there are many ways you can share your insights and awareness to the greater....

Where it all begins is potential to be anything and any form imaginable, and even beyond our imaginations, as we expand beyond ourselves, our imaginations, and connect to a higher source around us.

I agree with you on that...I am not sure how far that any form imaginable will take us, but I try to keep an open mind..

When i hear people everywhere proclaiming the dogmas of science that limits them i want to slap them sometimes!! So I show them that it isnot the wind that moves the coulds, it is your awareness of the clouds that makes them move. So i show them my mind, my attention moving the clouds, so they reinvest their trust in science and pace it into themselves, where it belongs, or in their God who is Infinite.

I can imagine how you must feel in the face of what you know and what science proclaims. Its good you can show people at times what you know, people then can gain new ideas and create new awareness of what my have a limited view..

i could go on and on and on..


Yes I imagine you could share much more....

[silent whisper]

I think within different levels or states of awareness there can be greater or clearer levels of transparency in regards to reading energy .

No matter what another says at times doesn't change where their words are coming from or what lies at the heart of their expression .

We can all congratulate the lottery winner can't we whilst under our breath we hope they choke on it lols .

In a telepathic existence that you mentioned there would be no fooling anyone would there .. everything is plain to see . It would be like seeing through someone .

Our energy signature gives out our true intentions but many are blind to what they are .

I mention the rabbit hole earlier because although it is possible to see through one's falsities it is difficult to home in on why they say one thing and mean another .

There can be deep soul issues that are still having influence in one's life and even if one can establish that an individual is being dishonest or deceitful because one can see through their guise, one still might not be able to be aware of the deep rooted reasons for why they are behaving in such a manner .

This type of soul level clearance has a rite of passage unto it's self .

Many don't acquire soul clearance even though they can read their energy .


x daz x

Hello daz. :smile:

[God-Like]

Hello daz. :smile:

Hi Stinky ..:smile:

shouldn't you be asleep by now .. :sleepy2:

Lights out!!

...

x daz x

[somnium]

Yes I imagine you could share much more....

and so I will.... but first to address your question, what part of myself sees the intent and will of another person... Well I see it with my awareness, my attention, when I learned what intent and will was I could see it in everything everywhere, like when I see a person say you can not live without a heart beat, I see the intent of this form, or result, and the will that sustains it. They are intending to die if their heart stops through the acceptance of this form of knowledge.

Now to share a story of how i have beaten death.

Once my mother called me from a long way away. She told me that my friend marge had passed on and that she was sorry. She said it was just her time to go. I hung up the phone and remembered all the times i rejected what people said reality is, what was to form around the corner, what was in the next city etc etc, and every time i formed my own way and manifestation instead. And so I commanded that when i return home marge will be alive and well and i will see her living. When i got into the town later I had forgotten all about it and as i walked down the street I just happen to glance over to her house as i walked by it and there she was standing in the front yard waving to me.

[Ivy]

Somnium, what is it that you find difficult regarding shrinking yourself? You are only shrunken in the vision that others have of you - the inner person doesn't change.

Sometimes, the world needs a person to shrink, so that they may grow stronger. Sometimes, the world needs a person to put on a pedestal, so that it may see its ideals. Sometimes a child needs someone that they can relate to, that does not become an authority on how they should be, because an authority does not allow others to grow.

I asked on your other thread, who the person is that holds onto awareness when it is no longer needed.

You are fighting the world, trying to blame it for wanting you to be less than what you want to be. But it is you that is fighting, not them. Do you know what you are fighting, and why that is?

It may be some of those shrunken people already have their reasons to live as they do and those are reasons you are yet to discover.

You know, today I had a game of cards with a young man. I had the killer card in my hand, but I kept on picking up as if I couldn't go. It's not because I am a dumb loser, it was because, on this occasion, the young man needed to experience what it was to win.

[Lucyan28]

Hello Somnium you are a wonderful spirit, when the time comes you will go to the next world. I want to thank to all the people that wrote on this thread, I really appreciate it, I've learned many things here.

I believe that we should enjoy and be very grateful for all the things in this world including suffering, sorrow, illness, love, happiness, hope, the awareness and even the stupidity :)
All of them are part of the same thing, which is THE-ALL :) So all the souls in this world are learning their lessons even if they are trapped in a jail or suffering.

This may be wrong but I think that all the things, the people, the stars, the dust, the viruses, the philanthropic people, even the murderers, and the most tiniest and insignificant entity, are perfect just the way they are and we can choose to learn from them, help them, love them or ignore them.

I have one question, what is the key to change this reality?

Just keep walking the path, and thanks again guys :D

[Cmt12]

OP you are all over the place my friend. Turn inward and deal with all your frustrations and distresses there. Don't avoid or escape it with these other dimensions you've brought up, but stay grounded in and explore these negative feelings for awhile. If you are as evolved as you say, this should be no problem for you.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

OP you are all over the place my friend. Turn inward and deal with all your frustrations and distresses there. Don't avoid or escape it with these other dimensions you've brought up, but stay grounded in and explore these negative feelings for awhile. If you are as evolved as you say, this should be no problem for you.
It brings to mind something that we thought of many moons ago.... about how some people become very advanced spiritually and the part of liofe about becoming a whole person is neglected. This life is an opportunity to integrate spiritual aspects with the biological apparatus we inhabit . It takes (well, it's taken me) a lot of time for the psychological , mental, and emotional aspects to evolve and mature , and that provides a grounded base
for higher aspects to manifest and operate in .

My inclionation when I was yoiunger was to do all the peyote I could find (fortunately I never got my hands on much :tongue: ) because I thought it would be a shortcut to spiritual evolution . That sort of shortcut doesn't exist for me , and the idea of becoming only spiritual , from the approach of us trying to become something else than what we are , is an incomplete view, i.mh.o.

Denying or dismissing our human aspects is kind of missing the point of being here (assuming there is an objective reason :wink: ) . Integrating them and living as multidimensional humans (which we already are) seems more on-point to me . Not to fight it , but to own it and put it in the spiritual context , and maybe thusly , push the whole thing along (morphic resonance fields : what each of us does influences the fields of others , and the fileds mutate our collective consciousness evolves.... or something like that)
:hug3:

somnium, you're so interesting ; if I were a neuroscientist I'd love to slice you up and study your little head (or at least put you in a big scanner ) :hug3:

[silent whisper]

Hi Stinky ..:smile:

shouldn't you be asleep by now .. :sleepy2:

Lights out!!

...

x daz x


Hi smelly belly,

I Just woke up...and read this...slept nicely thanks.

Sunlight on..:wink:

Hope the sun is shining down on you smelly belly..:D

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Hi smelly belly,

I Just woke up...and read this...slept nicely thanks.

Sunlight on..:wink:

Hope the sun is shining down on you smelly belly..:D
Jeepers, get an apartment, you two :tongue: :wink: :hug3:

[silent whisper]

and so I will.... but first to address your question, what part of myself sees the intent and will of another person... Well I see it with my awareness, my attention, when I learned what intent and will was I could see it in everything everywhere, like when I see a person say you can not live without a heart beat, I see the intent of this form, or result, and the will that sustains it. They are intending to die if their heart stops through the acceptance of this form of knowledge.


Yes this I understand. thankyou for sharing..

Now to share a story of how i have beaten death.

Once my mother called me from a long way away. She told me that my friend marge had passed on and that she was sorry. She said it was just her time to go. I hung up the phone and remembered all the times i rejected what people said reality is, what was to form around the corner, what was in the next city etc etc, and every time i formed my own way and manifestation instead. And so I commanded that when i return home marge will be alive and well and i will see her living. When i got into the town later I had forgotten all about it and as i walked down the street I just happen to glance over to her house as i walked by it and there she was standing in the front yard waving to me.

So you received a confirmation through that command. It appears you manifest your intent rather fast too. As this shows your intention to create your own reality in this way is quite a powerful tool that you can utilize in ways where it supports the nature of this reality in some way. I understand that this thread is about you finding it hard to walk spiritually tall and shrinking down in the face of others who cannot see, but this does show you that sometimes those things that we do intend and that are in alignment with the whole can often transpire. In other words their is a path and focus available to you if you reach deeper and find that path, let go of the this rejection feeling and open to the receiving fully to find a pathway for you to share you gifts in some way.

[silent whisper]

Jeepers, get an apartment, you two :tongue: :wink: :hug3:


Hey we don't need a room to play....but then SOME have other ideas...about the nature of play..:tongue:

[A human Being]

Somnium, I feel you need to try and see yourself from the point of view of the world that you believe is hostile towards you and is persecuting you. I recognise now that I'd have been very close-minded to think this way, but if I'd read this thread a year ago I'd have thought you needed psychiatric help - as I say, I'm not saying that would be a correct judgment, but that's the result of the culture I grew up in, it is, as you say yourself, a very doubting culture and it favours logic and reason over faith and intuition. And it's evolved that way because people grew suspicious of religion and spirituality, because some very cynical individuals and organisations exploited them to further their own agendas - and religion was tarnished by association, and people hear stories like yours and they roll their eyes. I know it's tough to hear, and this is a big spiritual cliché I know, but everything IS at it is and should be.

So I think you need to look at others with fresh eyes, and not see them as enemies who persecute you - that wouldn't be very Christ-like, would it? Jesus was nailed to a cross and what did he say? 'Forgive them, for they know not what they do.' Not, as he could have felt justified in saying, 'why do they persecute me so, I'm just trying to help them?' I'm not criticising you, I can perfectly understand why you'd feel that way, but judgment of others hurts you above all else. So when you look at other people, sense them as the presence that animates flesh and bone, and not their judgments about you, not their feelings about you, and not their physical form itself.

Forget about trying to save the world, or telling people how to save themselves - you have to accept that they are most likely not in the right frame of mind to truly hear what you're saying. Lead by example instead, live to serve others, and rediscover your love for your fellow man.

[LadyMay]

Sure it may be true that I do accept others, yet want to be accepted myself. But how do I accept others as they are when i see them hurting themselves, others, and the world around them without even knowing what they are doing!!

Let them hurt themselves. It's their mistakes to make. Their journey.

[BlueSky]

Hi Somnium,
Who is painting on this canvas called nothingness?

[Neville]

I have often wondered, How enlightenment ,awakening..whatever, can be so illuminating if it sets one apart from others (the masses), Surely that would engender a sense of isolation along with anything percieved as beneficial.

Then , sometimes, ofcourse the enlightened ones seem to have a need to communicate their divine message with the masses that they seem to regard themselves as separate and apart from.

This whole business of awakening and becoming enlightened seems on the face of it to be fraught with contradictions.

Unless my understanding of it , as well it might be, is skewed.

[BlueSky]

I have often wondered, How enlightenment ,awakening..whatever, can be so illuminating if it sets one apart from others (the masses), Surely that would engender a sense of isolation along with anything percieved as beneficial.

Then , sometimes, ofcourse the enlightened ones seem to have a need to communicate their divine message with the masses that they seem to regard themselves as separate and apart from.

This whole business of awakening and becoming enlightened seems on the face of it to be fraught with contradictions.

Unless my understanding of it , as well it might be, is skewed.
I understand why seeing someone set themselves apart would raise a flag as well. In fact I can relate to everyone's responses to the op at one time or another . I can even relate to the op.
I find this thread and it's responses intriguing

[silent whisper]

I have often wondered, How enlightenment ,awakening..whatever, can be so illuminating if it sets one apart from others (the masses), Surely that would engender a sense of isolation along with anything percieved as beneficial.

Being aware of the process in the whole comes into this picture your creating here in your own wonder. Setting apart can be the bridging of coming back together, within that transition their is process unfolding always...when one feels separation and eventually finds themselves in that space of their own internal separation, there is awareness gathered at that point for some to merge back into the world in their own time...unless of course some become attached to a place where they want to remain isolated and so consequently it may appear that is where they remain..

Then , sometimes, ofcourse the enlightened ones seem to have a need to communicate their divine message with the masses that they seem to regard themselves as separate and apart from.

In communicating a message why do you perceive separateness, perhaps that is just your own coming into the picture of what is a sharing of a message....

This whole business of awakening and becoming enlightened seems on the face of it to be fraught with contradictions.

Of course if you are perceiving that way it would...

Unless my understanding of it , as well it might be, is skewed.

>...........>

[silent whisper]

I understand why seeing someone set themselves apart would raise a flag as well. In fact I can relate to everyone's responses to the op at one time or another . I can even relate to the op.
I find this thread and it's responses intriguing

You might ask yourself why a flag is raised just because someone sets themselves apart?

Perhaps in your own awareness of separation and union you might think things have to be a certain way in the ending of another's separation or awakening. That can lead to ideas of *How things *should* be and not how things might be in new ways of that awakening...:)

So what is so intriguing?

[wstein]

Long ago I left the world of man behind and entered into my own spiritual journey.
…
I must hide who I am, and shrink myself to a level that is acceptable here.
…
I no longer feel like earth is my home at all, and do not feel very welcome in this reality. I have made some plans in this world but am unsure now if i want to carry them forward or to simply leave behind once and for all this world. Perhaps it is time to go. I had to shrink down just to get here. The locals (Earthlings) did their best to pile on the abuse (out of fear of me being different I think). I am on a journey to find ways to express all of who I am. It's not easy in this environment. I have access to many other lifetimes, it has never been easy. In a sense I envy your spiritual friends out there but I also wonder if you are seeing how they live where they are.

I have come to accept everyone is where everyone is. What they do may be painful for you to watch but that is on you not them. They are on their own journey, can you not accept them as they are? Despite the corrosive nature of humans, it is YOU that that causes your torment. In the Buddhist sense, your attachment is causing the suffering. Why do you interfere with the development of humans? What makes you think they need or want your help? They didn't lock you up so much because you were different, they locked you up because you were trying to make them different.

The issue of why not leave versus stay in the world of humans is at the core of where you are not seeing clearly. Really, what is holding you here? There are so many beings out there, why do you insist on interacting with these? You could go hide with them, but your issue will follow you. Unless you are very sure this is your last lifetime, you may as well figure it out here and ‘now’. Remember, you don’t have to be of the world to be in the world.

FYI: if you could remind me how to transcend I would appreciate it.

[note: both the original post and my original response changed while I was typing them in. Either this is not the same universe I started in or there was interference]

[wstein]

You are only shrunken in the vision that others have of you - the inner person doesn't change. Not so, the intent and act of shrinking is a change of self. One is no longer ‘walking tall’.

[silent whisper]

Not so, the intent and act of shrinking is a change of self. One is no longer ‘walking tall’.

Uhuh..

...................

[Ivy]

Not so, the intent and act of shrinking is a change of self. One is no longer ‘walking tall’.

Perhaps in your experience it is not so. In my experience it is perfectly so.

So, whose experience shall we say is right - yours because you need to walk tall? or mine, because I don't?

Perhaps it is dependent of where you form the image of yourself.

Did I need to win the card game to stand tall? No. I am secure enough in my ability to play cards, to show that young man what it feels like to win. On the outside, I lost, but on the inside I fulfilled what I was there to do. Where is the self that I am living with?

The Promise of the Old Man -

Where once you stood tall, you will stand bent and crippled
Where once they gave you titles of every colour, they will not know your name
Where once you walked amongst men, many hours in stillness you will sit
Yet few will ask now for your wisdom
and you will see more than to offer it.
But to remember the promises of youth,
though many friends have dived along the way -
you gave a commitment, not to them, but for you.
to see it through to the end of the day.
For to embrace the old man, is to know what it was to be the boy

[wstein]

Not so, the intent and act of shrinking is a change of self. One is no longer ‘walking tall’.
Perhaps in your experience it is not so. In my experience it is perfectly so. Fair enough.

So, whose experience shall we say is right - yours because you need to walk tall? or mine, because I don't? Experience is experience, it just is. There is no ‘right’ (or wrong?) to it.

Perhaps it is dependent of where you form the image of yourself. ???

Did I need to win the card game to stand tall? No. I am secure enough in my ability to play cards, to show that young man what it feels like to win. On the outside, I lost, but on the inside I fulfilled what I was there to do. Where is the self that I am living with? Perhaps you are thinking I meant an ego thing where ‘walking tall’ means to be better than another???

Walking tall is about being who you are, expressing who you are. Not walking tall is to act other than as self (to stoop, hide, withhold, limited, etc). Perhaps a definition disagreement?
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The subtext of what I meant is that there is an internal change required to stop being fully yourself and to start trying to be less than yourself (shrinking).

[God-Like]

Jesus was nailed to a cross and what did he say? 'Forgive them, for they know not what they do.'



And that kind of awareness had is when at times others want to lash out at . That kind of awareness can be met with self contemplation or it can be met with denial .

Not many like others telling them things they are in denial of or are unaware of .

It's like who is the smarty pants in the robe suggesting that I don't know what I am doing or thinking .

But it happens, some don't know their own mind and don't know why they act in a particular way, or they do but cannot face the reasons for why they do .

Some would be grateful for a few pointers, my mum pointed me to a place within myself a few times in my life, some would of bit her hand off for even suggesting for them to look within instead of blaming anyone else .

It doesn't matter who's doing the pointing or who's being pointing at . They are all self reflections .

The one's that graciously point, to the one's that graciously receive and accept counsel, to the one's that bite and snarl and turn their backs .

x daz x

[God-Like]

Hi smelly belly,

I Just woke up...and read this...slept nicely thanks.

Sunlight on..:wink:

Hope the sun is shining down on you smelly belly..:D

I don't know about smelly belly :D but it has been hot and sticky over here .

Who's been hogging the fan :D

x daz x

[silent whisper]

And that kind of awareness had is when at times others want to lash out at . That kind of awareness can be met with self contemplation or it can be met with denial .

.the whole Jesus thing, if the facts are true in those important parts, and in that he knew he was going to die, there was a point and process of surrender long before that remark he made. He struggled with his impending death in the garden apparently, so the process he opened to through that whole space was forgiveness and acceptance within himself.

Not many like others telling them things they are in denial of or are unaware of .

It's like who is the smarty pants in the robe suggesting that I don't know what I am doing or thinking .

But it happens, some don't know their own mind and don't know why they act in a particular way, or they do but cannot face the reasons for why they do .

Some would be grateful for a few pointers, my mum pointed me to a place within myself a few times in my life, some would of bit her hand off for even suggesting for them to look within instead of blaming anyone else .

It doesn't matter who's doing the pointing or who's being pointing at . They are all self reflections .

Yes they are Daz...regardless of where how when which finger is doing the pointing..you sir have shown some fine wisdom and common sense..lol..

The one's that graciously point, to the one's that graciously receive and accept counsel, to the one's that bite and snarl and turn their backs .


This sounds like a day time soapie ..:wink:
x daz x


...............thanks smelly belly...:)

[silent whisper]

I don't know about smelly belly :D but it has been hot and sticky over here .

Who's been hogging the fan :D

x daz x


Well hot and sticky no wonder I smell your belly from here..lol..

Get a bigger fan....let everyone share and be happy..:angel3:

[Baile]

And that points to another problem you are doing, you make judgements about me without before knowing me. just as you judge all people less then jesus, or ascended beings. I have ascended this reality many times, and at times it was difficult to even return.Judging? No. You're deflecting, again. I'm pointing out that your issue is entirely self-created. Stop judging other peoples' level of enlightenment, and comparing them to you. Who are you to do that? Focus on your own spirit journey and self-development. Complaining about people and the world, and blaming them for boredom, and dullness, and limitations, and negativity, and for not making you feel welcome, is nothing more than deflection and avoiding your own inner work. It's an excuse. In the same way you're blaming and deflecting and making excuses regarding my comments.

