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Ascended Master

29-07-2006, 10:29 PM

What is the truth behind this legend?

Did the Knights Templar protect a secret known as the holy grail?
Did King Arthurs Knights go off in search of the holy grail?

And.... if it the holy grail was a secret about the reality of Mary Magdalene (bless her), why would King Arthur's Knights go off in search of it?

I believe Jesus and Mary were married, and I also believe there were offspring. While I also believe this information would've been kept a secret by certain individuals who would benefit from it remaining that way.

But then.... I also believe there are other massive secrets relating to every other matter secretive 'organisations' want to keep a secret.

Look at the Freemasons for example? Look at the Illuminati?
Look at those weirdos who practice all manner of odd stuff, and keep it all in the back of their closet.

So is the "holy grail" just one secret, or several? Is it an object? And who is involved?

What does everyone think (or know)?

God bless...

AM

kundalini

29-07-2006, 10:41 PM

Ascended Master

30-07-2006, 09:33 AM

As far as I know Ascended Master, or rather as an addage to this subject, I know that the Nazi's were in pursuit of the holy grail as I think Hitler thought it would help him during World War 2.

My thoughts on this matter however, is that I suspect the Holy Grail to be a symbol of an ideal rather than an actual physical object that brings eternal life, though I have no proof of this.

Hi Kundalini

Yes, this is true. By virtue of Himmler's henchmen wasn't it?

The energies brought to the forefront during the ongoings of WW2 sparked a cry across the globe, and many cells of raw darkness spawned everywhere. Where rescue missions were fought and won, not only on this dimension, but also within the energetic realms.

Battles that make you cry with pride for being with the light. Objectives and outcomes that make you warm with love.

A fantastic book about this subject has been written by Stephen Turoff: 'seven steps to eternity'.

Information that changes lives forever... God bless you Stephen.

In memory of our loved ones who stood against evil and won.
On every plane this universe is encapsulated by.

Love and light,

AM

kundalini

30-07-2006, 04:57 PM

Ascended Master

30-07-2006, 06:03 PM

It may or may not have been Himmler's henchman. My knowledge about the Holy Grail is very basic. The name 'Stephen Turoff' sounds vaguely familiar and I shall be sure to look out for his work, thanks AM. Kundalini.

Hiya,

Not sure whether anyone will be interested or not, but the SS was the unit who co-ordinated the search for the 'holy grail', among specialists. And Himmler was the SS chief commander. I sense Himmler was the driving force in this search. Very dark individual who knew all about the occult, and tampered with black magic.
And we all know what happens to somebody who does that now don't we? :wink:
And we all know how they use that to sway others now don't we? :wink:
He full well knew the spiritual power these objects possessed (due to both their energetic power, as well as by virtue of how many people wanted them, and how much they wanted them.
ie, if you turned around and said the holy grail was in your pocket, how many people would you have under your spell? How much energy would be directed at you in the process?
How much power could you assume just by 'owning' an object so sought after?
He even dedicated a room in his headquarters to King Arthur would you believe? And set up his own "Teutonic Knights" - err, weren't the Knights Hospitallers known as the Teutonic Knights? Or was that the Knights Templar? :confused:
But it seems to have been his twisted mind that found black magic more comforting than the average pillow. And his underlings succumbed, often without their knowledge.

Onto better subjects however!... many know of Stephen Turoff as "the psychic surgeon" - based in Essex.
What a legend... :smile:

