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chi chi
04-08-2006, 02:38 PM
:confused: up until the age of 16 i saw n heard spirit why can i only get their thoughts now when i could see and hear i lost this when my life started to change n grew up never got anyfin then only the odd feeling that i ad to go to sumone close cos they was poorly that was the only thing i did pick up on and was never wrong can anyone understand why this has happened would love to get back to seeing and hearing so much easier than their thoughts
love chi xxxxxx

Ascended Master
04-08-2006, 03:29 PM
:confused: up until the age of 16 i saw n heard spirit why can i only get their thoughts now when i could see and hear i lost this when my life started to change n grew up never got anyfin then only the odd feeling that i ad to go to sumone close cos they was poorly that was the only thing i did pick up on and was never wrong can anyone understand why this has happened would love to get back to seeing and hearing so much easier than their thoughts
love chi xxxxxx

Hi chi...

This is because, in life, we generate energies that add to our soul as well as take away from it?
And as I grew up, I saw and took on a lot of negativity as a child.
So this is what I'm shifting, in order to ascend, in order to again be able to do the things I used to be able to do, or see?

Your body, I assume, is only allowing you to connect with energies in certain ways, because some of your senses are still blocked with the negative residue of past experience?

The amount I had stored in my being is taking alot of time to shift, and some of it is hard to shift, taking alot of thought and mental / emotional release, but fortunately, there are also some pretty nifty ways to speed this process up! :D

Love and light....

kundalini
04-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Hi chi, chi,

Apparently, I too could see and hear spirit as a child but as I grew up I would have shut off those senses as soon as I would have realised that this wasn't socially acceptable and so that is what I must have done. You say you had this ability until you were 16, that must be a very powerful ability as in my opinion, it normally gets cut off a long time before that.

I also agree with Ascended Master. There is so much negativity a person can pick up on as they grow from a child into a teenager which include negative thought patterns, negative behaviour, negative habits especially as it's also around about this time that they shut off any former beliefs they may have had and it would also be around about this time that drink and drugs are introduced into their life and when people go down the road of daily drinking and drug-taking, there's a long way to get back on the path.

Naturally, drinking and drug-taking mess up the Chakra system, blocking some energy here, allowing too much energy to flow there and so things like that can only add to a person's problems.

I also agree that there are many ways to reconnect with spirit such as through meditation and positive visualisation techniques.

Maybe chi chi, now you are showing willing once again to see and hear spirit, then maybe that is a direction you are going in now. You should probably look at any areas of your life where there seems things could be better if you a certain something, then have the discipline to go through with it. I know it's hard so I guess all we have to do is flip that and know it's easy, lol.

Tiy
05-08-2006, 01:24 PM
Hey Chi Chi

Personally I think that most if not all children can contact and talk to spirit when they are young. It's not until they grow older and are conditioned against this sort of thing that they loose the ability. Or rather the abitlity is supressed. I mean until recently speaking to dead people was frowned upon so we were (or most of us) were taught that is was wrong or couldn't possibly be true. Who is to say that children's imaginary friends aren't actually imaginary but the childs guides or other spirits? It's just conditioning that tells us they are imaginary.

Yesterday my niece was showing my pictures of fairies in a book she has (she is only 4) and she would pick out certain pictures and tell me that she talks to this fairy and that fairy....now years ago she would have been told not to be silly fairies aren't real so you can't talk to them...I just told her that was great and I would love to be able to talk to fairies like she can. Who is to say that she isn't talking to fairies?

Thankfully my sister doesn't tell her kinds not to be silly when they say things like this....she doesn't try to supress anything but is very interested to hear what her kids have to say when they come out with strange things like that. I think more parents are like this now and hopefully this will cut back on people like us who have to relearn all the gifts we lost as we grew up.

Of course there are probably many more factors involved in why some of us lose or forget what we can do but I think upbringing as a lot to do with it....I'm just glad things seem to be changing now.