[BlueSky]

Judging? No. You're deflecting, again. I'm pointing out that your issue is entirely self-created. Stop judging other peoples' level of enlightenment, and comparing them to you. Who are you to do that? Focus on your own spirit journey and self-development. Complaining about people and the world, and blaming them for boredom, and dullness, and limitations, and negativity, and for not making you feel welcome, is nothing more than deflection and avoiding your own inner work. It's an excuse. In the same way you're blaming and deflecting and making excuses regarding my comments.
What you see here Baile, I would like to use to clarify my use of the word sepateness in the context if the op's thread and why it raises a flag to me. It's not a sense of sepateness that raises a flag it's the view that others "should " be a certain way. The very thing SW suggests that I am saying but I am not

[silent whisper]

What you see here Baile, I would like to use to clarify my use of the word sepateness in the context if the op's thread and why it raises a flag to me. It's not a sense of sepateness that raises a flag it's the view that others "should " be a certain way. The very thing SW suggests that I am saying but I am not


Yep you are...:) YOu just said it again..:)

[Ivy]

Originally Posted by Ivy

You are only shrunken in the vision that others have of you - the inner person doesn't change.

Not so, the intent and act of shrinking is a change of self. One is no longer ‘walking tall’.


Perhaps you are thinking I meant an ego thing where ‘walking tall’ means to be better than another???

Walking tall is about being who you are, expressing who you are. Not walking tall is to act other than as self (to stoop, hide, withhold, limited, etc). Perhaps a definition disagreement?

It was you who were replying to my post wstein (I wasn't thinking you meant anything beyond what you said "not so")

But yes, perhaps you didn't understand what I had said and are speaking from a different interpretation of what 'walking tall' means.

[BlueSky]

Yep you are...:) YOu just said it again..:)
What did I say again?

[somnium]

I just came back now, and found such lovely comments and questions directed at me, and this is exactly what I needed. You guys helped me connect to God last night, expand myself further, and remember who I am and who I have been. I could never tell you who I have been in this existence because it is quite..well... absurd to most. But I am on my way again and found an even greater love for myself, and for my fellow man, and thank you for that. I did leave last night, into many different states of existence, and came back again as well. I love life so much and am in awe of my own experiences and the absolute perfection of creation and destruction.

There are many things I want to respond to in this thread and so I will begin addressing them.

[somnium]

Somnium, what is it that you find difficult regarding shrinking yourself? You are only shrunken in the vision that others have of you - the inner person doesn't change. I find is unsettling that i cannot be who i am, I am full of magic, and miracles, all my awareness and experience points to other worlds and power and ability, and often just being who I naturally am is not acceptable here.


I asked on your other thread, who the person is that holds onto awareness when it is no longer needed. Well as awareness evolves it moves from one position to another and naturally lets go and releases the old awareness so that the new may form in it`s place

You are fighting the world, trying to blame it for wanting you to be less than what you want to be.No, not what I want to be, what I am. But it is you that is fighting, not them. Do you know what you are fighting, and why that is?When someone tells me that my experience is a lie, a hallucination, a delusion, a psychotic break, and demands that I follow their will and not my own, then I SEE their attacking energies, and feel the pull of their body tugging at me to form me to what they WANT me to be.

It may be some of those shrunken people already have their reasons to live as they do and those are reasons you are yet to discover. Very true, but usually I see very clearly the energetic formations within their actions, and when you gaze upon an action you can see within the reasons it has formed, the pathways that constructed it, all the knowledge and awareness that support it, the intent and direction that it points to and why.



see bold above for my responses.

[somnium]

Hello Somnium you are a wonderful spirit, when the time comes you will go to the next world.Thank you for such a beautiful and supportive will!.



I have one question, what is the key to change this reality?
As I see it the answer to this question is self-awareness. When you shift the form of your inner awareness, what you see the world as, what it is to you, the knowledge you have collected of the world, then you can let go of that form, that manifestation, and begin to form your own awareness and knowledge that manifests in that place. So the key to shifting the world is to begin shifting yourself. It doesnt capture the true understanding, the fullness of the meaning, but comes close when someone shows you that when you change your perspective of something you are examining it appears to change forms, ìts a matter of perspective, or perception. Examine the position you are in very closely, and you will see the result of your position that is aligning to form your perception.




See the bolded statements above for my responses.

[somnium]

Denying or dismissing our human aspects is kind of missing the point of being here (assuming there is an objective reason :wink: ) . Integrating them and living as multidimensional humans (which we already are) seems more on-point to me . Not to fight it , but to own it and put it in the spiritual context , and maybe thusly , push the whole thing along (morphic resonance fields : what each of us does influences the fields of others , and the fileds mutate our collective consciousness evolves.... or something like that) Yes I am human, and also have expanded well beyond human states or forms. I have been many animals while shape****ing, and have even given myself antennai while I examined different forms of sensory awareness`. I have been in mnay places of the cosmos and I have to say that all of these things and abilities ARE to be human. If they are not called human traits that I have then I can only conclude that the human condition is one that can be transcended, expanded, and left behind completely to inhabit new forms of awareness.
:hug3:

somnium, you're so interesting ; if I were a neuroscientist I'd love to slice you up and study your little head (or at least put you in a big scanner ) :hug3:Thank you very much, makes feel great, and somewhat paranoid at the same time! Remember I am not my little brain, and my brain is merely a part of who I am, to discover me you can examine me, my actions, my knowledge and my awareness. it is my awareness of my brain that creates the form of my brain. Just as the awareness and knowledge of my body create the manifestation of this body, which is how I shapeshift. i have studied the human knowledge of the brain a great deal, and have expanded the field myself even. Undoubtedly within the human form of knowledge of the brain i have expanded and created channels that most of humanity has not discovered. So long as the brain is a reflection of the conscious awareness that gets projected, or manifested into the form of pathways of the brain. Personally i enjoy leaving behind the physical knowledge of the body to see that I am really just awareness and knowledge that is creating a form, intent and will.

see bolded statements above for my responses.

[Ivy]

Somnium, in the end, YOU are the person that is fighting and in a bad place, and blaming others.

You can be who you are - there is nobody to stop you.

But you can't make other people see you as who you see you as.

If you want to heal someone, then heal them, if that is your strength. If you get angry because they don't heal at your command, or because they don't recognise you as the healer - then that is your issue and your ego, and what needs dealing with.

If you ever feel like damaging someone, in the sense that 'normal' people view to be damage, then it is your responsibility to seek psychiatric advice, before you go that route.

When I read your posts, it is the narcissism traits that stick out. Awareness is not an uncommon thing. But a person needs to learn how to handle it and if you can't relate to 'normal' and are clinging to blame, then there are problems that are yours to heal.

Healer heal thyself, is one cliché that has a good deal of significance..

[somnium]

So you received a confirmation through that command. It appears you manifest your intent rather fast too.Yes this is because I have studied and gained awareness that right now is the moment where awareness manifests into alignment of perception, and so being aware right now of my energies see the direct manifestation of this awareness. Now is the time, and yet the word now is a word that expands as you gain awareness of what now is, and what is happening within it. It;`s all happening now! As this shows your intention to create your own reality in this way is quite a powerful tool that you can utilize in ways where it supports the nature of this reality in some way. I understand that this thread is about you finding it hard to walk spiritually tall and shrinking down in the face of others who cannot see, but this does show you that sometimes those things that we do intend and that are in alignment with the whole can often transpire. In other words their is a path and focus available to you if you reach deeper and find that path, let go of the this rejection feeling and open to the receiving fully to find a pathway for you to share you gifts in some way.Yes i agree and thankyou, this comment that i read last night, helped me enter into the direction you point put and I am beginning to open the path to helping the world in further ways, as well as having the knowingness needed, the power, to do so. Although I have made great changes in the world already, I have been lax, lazy, and self-important, following often the changes that are best for me, and not always thinking of what is best for the whole, (so long as I am part of a whole, and not alone.)

edit, btw the way SW, I saw the awareness form in you as it did, and saw that you could see this in me, saw you seeing me!! I love that when i write or think about writing a post, i can see the reactions of my actions, my consciousness, and how people think and form judegements, as i am making the awareness myself. very cool, and great to see other;s seeing. thanks

[Lucyan28]

See the bolded statements above for my responses.

Thank you Somium, I really really appreciate it :hug3:

I think I will have to work on this for some years :smile:

[somnium]

Somnium, I feel you need to try and see yourself from the point of view of the world that you believe is hostile towards you and is persecuting you. I recognise now that I'd have been very close-minded to think this way, but if I'd read this thread a year ago I'd have thought you needed psychiatric help - as I say, I'm not saying that would be a correct judgment, but that's the result of the culture I grew up in, it is, as you say yourself, a very doubting culture and it favours logic and reason over faith and intuition. And it's evolved that way because people grew suspicious of religion and spirituality, because some very cynical individuals and organisations exploited them to further their own agendas - and religion was tarnished by association, and people hear stories like yours and they roll their eyes. I know it's tough to hear, and this is a big spiritual cliché I know, but everything IS at it is and should be.

So I think you need to look at others with fresh eyes, and not see them as enemies who persecute you - that wouldn't be very Christ-like, would it? If i did as you suggested then I would be denying hte reality tha tis truly before me, people do persecute and they did persecute Jesus, to not see them as doing this, is to not see the essence of their true actions.Jesus was nailed to a cross and what did he say? 'Forgive them, for they know not what they do.' Not, as he could have felt justified in saying, 'why do they persecute me so, I'm just trying to help them?' I'm not criticising you, I can perfectly understand why you'd feel that way, but judgment of others hurts you above all else. So when you look at other people, sense them as the presence that animates flesh and bone, and not their judgments about you, not their feelings about you, and not their physical form itself.I see what is within them, and so when they have judgements of me, I see the energy directly, like reading their bodies, their consciousness, and i see their will and intent directly. I can ignore what I see, or i can suspend any feeling within me usually but i cant deny it and say it is not there when i see it and experience it. My problem at the moment is carrying their negative energies with me.

Forget about trying to save the world, or telling people how to save themselves - you have to accept that they are most likely not in the right frame of mind to truly hear what you're saying. Lead by example instead, live to serve others, and rediscover your love for your fellow man. When I see that they are not in the right mind to move into another view, or state, then I build that pathway into that state, beginning slowly, or i force my awareness into them so that i connect to them, and in this state they see as i see, and know as i know.

see bolded statements above for my responses.

[somnium]

Let them hurt themselves. It's their mistakes to make. Their journey.


Not in every state. When i look at the judgements I make of people, i reap what I have sown, and form from the sacred unlimited infinite potential of reality a cursed form. When i seek for the greatness and perfection of God, a reality that is in everything all around me, omnipresent, then i can see into the hearts and minds of men as God. Then the world in that place is no longer the cursed form of evil I have come to know but the form of God all around me, and in everyone, because I seek God, and not man, and not myself and what i know, but i seek God and what God knows. I weep to God in this state because I see that i have sought not Him but my fellow man and myself. And last night i cried to God and said to him why pray alone to you in secret and deny my fellow man the eyes to see, and why do i seek even to be with my fellow man when you say to seek only you.. Dear God I have found you everywhere because then in that state I sought you only, and gave you my trust and power.

[somnium]

Let them hurt themselves. It's their mistakes to make. Their journey.

Well its everything and nothing really together at the same time. It is creation and destruction, it is omnipresence, it is God. but for those who flee from God I call it Infinity. And yes it is aware, aware of all.

In the totality of everything and nothing, you can cast alone the painting, you can cocreate together between people, or youc an enter into someone else`s painting without effecting it.

[somnium]

I have often wondered, How enlightenment ,awakening..whatever, can be so illuminating if it sets one apart from others (the masses), Surely that would engender a sense of isolation along with anything percieved as beneficial.

Then , sometimes, ofcourse the enlightened ones seem to have a need to communicate their divine message with the masses that they seem to regard themselves as separate and apart from.

This whole business of awakening and becoming enlightened seems on the face of it to be fraught with contradictions.

Unless my understanding of it , as well it might be, is skewed.

All motion requires separation. So that one way can split into two, so that you can be yourself, and find a way that is apart from my own, and grow into your own life and choice. Making two things instead of just one. Without separation we would have no motion, no time, no direction. There would be no tomorrow, no future, and you would never change, grow, learn, never live or die, and live again in another way. It takes both unity and separation to create the totality of life and death, freewill and choice. With only one way you would be me, and not be free to find your own way, your own self. And yet through connection we can meet, and share, and you can see my way, and i can see and enter your way. And collectively we can learn, expand, and create maps with infinite number of destinations, destinations that would not exist without separation. I would never have been able to discover for myself my own spiritual journey, to leave the ones that sought to hold and trap me, and I would captive only in that way.

[somnium]

I had to shrink down just to get here. The locals (Earthlings) did their best to pile on the abuse (out of fear of me being different I think). I am on a journey to find ways to express all of who I am. It's not easy in this environment. I have access to many other lifetimes, it has never been easy. In a sense I envy your spiritual friends out there but I also wonder if you are seeing how they live where they are.I am glad you can relate in some ways to me.
I have come to accept everyone is where everyone is. What they do may be painful for you to watch but that is on you not them. They are on their own journey, can you not accept them as they are? Despite the corrosive nature of humans, it is YOU that that causes your torment. In the Buddhist sense, your attachment is causing the suffering. Why do you interfere with the development of humans? for the same reason that you are doing the same thing as I, to share your point of view and your understanding to others. in this way we come together and grow collectively.What makes you think they need or want your help?When I was taught how to be free and how to expereince all the miracles i can now do, i did not really know i needed help, and at first thought i didn;t, but later i saw and am greatful beyond words that these beings taught me what i now know. If it weren;t for their help and awareness I would never had done and grown into what i am today, and that is something i can be thankful for, as well as something that i can contribute to make others lives better, and more aware. They didn't lock you up so much because you were different, they locked you up because you were trying to make them different.No, it is the opposite, and if you read my post you will see that they lock peopl eup just for having magical thinking, or for saying that they have special abilities, telepathiy, magic, telekinesis etc. They lock them up and drug them! THEY try to change YOU. THEY try to force YOU. Why do you think they call it dis-order, because you are creating disorder, to their order, to their control. They ask you can you control other people, and ofcaurse i say no. Can i be who I really am!!

The issue of why not leave versus stay in the world of humans is at the core of where you are not seeing clearly. Really, what is holding you here? There are so many beings out there, why do you insist on interacting with these? You could go hide with them, but your issue will follow you. Unless you are very sure this is your last lifetime, you may as well figure it out here and ‘now’. Remember, you don’t have to be of the world to be in the world.Why do I attack the tyrants of the world, the demonic forms of knowledge that harm us and my brothers and sisters, why do i seek to open their eyes to see as i do, the answer is simple really because i have compassion and understanding, and I love them in my heart, and do not want them to suffer as I have suffered. I want them to find the Infinite power that is within them, and all around them, the choice they too have, as I have found within myself. I was born in this world, of this species and they are of my kind. We share the same potential. I do not hold you view of reincarnation and an endless cycle of the same thing, but use my death for its true purpose to let go, to TRANSCEND to form a new way. You ask how do you transcend, well for starters let go, and do not keep intending the same thing over again with your life`s will and intent. You trap yourself in the cycle.

FYI: if you could remind me how to transcend I would appreciate it.
see statement above.



see above bolded statements for my response.

[silent whisper]

edit, btw the way SW, I saw the awareness form in you as it did, and saw that you could see this in me, saw you seeing me!! I love that when i write or think about writing a post, i can see the reactions of my actions, my consciousness, and how people think and form judegements, as i am making the awareness myself. very cool, and great to see other;s seeing. thanks

OH cool...I love this...we might be twins..lol..

And as for being lazy,lax and self important.. just remember their is a time for all things..including YOU...:)

[somnium]

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[somnium]

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[wstein]

What makes you think they need or want your help? When I was taught how to be free and how to expereince all the miracles i can now do, i did not really know i needed help, and at first thought i didn;t, but later i saw and am greatful beyond words that these beings taught me what i now know. If it weren;t for their help and awareness I would never had done and grown into what i am today, and that is something i can be thankful for, as well as something that i can contribute to make others lives better, and more aware. From my view many are trying to help others in their own way. Many of those caustic religious zealots are genuinely trying to save you. Their intention is to give you the help you need whether or not you can see its value. From your view it is an issue and you respond by shrinking. While you may site greater insight, I doubt you are all knowing (presently any way). As such, how can you be sure you aren’t doing the same kind of harm to other in the name of helping them?

What you did not indicate that would clarify the distinction between assisting and helping is whether or not they took it on themselves to ‘educate’ you. Sure, if someone seeks help, giving it is likely to be to their benefit. The issue with the ignorant is that it is as likely that actually wanted help as didn’t want help. As they don’t even know they need help, they are unlikely to indicate which it might be.

In general (drawn from my experience) acting in a presumptuous manner in aiding others does more harm than good overall.

My current view is do all the miracles you want (hey I am working on the same thing). However, do so because it is in alignment with who you are. Do not deceive yourself by claiming it is the best for others.
Why do I attack the tyrants of the world, the demonic forms of knowledge that harm us and my brothers and sisters, why do i seek to open their eyes to see as i do, the answer is simple really because i have compassion and understanding, and I love them in my heart, and do not want them to suffer as I have suffered. I want them to find the Infinite power that is within them, and all around them, the choice they too have, as I have found within myself. This run-on statement is unclear. Are you indicating that you are loving and compassionate towards the tyrants and/or the brothers and sisters?
I was born in this world, of this species and they are of my kind. We share the same potential. I do not share this with you. I am not of the ‘species’. I have noted that humans are very human centric. They automatically bond with other humans and put human priorities ahead of all else.
I do not hold you view of reincarnation and an endless cycle of the same thing, but use my death for its true purpose to let go, to TRANSCEND to form a new way. You ask how do you transcend, well for starters let go, and do not keep intending the same thing over again with your life`s will and intent. You trap yourself in the cycle. A few just endlessly cycle in place, most slowly drift to new experiences. After extensive reincarnations, ALL ‘new ways’ are just variations of old ways. They effectively become ‘the same thing’, just more and more experiences. At some point more fails to serve any purpose. So I was not referring to endless cycle of the same life, I was referring to endless cycles of ways (new/old/different/ascending/descending).

My intent is not to cycle nor to move on. After so many lifetimes I am ready for it all to cease. Enough is enough. Ascending, descending, lateral moves, there doesn’t seem anywhere left worth bothering with.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

There's an aspect of all this that certainly would bring up the issue of mental health , if discussed on 'normal people' forums . I'm not going to offer any opinion either way, mostly since I'm in no way qualified to do so. I am reminded of a book I read recently : 'The Spiritual Doorway In The Brain' by a neurologist who studies brains (duh) and people's spiritual experiences within that context.

Me , I tend to look at it from the other direstion: the brain as a maniofestation, and evolutionary product of awareness combined with environment and biology . Meaning that , instead of the brain and it's purely electrochemical activity being the genesis and source of awareness/consciousness/experience , it's the opposite: that the conscious potential for manifstation inherent in the fabric of existence itself underlies and has caused biological systems to come into being and evolve self-awareness and experience. Also, that corporeal existence is not required for
awareness and intelligence (which is a no-brainer for most here) .

Anyway, this book identifes many stuctures and functions in the brain as corresponding to various spiritual experiences . The author thinks the brain causes the experience, but I think the experience, the existence and activities on subtle vibrational levels (not acknowledged or detected by scientists) somehow overlaps and is percieved by self-aware beings (people , in our case, mostly :wink: ) and tuned-in brains .

But I don't see it as a black-and-white arrangement ; I think some brains are wired certain ways, and we evolve (spritually.psychologically, etc.) in ways that can rewire our brains , so in essence the brain is like both the screen and the projector, and the things being projected , if that makes sense. I think (and after reading the book it's rather clear) that some structural/wiring situations, and general functionings, in the brain correspond rather directly to certain kind of perceprions and awarenesses. OTOH, I can see it operating like this : a higher self comes here to do this or that, needs a certin type of perceptual/experiential,neurological foundation , manipulates epigenome of host, or finds suitable embryo , or throws darts at the cosmic phone book and then starts working on the host brain so it develops a certain way (I don't know how it works, I'm just making this stuff up as I go , in a way :tongue: ) . But you get the idea , surely ...

The book talks about certain people in history that have been seen as
visionaries and madmen at the same time , and noted probable neurological
connections to this condition . So , this all leaves me wondering about
this thread .... and understand I do not consider it necessarily a bad thing to have the outside world think you're mad , or I'm mad . I've been on the other side of sanity once or twice , and I'm mostly on the sane side these days :D . But some of the stuff I say and maybe believe might raise a few
psychologists's eyebrows.

Well, if I have a point, it's that there is often a fine line between madness and genius , or wacko-nutty and super-enlightened, or delusional and visionary , and what other people think isn't necessarily the most important thing (and maybe not important at all) to be concerned about .

two more cents , FWIW :cool:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

My intent is not to cycle nor to move on. After so many lifetimes I am ready for it all to cease. Enough is enough. Ascending, descending, lateral moves, there doesn’t seem anywhere left worth bothering with.
You sound like my wife, there :wink: I like you :tongue:
I'm not sure what I'm up to . I feel young but I also want to dissolve back into .....

Reminds me of what an astrologer told me many, many moons ago :
"maybe you'll just see a whole bunch of light when you die"

I have liked your other comments too, wstein .

DS

[BlueSky]

There's nothing left worth bothering with in this amazing thing called life?
The laugh of a child alone is worth a million more lifetimes....

[BlueSky]

You might ask yourself why a flag is raised just because someone sets themselves apart?

Perhaps in your own awareness of separation and union you might think things have to be a certain way in the ending of another's separation or awakening. That can lead to ideas of *How things *should* be and not how things might be in new ways of that awakening...:)

So what is so intriguing?
What is so intriguing to me is that at one time or another I would have responded as everyone here did. At one time I could have started this thread as well. I've held so many different views over the years. What else is interesting is that it's like no one cares what this guy has to say beyond how what he says relates to their story. I'm no different.

[wstein]

There's nothing left worth bothering with in this amazing thing called life?
The laugh of a child alone is worth a million more lifetimes.... Sure a million for that, a million for this, a million more each for a million reasons. I agree there are lots of reasons to incarnate.

However you add it up, eventually all those millions have been lived. Then what?

This is likely one of the reasons people 'forget' when they incarnate.

[silent whisper]

What is so intriguing to me is that at one time or another I would have responded as everyone here did. At one time I could have started this thread as well. I've held so many different views over the years. What else is interesting is that it's like no one cares what this guy has to say beyond how what he says relates to their story. I'm no different.


Well what do you think brings people together, commonality is one factor..so shared commonality is what life can be about. I think care comes in many forms of that connection.. My own support in this thread was both through shared understanding through my own story but also I had an intention to listen to sominium and let his story play out with a more conscious awareness beyond my own..

SO that *no one cares* you see was not my intention at all maybe others, but I cant speak for them..... perhaps it is just where you reside at present, maybe your seeking to care in a new way on the forum, not in the way you mentioned. We are all evolving I suppose in new ways all the time...Noticing this stuff is what I am noticing through your own noticing, but then I don't always notice things that are true to others...so nm if I am noticing you in this way and I am way off...just delete it from your memory once you have read it....:)

[Ivy]

There's an aspect of all this that certainly would bring up the issue of mental health , if discussed on 'normal people' forums . I'm not going to offer any opinion either way, mostly since I'm in no way qualified to do so. I am reminded of a book I read recently : 'The Spiritual Doorway In The Brain' by a neurologist who studies brains (duh) and people's spiritual experiences within that context.

Me , I tend to look at it from the other direstion: the brain as a maniofestation, and evolutionary product of awareness combined with environment and biology . Meaning that , instead of the brain and it's purely electrochemical activity being the genesis and source of awareness/consciousness/experience , it's the opposite: that the conscious potential for manifstation inherent in the fabric of existence itself underlies and has caused biological systems to come into being and evolve self-awareness and experience. Also, that corporeal existence is not required for
awareness and intelligence (which is a no-brainer for most here) .

Anyway, this book identifes many stuctures and functions in the brain as corresponding to various spiritual experiences . The author thinks the brain causes the experience, but I think the experience, the existence and activities on subtle vibrational levels (not acknowledged or detected by scientists) somehow overlaps and is percieved by self-aware beings (people , in our case, mostly :wink: ) and tuned-in brains .

But I don't see it as a black-and-white arrangement ; I think some brains are wired certain ways, and we evolve (spritually.psychologically, etc.) in ways that can rewire our brains , so in essence the brain is like both the screen and the projector, and the things being projected , if that makes sense. I think (and after reading the book it's rather clear) that some structural/wiring situations, and general functionings, in the brain correspond rather directly to certain kind of perceprions and awarenesses. OTOH, I can see it operating like this : a higher self comes here to do this or that, needs a certin type of perceptual/experiential,neurological foundation , manipulates epigenome of host, or finds suitable embryo , or throws darts at the cosmic phone book and then starts working on the host brain so it develops a certain way (I don't know how it works, I'm just making this stuff up as I go , in a way :tongue: ) . But you get the idea , surely ...

The book talks about certain people in history that have been seen as
visionaries and madmen at the same time , and noted probable neurological
connections to this condition . So , this all leaves me wondering about
this thread .... and understand I do not consider it necessarily a bad thing to have the outside world think you're mad , or I'm mad . I've been on the other side of sanity once or twice , and I'm mostly on the sane side these days :D . But some of the stuff I say and maybe believe might raise a few
psychologists's eyebrows.

Well, if I have a point, it's that there is often a fine line between madness and genius , or wacko-nutty and super-enlightened, or delusional and visionary , and what other people think isn't necessarily the most important thing (and maybe not important at all) to be concerned about .

two more cents , FWIW :cool:


Having read some of this thread, I feel some concern for certain mental health traits that are showing. But for me that line is not about whether a person is aware or not, so much as it is about the persons mental and emotional response to awareness.

If that becomes angry and bitter, or shows as a need to force 'so called' healing on others, then that is becoming (or is) a mental health issue.

People can be extremely aware, but don't have the capacity to live with that awareness emotionally. As we become aware, healing the mental and emotional aspects of ourselves is imperative to the holistic life that we are living in. It is not either awareness or mental health - both spiritual/mental and emotional awareness run together.

[Cmt12]

People can be extremely aware, but don't have the capacity to live with that awareness emotionally. As we become aware, healing the mental and emotional aspects of ourselves is imperative to the holistic life that we are living in. It is not either awareness or mental health - both spiritual/mental and emotional awareness run together.

I agree with your last sentence so I disagree with the first sentence. The escapism, paranoia, victim mentality, and controlling behavior point to a lack of emotional awareness which means a lack of spiritual awareness. Unless we have different ideas about how we become more spiritually aware..

[Ivy]

I agree with your last sentence so I disagree with the first sentence. The escapism, paranoia, victim mentality, and controlling behavior point to a lack of emotional awareness which means a lack of spiritual awareness. Unless we have different ideas about how we become more spiritually aware..

Yes. I mean people can be psychically aware, tuned in to energies, or have developed an intricate intellectual understanding of how the universe/people etc work, but not have the emotional development to handle that.

[God-Like]

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Well, if I have a point, it's that there is often a fine line between madness and genius , or wacko-nutty and super-enlightened, or delusional and visionary , and what other people think isn't necessarily the most important thing (and maybe not important at all) to be concerned about .


Hey Dar

My uncle was sectioned 20 years ago cos he flipped his lid having a mental breakdown .

Within the hospital he became aware of mind powers that he didn't know existed .

He felt like God, he was getting others in the ward to stand up and sit down and such likes just by his will .

Was he crazy, some would say absolutely yes, some would say ... yer man that's far out and cool and totally groovy .. :icon_flower:


x daz x

[Cmt12]

Yes. I mean people can be psychically aware, tuned in to energies, or have developed an intricate intellectual understanding of how the universe/people etc work, but not have the emotional development to handle that.

Thinking about it more I take back what I said. I agree with you. I think spiritual awareness can happen without emotional awareness but I don't think spiritual development can happen without emotional awareness.

So I guess that means I think spiritual development is different than spiritual awareness. Spiritual development to me is ego related so it can't be done without dealing with negative emotions. Awareness comes as a result of that but you can also become spiritually aware in other ways like you said. Okay, I think I have it sorted out now :smile:

[Baile]

Yes. I mean people can be psychically aware, tuned in to energies, or have developed an intricate intellectual understanding of how the universe/people etc work, but not have the emotional development to handle that.Each step on the spiritual path requires three steps on the self-development moral path. Self-development, self-awareness, moral development... it's the difference between blaming the world and faulting the so-called spiritually uneducated masses, versus taking inner responsibility for one's negative, pessimistic attitude and outlook. Your last two posts are spot on.

[BlueSky]

Sure a million for that, a million for this, a million more each for a million reasons. I agree there are lots of reasons to incarnate.

However you add it up, eventually all those millions have been lived. Then what?

This is likely one of the reasons people 'forget' when they incarnate.
Living is pretty awesome. What do you think not living is like?

[BlueSky]

Well what do you think brings people together, commonality is one factor..so shared commonality is what life can be about. I think care comes in many forms of that connection.. My own support in this thread was both through shared understanding through my own story but also I had an intention to listen to sominium and let his story play out with a more conscious awareness beyond my own..

SO that *no one cares* you see was not my intention at all maybe others, but I cant speak for them..... perhaps it is just where you reside at present, maybe your seeking to care in a new way on the forum, not in the way you mentioned. We are all evolving I suppose in new ways all the time...Noticing this stuff is what I am noticing through your own noticing, but then I don't always notice things that are true to others...so nm if I am noticing you in this way and I am way off...just delete it from your memory once you have read it....:)
Unfortunately "no one cares " took away from what I was trying to say and understandably so. When I typed it I knew it but didn't bother to look for a better choice of words.
I'm just saying it's hard for humans to listen without comparing to their own views. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just interesting and it has nothing to do with how I wish to interact on the forum. We feel our views are what we learned and therefore can be used as a yardstick to compare conflicting views and I think that is what is really happening.
Personally I wanted to believe Somnium and listened openly until he started with his negative view of others. I don't think that indicate his emotional immaturity dealing with his spiritual growth. I think it is the source of his experiences within the mind thought to be spiritual.

[A human Being]

Somnium - I wasn't suggesting that you overlook peoples' actions and judgments towards you; heavens no, that would be folly indeed. I was simply saying, don't judge people by their actions, see them in silence and sense their presence. Jesus recognised what his persecutors did (he talked about 'what they do,' after all), he just didn't judge them for it, and dehumanise them, which I feel is what you're doing.

[silent whisper]

Unfortunately "no one cares " took away from what I was trying to say and understandably so. When I typed it I knew it but didn't bother to look for a better choice of words.
I'm just saying it's hard for humans to listen without comparing to their own views. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just interesting and it has nothing to do with how I wish to interact on the forum. We feel our views are what we learned and therefore can be used as a yardstick to compare conflicting views and I think that is what is really happening.
Personally I wanted to believe Somnium and listened openly until he started with his negative view of others. I don't think that indicate his emotional immaturity dealing with his spiritual growth. I think it is the source of his experiences within the mind thought to be spiritual.

Sometimes sharing is just sharing not a view..but your entitled to yours of course..

Sometimes when we are wanting to believe people rather than accept where they are at and allow the interactions to evolve as they will, we place an expectation on the sharing almost immediately. It then becomes a perceived, *not ideal* situation in that view.. Negativity is part of the process of evolving for many. Some people here at sf seem to think people *SHOULD* be somewhere else, when they are where they are and moving from that place, for their own journey..That comes through a select few in this thread quite clearly as they often do in other threads as well with people they percieve should be somewhere else.

[BlueSky]

Sometimes sharing is just sharing not a view..but your entitled to yours of course..

Sometimes when we are wanting to believe people rather than accept where they are at and allow the interactions to evolve as they will, we place an expectation on the sharing almost immediately. It then becomes a perceived, *not ideal* situation in that view.. Negativity is part of the process of evolving for many. Some people here at sf seem to think people *SHOULD* be somewhere else, when they are where they are and moving from that place, for their own journey..That comes through a select few in this thread quite clearly as they often do in other threads as well with people they percieve should be somewhere else.
You accept people where they are because you believe that they are on your path. You believe there is a path and that there are many ways to reach a common goal. Others believe there is one way but the energy from both are the same. IMO of course

[Cmt12]

Each step on the spiritual path requires three steps on the self-development moral path. Self-development, self-awareness, moral development... it's the difference between blaming the world and faulting the so-called spiritually uneducated masses, versus taking inner responsibility for one's negative, pessimistic attitude and outlook. Your last two posts are spot on.

To expand on this a bit, we all slip into negative mindsets at times and feel frustrated or impatient towards others. A natural consequence of spiritual development, at least in my experience, is that the heat gets turned up as we delve deeper into our minds and become more aware; we become more exposed to the suffering below the surface. Alternatively, people are born into a spectrum of how much they are already exposed to this suffering based on inheritance. So, it's expected that every once in a while you are going to be sucked into it and lose you're spiritual perspective for an egoic one when the fire is blazing. At times, I feel the need to isolate myself when I'm really feeling the heat and I'm susceptible to it. Spiritual practice is not so much that you never get sucked into the fire, but it's the constant self awareness that when you do, you are able to recognize it and separate yourself quickly.

But it's when you unconsciously deny the fire is there and get sucked into it for long periods of time to the point that it shapes your beliefs and behaviors in harmful ways, that is when mental health becomes a concern. The denial of the fire compounds with a web of defense mechanisms and pain avoidance adaptations that have to be worked through one by one. Eventually, if it isn't dealt with the mind may adapt in negative ways such as personality disorders or schizophrenia. Having a blazing fire will often have that polarizing effect of either pushing you toward or away from spiritual development depending on how you deal with pain. So, yes it is a fine line. Consciousness, self awareness, and pain tolerance, or pain awareness, are the three tools you need. To get off the path, you have to be either unconscious or in denial.

I want to say this and I'm probably in the minority, but I don't believe anyone is beyond hope of being able to turn around. I don't believe that is wishful thinking either. Now, how much of what I am saying applies to this thread? It's hard to be certain on an Internet forum and with the limited information, but mental health is definitely a concern with people that pursue spiritual development. Regardless, we have access to the tools we need to make sure it doesn't become an issue.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Hey Dar

My uncle was sectioned 20 years ago cos he flipped his lid having a mental breakdown .

Within the hospital he became aware of mind powers that he didn't know existed .

He felt like God, he was getting others in the ward to stand up and sit down and such likes just by his will .

Was he crazy, some would say absolutely yes, some would say ... yer man that's far out and cool and totally groovy .. :icon_flower:


x daz x

Both, perhaps :D

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Each step on the spiritual path requires three steps on the self-development moral path. Self-development, self-awareness, moral development... it's the difference between blaming the world and faulting the so-called spiritually uneducated masses, versus taking inner responsibility for one's negative, pessimistic attitude and outlook. Your last two posts are spot on.

Also, seeing that everyone is responsible for their own condition . Back to what I was saying about sovereignty : the roles of helper and helpless are old world models, dysfunctional artifacts of outmoded ways of being . Everybody serves everybody else , and nobody is above or below the other .
But getting away from familiar roles of either leading or following isn't necessarily easy :smile:

[silent whisper]

You accept people where they are because you believe that they are on your path. You believe there is a path and that there are many ways to reach a common goal. Others believe there is one way but the energy from both are the same. IMO of course

Of course that is your opinion..

As was mine and everyone else in the mix....:)

But I would disagree with the word energy as being the same...

Energy can be a intermingled with much else so both may not necessarily be the same....:)

[BlueSky]

Of course that is your opinion..

As was mine and everyone else in the mix....:)

But I would disagree with the word energy as being the same...

Energy can be a intermingled with much else so both may not necessarily be the same....:)
Agreed. Yours is intermingled with kindness and love always. IMO of course

[wstein]

What do you think not living is like? Isn't that self answering? It's not like anything, it's nothing.

[silent whisper]

Agreed. Yours is intermingled with kindness and love always. IMO of course


And what you see is you in that view. I would say in that view I see you too..but that is just my opinion others may disagree with both of us.....:wink:

[silent whisper]

Isn't that self answering? It's not like anything, it's nothing.


How do you define not living? Meaning someone completely shut down in a way you define as *not living* or dead?

[somnium]

From my view many are trying to help others in their own way. Many of those caustic religious zealots are genuinely trying to save you. Their intention is to give you the help you need whether or not you can see its value. While you may site greater insight, I doubt you are all knowing (presently any way). As such, how can you be sure you aren’t doing the same kind of harm to other in the name of helping them?Î do not form the way for another, but only show them how to form their own way, how to choose their own way by seeing the essence of free potenital forming in the moment right now. My teachings give them the pure awareness to see the essence of what is before them, what is forming their world and experience, i do not tell them what is there, but show them how to see for themselves. They can choose then to follow any path they want, and all the while seeing the path for what it is. If I were to accept your awareness i would be forming doubt within myself and would be intending the possibility of harming them. however my teachings and help does not ever form destructive knowledge to them, but allows them to see and stop desrtuctive knowledge from forming within their reality. To see for themseves how they are hurting themselves, and how to choose not to form that harmful way for themselves or for others.

In general (drawn from my experience) acting in a presumptuous manner in aiding others does more harm than good overall. Well when I see someone unaware and hurting themselves and others it is not to presumptuous to assume they need help. They do not know they need help because they are unaware themselves, but through my own awareness I can see that they do in fact need help. Otherwise they would not be hurting themselves, limiting themselves, others, and the world around them. They may even know that they can create their own choices, whereas i do, and so by helping them see this does not harm.

My current view is do all the miracles you want (hey I am working on the same thing). However, do so because it is in alignment with who you are. Do not deceive yourself by claiming it is the best for others.My original statement to which you made this statement was that found freedom, and then used that freedom to learn to perform any action I want, which is referred to by most average people as miracles. How can i deceive myself to assume that people want total freedom, freedom to know and learn anything, to do anything. Who wouldn;t want that. Are you so certain I am deceiving myself..

Are you indicating that you are loving and compassionate towards the tyrants and/or the brothers and sisters?If the tyrant does not know that he or she is harming people, and once learning that they are does not want to continue harming them, then I have love and compassion for them and am happy that they can learn from others and correct the error of their ways. People can make mistakes and are free to learn from them. However if they are knowingly harming people and choose to do this then I have no compassion nor love for them.