Hugs x

pepperi
05-08-2006, 06:30 PM
The only thing I'm picking up is as you grow and develop your mind changes. Your brain is more receptive towards seeing things more at a young age because its pure. As you get older your mind becomes tainted by outside forces but it doesn't mean you still do not have your sight. Sometimes your spirit guides feel you do not need to see because you know and feel they are present. I can only see when I need to or have to, but I always hear when they speak and I always listen. Just my thoughts be blessed:brushteeth:

kundalini
05-08-2006, 06:43 PM
The only thing I'm picking up is as you grow and develop your mind changes. Your brain is more receptive towards seeing things more at a young age because its pure. As you get older your mind becomes tainted by outside forces but it doesn't mean you still do not have your sight. Sometimes your spirit guides feel you do not need to see because you know and feel they are present. I can only see when I need to or have to, but I always hear when they speak and I always listen. Just my thoughts be blessed:brushteeth:

Yes, pepperi, that sounds about right. As you grow older, I feel that your mind receives more an impression and an intuition rather than actually audibly or visually seeing spirits. I think that is what you are saying too pepperi.

Personally, I think it will be possible for a person to see spirits and hear them but at the moment I feel that it would perhaps only be for those who have a higher purpose, for those who would like to pass messages on, such as mediums. That seems about right, I think.

Glorymist
06-08-2006, 01:23 AM
People - - if you remember your biology - - there is the "soft spot" at the top of the head - - pretty much open at birth. The crown chakra. The infant spends a great deal of its time asleep - - back in the Inner Worlds - - during infancy - - and the openness of this soft spot makes that very easy. As it closes - - around two years of age - - Soul becomes "trapped" once again. It doesn't like that. Hence - - one causative factor of the "terrible two's."

By six years of age we are well doctrinated into society. We are trained to focus on aspects of Self that are NOT spiritual. Thru peer pressure and otherwise - - we begin to close down the "abilities" or "tendencies" we brought with us. Without a doubt - - we can train ourselves to keep them open - - if we are so fortunate to be born into a family that will remind us to do so.

The school years simply immerse us into society. We turn more outward and less inward. We lose our talents even more.

Yes - - there are those that maintain these talents - - and others that re-discover them - - and others still that develop them anew.

The world trains us to NOT be spiritual. It was not too many decades ago when women especially would have to spend long hours doing very menial and mentally-dead tasks - - and they often used that time to keep their intuition open. They turned themselves "loose" - - so to speak - - and could keep that facet somewhat developed. Now - - activities are launched at us from every direction. Male and female - - young and old. Our attention is always outward. We lose the inner abilities.

The explanation for all of this can get more complex. This is obviously a very generalized offering.

And still - - these facets can be developed again - - if we take the time and put in the right kind and amount of effort. Spiritual discipline.

Even this - - spiritual discipline ! ! How many actually develop and nurture a deep spiritual discipline ?? At best - - the majority simply strive for mental direction via will power. That is NOT - - spiritual discipline.

kundalini
06-08-2006, 01:38 AM
Very interesting subject, Glorymist. I must admit I had not heard that the Crown Chakra is open at birth although now you have said it, it does make sense and yes, when we are younger, we are far more 'psychically aware'.

I totally agree with all the points you have made, they make logical sense and many of them I have already realised for myself.

Mental direction via will power...hmmm, I thnk I know what you mean although I think a more understandable way of putting across would be ego direction via will power ( which wouldn't necessarily be spiritual discipline ). Do you agree, Glorymist?

Glorymist
06-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Good grief - - I thought everyone knew about that little "soft spot" on a babies head.

As far as mental direction / will power is concerned - - the vast, vast majority of people approach life via thinking twoards something or thinking away from something via intense focus - - will power. They "will" things / thoughts / beliefs / habits. Mental concentration. Using thought to form or break habits, etc. That sort of thing.

Ego is a facet of the mind. All of mind is NOT ego. Basic ego is a survival mechanism. An "I will survive" thype of thing. The overblown or intensified ego gets all caught up in preferences, opinions, choices, etc. Demands of all kinds. A soft, basic ego is nice to have. It was necessary to have a LONG time ago or the proverbial caveman wouldn't care if the saber toothed tiger was going to choose him as his next meal. It nudged the caveman to at least try to continue his / her physical existence.

From there - - society has let the individual to fatten up their ego as a means to promote products / groups / religions / businesses / governments / countries / etc. You name it - - there is a facet of ego that can be taught to promote it.

Sad to see that so many current metaphysical teachings are trying to promote the idea that ego is the entire concept of self - - mental or otherwise. That the "I-ness" is the ego. The ability to identify self as self. Then they take it all farther and try to stomp this concept into the ground. Ego has been given a bum rap. But - - if one can stand back from the goings-on these days and see the trends that various forces / teachings are trying to promote - - you can understand perfectly why there is a move - - along with a LOT of others - - to get the individual to wish to stomp "self" into the ground - - to give it up - - to work against the concept of self - - ANY concept of self / individuality - - etc.