I do not share this with you. I am not of the ‘species’. I have noted that humans are very human centric. They automatically bond with other humans and put human priorities ahead of all else.This is not how I am, however I grew up and was raised by humans in a human world. I went to school and had friends and my companions were humans. Is this not the same for you!! And so even though I am not human centric, I can relate with humans which in a human world, and can relate with playfarians in a playfarian world, pure awareness in an inorganic world. My `centric`nature can gravitate to any position without resistence, yet I do have within me a love for my fellow humans, despite the fact that i have moved far away from them all. I remember and i can understand. I can yearn for human contact.

A few just endlessly cycle in place, most slowly drift to new experiences. After extensive reincarnations, ALL ‘new ways’ are just variations of old ways. They effectively become ‘the same thing’, just more and more experiences. At some point more fails to serve any purpose. So I was not referring to endless cycle of the same life, I was referring to endless cycles of ways (new/old/different/ascending/descending).

My intent is not to cycle nor to move on. After so many lifetimes I am ready for it all to cease. Enough is enough. Ascending, descending, lateral moves, there doesn’t seem anywhere left worth bothering with.Infinity is limitless, and eternal, it will endlessly create new things, new ways, and new forms of life. To think you will incarnate again and again as a human is a very short sighted intent in my opinion. We cling to what we know, and in doing so we fear the uinknown and intend a cycle of the same. However when we let go and realize that we know very very very very little, then we intend not the known anymore, but what is beyond our own experience. you say that you have experienced all there is and are tired of it, but i think you delude yourself and do not know all there is and have not experienced everything there is to experience. You just intend the same experiences over and over again, and you intend yourself to become bored with them too. But you can intend a position of awareness that sees and never tires of the pure wonder and joy that exists in every little thing. You can train yourself to see the miracle of every small thing, and the magic of every small thing. And of course you can let go to experience something you have never even fathomed in your human existence. Not all ways build of the same way, as you say, but when you let go of the way, you can let a new way form, because the old way is gone and leaves you an open new way, free from the last experience. Yet if you intend the saem way to form then you can do that too.

see bolded statements for my responses.

[somnium]

Also, seeing that everyone is responsible for their own condition . Back to what I was saying about sovereignty : the roles of helper and helpless are old world models, dysfunctional artifacts of outmoded ways of being . Everybody serves everybody else , and nobody is above or below the other .
But getting away from familiar roles of either leading or following isn't necessarily easy :smile:

Really because i see that most people are conditioned and shoved into a box by the tyrants of the world. The sciences, and the corporations. How many people work their asses off just to work for the man while the man makes all the billions of dollars, while the tyrant claims the earth for himself, and all the earth`s resources. Why should the man have it all, and make us pay for it, and work our asses off for it. How many times has science, schooling, and parents told you what the world is, demanding that this is the world for all. But you know what... it isn;t the world and you do not have to follow that way. What is around the corner is not there yet, not formed yet, and you can find it for yourself, choose it for yourself. But the man tells you that the world is already there, already formed, and already owned, and so when you do learn that you are manifesting your own way you end up manifesting the way for others to own your world. You cast the way, but you cast it for them. I break away from this manifestation, and try to help others see, but nonetheless for humans this is the world they are captive within, and their power and their choice is stolen from them, and they do not even know it. Nope, they trusted the people who told them the world was the way it was, and it formed in that form as a result of abused trust. Stolen power. And they say money makes the world go around, and money is what real power is, and so you think then that you need money for everything, meanwhile they made you invest your real power in money. Meanwhile you can learn to manifest what you want reality to be, and anything in it, without a goddamn cent.

[somnium]

Thank you Somium, I really really appreciate it :hug3:

I think I will have to work on this for some years :smile:

That`s a good attitude, and you will indeed learn much. I would plant a small seed though, you may learn quicker then you think and expect.

[wstein]

How do you define not living? Meaning someone completely shut down in a way you define as *not living* or dead? Ok, point taken, perhaps its not so obvious.

Strictly speaking 'not living' simple means to not be alive as in not growing/developing (in form). So to be not living would be to experience as a rock or wind or pure consciousness. I have experienced being non-living things for short times within this lifetime.

Living is pretty awesome. What do you think not living is like?
'not living' in the above sense is not what I was referring to, that term came from Capacity, not me.

After so many lifetimes I am ready for it all to cease. When I say cease I mean there is nothing at all, no life, universes, no concepts, no possibilities; a total and complete lack of anything

[wstein]

Well when I see someone unaware and hurting themselves and others it is not to presumptuous to assume they need help. They do not know they need help because they are unaware themselves, but through my own awareness I can see that they do in fact need help. We differ here. Assuming is almost by definition presumptuous.

Yeah, pretty much everyone could benefit from help. That does not mean your efforts to help them will benefit them.

I get that you are confident of your ability to identify what might actually be to their benefit. I can’t say that is a wrong thing to do.

Otherwise they would not be hurting themselves, limiting themselves, others, and the world around them. They may even know that they can create their own choices, whereas i do, and so by helping them see this does not harm. The way you learn something is not the way others do. The help they might need at a moment of hurting might not be to fix the hurt. They may in fact be exploring what is like to not have choice. When one is fully expressing themselves, they don’t need ‘choice’. Do you see that possibility?

Are you so certain I am deceiving myself.. No, it is my assessment based on a few posts and a bit of energy they contain.

Infinity is limitless, and eternal, it will endlessly create new things, new ways, and new forms of life. No doubt about that.

you say that you have experienced all there is and are tired of it, but i think you delude yourself and do not know all there is and have not experienced everything there is to experience. Certainly not, I most definitely have not experienced everything. What I am trying to communicate that I have experienced enough. The rest just seems to be endless variation. Really it has not more point or value than what I have experienced. I don’t see how more quantity adds anything worthwhile.

But you can intend a position of awareness that sees and never tires of the pure wonder and joy that exists in every little thing.

You can train yourself to see the miracle of every small thing, and the magic of every small thing. Ok, no disagreement. Be that way forever. Why? What is SO grand about wonder and joy that you might want to do it endlessly? In the infinite; tired, wonder, and joy are just infinitesimals.

[silent whisper]

Ok, point taken, perhaps its not so obvious.

Strictly speaking 'not living' simple means to not be alive as in not growing/developing (in form). So to be not living would be to experience as a rock or wind or pure consciousness. I have experienced being non-living things for short times within this lifetime.

hmmm...but isn't everything alive?


'not living' in the above sense is not what I was referring to, that term came from Capacity, not me.

When I say cease I mean there is nothing at all, no life, universes, no concepts, no possibilities; a total and complete lack of anything

at what point do you perceive nothing at all...is there not always something in nothing, even if your own receptors may not pick it up?

[wstein]

To think you will incarnate again and again as a human is a very short sighted intent in my opinion. We cling to what we know, and in doing so we fear the uinknown and intend a cycle of the same. However when we let go and realize that we know very very very very little, then we intend not the known anymore, but what is beyond our own experience.

You just intend the same experiences over and over again, and you intend yourself to become bored with them too. Are you speaking to me in this?

Just to be clear, this is my one and only incarnation in this universe and as a human (or human like) physical form. It is my pattern to not repeat incarnation in the same form. In the surveys of hundreds (thousands?) of forms I lived as, three is the maximum number of repetitions I have found. My experiences span at least from worm to the only thing in a universe. Lifespans in equivalent terms of days to trillions of years. There are all manner of universes those creatures lived in with different ways of being and different laws of nature.

Just to be clear, I have never had a ‘human perspective’. That is one of the ways I always knew I was ‘different’.

I don’t think this getting stuck in human repeating the same life over and over again applies to me.

[somnium]

The way you learn something is not the way others do.The way i see it is that awareness is activated in the same way for every living being i have ever seen. When you activate the awareness that sees that you are the one hurting yourself and how, then that is the same awareness for everyone. The help they might need at a moment of hurting might not be to fix the hurt.hey if you want to hurt yourself feel free, but knowing how you are hurting yourself, and how to stop hurting yourself, how to free yourself, is not hurting. But yeah you can choose to keep hurting yourself. But who wouldn;t want to know how not to hurt yourself! They may in fact be exploring what is like to not have choice. When one is fully expressing themselves, they don’t need ‘choice’. Do you see that possibility?You can submit yourself, surender to the will and choice of God or a higher power, but that is still your choice. You may not always be making choices, but you are always living them. And awareness of how to make any choice you want is not a bad thing in my books, and can do no harm but the harm you choose to do. The only time you are living without choice is if you do not know you have one and others choose for you, but who wants to be a slave!!


Certainly not, I most definitely have not experienced everything.That said how can you say that there is not more point, purpose, or worth to come into your llife!! What I am trying to communicate that I have experienced enough.Me too, and I am happy with what i have seen and done, but who is to say what will come! What glorious existence there is yet to live!! I may not need more, but more is sure to come! The rest just seems to be endless variation. Really it has not more point or value than what I have experienced. I don’t see how more quantity adds anything worthwhile.See above.. and ofcourse more quantity adds more worth, it can add more anything. If you intend to find nothing worthwhile then i see you are cursing your future to come.

Ok, no disagreement. Be that way forever. Why? What is SO grand about wonder and joy that you might want to do it endlessly? Who is to say what limit there is to wonder and joy, you can expand it to measures beyond what you have ever known. You think you know what wonder truly is, and joy... just wait till you expand beyond your horizons, and what will come. I understand you dont always want the same feeling and emotion, surely, and you do not have to intend that, but it seemed to me you are not in touch with the miracle of life, and how far this miracle can become. If you did how could you intend to no longer live!! that is sad to me, and seems to miss out on the splendor of life, the unknown mystery of it all, and the joy of uncovering that mystery. Who knows what you will find.
see above bolded statements for my response.

[somnium]

Are you speaking to me in this?

Just to be clear, I have never had a ‘human perspective’. That is one of the ways I always knew I was ‘different’. Well i never fit in, and didn;t think as humans did, but that is still my human perspective. it may be different from the majority but still my perspective of humans, and living with them.

I don’t think this getting stuck in human repeating the same life over and over again applies to me.whew... and thank god! no that human is a bad thing, because we have unlimited potential, but i wouldnt want to live again and again and again as a human on earth. i find many people who accept reincarnation often see this as the way of reincarnation, because that is all they know.

laaa laaa la la la laaaa.

[silent whisper]

laaa laaa la la la laaaa.

What does la la laaa mean?

Just curious ??...and I will add I loved your last response to wstein...:)

[somnium]

What does la la laaa mean?

Just curious ??...and I will add I loved your last response to wstein...:)


hehe just picture a bouncing ball going from word to word as I sing! I was tired of saying `please see bolded statements above for response` blaaaah, and so I just sang a lil diddy, Hope you enjoy my singing voice too, I have worked on it in magical ways for a long time!!

Thanks SW.

[silent whisper]

hehe just picture a bouncing ball going from word to word as I sing! I was tired of saying `please see bolded statements above for response` blaaaah, and so I just sang a lil diddy, Hope you enjoy my singing voice too, I have worked on it in magical ways for a long time!!

Thanks SW.

Oh now I see lol..

All I saw was the lalala and missed the bolded part..lol.

now I see it..:D

I meant the response before that one..but will read this one too now..

[BlueSky]

Really because i see that most people are conditioned and shoved into a box by the tyrants of the world. The sciences, and the corporations. How many people work their asses off just to work for the man while the man makes all the billions of dollars, while the tyrant claims the earth for himself, and all the earth`s resources. Why should the man have it all, and make us pay for it, and work our asses off for it. How many times has science, schooling, and parents told you what the world is, demanding that this is the world for all. But you know what... it isn;t the world and you do not have to follow that way. What is around the corner is not there yet, not formed yet, and you can find it for yourself, choose it for yourself. But the man tells you that the world is already there, already formed, and already owned, and so when you do learn that you are manifesting your own way you end up manifesting the way for others to own your world. You cast the way, but you cast it for them. I break away from this manifestation, and try to help others see, but nonetheless for humans this is the world they are captive within, and their power and their choice is stolen from them, and they do not even know it. Nope, they trusted the people who told them the world was the way it was, and it formed in that form as a result of abused trust. Stolen power. And they say money makes the world go around, and money is what real power is, and so you think then that you need money for everything, meanwhile they made you invest your real power in money. Meanwhile you can learn to manifest what you want reality to be, and anything in it, without a goddamn cent.
At one point you said "really all there is is nothing" and that life is a blank canvas. Who do you think is painting it? Who are the ones you say are conditioned? Who is the being you visited in another dimension?
A painting on the canvas? Or the painter or something else?

[somnium]

At one point you said "really all there is is nothing" and that life is a blank canvas. Who do you think is painting it? Who are the ones you say are conditioned? Who is the being you visited in another dimension?
A painting on the canvas? Or the painter or something else?

its everything and nothing. anything can be placed into, onto, the empty canvas. nothingness is how i go free, i detach from all i know, because there is nothing there yet, and yet there is everything, and nothing as well. if you can understand this then you can select anything, out of everything, to place into the space of nothingness. or you can even seek the source directly and experience everything and nothing all at once. the totality of creation and destruction. it is to become omnipresent, to merge with the totality of all life in all ways, and all death in all ways, at the saem time, every possibility of creation and destruction.

in the human collective it is the collective that paints together, but most in the human dimension that i come from, and often enter into, have been enslaved, as I mention. but you can paint alone if you want, or anything you can think of. That is not to say that you must experience the same dimension that i point out, to form that dimension into the space of nothingness. but merely that this is the average human perception of the world in which i come from, the earth, the money the greed, the science etc. many dimensions of humans exist, in any way i can think of, and yet i was speaking only of the dimension in which i was raised, and often hear people in this forum speaking of. that is the dimension that i am currently placing my awareness in, because as I see it they need the help, and the awareness to be free.

but please, by all means, do not form to that world nor support it, and feel free to paint your own experience, and leave the world behind. sure it will still exist, and yet it also will not, and you can enter into the empty space all around you, not yet formed, free and fluid, to form for yourself, or with others, the possibilities are endless!

to be or not to be, that is the question. the free will, the choice.

i hope that is not too confusing.

[God-Like]

at what point do you perceive nothing at all...is there not always something in nothing, even if your own receptors may not pick it up?

at the point (you) are 'not the point' of perception . When there is no (you) to perceive there is nothing in reflection of that .


x daz x

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

its everything and nothing. anything can be placed into, onto, the empty canvas. nothingness is how i go free, i detach from all i know, because there is nothing there yet, and yet there is everything, and nothing as well. if you can understand this then you can select anything, out of everything, to place into the space of nothingness. or you can even seek the source directly and experience everything and nothing all at once. the totality of creation and destruction. it is to become omnipresent, to merge with the totality of all life in all ways, and all death in all ways, at the saem time, every possibility of creation and destruction.

in the human collective it is the collective that paints together, but most in the human dimension that i come from, and often enter into, have been enslaved, as I mention. but you can paint alone if you want, or anything you can think of. That is not to say that you must experience the same dimension that i point out, to form that dimension into the space of nothingness. but merely that this is the average human perception of the world in which i come from, the earth, the money the greed, the science etc. many dimensions of humans exist, in any way i can think of, and yet i was speaking only of the dimension in which i was raised, and often hear people in this forum speaking of. that is the dimension that i am currently placing my awareness in, because as I see it they need the help, and the awareness to be free.

but please, by all means, do not form to that world nor support it, and feel free to paint your own experience, and leave the world behind. sure it will still exist, and yet it also will not, and you can enter into the empty space all around you, not yet formed, free and fluid, to form for yourself, or with others, the possibilities are endless!

to be or not to be, that is the question. the free will, the choice.

i hope that is not too confusing.
Not confusing at all. Everybody does that . They choose every step of their way . They don't need help . They choose where they are. It's not appropriate for anyone to un-choose anyone else's choices for them .
They don't choose to leave the world behind this minute ; it's their choice . Your set of choices is yours, and nobody else's place to manipulate them for you . Again : sovereignty . Something that is lost a lot in this world , but ever-present on higher planes (5D and up) , yes?. All beings painting their own realities, all minding their own business , not interfering with each other . It cannot be otherwise :smile:

[silent whisper]

At one point you said "really all there is is nothing" and that life is a blank canvas. Who do you think is painting it? Who are the ones you say are conditioned? Who is the being you visited in another dimension?
A painting on the canvas? Or the painter or something else?

That is so many questions, good job sominum is so patient with you people wanting to understand him, not bring your own into it...:wink:

[silent whisper]

at the point (you) are 'not the point' of perception . When there is no (you) to perceive there is nothing in reflection of that .


x daz x


Hello wstein..:tongue:


I am going to challenge you in a minute when I find something to challenge..so there..:tongue:

[God-Like]

Hello wstein..:tongue:


I am going to challenge you in a minute when I find something to challenge..so there..:tongue:

Bring it on stinky whisperer :D


x daz x

[silent whisper]

Bring it on stinky whisperer :D


x daz x

I will smelly belly don't you worry bout that old man...*was going to say young man, but thought I might insult you*...:tongue:

[silent whisper]

Bring it on stinky whisperer :D


x daz x


Lol.

Just as I read that I took my feet out of my shoes...oh boy...lets just say in a little whisper they are a bit smelly..I know your a sensing type but hey.. sniffing feet is really quite desperate..lol... ..:tongue:

[Ralph]

I've got a challenge for anyone who wishes to do something 'good'.

A few years ago I've asked 'the son' (also named 'the young man sitting on the wall') - a high spirit who will exist forever - to create more exteme Islamic followers and have Islamic followers to fight more fearsly for their belief. He agreed to this and called it 'our secret'. I now regret this 'wish' and would like to put an end to the growing agressive Islamic extremism you can see nowadays. So if you can help to stop this growing agression then I would be very gratefull.

Ps. It is kinda difficult for me nowadays to communicate with 'the son' otherwise I would off course have asked him myself to put an end to this 'secret'.

[BlueSky]

its everything and nothing. anything can be placed into, onto, the empty canvas. nothingness is how i go free, i detach from all i know, because there is nothing there yet, and yet there is everything, and nothing as well. if you can understand this then you can select anything, out of everything, to place into the space of nothingness. or you can even seek the source directly and experience everything and nothing all at once. the totality of creation and destruction. it is to become omnipresent, to merge with the totality of all life in all ways, and all death in all ways, at the saem time, every possibility of creation and destruction.

in the human collective it is the collective that paints together, but most in the human dimension that i come from, and often enter into, have been enslaved, as I mention. but you can paint alone if you want, or anything you can think of. That is not to say that you must experience the same dimension that i point out, to form that dimension into the space of nothingness. but merely that this is the average human perception of the world in which i come from, the earth, the money the greed, the science etc. many dimensions of humans exist, in any way i can think of, and yet i was speaking only of the dimension in which i was raised, and often hear people in this forum speaking of. that is the dimension that i am currently placing my awareness in, because as I see it they need the help, and the awareness to be free.

but please, by all means, do not form to that world nor support it, and feel free to paint your own experience, and leave the world behind. sure it will still exist, and yet it also will not, and you can enter into the empty space all around you, not yet formed, free and fluid, to form for yourself, or with others, the possibilities are endless!

to be or not to be, that is the question. the free will, the choice.

i hope that is not too confusing.
Thank you for your response. My experiences are very similar to yours but my take on it is somewhat different. I think all of This represents the full present use of the fact that possibilities are endless. It's evolving constantly and it's really all there is so it includes the man and greed and love and the world and your insights and mine. It will evolve on it's own from the ground of being.
Thank you for insights

[BlueSky]

A question one might ask themselves if one believes that all possibilities are endless, is what would you change assuming you had that power.
Personally I see the beauty in the way life/being unfolds and the need for it to unfold the way it does. With such power, all I would do is be the change I wished to see in the world. Be myself.
I also can see that my ability to see that power and my choice to be the change, to be myself, is really the power working thru me.

What would YOU change?

[jonesboy]

The only thing you can change is yourself. I assure you if you find fault in others you are really seeing your own faults.

It is all of the ego. Stop identifying with thoughts. Stop the attachment to your thoughts. Learn to accept "What Is" and to let go.

That is the secert to happiness.

[BlueSky]

The only thing you can change is yourself. I assure you if you find fault in others you are really seeing your own faults.

It is all of the ego. Stop identifying with thoughts. Stop the attachment to your thoughts. Learn to accept "What Is" and to let go.

That is the secert to happiness.
Hi Jonesboy, here's what I see :
To truly let go you have to not let go. Being yourself is letting go and being yourself may look like fighting for a cause or ignoring all that happens around you.
Accepting what is is accepting what is in yourself. Here again, being yourself is accepting what is and it may look like fighting for a cause or ignoring all that happens around you.
I'll also add that there is no stopping identifying with thoughts. It happens but not by trying. It happens as our awareness expands beyond identifying with our thoughts. Would you agree?

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Bring it on stinky whisperer :D


x daz x
Oohh, I like this game :D Can I play too, Goat -Like ? I like goats , even stinky ones like next door :hug3:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Hi Jonesboy, here's what I see :
To truly let go you have to not let go. Being yourself is letting go and being yourself may look like fighting for a cause or ignoring all that happens around you.
Accepting what is is accepting what is in yourself. Here again, being yourself is accepting what is and it may look like fighting for a cause or ignoring all that happens around you.
I'll also add that there is no stopping identifying with thoughts. It happens but not by trying. It happens as our awareness expands beyond identifying with our thoughts. Would you agree?

I'll place you two in agreement from my perspective. The paradox of letting go to grab the next step, of remebering to not think , of making all the changes necessary to simply be myself , and being myself so that all the necessary changes can happen :smile:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

It will evolve on it's own from the ground of being.


and that's a wrap :D

[Lucyan28]

and that's a wrap :D

Dar I wonder what kind of paws do you have? :angel3:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Dar I wonder what kind of paws do you have? :angel3:

Dancing Chihuahua :wink:

[somnium]

The only thing you can change is yourself. I assure you if you find fault in others you are really seeing your own faults.

It is all of the ego. Stop identifying with thoughts. Stop the attachment to your thoughts. Learn to accept "What Is" and to let go.

That is the secert to happiness.

Well yes and no. of course. The only thing I can change is anything i want to change. When I am the life of the world, as Christ, then i am the one responsible for every fault i see the world. It is my own awareness, my own knowledge, my own will that is manifest. Even though I am not a murderer myself while another person is, makes that fault not my own, but another`s. I am however responsible for their fault because i have manifested it into them, by forming that awareness, that judgement of my fellow man. However in another state of being, I am not the life of the world, and other energy generating beings exist, just as I do. They are responsible to make their own choices, learn their own lessons, and accept their own knowledge. They can follow power, evil, goodness, God, me, or whatever is there, because they have been given life and choice, just as I have. This happens, life propagates and divides into every way, so to create life in all ways. I am not responsible in this state for their faults. They are, and I am not interferring nor controlling them, making their decisions for them.

if you have a problem with your thoughts, how they form, what they form from, and in the forms generated, then I suggest you change the way you think. Thought, conscious awareness, should not be cursed, but hunted and stalked to gain self-awareness and control. Your thoughts can be source of great power and a tool to enhance awareness if you form the right knowledge of your thoughts. You are manifesting the form of your thoughts, your pathways you develop, and that is not something to be taken lightly. If you accept the form of knowledge taught to you that thoughts are bad, evil, wrong, andf lead you to doom, then you will reap what you have sown, you have judged your thoughts to form that way from an unlimited source of potential that can form in any way.

[wstein]

The only time you are living without choice is if you do not know you have one and others choose for you, but who wants to be a slave!! If everything was as you would have it be and you were fully expressing who you are, what would you do with choice? Would you choose to have it be some way you don't want it to be or choose to shrink?

You seem to be taking my inference as that you can't or aren't allowed to choose (i.e. a slave). I am suggesting that at some 'level' of self realization choice is no longer relevant.

[somnium]

If everything was as you would have it be and you were fully expressing who you are, what would you do with choice? Would you choose to have it be some way you don't want it to be or choose to shrink?

You seem to be taking my inference as that you can't or aren't allowed to choose (i.e. a slave). I am suggesting that at some 'level' of self realization choice is no longer relevant.

I think I have already answered that, as well I see that this answer is already in your awareness. When you said I do not want to experience the same thing forever, even though you are content and need nothing more.

I used to love music, and was very happy when I listened to it in its various forms. I learned though that their was so much more then I know about music and about everything. I chose to seek new awareness of what music is, can be, has been, and will be. i found reality where the music sings directly to me, all the greatest stars, as if they are God themselves, seeing me directly, knowing me as angels do, and singing about me, to me, seeing the mistake I have in me, and singing the way into the light, the higher positions that are just beyond me now. They pick the greatest thoughts out of my head and form them directly, right then and there as I am thinking about it, into a beautiful rhyme. Just for me. All of reality aware of me, and catering to me. I can create new singers out of thin air, plan them, choose their voices and what they sing about. It`s so much more then I thought music could be then, even though i was happy with the music I see that their is just so much more then meets the eye, and so much unlimited potential that can be applied to anything in life.

You mentioned a couple of times that I shrink, as if I am making a mistake in this, failing to use my choice. however let me explain to you what happens when I do not shrink in a couple of examples. I approach a man who has learned to be closed to God and all religion, and I was just in a world alone with God, seeing God as he is directly and understanding Him, communicating with Him, and with Angels surrounding me. I come from the heavens. Now I fly down to this man in the average world and I can not tell him who I am, what i can do, or what I have seen and done. Beleive me I wish I could, and while I can share parts of my life i can not share with you many other things about me and my life because it surpasses the level of acceptance and belief of the average man. Yet i want to help the man but if i tell him who I am first he will be closed to every piece of knowledge I have to give him, thinking I am a nut job religious bible thumper, or some ill delusional nut job. However I can learn his tongue, see him and understand him, be aware of him, and speak to him using his own language, his own tongue, and even trick him into discovering God, by using a different name for God, a different path to the highest. I have made myself smaller then I really am, and hid myself from him, but in doing so have succeeded in opening his eyes. I can`t tell you that i made the songs, that they are reflections and communications of my own awareness with the pure awareness of forming creation in this moment now. For you it is not this, you experience a different manifestation then I. And that is good, because I love how great musicians can see the music forming in their attention, and many other perceptions of music that there is, and i have found. Did you know that God has within Him every form of life ever seen and can make any form of life imaginable! No, i can`t tell you that I form my own music because then i would be nuts but i do it all the time, and I love it very much. I teach people how to reach this level of synchronicity, this direct manifestation, and I must use their tongues to do so, the awareness they will accept and be open to. And so i ask do you too shrink, do you make yourself into something else just for someone else, or to fit into the moment so to accomplish something worthwhile...

[somnium]

A question one might ask themselves if one believes that all possibilities are endless, is what would you change assuming you had that power.
Personally I see the beauty in the way life/being unfolds and the need for it to unfold the way it does. With such power, all I would do is be the change I wished to see in the world. Be myself.
I also can see that my ability to see that power and my choice to be the change, to be myself, is really the power working thru me.

What would YOU change?


Well I have done too many things to list here, but I can tell you what i have recently done. I see the negative space that doctors diagnose as illness and disease. And so made a law that patients can no longer be forced medication so long as they are not a danger to themselves or others. I watched as the doctors would try to medicate people like they used to just a moment before but had to stop and ask them if they wanted their meds and they say no thanks. I loved it. So I study mental illness now, learning the language of psychology so I can teach the doctors myself in a way that they understand. I take on the illness myself too and discover what it is and how it is formed and how to transform and use it. So schizophrenia, yeah I have it, or had it, and learned that the term means 'split', in which the conscious awareness splits and fragments into a new separate form. i see it as mitosis, yet you can form the new awareness to any position you want it to be. We learned the difference between internal voices, splits, and external voices, also splits, and how to control which forms they manifest as. I created a little girl named eve, and she was a very bad girl (long story) and I placed her in my rib cage, and locked her up. The people around me listened to her speak from my rib cage out loud in the world. They could see because we studied and learned the nature of sharing percpetions from one person to another to activate the same consciousness within them that i have within myself. People in that dimension started spliting their awareness too, willfully, and one lady created a little baby that she was raising inside of her, and yes we all could see her too. The first time we broke through to share the perception of the voices to another persons awareness a man inside of me(a split) waved to a little girl running by in the street, and we wondered how to make her see him , and right then our consciousness merged to share the perception and the little girl stopped and looked at me and said I see him! We were happy. We discovered that when one enters into the state of being that is called and defined as a hallucination actually manifests that form into reality, and so when you are aware, or judge, that others can not see what you see it creates that form of reality, that state of being, or awareness. It is another form of split that creates the form of a hallucination because you are disconnected from reality, and the shared conscious awareness and perception of other beings. And yet when you merge or reconnect then you can share the reality you are experiencing. That form of knowledge manifests as a result. Mitosis of conscious awareness spliting into a new form is actually a form of propagation of one life into another. So the trick is to shift your present state of awareness from hallucination to a shared form of perception being passed from one to another through connection. When you judge it as not real then that is the form manifest. And so learning this one can manifest things other cannot see, as well as things they can see. I am still exploring other illness, and have also found how to control and create multiple personalities, but I will stop for now because I am not yet prepared to make a thesis, or to transfer this awareness into another so that they can create a paper on the subject through me, or directly manifest my awareness into a science magazine or psychology mag which i often do. Controlled synchronicity. Since I practice controlled movements of my awareness into one position into another one I have developed many different states of being that i control, and in each one i am almost a different person entirely. I can mirror people's consciousness to have it become my own to the point where i talk like them, think like them, and move like them, and when I am very powerful can look like them. it works two ways, to also transfer my awareness into others and have them become as me. the attention can connect to any conscious awareness that exists in reality and connect that channel into the human consciousness, as well as the form that the consciousness manifests. A doppleganger. that was when science discovered mirror nuerons. yeah I make my own manifestation of my brain, and sciences. Now I have bad judgements about science and once said that science seeks to take the awareness and power of people and place it into a machine so that people get dependant on machines, and when I said that i went to manifest my awareness of being able to stop my heart and live with no heart and it manifested as the pulseless heart, a new heart machine with no pulse. It sucked ***, and so i am working out my patterns of manifestation to remove my negative judgements at the moment. And so yeah that is what I have been up to lately. Crazy huh. "I'm friends with the monsters under my bed, get along with the voices inside of my head, Your trying to save me stop holdin your breath, and you think i'm crazy, yeah you think i'm crazy! Well thats nothing!!"

[wstein]

No, i can`t tell you that I form my own music because then i would be nuts but i do it all the time, and I love it very much. I am coming to realize that you are not going to talk at the level I wish. You are clearly aiming this at humanity. Fair enough, no need to do otherwise. No point in me trying for quality interaction (between us).

And so i ask do you too shrink, do you make yourself into something else just for someone else, or to fit into the moment so to accomplish something worthwhile... Yes, it is a practicality. I have lost how to be unlimited. In this state certain practicalities arise. Most other lifeforms in this environment are not capable of coming to where I am. To interact effectively with them I have to go to where they are. This makes dogs and cats really like me.

Yes, sometimes I also do it to at other times when I perceive sincerity. You probably have noticed how I answer posts by those who want to know how something works.

I perceive that being continuously shrunken (to various degrees) is not healthy for me. It feels tedious. On those occasions when I get to be somewhat transcendent (less shrunken), it feels much better.

I do question if being here (shrunken) was voluntary.

[God-Like]

Oohh, I like this game :D Can I play too, Goat -Like ? I like goats , even stinky ones like next door :hug3:


That's funny :D ... perhaps Cod-Like? lols ... now blowing bubbles with my mouth ...

Your name's too difficult to change around .. Doh!! I mean Dah, I mean Dar :D


x daz x

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

That's funny :D ... perhaps Cod-Like? lols ... now blowing bubbles with my mouth ...

Your name's too difficult to change around .. Doh!! I mean Dah, I mean Dar :D


x daz x
Cod- Like it is then , God :wink: We had a lot of fun with this on another board I frequent. It went on for quite a while and was very naughty indeed.
Can't be doing that here, though :angel3:

Later,
Dork/Darky/Barf :wink:

[Gem]

I consider myself fortunate to be rather small.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I consider myself fortunate to be rather small.
I think I'll go ask Alice , when she's being small :D

[BlueSky]

Well I have done too many things to list here, but I can tell you what i have recently done. I see the negative space that doctors diagnose as illness and disease. And so made a law that patients can no longer be forced medication so long as they are not a danger to themselves or others. I watched as the doctors would try to medicate people like they used to just a moment before but had to stop and ask them if they wanted their meds and they say no thanks. I loved it. So I study mental illness now, learning the language of psychology so I can teach the doctors myself in a way that they understand. I take on the illness myself too and discover what it is and how it is formed and how to transform and use it. So schizophrenia, yeah I have it, or had it, and learned that the term means 'split', in which the conscious awareness splits and fragments into a new separate form. i see it as mitosis, yet you can form the new awareness to any position you want it to be. We learned the difference between internal voices, splits, and external voices, also splits, and how to control which forms they manifest as. I created a little girl named eve, and she was a very bad girl (long story) and I placed her in my rib cage, and locked her up. The people around me listened to her speak from my rib cage out loud in the world. They could see because we studied and learned the nature of sharing percpetions from one person to another to activate the same consciousness within them that i have within myself. People in that dimension started spliting their awareness too, willfully, and one lady created a little baby that she was raising inside of her, and yes we all could see her too. The first time we broke through to share the perception of the voices to another persons awareness a man inside of me(a split) waved to a little girl running by in the street, and we wondered how to make her see him , and right then our consciousness merged to share the perception and the little girl stopped and looked at me and said I see him! We were happy. We discovered that when one enters into the state of being that is called and defined as a hallucination actually manifests that form into reality, and so when you are aware, or judge, that others can not see what you see it creates that form of reality, that state of being, or awareness. It is another form of split that creates the form of a hallucination because you are disconnected from reality, and the shared conscious awareness and perception of other beings. And yet when you merge or reconnect then you can share the reality you are experiencing. That form of knowledge manifests as a result. Mitosis of conscious awareness spliting into a new form is actually a form of propagation of one life into another. So the trick is to shift your present state of awareness from hallucination to a shared form of perception being passed from one to another through connection. When you judge it as not real then that is the form manifest. And so learning this one can manifest things other cannot see, as well as things they can see. I am still exploring other illness, and have also found how to control and create multiple personalities, but I will stop for now because I am not yet prepared to make a thesis, or to transfer this awareness into another so that they can create a paper on the subject through me, or directly manifest my awareness into a science magazine or psychology mag which i often do. Controlled synchronicity. Since I practice controlled movements of my awareness into one position into another one I have developed many different states of being that i control, and in each one i am almost a different person entirely. I can mirror people's consciousness to have it become my own to the point where i talk like them, think like them, and move like them, and when I am very powerful can look like them. it works two ways, to also transfer my awareness into others and have them become as me. the attention can connect to any conscious awareness that exists in reality and connect that channel into the human consciousness, as well as the form that the consciousness manifests. A doppleganger. that was when science discovered mirror nuerons. yeah I make my own manifestation of my brain, and sciences. Now I have bad judgements about science and once said that science seeks to take the awareness and power of people and place it into a machine so that people get dependant on machines, and when I said that i went to manifest my awareness of being able to stop my heart and live with no heart and it manifested as the pulseless heart, a new heart machine with no pulse. It sucked ***, and so i am working out my patterns of manifestation to remove my negative judgements at the moment. And so yeah that is what I have been up to lately. Crazy huh. "I'm friends with the monsters under my bed, get along with the voices inside of my head, Your trying to save me stop holdin your breath, and you think i'm crazy, yeah you think i'm crazy! Well thats nothing!!"

I don't think your are crazy Somnium ( I'm not even sure what crazy means) and I am not trying to change you. I understand well the power of the mind powered by belief and intention, I understand the space called nothingness and the unbridled power of it, so as unusual as this post of yours is, it is believable considering that you believe it. If it means anything or not beyond the world we have created around ourselves, I don't know.
Blessings and peace to you

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I don't think your are crazy Somnium ( I'm not even sure what crazy means) and I am not trying to change you. I understand well the power of the mind powered by belief and intention, I understand the space called nothingness and the unbridled power of it, so as unusual as this post of yours is, it is believable considering that you believe it. If it means anything or not beyond the world we have created around ourselves, I don't know.
Blessings and peace to you
In a big way 'reality' (pictures of reality) is/are created by our brains and the illusion of self and life is like a movie made up of moving pictures. Not everyone's brain works the same . \There is a 'normal' , because the majority of people have very similar brain functioning . I've showed my wife some of this thread; she said "he's lucky because he gets to think a different way ".

Clinical diagnosis : schizophrenia ; spiritual diagnosis : very interesting .

[BlueSky]

In a big way 'reality' (pictures of reality) is/are created by our brains and the illusion of self and life is like a movie made up of moving pictures. Not everyone's brain works the same . \There is a 'normal' , because the majority of people have very similar brain functioning . I've showed my wife some of this thread; she said "he's lucky because he gets to think a different way ".

Clinical diagnosis : schizophrenia ; spiritual diagnosis : very interesting .
I think maybe that simple explanation of reality takes away from what it really is. Reality, being, this, is the other side of nothingness and the two are one like a two sided coin. "Emptiness is void, void is emptiness "
Nice post Dar

[silent whisper]

In a big way 'reality' (pictures of reality) is/are created by our brains and the illusion of self and life is like a movie made up of moving pictures. Not everyone's brain works the same . \There is a 'normal' , because the majority of people have very similar brain functioning . I've showed my wife some of this thread; she said "he's lucky because he gets to think a different way ".

Clinical diagnosis : schizophrenia ; spiritual diagnosis : very interesting .


Your lucky... you have a such an understanding wife..:smile:

[Jyotir]

Hi somnium,

If I understand your OP correctly as intended, it seems to me that the most positive way to 'shrink yourself' (vs that construct as a negative), to resolve all those problems as well as your own needs for communication, including that people need what you have to offer - is to write a book about your experiences.

It's been said about literature...
"many a good writer has overcome the problem of having nothing to say"...and people still line-up to buy those books.

In your case, you seem to be able to express yourself, so if you have a message or experiences that are worthwhile to share, so much the better. If people find truth value in it they will buy it as well. Extra benefit.



~ J

[surrendertotheflow]

I am merely seeing their lives Baile. I left the dull way myself because it was dull and limited. Then others complain about the world and often when I try to show them that they too can do great things like me then they say you are delusional, psychotic, and have a God-complex. Just like you are doing now. Unless ofcourse i show them.

You call it a God complex because i can do nearly anything i want to do in reality, but this is the potential that all beings have within them, as i see it the way we are meant to shine with the pure power and choice we all have, but gets locked up for most average people, into the way they tell you to align to. The way of limitations etc that get shoved down your throat the moment you are born. You say God-complex like it is a bad thing to have great power and ability, as if I should shrink myself to another level where i can`t do these things.


I just stumbled on this thread, and so, haven't even read all of the pages, so excuse me if I repeat a point already made, but in my mind, and this goes with something Dar said a few posts below the quoted one above.....