It's a "nice" move by the various forces that govern such things. It will lead the individual on a LONG detour on the Path. For many lifetimes.

Many.

But - - no one wishes to listen. So - - on we go.

:->

kundalini
06-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Good grief - - I thought everyone knew about that little "soft spot" on a babies head.

Yes I do know about the soft spot on a babie's head called 'The Crown'! What I hadn't worked out was that the Crown CHAKRA was open at birth and remained open for some time.

Right, now what I believed you were saying originally was mental direction via will power. So, by this I mean to take it that you mean a person growing up in a certain society, say a democratically-governed society such as our's, and say that person had say, 'freeform' spiritual leanings which could be called his SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE. So, what you are saying strictly speaking is that that person is only performing 'spiritual discipline' due to his or her EGO and that therefore the only benefit gained is more EGOTISM?

I have to disagree with that! For that to be true, then what you are saying is that every HUMAN BEING is simply scrambling for the old ways of POWER over their fellow human beings. Rather it is saying that most people are completely LOST whereas IMO more and more people are waking up to the REAL REALITY of OUR EXISTENCE.

Also, that would mean that when people are seeing and hearing SPIRITS or other mysterious ENTITIES then all they seeing is the HALLUCINOGENIC PRODUCE of a SELF-ABSORBED EGOTISTICAL mind. I feel that this simply isn't true for most people.

How about Life Direction via Spiritual Power? This would seem to be a lot more logical and appropriate. How about a person accepting their FEELINGS, EMOTIONS and whilst peacefully challenging their BELIEFS, also performing their SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE? That is a way of striving for SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE because of the NURTURING not INDULGING aspect. Do you understand what I am saying here Glorymist?

By the way, I'm not insulting your views!

chi chi
06-08-2006, 09:42 PM
thnx for the info guys was interesting still wish i didnt av 2 start again though must be the only thing i know that is harder to do second tym round lol
love chi xxxxxx

Glorymist
06-08-2006, 11:32 PM
No, kundalini - - I am not taking all of this as an insult to my views. But for the life of me - - I don't know how we got into this one ! ! hee hee

Chakras are an interaction between all the facets of the lower self. With the soft spot open, the energies are more free to "come and go" - - and since this is the most common "doorway" for Soul to enter and leave the body - - even at night in our dreams - - then the chakra could somewhat be considered to be more "open." I suppose - - technically - - it might not hold up as far as some of the Eastern teachings are concerned - - but the end result is very true indeed.

As far as the "mental direction / will power" is concerned - - I merely meant that most people deal with and interact with this world and their life via a mental viewpoint - - coupled with the emotions. It has nothing to do with what society a person grows up in. They all pretty much promote the mental viewpoint of life around them. There beliefs, their concepts, their attitudes - - etc. - - all pretty much mental. Thought.

Since the mind / emotions / body is of the psychic realms of duality - - they are not purely and solely spiritual. That belongs to those planes / dimensions beyond the worlds of duality - - beyond mind / thought / emotion / etc.

The only reason I mentioned ego is that so many people equate mind with ego. In other words - - mind = ego = mind. That - - is incorrect. Ego is a facet of mind. Highly trained and overblown in most cases - - yes. But all of mind is not ego. Mind is more than just ego.

And yes - - in a sense - - all human beings are simply scrambling for the old ways - - but I would NOT label all of them as power trips. The old beliefs / patterns / habits / etc. pretty much define most every human being alive these days. We are a creature of habit. That's all I am saying.

People are somewhat waking up to the idea that we are more than our physical existence - - but still wrestle hard with the principle of Soul verses mind. Most cannot even deal with that - - because they take a completely mental viewpoint to their existence and all around them. Nothing wrong with that ! ! It works - - to a point. Few are ready to - - nor really wish to - - move beyond. Many believe that to enter the mental silence is taking them out of the mental worlds. In truth - - it is a necessary preliminary step - - but entering mental silence does not automatically take anyone beyond the mental worlds - - tho it does offer some much appreciated respite from the mental chatterings of most people's minds. That in itself is VERY nice indeed.

Many can see / hear life around them in the other planes / dimensions. This gets quite complex - - as to exactly what they are seeing and the origination of what they see / hear. I am not going to deal with that here.