You have a God complex meaning you want to free everyone from their suffering as you have done and know that we all are capable of doing. HOWEVER, you have made the point that we all have this potential, we are all God, so we don't need you to tell us so. Just because we are not consciously aware of all of this like you are, does not mean we need your help. Jesus was brought up that he was a helper, but he also said not to judge others or impose on their beliefs. Let it be as is. He taught to those who wanted to listen, but if someone did not want to listen, he didn't impose his ideas onto them.

You need to let people come to you and if they allow you to help, those are the people you help. But everyone else, even if they are hurting themselves, they need to figure that out on their own. We are all where we are meant to be and in time, we will all find our way. But in my honest opinion, I want to follow my journey of my own free will and see where it takes me. Yes, there is suffering along the way, and yes, it's not going to be easy, but that's my choice. You don't get to choose for me.

On another note, I personally am open to hear what you may suggest so I could possibly see the world the way you do. I don't know how you made it happen, and that is what I am curious about. How did you pull yourself out of this dimension to experience All that Is? And now that you are back here and wanting to help others, how can you help them experience that? You can't experience it for us. We have to experience it ourselves to truly understand what you do. So you can't just tell someone something based on your experience. You can only teach us how to experience it (which I think you are aware of, I'm just saying all of this to get to my point). How? How can you show me?

[Neville]

>...........>
I am , through circumstances beyond my control not here as much as I should be. However. Well you know...I am certainly not going to go over the same ground with you.:smile:

How many tickles does it take to make an Octopus laugh?

Why , Ten tickles of course :D

OK that was lame... But you do know source throws it's it feelers, of which you be one and me be one and every one else be one...I saw it in the Stars.

http://www.space-screensavers.com/images/free/freemilky/big1.jpg

Loads of Ten tickles being thrown out there , If you ask me (and I know you did'nt) So you being a tickle and me being a tickle, what realy sets us apart aside from perception dictated by ones own cognitive bias?

I am as enlightened and awakened or not so as the next person being as it were , just another of the Octopusses or is that Octopussi's Tickle.

Placing oneself above the masses is quiet possibly almost as lamentable as setting oneself below the throng. Subordinate pecking orders remain as ever for the playing fields of Eton and whatever other Private school fits the bill . Elitism should in my view be knocked firmly on the head in favour of the "we are all in this together""We are only as strong as our weakest link" idiom. Sure we can try to encourage, but it's only ever our own individual slant we try to encourage and that , alas is where it fail's.

If we truly think that we can make this world a better place... How come both you and I and every other improver are consistently met with soul destroying (OK not quiet soul destroying) tragedy. The Human Condition is Fraught with Power hungry modellers who full appreciate (In their view) that to achieve their ambitions , Innocents need to be, ought to be even, sacrificed.


One get's a bit jaded you understand .

[silent whisper]

I am , through circumstances beyond my control not here as much as I should be. However. Well you know...I am certainly not going to go over the same ground with you.:smile:

Why not? Are you Lazy or cant be bothered putting yourself out there..:tongue..The ground can take on a whole new slant if you allow it too...(I must admit it can be tedious all the same)....

How many tickles does it take to make an Octopus laugh?

Why , Ten tickles of course :D


why ten? I am not playing dumb here either..:wink:
OK that was lame... But you do know source throws it's it feelers, of which you be one and me be one and every one else be one...I saw it in the Stars.

What has got you all stargazed and feeling all of a sudden?...sounds like a nice mix all the same..:smile:

http://www.space-screensavers.com/images/free/freemilky/big1.jpg

Loads of Ten tickles being thrown out there , If you ask me (and I know you did'nt) So you being a tickle and me being a tickle, what realy sets us apart aside from perception dictated by ones own cognitive bias?

I am as enlightened and awakened or not so as the next person being as it were , just another of the Octopusses or is that Octopussi's Tickle.

Aren't you just you and them them?



(ooopsy I cut off part of your quote here in case your wondering)
ve the masses is quiet possibly almost as lamentable as setting oneself below the throng. Subordinate pecking orders remain as ever for the playing fields of Eton and whatever other Private school fits the bill . Elitism should in my view be knocked firmly on the head in favour of the "we are all in this together""We are only as strong as our weakest link" idiom. Sure we can try to encourage, but it's only ever our own individual slant we try to encourage and that , alas is where it fail's.

Well this is true, but...of course as one with the whole any old world structure not in alignment with the whole of change rippling through
cycles can change and do, private or otherwise...like any order out of order, balance can and will come back to bite the bottom of the one biting others bottoms in private or not.....in its own time of course.


If we truly think that we can make this world a better place... How come both you and I and every other improver are consistently met with soul destroying (OK not quiet soul destroying) tragedy. The Human Condition is Fraught with Power hungry modellers who full appreciate (In their view) that to achieve their ambitions , Innocents need to be, ought to be even, sacrificed.

The world revolves around the whole, tragedy,sadly is part of the whole of life in that model of power and control and sometimes not for that reason, just because its time for that aspect of life to end..
For some the human life means nothing and yep your right sacrifice is part of their perceived need to gain...destroy anything in the way of that path that threatens or doesn't align to that need. The human condition is full of a variety of hunger...where we as individuals lay our focus to feed self and the world around us, is all we can do.
Take care of our own back yards... ..:)


One get's a bit jaded you understand .

Yes often your jaded feelings are felt, sometimes I wonder in the mix of the whole of you that your jaded feelings sometimes feel very predominant in

Your

lead

even though try as you may,
not try to be that way..


Doesn't concern me..just so you know..:)

[Neville]

Ten-tickles =Tentacles(Christmas Cracker Joke:redface:).....Oh and yes I am either a) Lazy or b) Cannot be bothered or c) totally underwhelmed by people who feel they carry a holier than thou message or d) actually have a life that does not involve the internet quiet so much...

All of that rubbish out of the way however.... Like you said..



Doesn't concern me..just so you know..:)
What does concern you is probably more relevant.

Tentacles you know...Or rather Ten Tickles all are attached to the Octopus . All radiates from source,

Do you remember that Poem/verse by Oriah Mountain Dreamer entitled the Invitation.. I am sure you are familiar with it.

It doesn’t interest me
what you do for a living.
I want to know
what you ache for
and if you dare to dream
of meeting your heart’s longing. It doesn’t interest me
how old you are.
I want to know
if you will risk
looking like a fool
for love
for your dream
for the adventure of being alive.

It doesn’t interest me
what planets are
squaring your moon...
I want to know
if you have touched
the centre of your own sorrow
if you have been opened
by life’s betrayals
or have become shrivelled and closed
from fear of further pain.

I want to know
if you can sit with pain
mine or your own
without moving to hide it
or fade it
or fix it.

I want to know
if you can be with joy
mine or your own
if you can dance with wildness
and let the ecstasy fill you
to the tips of your fingers and toes
without cautioning us
to be careful
to be realistic
to remember the limitations
of being human.

It doesn’t interest me
if the story you are telling me
is true.
I want to know if you can
disappoint another
to be true to yourself.
If you can bear
the accusation of betrayal
and not betray your own soul.
If you can be faithless
and therefore trustworthy.

I want to know if you can see Beauty
even when it is not pretty
every day.
And if you can source your own life
from its presence.

I want to know
if you can live with failure
yours and mine
and still stand at the edge of the lake
and shout to the silver of the full moon,
“Yes.”

It doesn’t interest me
to know where you live
or how much money you have.
I want to know if you can get up
after the night of grief and despair
weary and bruised to the bone
and do what needs to be done
to feed the children.

It doesn’t interest me
who you know
or how you came to be here.
I want to know if you will stand
in the centre of the fire
with me
and not shrink back.

It doesn’t interest me
where or what or with whom
you have studied.
I want to know
what sustains you
from the inside
when all else falls away.

I want to know
if you can be alone
with yourself
and if you truly like
the company you keep
in the empty moments.




I agree it is rather profound and a bit raw in parts but I think it illustrates why I cannot be doing with anyone with a message from on high for all human kind , while at the same time presents me with issues with those who regard themselves as lesser than I.

Frankly, Enlightened or Awakened is as Enlightened and awakened is to those who perceive such things. Nothing more, Nothing Less.

That is to say,those who genuinely feel charged with sacred purpose (my cynical mind veritably leaps to highlight the Reverend Jim Jones and David Koresh) Somewhat hypocritically the Bible warns against False Prophets.

Go your own way, Use discernment. Do not take what is said as gospel , and that, most definitely includes me too. Be aware of the self proclaimed wise ones because they should set off alarm bells everywhere within your being.

Study motivations.. For example..Do they need to validate their existence? Why ?

Remember the leading by example, A true Prophet demands nothing.Least of all to listen to their words or read their writings. Very often it is the mediocre that truly inspires.

Look to said enlightened one to see if they would highlight what they see as flaws in YOU , that too is very telling.

This is a massive subject,but suffice to say , in my experience, A truly enlightened or awakened individual will never ever broadcast it.

[somnium]

I am coming to realize that you are not going to talk at the level I wish. You are clearly aiming this at humanity. Fair enough, no need to do otherwise. No point in me trying for quality interaction (between us).


You asked me why i shrink for certain people, and so i told you dude. I gave you two examples that didn't apply to you obviously or I wouldn't have told you about my music and about God. Then you take it personally and say there is not worthwhile in conversing with me, like all the conversations we have had are nothing, and the future as well. Thats sad imo. I am sorry you feel this way about me, but i will discontinue our conversations, and am sorry i wasted time.

btw this is coming from you, you said just the other day that you want your secrets to be unknowable so that none can find the secrets you want to keep to yourself. Seems to me you are trying very hard to disagree with me, and to find negative things in me. And yet its the same thing you do yourself. So what this tells me is that this is a valid reason not to continue discussions with you, not me.

[somnium]

Hi somnium,

If I understand your OP correctly as intended, it seems to me that the most positive way to 'shrink yourself' (vs that construct as a negative), to resolve all those problems as well as your own needs for communication, including that people need what you have to offer - is to write a book about your experiences.

It's been said about literature...
"many a good writer has overcome the problem of having nothing to say"...and people still line-up to buy those books.

In your case, you seem to be able to express yourself, so if you have a message or experiences that are worthwhile to share, so much the better. If people find truth value in it they will buy it as well. Extra benefit.



~ J

Yes, you and silent whisper both suggested the same. I think I have many books within me, and have started writing one already. I have been forming it in my mind for a couple years now. Thanks for the suggestion.

[somnium]

I just stumbled on this thread, and so, haven't even read all of the pages, so excuse me if I repeat a point already made, but in my mind, and this goes with something Dar said a few posts below the quoted one above.....

You have a God complex meaning you want to free everyone from their suffering as you have done and know that we all are capable of doing. HOWEVER, you have made the point that we all have this potential, we are all God, so we don't need you to tell us so. Just because we are not consciously aware of all of this like you are, does not mean we need your help. Jesus was brought up that he was a helper, but he also said not to judge others or impose on their beliefs. Let it be as is. He taught to those who wanted to listen, but if someone did not want to listen, he didn't impose his ideas onto them.

You need to let people come to you and if they allow you to help, those are the people you help. But everyone else, even if they are hurting themselves, they need to figure that out on their own. We are all where we are meant to be and in time, we will all find our way. But in my honest opinion, I want to follow my journey of my own free will and see where it takes me. Yes, there is suffering along the way, and yes, it's not going to be easy, but that's my choice. You don't get to choose for me.

On another note, I personally am open to hear what you may suggest so I could possibly see the world the way you do. I don't know how you made it happen, and that is what I am curious about. How did you pull yourself out of this dimension to experience All that Is? And now that you are back here and wanting to help others, how can you help them experience that? You can't experience it for us. We have to experience it ourselves to truly understand what you do. So you can't just tell someone something based on your experience. You can only teach us how to experience it (which I think you are aware of, I'm just saying all of this to get to my point). How? How can you show me?

Yeah you are right, much of what you say has been commented on already.

I agree not to force people and usually i do not, but at times I force my awareness into people, even so that they think they are the ones seeing it and thinking it.

Jesus did support his beliefs over and above other people's most definitely. He even went so far as to flip over the money tables in the church. it was common for the churches to have them and collect money in that way then. Jesus confronted many problems he believed needed to be confronted and I agree with him.

I do not choose for people their beliefs but teach them how to SEE their beliefs, and how to see reality, how to make choices, even the ones they didn;t know they could choose. I let them make their own minds and paths, and show them the position needed to set their own way instead of following other's ways without knowing it. Again the choice they didn;t know they had.

[silent whisper]

Ten-tickles =Tentacles(Christmas Cracker Joke:redface:)


lol now I get it and its quite funny..kind of ..:cool:

.....Oh and yes I am either a) Lazy or b) Cannot be bothered or c) totally underwhelmed by people who feel they carry a holier than thou message or d) actually have a life that does not involve the internet quiet so much...

Or E...all of the above..:wink:

All of that rubbish out of the way however.... Like you said..




What does concern you is probably more relevant.

Tentacles you know...Or rather Ten Tickles all are attached to the Octopus . All radiates from source,

well yes this is true..

Do you remember that Poem/verse by Oriah Mountain Dreamer entitled the Invitation.. I am sure you are familiar with it.

Yes I am familiar with it and one of my favourites..:smile: .


I agree it is rather profound and a bit raw in parts but I think it illustrates why I cannot be doing with anyone with a message from on high for all human kind , while at the same time presents me with issues with those who regard themselves as lesser than I.

Frankly, Enlightened or Awakened is as Enlightened and awakened is to those who perceive such things. Nothing more, Nothing Less.

well this is true...frank or otherwise..

That is to say,those who genuinely feel charged with sacred purpose (my cynical mind veritably leaps to highlight the Reverend Jim Jones and David Koresh) Somewhat hypocritically the Bible warns against False Prophets.

Go your own way, Use discernment. Do not take what is said as gospel , and that, most definitely includes me too. Be aware of the self proclaimed wise ones because they should set off alarm bells everywhere within your being.

Study motivations.. For example..Do they need to validate their existence? Why ?

Remember the leading by example, A true Prophet demands nothing.Least of all to listen to their words or read their writings. Very often it is the mediocre that truly inspires.

I would agree with you on this, in one hand, out the other, is one form of leading.

Everything inspires somebody though..



Look to said enlightened one to see if they would highlight what they see as flaws in YOU , that too is very telling.

Truth be told..its simple when its revealed in truth of being truthful..for the truth and nothing but the truth. So help me god? so they say...

This is a massive subject,but suffice to say , in my experience, A truly enlightened or awakened individual will never ever broadcast it.


Depends what channel your on though, they are all channels, which ever way it's broadcast. The minute you place a label over the broadcast you lose the broadcast that you could be listening too, it too can house a wealth of awareness..


So in saying that what is this *truly enlightened or awakened individual* you see?

[BlueSky]

I had a thought today related to this thread. I think if one believes so, that they can convince themselves to let go of everything. Their thoughts, relationships, likes, dislikes, sense of self, sense of others and so on. I believe and experienced shortly that what that would be like is being totally ungrounded with the only connection left, your mind or awareness. From there I think anything the mind constructs would manifest. I think people who have no grasp on reality that is considered the norm, experience this type of floating reality and I think it perpetuates itself.

[somnium]

"cell phones can give you cancer" you know what I see... attempted assault with a weapon to cause bodily harm. "You will like all people die" you know what I see ... attempted murder and attempted genocide. etc etc. Hell they try to turn your food into weapons to kill you.
Just beaware of what you are manifesting. thats all.

I say choose for yourself which form of knowledge to apply to yourself, what you want to manifest from the unformed potential of reality that can create any form. Some say I am choosing for people!!! Yet I am opening your eyes tot he choices that are being made for you by opther demonic beings, and to let go of the demonic forms of energy to choose for yourself.

Some say you could be hurting people by trying to help them.. you know what I see... Your own intent to place destructive knowledge into my actions to manifest the form that hurts someone else. THANKS!! And what else I am not forming your choice for you, or hurting you in any way, but merely opening your eyes to see the forms that are hurting you and the choices made for you, so you can choose yourself.

Open your eyes and see for yourself what is hurting you, the knowledge you accept and apply to yourself, others and the world.

I watched a time travel series the other day and in it a man said is it against the law to have destructive thoughts? And the cop from the future said "not yet".

[silent whisper]

I had a thought today related to this thread. I think if one believes so, that they can convince themselves to let go of everything. Their thoughts, relationships, likes, dislikes, sense of self, sense of others and so on. I believe and experienced shortly that what that would be like is being totally ungrounded with the only connection left, your mind or awareness. From there I think anything the mind constructs would manifest. I think people would have no grasp on reality that is considered the norm, experience this type of floating reality and I think it perpetuates itself.

Uhuh I agree from personal experience of this space. The key note in your sharing is *Ungrounded*...its the grounded nature of it all that brings you back into a more *whole* alignment.
To be in the world but not of the world as some say..


When I was walking through something similar to what you have shared, I remember one brother of mine struck me with a hot coal when he said to me, you have LOST TOUCH with reality...it was exactly what I needed to come in for the landing..

[somnium]

I had a thought today related to this thread. I think if one believes so, that they can convince themselves to let go of everything. Their thoughts, relationships, likes, dislikes, sense of self, sense of others and so on. I believe and experienced shortly that what that would be like is being totally ungrounded with the only connection left, your mind or awareness. From there I think anything the mind constructs would manifest. I think people would have no grasp on reality that is considered the norm, experience this type of floating reality and I think it perpetuates itself.

Yes you can become fluid awareness, but their is also cohesion of awareness as well. When you let go of everything the unknown will form, and new awareness and knowledge will form, you can then gain cohesion or ground the new awareness and knowledge into your reality to make stable. When you let go of just the negative things, the things you want to change, the locked potential of that form becomes free to form into the new pattern, and then be made cohesive. Awareness can be suspended, or it can be expanded upon, so you do not need to erase sell phones but merely the destructive form attached to them.

[Gem]

I had a thought today related to this thread. I think if one believes so, that they can convince themselves to let go of everything. Their thoughts, relationships, likes, dislikes, sense of self, sense of others and so on. I believe and experienced shortly that what that would be like is being totally ungrounded with the only connection left, your mind or awareness. From there I think anything the mind constructs would manifest. I think people would have no grasp on reality that is considered the norm, experience this type of floating reality and I think it perpetuates itself.


Yeppers. A balanced persona is for the best.

[silent whisper]

"cell phones can give you cancer" you know what I see... attempted assault with a weapon to cause bodily harm. "You will like all people die" you know what I see ... attempted murder and attempted genocide. etc etc.

So are you seeing the nature of one size does not fit all in this view you showing here? When you listen to self for you through the greater view, you learn to discern and take what you need and leave behind the rest not necessary for you and your path ...

I say choose for yourself which form of knowledge to apply to yourself, what you want to manifest from the unformed potential of reality that can create any form. Some say I am choosing for people!!! Yet I am opening your eyes tot he choices that are being made for you by opther demonic beings, and to let go of the demonic forms of energy to choose for yourself.

IN some ways your trying to send a message out to the masses opposing what is and may benefit some ...remembering that one size does not fit all but sometimes that size fits that person..so in my view it can all be viable for someone...

Some say you could be hurting people by trying to help them.. you know what I see... Your own intent to place destructive knowledge into my actions to manifest the form that hurts someone else. THANKS!! And what else I am not forming your choice for you, or hurting you in any way, but merely opening your eyes to see the forms that are hurting you and the choices made for you, so you can choose yourself.

Yes you are indeed. Opening up the whole choice we all have in the face of what is before us...how we relate to it and what we choose in the face of it..

Open your eyes and see for yourself what is hurting you, the knowledge you accept and apply to yourself, others and the world.

This is great advice..

I watched a time travel series the other day and in it a man said is it against the law to have destructive thoughts? And the cop from the future said "not yet".

.....................

[silent whisper]

Yes you can become fluid awareness, but their is also cohesion of awareness as well. When you let go of everything the unknown will form, and new awareness and knowledge will form, you can then gain cohesion or ground the new awareness and knowledge into your reality to make stable. When you let go of just the negative things, the things you want to change, the locked potential of that form becomes free to form into the new pattern, and then be made cohesive. Awareness can be suspended, or it can be expanded upon, so you do not need to erase sell phones but merely the destructive form attached to them.

Yes I relate to this very much....

[silent whisper]

Yes you can become fluid awareness, but their is also cohesion of awareness as well. When you let go of everything the unknown will form, and new awareness and knowledge will form, you can then gain cohesion or ground the new awareness and knowledge into your reality to make stable. When you let go of just the negative things, the things you want to change, the locked potential of that form becomes free to form into the new pattern, and then be made cohesive. Awareness can be suspended, or it can be expanded upon, so you do not need to erase sell phones but merely the destructive form attached to them.

That kind of fits the nature of what one can do in relation to those people you spoke of in your very first post...:wink:

[BlueSky]

Yes you can become fluid awareness, but their is also cohesion of awareness as well. When you let go of everything the unknown will form, and new awareness and knowledge will form, you can then gain cohesion or ground the new awareness and knowledge into your reality to make stable. When you let go of just the negative things, the things you want to change, the locked potential of that form becomes free to form into the new pattern, and then be made cohesive. Awareness can be suspended, or it can be expanded upon, so you do not need to erase sell phones but merely the destructive form attached to them.
That sounds like a mind game to me. It doesn't feel whole to be ungrounded as SW stated and so maybe the mind that doesn't feel at home with being grounded here creates it's own ground. In essence it is still ungrounded as is evident by it being disconnected from the masses.

[silent whisper]

That sounds like a mind game to me. It doesn't feel whole to be ungrounded as SW stated and so maybe the mind that doesn't feel at home with being grounded here creates it's own ground. In essence it is still ungrounded as is evident by it being disconnected from the masses.

When you can feel it without thinking it through the mind and are suspended in this space before grounding it fits the whole forming as one, back into the grounded space in its own time..

the mass is the whole self in reflection forming as one...

[BlueSky]

When you can feel it without thinking it through the mind and are suspended in this space before grounding it fits the whole forming as one, back into the grounded space in its own time..

the mass is the whole self in reflection forming as one...
That's just it, in this space there was only mind. No feeling, just mind. Feeling is what grounds us. Without it the mind runs amuck.

[somnium]

That sounds like a mind game to me. It doesn't feel whole to be ungrounded as SW stated and so maybe the mind that doesn't feel at home with being grounded here creates it's own ground. In essence it is still ungrounded as is evident by it being disconnected from the masses.

If you want to be ever grounded in one reality then do that. That is not the whole though. When you merge with the whole you become omnipresent, omnipotent, know all things, and have pure choice of will. To leave one place to enter into another you must disconnect from the masses of that place. Even though I am here with humans I am not connected to their way, when my heart stops I still live while they do not. I can connect to your world and never be in the world you think I am in, I learned this from disconnecting from their way and forming my own way, and so to disconnect from the masses is not a bad thing to me. I use both disconnection and connection., which in turn creates all ways.

[silent whisper]

Capacity breaking free from your own confines and reality as one is in this suspended manner, is about becoming more grounded in your higher self, separating from reality is part of breaking the confinement of reality to merge and let go of it before coming back into it... Of course as mentioned the landing brings about another level of grounding when its time..but this higher space of learning is important before that point..

[somnium]

That kind of fits the nature of what one can do in relation to those people you spoke of in your very first post...:wink:

Have left many times, changed the entirely of the world many times into many ways, even to free entire worlds, yet i came back again, a form of time travel, to enter back into the average world I knew, where my parents and friends, as they were and are, still exist with their own choice and life. But yeah I am working in this dimension for now, through accepting people as being separate energy generating beings, with their own choices and will. It is a VERY valuable thing humans are because of this, and to change them all into your own way and will is to miss out on all the things they can create and from being different and free themselves.

[silent whisper]

That's just it, in this space there was only mind. No feeling, just mind. Feeling is what grounds us. Without it the mind runs amuck.


Yes but the way in which people shift and expand is important to the whole nature of their learning and purpose for them..Yes the mind does run amuck, I know that space. But until it clears out what no longer fits the new emerging, it finds the exact right place to empty out...:)

[silent whisper]

Have left many times, changed the entirely of the world many times into many ways, even to free entire worlds, yet i came back again, a form of time travel, to enter back into the average world I knew, where my parents and friends, as they were and are, still exist with their own choice and life. But yeah I am working in this dimension for now, through accepting people as being separate energy generating beings, with their own choices and will. It is a VERY valuable thing humans are because of this, and to change them all into your own way and will is to miss out on all the things they can create and from being different and free themselves.

Yes individual personalities, learning and growing as they need too for them..

[somnium]

I can suspend all my feelings, and form them how i want, and I do not run amuck. I ground new things with my awareness and choice, my intent to form the new way to make stable into my reality. I can then choose to feel anyway I want about it. And that awarenss of my feelings I have already grounded and I feel happy about that!

[silent whisper]

If you want to be ever grounded in one reality then do that. That is not the whole though. When you merge with the whole you become omnipresent, omnipotent, know all things, and have pure choice of will. To leave one place to enter into another you must disconnect from the masses of that place. Even though I am here with humans I am not connected to their way, when my heart stops I still live while they do not. I can connect to your world and never be in the world you think I am in, I learned this from disconnecting from their way and forming my own way, and so to disconnect from the masses is not a bad thing to me. I use both disconnection and connection., which in turn creates all ways.

omgoodness...I think I have found my twin soul..well twin journeying soul..lol..

[somnium]

Yes individual personalities, learning and growing as they need too for them..


Yes, I found a man, a saint, who taught me that there is hidden beauty in all things, and as I gazed at a flower with him his perceptions spread to mine and I saw new colours and pattern manifest on the flower before my eyes. I leanred that many people see things in many ways, and their perceptions and knowledge can be very great and valuable. That is why I allow people to form their own way, their own imagination, and then see and discover what they have found on their own.

nice chatting btw :hug2:

[somnium]

omgoodness...I think I have found my twin soul..well twin journeying soul..lol..


I know how you feel, I thought that a few times too, surprised?! The first time was when I read a couple of your poems that carried the same knowledge i too carry. Beautiful poetry too btw.

[silent whisper]

Yes, I found a man, a saint, who taught me that there is hidden beauty in all things, and as I gazed at a flower with him his perceptions spread to mine and I saw new colours and pattern manifest on the flower before my eyes. I leanred that many people see things in many ways, and their perceptions and knowledge can be very great and valuable. That is why I allow people to form their own way, their own imagination, and then see and discover what they have found on their own.


That is so beautiful. To see beyond just what is apparent is exactly what you doing here in this thread..a merging of realities in a shared openness..you show the potential in that one small powerful story..

nice chatting btw :hug2:

I am enjoying what you sharing..:hug3:

[silent whisper]

I know how you feel, I thought that a few times too, surprised?! The first time was when I read a couple of your poems that carried the same knowledge i too carry. Beautiful poetry too btw.


Nothing surprises me more than a resonation with such feeling and knowing through that sharing of a whole experience unfolding....as you are doing here...its quite lovely really.

Thankyou..

[somnium]

Nothing surprises me more than a resonation with such feeling and knowing through that sharing of a whole experience unfolding....as you are doing here...its quite lovely really.

Thankyou..


A very glowing 'you're welcome'.

[BlueSky]

Capacity breaking free from your own confines and reality as one is in this suspended manner, is about becoming more grounded in your higher self, separating from reality is part of breaking the confinement of reality to merge and let go of it before coming back into it... Of course as mentioned the landing brings about another level of grounding when its time..but this higher space of learning is important before that point..
I suppose that could be so. I like reality. I like my life. That's probably the difference between one who escapes and one who finds no reason or desire to.

[silent whisper]

I suppose that could be so. I like reality. I like my life. That's probably the difference between one who escapes and one who finds no reason or desire to.

Your missing the point of the process, it may be about that for you in that perception. Escaping reality is often a necessity FOR SOME to heal, grow and expand into the whole self, if you wish to call it escaping, the body does what it needs to do for its own purpose..

Its easy to look in and take the escapism view..when you haven't experienced it yourself



Some settle, that is a choice...some reach a point and think that is all there is ...some continue to grow and expand with knowing of all that in feeling and connection for the whole of their life and journey as one..

You like your life..

I love my life and without the experience I had that sominum is showing here, that love of my life would be less in feeling and awareness than it is now..I am sure of that.

[somnium]

I suppose that could be so. I like reality. I like my life. That's probably the difference between one who escapes and one who finds no reason or desire to.

I love my life too, but I see many reasons to escape it. I see the same about the greatest inventors of our time. I escape the common view of disease to seek beyond it and form a cure. Like the man who wanted to escape lugging around his goods to make a wheel. Or the man who wanted to escape being in the dark while trying to write so creates a light.

In fact I love my life and other people's lives so much that I want to make life better for them and me too. And I can and do this for many. Just because I see things in this world that can be made better and more aware does not mean i want to escape life, heck life can be anything you know, and so through loving life I seek all the life I can find, in any place I can find it, and there are many.

I escaped my life and found a new one, and a new one, and i escaped that one too and sought the source of my life, and in doing so found all of life.

[somnium]

Please do not take this the wrong way, or apply it to yourself, because I post this in relation to my own experiences and history of the human collective.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein.

[BlueSky]

Your missing the point of the process, it may be about that for you in that perception. Escaping reality is often a necessity FOR SOME to heal, grow and expand into the whole self, if you wish to call it escaping, the body does what it needs to do for its own purpose..

Its easy to look in and take the escapism view..when you haven't experienced it yourself



Some settle, that is a choice...some reach a point and think that is all there is ...some continue to grow and expand with knowing of all that in feeling and connection for the whole of their life and journey as one..

You like your life..

I love my life and without the experience I had that sominum is showing here, that love of my life would be less in feeling and awareness than it is now..I am sure of that.
You are changing the point and are now talking about something different. Escaping to heal, etc is not the same as escaping to find some higher self.

For what it's worth I have experienced and even lived what you are talking about. The more I healed, the more i saw that it was not about discovering a higher self but rather about revealing and letting go of a conditioned self.

[silent whisper]

Dreamers don't just see the big picture they invent it...:)

[silent whisper]

You are changing the point and are now talking about something different. Escaping to heal, etc is not the same as escaping to find some higher self.

You only seeing part of the view because you haven't been there yourself perhaps....have you never sat in the sun or down in the forest alone and escaped in your day dreams, and taken yourself far away to places of contemplation and ideas and dreams..if you have only escaped for healing then you are really missing out in my opinon. So you are changing it to fit your own limited view...if I may be so bold to say..

For what it's worth I have experienced and even lived what you are talking about. The more I heal the more is see that it was not about discovering a higher self but rather about revealing and letting go if a conditioned self.

You are basing it on your own path. Your journey is yours, you don't fit the whole picture of others paths and yours as one.....seriously capacity, when are you going to blow apart your own limited box, its been lingering for a while now..

The letting go of the conditioned self has a turning point don't forget that...but then that's probably why you sit and manifest the old maybe?

[silent whisper]

Please do not take this the wrong way, or apply it to yourself, because I post this in relation to my own experiences and history of the human collective.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein.

Uhuh albert knows his stuff..

..............

[BlueSky]

.....a self that is whole, a self that is healed is left with being. Not becoming more whole. Whole is whole. I am whole.

[silent whisper]

.....a self that is whole, a self that is healed is left with being. Not becoming more whole. Whole is whole. I am whole.


Being what capacity?

what are you going to be now?

Whats next on you list of being your whole self I wonder..

You don't have to answer, just find a nice spot alone some place nice.. and dream it into being...that is a wonderful place to explore..

The unknown arising from the ashes of the old conditioned self...perfect!

[BlueSky]

You are basing it on your own path. Your journey is yours, you don't fit the whole picture of others paths and yours as one.....seriously capacity, when are you going to blow apart your own limited box, its been lingering for a while now..

The letting go of the conditioned self has a turning point don't forget that...but then that's probably why you sit and manifest the old maybe?
Your constant assessment of me is growing old. You can't hear beyond your misguided intuition and judgement of me and it makes communicating with you impossible and undesirable.
Oh well it is what it is. Have a good night. I'm sure you will imagine some intent behind even this post.

[somnium]

.....a self that is whole, a self that is healed is left with being. Not becoming more whole. Whole is whole. I am whole.

What of the wholeness of God being omnipresent and omnipotent? We are merely a small part of the wholeness of all life and creation, all ways of being. You can in fact reach this position of connection with Infinity, becoming the whole of creation. The process of separation can create one way then two and so on, fragmenting life into every way, but the process of unification, connection, can bring all these 'wholes' into one complete whole, being no longer separate.

[BlueSky]

Being what capacity?

what are you going to be now?

Whats next on you list of being your whole self I wonder..

You don't have to answer, just find a nice spot alone some place nice.. and dream it into being...that is a wonderful place to explore..

The unknown arising from the ashes of the old conditioned self...perfect!
Being present for whatever the present brings. There is nothing to do beyond what the present compelles me to do.

[BlueSky]

What of the wholeness of God being omnipresent and omnipotent? We are merely a small part of the wholeness of all life and creation, all ways of being. You can in fact reach this position of connection with Infinity, becoming the whole of creation. The process of separation can create one way then two and so on, fragmenting life into every way, but the process of unification, connection, can bring all these 'wholes' into one complete whole, being no longer separate.
I've done all that and in ways that amazed me but the very truth of being able to do or be anything made me lose interest in it and now I find it more miraculous to make a baby smile than to place my attention on all I can do.
I don't know if I articulated that well but it makes sense to me.
You see I don't have a god complex and even in my whole ness there lies a mystery that keeps me humble and grounded. The mystery is as it should be by it's very nature.... A mystery.

[silent whisper]

Your constant assessment of me is growing old. You can't hear beyond your misguided intuition and judgement of me and it makes communicating with you impossible and undesirable.
Oh well it is what it is. Have a good night. I'm sure you will imagine some intent behind even this post.



I see no judgment, but fully trust my intuition in the presence of each moment.
a loving heart will speak its mind, the hidden view you will find..not me..

Sweet dreams capacity..

[silent whisper]

I've done all that and in ways that amazed me but the very truth of being able to do or be anything made me lose interest in it and now I find it more miraculous to make a baby smile than to place my attention on all I can do.
I don't know if I articulated that well but it makes sense to me.
You see I don't have a god complex and even in my whole ness there lies a mystery that keeps me humble and grounded. The mystery is as it should be by it's very nature.... A mystery.


Oh dear...there is that point of contention that Neville was talking about earlier..only on the other side of it.

There is no need to compare yourself to others..you are you as you are.

A babies smile is as enriching as any connection one connects too...

It is interesting in your state of being, that you often compare others to that new space you have found..but it is only one space..there are many spaces of connection...

[BlueSky]

I see no judgment, but fully trust my intuition in the presence of each moment.
a loving heart will speak its mind, the hidden view you will find..not me..

Sweet dreams capacity..
No Silent, you are comparing my words against your views and imagining intent on my part. That is not intuition, it is simply an inability to listen objectively.
Intuition would keep it to itself but you seem to need to place me beneath you.
It's probably no more than you see yourself as a teacher and therefore post in that tone but regardless it's getting old and it makes it undesirable to post my thoughts. People are very deep and so much so that we need to recognize the limitations that depth puts on the use of our intuition in that regard.

[silent whisper]

No Silent, you are comparing my words against your views and imagining intent on my part. That is not intuition, it is simply an inability to listen objectively.
Intuition would keep it to itself but you seem to need to place me beneath you.
It's probably no more than you see yourself as a teacher and therefore post in that tone but regardless it's getting old and it makes it under durable to post my thoughts. People are very deep and so much so that we need to recognize the limitations that depth puts on the use if our intuition in that regard.

If you go back over this entire thread and re read your comments here and there you will see that my intuition in trust of the WHOLE was in fact doing exactly that speaking from the whole not just one post that activated your judging side and ideas of how my intuition is..:)


The intention or judgement you placed here yourself.

You have set ideas about everything and its showing now.

I don't see myself as anything.... more I see myself as being whatever I am in the moment..that changes as through the nature of the whole of me.

Authentic self? Have you heard of that name?

some limit that to one size fits all..

I don't limit..

I don't even limit you in this moment...:)

[somnium]

I've done all that and in ways that amazed me but the very truth of being able to do or be anything made me lose interest in it and now I find it more miraculous to make a baby smile than to place my attention on all I can do.
I don't know if I articulated that well but it makes sense to me.
You see I don't have a god complex and even in my whole ness there lies a mystery that keeps me humble and grounded. The mystery is as it should be by it's very nature.... A mystery.

I will quote Albert Einstein again and say this "I have no special talents aside form being very curious". His desire to unravel the mystery of existence has led to many of the great things in this life, as well as many of the other inventors and seekers. Yet that is not the only mystery, and the mystery can ever be found, even though you find an answer and form one way from one truth, does nothing to erase the potential of every other way and truth to find and form. You can always find a mystery so long as it is a mystery you seek.

It does no good to hide the light that is within us, and by being more then we have been and growing to become more then we beleived possible. To become Gods. It is in our nature to grow and develop and expand. And when one learns something new, becomes something more, others see it and become inspired to this way, spreading the potenital to others so they become more in the process.

Just because you do not have a God complex, as you say, does not mean that it is wrong for others to want to become as God, to be all knowing and seek the light of truth and awareness and power and ability. Some say all paths lead to God, being the source and collector of all life.

Just because your way seems right for you, does not mean it is right for another, or that you are better for being in your way. It takes all ways to create the totality of infinite life and potential. Just because i often escape reality and you do not does not mean you are right and better then me or that you love life more then me. My love of life seeks to find all life, not to be confinied merely into one way, so I escape the one way to realize that 1 leads to 2 then 3, and when you add them all up makes Infinite eternity,

[BlueSky]

Oh dear...there is that point of contention that Neville was talking about earlier..only on the other side of it.

There is no need to compare yourself to others..you are you as you are.

A babies smile is as enriching as any connection one connects too...

It is interesting in your state of being, that you often compare others to that new space you have found..but it is only one space..there are many spaces of connection...
Again you are wrong. I wasn't suggesting Somnium had a god complex. You see me as comparing but I am not. I can't even imagine the need to do that. It may have read that way but real unbias intuition would have picked up on the true energy of my words.

[silent whisper]

Your constant assessment of me is growing old. You can't hear beyond your misguided intuition and judgement of me and it makes communicating with you impossible and undesirable.
Oh well it is what it is. Have a good night. I'm sure you will imagine some intent behind even this post.

Anyway you were taking flight..but your still here..:)

TRust in the whole of oneself unfolding with the whole of others trusts, nothing is imagined in intention just the feeling/awareness/intuitive connection as whole..thats the truth too..:)

Using your imagination one with your whole self is another thing altogether of course...