It is very tough to discuss things like this until the actual semantics are resolved between the various people holding the conversation. For the most part - - if we just wish to take a look at the overall stew pot and forget that there are differing ingredients in there - - then people are dealing with their lives / feelings / emotions / thoughts / beliefs / etc. as best they can - - whether this is an actual spiritual discipline or not. The world often tries to tell you one thing but Truth is most often quite another.

Discipline - - does not - - indulge. Discipline is more of a demand. A firm direction. An adhering to. Quite often - - a doing of something when one doesn't really wish to do so. An inner strength.

And again - - kundalini - - I have NO idea how we got into all of this. It really doesn't belong in this thread but I guess that's where it all ended up.

kundalini
06-08-2006, 11:44 PM
Lol, my thoughts exactly. In fact, I am beginning to wonder if I have over-stepped myself here as it feels like we are trying to explain the mysteries of the universe.

Yes, I accept that the EGO is a part of the MIND, no doubt designed so that one can LEARN to be an INDIVIDUAL. Think about it, if we all had no ego's or rather one uniting EGO then we would all be clones, exactly the same in thought processes, maybe not in physical appearance. But how we have got into this I am not sure.

In fact, I know what it is we are trying to explain here!

We are attempting to single out the process that makes people different to each other when actually it can only be one thing surely and that is EGO!

Glorymist
07-08-2006, 12:00 AM
There are few mysteries to the universe. Most can be generally and easily understood - - but few people want to really know. They wish to continue to believe as they always have up to this moment in their life. Such is the way and nature of the Path.

There is an individuality to mind - - and its perceptions of life - - and there is an individuality to Soul - - and Its perceptions of Life. There is a huge distinction. It dows NOT revlove around mental silence - - tho that is a very important means to an "end" in the understanding of it.

What makes people different from each other is their experiences in their life - - their MANY lives throughout the eons - - their interpretation of said experiences - - and what they do with the interpretation. This brings together all facets of self - - body / emotions / mind / and Soul.

The mind is not the powerful tool that it is if it could not be easily capable of misleading endlessly - - and all the while conning us into believing that we are doing the exact right thing ! ! The reason that peopel stay so long in the mental worlds is that they do NOT believe what they are told by those who know of and have indeed traveled beyond the mental worlds.

And the reason for that is - - ego. They do not want to be told because they believe themselves to already be right ! !

kundalini
07-08-2006, 12:18 AM
This is becoming very interesting!

Although, if that is the case, what is the opposite of the EGO?

A non-ego?

How is a person with a non-ego, if such a thing exists?

I have heard that the magician David Blaine claims to have no ego. I don't believe that and if one thinks about it, then surely him announcing that he has no ego is EGOTISTICAL, egotism surely being an aspect of the EGO.

Glorymist
07-08-2006, 02:57 AM
You ask some good questions. Ones I have never been asked before.

The opposite of ego would be a balanced mind. The teachings of the current metaphysicians and religious people wish to make it an either / or situation. Either this way or the other - - for or against. Ego - - or no ego ! ! Etc. Polarity at its finest ! ! All situations or conditions or experiences or principles or concepts have to be THIS way or THAT way ! ! Have you ever noticed that ?? You bring up something that is obviously very workable and viable and then they say "not always ! !" Good grief ! ! Like - - the one exception is supposed to disprove the rule ?? But - - that's the way the current trends are going. You can see the traps everywhere.

Anyway - - a balanced mind will have set aside the heavy limitations of ego but will knowingly deal with the basic ego of wanting to survive. To exist. If someone actually had no ego - - then they wouldn't necessarily adhere to any of the laws of society - - like - - traffic laws and such. They wouldn't care if they walked out in front of a speeding car. Ego is gone ! ! Why should they care ??

Yeah - - right ! !

So - - put this together with what I said at the beginning of this entry. Learn to live well in two worlds. Soul has to do that anyway. It has to learn to live "there" in It's true home beyond the worlds of duality - - and to also live "here" in this world because this is the school room that nudges It into situations to constantly and continuously face Itself thru the current set of dimensional bodies that it is dealing with at the time - - i.e. - - It's current lifetime.

It's just like having a side of you that goes to work and a side to you that deals with family / leisure time. The two are different. You know when to plug in which one - - tho often not happily. HeH Such is the discipline.