[BlueSky]

I will quote Albert Einstein again and say this "I have no special talents aside form being very curious". His desire to unravel the mystery of existence has led to many of the great things in this life, as well as many of the other inventors and seekers. Yet that is not the only mystery, and the mystery can ever be found, even though you find an answer and form one way from one truth, does nothing to erase the potential of every other way and truth to find and form. You can always find a mystery so long as it is a mystery you seek.

It does no good to hide the light that is within us, and by being more then we have been and growing to become more then we beleived possible. To become Gods. It is in our nature to grow and develop and expand. And when one learns something new, becomes something more, others see it and become inspired to this way, spreading the potenital to others so they become more in the process.

Just because you do not have a God complex, as you say, does not mean that it is wrong for others to want to become as God, to be all knowing and seek the light of truth and awareness and power and ability. Some say all paths lead to God, being the source and collector of all life.

Just because your way seems right for you, does not mean it is right for another, or that you are better for being in your way. It takes all ways to create the totality of infinite life and potential. Just because i often escape reality and you do not does not mean you are right and better then me or that you love life more then me. My love of life seeks to find all life, not to be confinied merely into one way, so I escape the one way to realize that 1 leads to 2 then 3, and when you add them all up makes Infinite eternity,
That's all fine but why are you saying it to me? Are you getting sucked into SW's judgement of me? Comparing and all?
I couldn't agree with your post here more and it confuses me why you would think otherwise. My pointing out in myself that I don't have a god complex does not imply that everyone should be like me. It was simply sharing that I no longer need to place my attention on me and all I can do. I've seen all I am and the need to look has been fulfilled. Now all that I am is whatever the moment brings.

[somnium]

My love of life seeks to find all life, not to be confinied merely into one way, so I escape the one way to realize that 1 leads to 2 then 3, and when you add them all up makes Infinite eternity,

Interestingly enough as you count you can see that separation creates 1 then divides into two, like a baby being born. And yet when you look at 1 then 2 then 3, you will find that within the 3 is also the 1 and the 2. A process of separation and division that is also always connected. And yet it all starts at 0, the empty place where any number can be formed, any way, and there is nothing in 0 that opposes or confined. Death's release. Nothing to anything, and everything. Its simple mathematics really.

[silent whisper]

Again you are wrong. I wasn't suggesting Somnium had a god complex. You see me as comparing but I am not. I can't even imagine the need to do that. It may have read that way but real unbias intuition would have picked up on the true energy of my words.


I don't see you as wrong..but I am? Ok that is your view.

Ooopsy read that one WRONG...corrected myself..hehe

We can imagine so much that is not real..of course.

[silent whisper]

What is a god complex anyhow?

[silent whisper]

OK Capacity I take back all that I have said of you and own it all for myself and my journey.

Thankyou for helping me see that all that I was seeing in you was my own issue to begin and something for me to learn and grow through.

I appreciate you honesty of feeling and telling me how it is for you.

That helps me see what aspect of myself I let go overboard sometimes.

Your a cool cat and I wouldn't want to ignite your claws and have you scratch me to deep.

Again my apologies I am self reflecting here and going back to my heart space..once more..

Amen..:)

[Gem]

If you go back over this entire thread and re read your comments here and there you will see that my intuition in trust of the WHOLE was in fact doing exactly that speaking from the whole not just one post that activated your judging side and ideas of how my intuition is..:)


[quote]The intention or judgement you placed here yourself.

You have set ideas about everything and its showing now.

Serves to assert judgement and set ideas, and effectively belittles

I don't see myself as anything.... more I see myself as being whatever I am in the moment..that changes as through the nature of the whole of me.

Authentic self? Have you heard of that name?

some limit that to one size fits all..

I don't limit..

Places self in a position higher than that which was at first belittled

I don't even limit you in this moment...:)

Disclaimer.

You might not see how it comes across, but it does start by indicating flaw in another, followed by a bit self aggrandisment and ending in a sweet platitude. This appears to be a play for position whether that's intentional or not.

[BlueSky]

What is a god complex anyhow?
To me a god complex is when ones attention is on themselves rather than just being themselves.

[silent whisper]

[quote=silent whisper]If you go back over this entire thread and re read your comments here and there you will see that my intuition in trust of the WHOLE was in fact doing exactly that speaking from the whole not just one post that activated your judging side and ideas of how my intuition is..:)




Serves to assert judgement and set ideas, and effectively belittles



Places self in a position higher than that which was at first belittled



Disclaimer.

You might not see how it comes across, but it does start by indicating flaw in another, followed by a bit self aggrandisment and ending in a sweet platitude. This appears to be a play for position whether that's intentional or not.

Gems here :)

That's an awesome post..by the way.

Your very intelligent and very articulate which I am very jealous of.

[silent whisper]

To me a god complex is when ones attention is on themselves rather than just being themselves.

Ok that makes sense I suppose.

There could quite easily be a fine line between the two couldn't there?

[BlueSky]

OK Capacity I take back all that I have said of you and own it all for myself and my journey.

Thankyou for helping me see that all that I was seeing in you was my own issue to begin and something for me to learn and grow through.

I appreciate you honesty of feeling and telling me how it is for you.

That helps me see what aspect of myself I let go overboard sometimes.

Your a cool cat and I wouldn't want to ignite your claws and have you scratch me to deep.

Again my apologies I am self reflecting here and going back to my heart space..once more..

Amen..:)
Thank you for this post.
I consider myself to have a sharp sense of intuition and it took me a long time and many instances of being wrong to see that it was not infallible. If I was smart, I'd let it pass like a thought when it tries to think it knows the depth of another human being.
Anyways thanks again.
Peace

[somnium]

That's all fine but why are you saying it to me? Are you getting sucked into SW's judgement of me? Comparing and all?
I couldn't agree with your post here more and it confuses me why you would think otherwise. My pointing out in myself that I don't have a god complex does not imply that everyone should be like me. It was simply sharing that I no longer need to place my attention on me and all I can do. I've seen all I am and the need to look has been fulfilled. Now all that I am is whatever the moment brings.


No i was referring to your comment on escaping and not escaping based on a desire and love for life. It seemed to me that you thought it better to not escape as opposed to escaping, and also escaping meaning you do not love life, and so wanted to address. Thats all.

As well I felt strongly that the comment about having a God-complex was referring to it as being a negative thing, or a delusion. Most people use that term as an attack on people like me, and has become the norm in this dimension. An insult. And so i defended myself and stated what I think about the topic. That's all.

Sorry if there was any misunderstanding, it happens from time to time. I am not always SEEING the essence of what is before me although i usually do, and sometimes am seeing the essence of what is within me, and my past experiences. Its all a matter of focus.

[silent whisper]

Thank you for this post.
I consider myself to have a sharp sense of intuition and it took me a long time and many instances of being wrong to see that it was not infallible. If I was smart, I'd let it pass like a thought when it tries to think it knows the depth of another human being.
Anyways thanks again.
Peace

Peace to you gentle hearted man..:)

[BlueSky]

Ok that makes sense I suppose.

There could quite easily be a fine line between the two couldn't there?
I don't know it just seems natural the more one becomes one with all, that one becomes the all and not fixed on the one.
One man I read of said it nicely how I feel about this. He said that when I look at you it is not face to face. It is no face to face. When I talk to you I am the space for you to be.
To me, becoming whole looks more like blending in than standing out from my perspective. To others i may look the opposite but I'm talking about from my perspective.

[silent whisper]

No i was referring to your comment on escaping and not escaping based on a desire and love for life. It seemed to me that you thought it better to not escape as opposed to escaping, and also escaping meaning you do not love life, and so wanted to address. Thats all.

Yes that is what I fired up from that space...:)

As well I felt strongly that the comment about having a God-complex was referring to it as being a negative thing, or a delusion. Most people use that term as an attack on people like me, and has become the norm in this dimension. An insult. And so i defended myself and stated what I think about the topic. That's all.

Sorry if there was any misunderstanding, it happens from time to time. I am not always SEEING the essence of what is before me although i usually do, and sometimes am seeing the essence of what is within me, and my past experiences. Its all a matter of focus.

There is no escape really ..is there? that escape is really anothers perception of how life might seem to be more fulfilling...

The point of contention arose from the removal of self from living fully, not embracing ones life, but it is all part of ones life no matter where you live it from..escaping is part of life..or transcending or suspending..or anything for that matter under that heading..

The head, the heart, the mind, body or spirit..

One may lead, or overshadow another aspect of self, but ultimately they all count in the whole, over the mystery of the greater unfolding..

[somnium]

A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard their personal opinions as unquestionably correct.[1][2] The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges.[1]

Since this is my thread about shrinking myself, and how you can do anything you want to do and become regardless of terms such as impossible. I saw no way not to take the comment personally or to think that it did not refer to me.

[silent whisper]

I don't know it just seems natural the more one becomes one with all, that one becomes the all and not fixed on the one.
One man I read of said it nicely how I feel about this. He said that when I look at you it is not face to face. It is no face to face. When I talk to you I am the space for you to be.
To me, becoming whole looks more like blending in than standing out from my perspective. To others i may look the opposite but I'm talking about from my perspective.

Ah now I see..


one with all within self is how the whole manifests through the whole self...as one...

The blending doesn't mean that each individual colour in that merge cannot be utilized in part of that whole at any time. Each colour is a stand alone at times in its creative presence and use. And the whole is there no matter, if it is integrated it is whole in each piece utilized in the moment..anyway

Of course if you only see a blend and not each colour as it was, is and can be then you blend will be whatever you see...

Of course that is my view only..

:)

[silent whisper]

Since this is my thread about shrinking myself, and how you can do anything you want to do and become regardless of terms such as impossible. I saw no way not to take the comment personally or to think that it did not refer to me.

Stand up tall and tell it like it is...:) woo hoo..

[somnium]

There is no escape really ..is there? that escape is really anothers perception of how life might seem to be more fulfilling...

The point of contention arose from the removal of self from living fully, not embracing ones life, but it is all part of ones life no matter where you live it from..escaping is part of life..or transcending or suspending..or anything for that matter under that heading..

The head, the heart, the mind, body or spirit..

One may lead, or overshadow another aspect of self, but ultimately they all count in the whole, over the mystery of the greater unfolding..

I understand, yet when the equation falls back into 0 then all the values of that way become suspended, or inactive. There are two sides to infinity, the active side, and the inactive side. Which is to say life and death. This is so a new equation can form without the product or outcome of the old equation. To create a new canvas without painting the same picture.

But yes, in the pure totality of creation, the total connection, all is omnipresent, thus immortal and always existing. Its a paradox because every moment you ever lived has been lived, and will always be, and yet you can still leave that life for a new one, but the old life and old way is recorded, and even existing right now, even though you left. And so 0, or death, is thus a reaper of life, that ends the life as well as collects it. As i see it life and death exist omnipresently as well, meaning that life is always dieing, every moment is being collected right now, proof of this is in time, as you see that this moment is in motion, passing from one moment into another, letting go of the last moment, and yet it is still alive, existing right now even, hence every moment is "reaped", collected, and part of the omnipresence. It just means that all life and ways are passing on always, and yet collected and existing always at the same time. Baffling huh!?

[BlueSky]

No i was referring to your comment on escaping and not escaping based on a desire and love for life. It seemed to me that you thought it better to not escape as opposed to escaping, and also escaping meaning you do not love life, and so wanted to address. Thats all.

As well I felt strongly that the comment about having a God-complex was referring to it as being a negative thing, or a delusion. Most people use that term as an attack on people like me, and has become the norm in this dimension. An insult. And so i defended myself and stated what I think about the topic. That's all.

Sorry if there was any misunderstanding, it happens from time to time. I am not always SEEING the essence of what is before me although i usually do, and sometimes am seeing the essence of what is within me, and my past experiences. Its all a matter of focus.
That's cool thanks. I think we all got lost in all the excitement. I think you are awesome but at the same time I recognize that part of me that wrestled with the energy you bring in regards to giving up this life. For years and years this troubled me and rightfully so.
So you see you bring up this old me who wants to enter that struggle again because he thinks it is something that must be done. The whole me knows better.
My point is that we have something in us that wants to see life as you do and that something is a desire only and one that has roots that need to be examined.
Anyways, I'm babbling now but I thank you for being you. This has need inspiring

[somnium]

Stand up tall and tell it like it is...:) woo hoo..

hehe, Thanks I do this yes.

[silent whisper]

I understand, yet when the equation falls back into 0 then all the values of that way become suspended, or inactive. There are two sides to infinity, the active side, and the inactive side. Which is to say life and death. This is so a new equation can form without the product or outcome of the old equation. To create a new canvas without painting the same picture.

Yes.

But yes, in the pure totality of creation, the total connection, all is omnipresent, thus immortal and always existing. Its a paradox because every moment you ever lived has been lived, and will always be, and yet you can still leave that life for a new one, but the old life and old way is recorded, and even existing right now, even though you left. And so 0, or death, is thus a reaper of life, that ends the life as well as collects it. As i see it life and death exist omnipresently as well, meaning that life is always dieing, every moment is being collected right now, proof of this is in time, as you see that this moment is in motion, passing from one moment into another, letting go of the last moment, and yet it is still alive, existing right now even, hence every moment is "reaped", collected, and part of the omnipresence. It just means that all life and ways are passing on always, and yet collected and existing always at the same time. Baffling huh!?


Yes yes yes...:)

Perfectly resonates through my entire being...:)

[silent whisper]

That's cool thanks. I think we all got lost in all the excitement. I think you are awesome but at the same time I recognize that part of me that wrestled with the energy you bring in regards to giving up this life.



For years and years this troubled me and rightfully so.


So you see you bring up this old me who wants to enter that struggle again because he thinks it is something that must be done. The whole me knows better.


My point is that we have something in us that wants to see life as you do and that something is a desire only and one that has roots that need to be examined.


That something is important as the process itself...the roots when implanted on both sides grow with greater awareness..


Anyways, I'm babbling now but I thank you for being you. This has need inspiring

Now you show yourself capacity. That part of you felt but not fully expressed until this moment of the sharing..:)

My intuition never lets me down in the whole of me one with the whole unfolding..:)

[BlueSky]

[QUOTE=Gem]

Gems here :)

That's an awesome post..by the way.

Your very intelligent and very articulate which I am very jealous of.
It's interesting how his conclusion matched mine. It still doesn't mean it is so unless you say so but I wonder why consciously or unconsciously spiritual people speak down to other spiritual people and set themselves up as a teacher. It seems a teacher would do just the opposite

[silent whisper]

Often the expression of hidden old patterns and feelings will intermingle with the new awakening as one. When realities merge as one in this way, you uncover not only the new but the old way as one...and what transpires is a greater view and place of peace as one if you allow it all, especially when all are open to the flow of events and not unplug...glad you didn't leave capacity...:)

Cool guys time for me to unplug and go do get real..in real life..thanks and have a nice day both of you, oh and gem too...:)

[somnium]

[QUOTE=silent whisper]
It's interesting how his conclusion matched mine. It still doesn't mean it is so unless you say so but I wonder why consciously or unconsciously spiritual people speak down to other spiritual people and set themselves up as a teacher. It seems a teacher would do just the opposite

In one dimension we discovered that our own awareness of people and what they are manifested that form of reality. And so the advanced teacher suspended his awareness to allow the incredible unknown to manifest into his students, intending them forward beyond himself. The next day a magazine article in that world depicted a photograph of all the students teaching the teachers. the teacher freed himself from his judgements and allowed the higher forms of awareness to enter into his students making them far beyond himself, as well as free to form their own way, apart from the teacher.

[silent whisper]

[QUOTE=silent whisper]
It's interesting how his conclusion matched mine. It still doesn't mean it is so unless you say so but I wonder why consciously or unconsciously spiritual people speak down to other spiritual people and set themselves up as a teacher. It seems a teacher would do just the opposite


Open minded means a teacher is everything and nothing ....I have nothing holding on your view by the way...

[somnium]

Often the expression of hidden old patterns and feelings will intermingle with the new awakening as one. When realities merge as one in this way, you uncover not only the new but the old way as one...and what transpires is a greater view and place of peace as one if you allow it all, especially when all are open to the flow of events and not unplug...glad you didn't leave capacity...:)

Cool guys time for me to unplug and go do get real..in real life..thanks and have a nice day both of you, oh and gem too...:)


be careful not to separate your learnings from your life, and allow the collective consciousness of this moment to flow into the world around you. unless you want to do this ofcourse, totally up to you!

[silent whisper]

[QUOTE=Capacity]

In one dimension we discovered that our own awareness of people and what they are manifested that form of reality. And so the advanced teacher suspended his awareness to allow the incredible unknown to manifest into his students, intending them forward beyond himself. The next day a magazine article in that world depicted a photograph of all the students teaching the teachers. the teacher freed himself from his judgements and allowed the higher forms of awareness to enter into his students making them far beyond himself, as well as free to form their own way, apart from the teacher.

perfect!

You are such a breath of fresh air..

[silent whisper]

be careful not to separate your learnings from your life, and allow the collective consciousness of this moment to flow into the world around you. unless you want to do this ofcourse, totally up to you!

the world doesn't end for me when I leave here...it is just the beginning of learning for me..:)

seeyou next beginning..:wink:

[somnium]

perfect!

You are such a breath of fresh air..
still glowing...:smile:

a student was painting a picture in that world and the teacher asked the student what are you painting? The student replied "God", and the teacher said "how do you know what God looks like?", and the student replied "I don't yet, that is why i am painting Him". The picture was phenomenal and you could see within her picture so many pictures within the one picture, some being sacred geometry, and many other things. All in one form. It was breathtaking and perfect. I wish i had a picture of it!

[somnium]

the world doesn't end for me when I leave here...it is just the beginning of learning for me..:)

seeyou next beginning..:wink:


:hug2: !!!

[BlueSky]

Often the expression of hidden old patterns and feelings will intermingle with the new awakening as one. When realities merge as one in this way, you uncover not only the new but the old way as one...and what transpires is a greater view and place of peace as one if you allow it all, especially when all are open to the flow of events and not unplug...glad you didn't leave capacity...:)

Cool guys time for me to unplug and go do get real..in real life..thanks and have a nice day both of you, oh and gem too...:)
Yes and that did happen in the thread for me. Have a good day/ night

[Gem]

It's interesting how his conclusion matched mine. It still doesn't mean it is so unless you say so but I wonder why consciously or unconsciously spiritual people speak down to other spiritual people and set themselves up as a teacher. It seems a teacher would do just the opposite
Wait... now I don't know how to act.

[BlueSky]

Now you show yourself capacity. That part of you felt but not fully expressed until this moment of the sharing..:)

My intuition never lets me down in the whole of me one with the whole unfolding..:)
It was always expressed and realized on my end. It just was never shared. So strike 3 for your intuition lol

[BlueSky]

Wait... now I don't know how to act.
Lol me neither

[somnium]

Now you show yourself capacity. That part of you felt but not fully expressed until this moment of the sharing..:)

It was always expressed and realized on
my end. It just was never shared. So strike 3 for your intuition lol

Not really, that is what she said, "until the moment you shared". Not to nitpick here but if you do not share you are not fully expressing yourself.

ex·press1
ikˈspres/
verb
verb: express; 3rd person present: expresses; past tense: expressed; past participle: expressed; gerund or present participle: expressing

1.
convey (a thought or feeling) in words or by gestures and conduct.
"he expressed complete satisfaction"
synonyms: communicate, convey, indicate, show, demonstrate, reveal, make manifest, put across/over, get across/over; More




I only point this out because i would like to avoid attacks on people's intuition, especially when it wasn't incorrect in the first place.