Someone can always make a claim that they are without ego. Lots of people do it on this forum - - and on other forums. It takes little effort to see that they are wrong - - but if you try to convince them of such - - you are in for a battle ! ! They depend on that belief for their sense of well-being ! ! They HAVE to have that belief ! ! Some - - can see - - and can be helped to broaden their viewpoint. Then they can deal with ego at an even deeper level.

All of this is the play of mind. Soul is out of It's element here. Mind - - rules here. Mind has convinced Soul that It (Soul) is secondary and unnecessary. And - - Soul has bought into it. As one progresses along the Path - - Soul begins to suspect - - then question - - then move towards - - then realize and know - - that this is NOT correct. It is Soul that rules - - while using mind as the tool that it is.

It takes "forever" to figure that out. And even when it is suspected - - it takes "forever" to revise and reshape ego to back off enough to get it all working in ones life.

That - - is the Path.

kundalini
07-08-2006, 07:17 PM
I have given this subject some thought and have reached the conclusion that human beings as they are NOW, can never attain a state of having no EGO.

This is because I find it unimaginable to be able to walk around having no ego. Yes, I know that you mentioned the concept of a basic 'survival' ego but would that not still be an ego? It would not just be egoless but mindless.

An ego is no doubt integral to the mind for how would one challenge themselves if they did not have an ego? How would one function? How would a person grow? I don't think it is enough to say a person has reached their full potential once they become the 'walking definition of being egoless'.
How would one interact with their surrounding environment if they had no ego? Would a person be able to accept they had an ego and accept all their bad points and good points and everybody else's permanently and then say they had no ego?

Ego is mind!

How can it not be? Maybe it is not just an aspect but IS the mind? These seem to be very futile questions. Maybe the only person who could answer them is an EGOLESS person, if there is such a thing . . .

Glorymist
07-08-2006, 09:46 PM
Yes - - the basic ego would still be "ego" - - but it is the overblown / excessive / controlling ego of choice / opinion / material desire / greed / etc. - - all of that - - this is what needs to be contended with. THAT - - is what needs to be resolved.

As I said before - - consider what the various metaphysicians / relisions / forces are trying to "do" by convincind the unsuspecting public to accept. If they can get the majority of the people to accept that ALL of ego has to be destroyed - - this just leaves the individual floating around in a non-thinking, totally passive, completely observant, drifting around, sombie mode ! ! If the various forces can get the individual to do that - - they they can keep that Soul trapped there forever - - because they will have no desire to do otherwise.

But if it can be understood that a certain degree of ego is rather necessary - - tho that degree is VERY small indeed - - and then just take care of the heavy, pretentious aspects of the mighty influencing ego - - and then move on from there because those limitations will be lessened / gone - - THEN - - that individual can move on itno greater awareness. The "ego" that is "left" is almost insignificant.

Ego - - is a PART of the mind. A facet of the mind. Try not to fall for the "ego is mind and mind is ego" bit.

There can be simple thought - - that is NOT judgment / opinion / etc. Like - - 2+2=4 - - is NOT a thought as influenced by ego - - whereas 2+2=4 and I love the power that this awareness give me - - is.

Just perceiving thru the senses - - seeing something - - hearing something - - is perceived thru the senses via the mind. To just perceive - - is not ego. To judge and form opinions / criticisms of what you perceive - - is.

dreamer
07-08-2006, 10:32 PM
I have given this subject some thought and have reached the conclusion that human beings as they are NOW, can never attain a state of having no EGO.

This is because I find it unimaginable to be able to walk around having no ego. Yes, I know that you mentioned the concept of a basic 'survival' ego but would that not still be an ego? It would not just be egoless but mindless.

An ego is no doubt integral to the mind for how would one challenge themselves if they did not have an ego? How would one function? How would a person grow? I don't think it is enough to say a person has reached their full potential once they become the 'walking definition of being egoless'.
How would one interact with their surrounding environment if they had no ego? Would a person be able to accept they had an ego and accept all their bad points and good points and everybody else's permanently and then say they had no ego?

Ego is mind!

How can it not be? Maybe it is not just an aspect but IS the mind? These seem to be very futile questions. Maybe the only person who could answer them is an EGOLESS person, if there is such a thing . . .

Maybe this is why we consider ourself human. It links in with the void thing God is peace/nothingness/void/the uncarved block. Maybe it is unimaginable now but it will become desireable at some point i'd wager - in about 13 billion years time ho, ho.

kundalini
07-08-2006, 11:07 PM
Maybe this is why we consider ourself human. It links in with the void thing God is peace/nothingness/void/the uncarved block. Maybe it is unimaginable now but it will become desireable at some point i'd wager - in about 13 billion years time ho, ho.

Yes, you're right, I said that's why NOW humans as they are may not be able to achieve this - - - Thing is, would we still consider ourselves human beings...would we even care?

Glorymist
07-08-2006, 11:59 PM
What I am trying to suggest is this - - that there is no NEED for one to totally lose the ego ! ! The fact that this desire is foisted upon us is a ploy to get us hooked on a quest that will take more time and effort and sidestep us into unnecessary experiences than one needs to.

Dreamer suggested what will obviously be the "next step" in all of this. If and when one balances all of this out - - just balances it out - - enough to find the right techniques and experiences to get beyond the mental worlds - - then the ego will be no more anyway because one will be beyond the mental worlds.

But - - as and when one has to contend with life here as a continuation - - one will have their attention here in these worlds. It is then - - even after traveling above and beyond the mental worlds - - that one has to remember to keep the ego in balance and live "above" it so to speak - - while acknowledging that there is a bit of ego still in effect - - still "around" - - still in existence.

One doesn't HAVE to totally squash the ego. That's a ploy set up as a detour - - and a big one at that. One only needs to balance it to the point where they can keep it under wraps - - understand it for what it is - - and then move beyond it into the worlds beyond mind and ego - - where there is no ego to contend with.

"We" - - as a group - - do not need to understand or consider or achieve anything ! ! You - - as an individual - - does. The Path is an individual one. The major reason why everyone wishes the entire group to "do it first" is so we do not have to put in individual effort. We can just "ride along" on the bandwagon ! !

kundalini
08-08-2006, 12:09 AM
"We" - - as a group - - do not need to understand or consider or achieve anything ! ! You - - as an individual - - does. The Path is an individual one. The major reason why everyone wishes the entire group to "do it first" is so we do not have to put in individual effort. We can just "ride along" on the bandwagon ! !

Jumping on the bandwagon! That's boring. Always better to be original...

Actually though you have presented some excellent views, very creditable ones too. But, would not then the pursuit of balance of the various aspects of the mind. . .would that not be a ploy? ? ? ? ?

I think what we have to KNOW is what path are we as a race, truly on? Who really is playing the music that we as a civilisation dance to?

Glorymist
08-08-2006, 04:35 AM
Balance is a way of life. Balance of the mind is just one aspect of it all. You balance the mind so you can get it working WITH you rather than against you. As the old saying goes - - mind is a great servant but a terrible master. Hence - - that is why so many set out to destroy the mind - - because they resent the mental insistence of it all.

The "race" - - is not on any particular path - - tho yes - - there is an element of national karma / racial karma / group karma / etc.

The individual - - is on their own race. You race your own race - - to the music of Life IT-self.

ALL of life dances to the tune of Divine Spirit - - one way or another.

kundalini
08-08-2006, 08:11 AM
Well, I cannot argue with such finely-balanced statements. I agree with a lot of what you say. Would you not agree though that the mind is just a mechanism for interpretation of events whilst it is the SPIRIT within that is the driving force that spurs us on down the path?

Glorymist
08-08-2006, 09:00 PM
Without a doubt ! ! That's why so many references of mind being a "tool."

And Soul being the driver.

Soul being an aspect of Divine Spirit IT-self.

kundalini
09-08-2006, 12:15 AM
Without a doubt ! ! That's why so many references of mind being a "tool."

And Soul being the driver.

Soul being an aspect of Divine Spirit IT-self.

At last! I feel I have reached a conclusion with regards to this topic!

Glorymist
09-08-2006, 01:17 AM
I am glad for you. But - - at the same time - - kinda sad. It was a good thread qhile it lasted.

And we only really scratched the surface.

Be well. :->

kundalini
09-08-2006, 01:32 AM
Lol, I know what you mean. There will no doubt though be other interesting and engrossing threads like this one soon enough.

Ascended Master
09-08-2006, 02:18 PM
Hi Disha

I came across Pachamama recently on an internet search?

Fair play to you. Wholly envious!

Love and light,

AM

Ascended Master
09-08-2006, 02:19 PM
OOPS, wrong thread???

How did that happen??? lol

AM