Kind regards and best wishes,

AM

kundalini

30-07-2006, 07:04 PM

Hiya,

Not sure whether anyone will be interested or not, but the SS was the unit who co-ordinated the search for the 'holy grail', among specialists. And Himmler was the SS chief commander. I sense Himmler was the driving force in this search. Very dark individual who knew all about the occult, and tampered with black magic.
And we all know what happens to somebody who does that now don't we? :wink:
And we all know how they use that to sway others now don't we? :wink:
He full well knew the spiritual power these objects possessed (due to both their energetic power, as well as by virtue of how many people wanted them, and how much they wanted them.
ie, if you turned around and said the holy grail was in your pocket, how many people would you have under your spell? How much energy would be directed at you in the process?
How much power could you assume just by 'owning' an object so sought after?
He even dedicated a room in his headquarters to King Arthur would you believe? And set up his own "Teutonic Knights" - err, weren't the Knights Hospitallers known as the Teutonic Knights? Or was that the Knights Templar? :confused:
But it seems to have been his twisted mind that found black magic more comforting than the average pillow. And his underlings succumbed, often without their knowledge.

Onto better subjects however!... many know of Stephen Turoff as "the psychic surgeon" - based in Essex.
What a legend... :smile:

Kind regards and best wishes,

AM

Well, I shall do some research of Stephen Turoff - his name is definetely ringing some bells. As for the Holy Grail, you are probably right about Himmler but I do know that Hitler was some what of an occult master. Have you ever heard of a woman called Linda Goodman? She come up with some amazing theories using lexiconing and Hitler's name. It's very telling.

Ascended Master

30-07-2006, 09:23 PM

Well, I shall do some research of Stephen Turoff - his name is definetely ringing some bells. As for the Holy Grail, you are probably right about Himmler but I do know that Hitler was some what of an occult master. Have you ever heard of a woman called Linda Goodman? She come up with some amazing theories using lexiconing and Hitler's name. It's very telling.

Was he now? The grotty man!
It sure as heck wasn't love and light occultism now was it?! lol
Thank you very much for that info! :D

Linda Goodman? Thank you for that too!
No I haven't heard of her before, but will try and know everything there is to know about her very shortly! :rolleyes:
God knows how one became so studious?

Must be all that positive energy??

Love and light,

AM

kundalini

31-07-2006, 12:04 AM

Was he now? The grotty man!
It sure as heck wasn't love and light occultism now was it?! lol
Thank you very much for that info! :D

Linda Goodman? Thank you for that too!
No I haven't heard of her before, but will try and know everything there is to know about her very shortly! :rolleyes:
God knows how one became so studious?

Must be all that positive energy??

Love and light,

AM

Lol, possibly more like the inclination to achieve that positive energy. Yes, I think you will find some of her theories revelationary. She has now passed to the spirit world but if I were you I would try to obtain at least one of her books.

Tiy

31-07-2006, 12:17 AM

Did the Knights Templar protect a secret known as the holy grail?

I think they must have found and protected something....but don't know enough to say exactly what.

And.... if it the holy grail was a secret about the reality of Mary Magdalene (bless her), why would King Arthur's Knights go off in search of it?

Maybe the person who started the tales of kind arthur and his knights didn't know what the holy grail was himself....and just assumed it was an object.....that is assuming the tales of arthur are just tales that is. *holds head* It's all very complicated....but interesting that the same subjects appear in may different tales...it has to be based in fact somewhere along the line I guess.

I believe Jesus and Mary were married, and I also believe there were offspring. While I also believe this information would've been kept a secret by certain individuals who would benefit from it remaining that way.

Yup...agree with you totally.....I mean...what exactly did jesus get up to between being a baby and a man? He must have done something in those thirty odd years...heh! In that day and age it would be expected of him to take a wife and produce children...he wouldn't have been much of a man if he hadn't...or so they would have thought right?

Look at the Freemasons for example?

Did you know there is a Masonic Knights Templar? I think it's called the Order of The Knights Templar. Okay so it's all ritual based these days (and costs a fortune to be part of apparently) but kind of interesting all the same. I didn't even know it existed until i was at my step dad's masonic hall with him one day and saw a little display case with a figure of a knight in it...so of course I took a closer look! heh! Was kind of shocked when I saw the knight was wearing the knights templar outfit and it was my step dad who told me that there were still members of this organisation even now....(I'm so slow sometimes...lol)

Anyhoo...enough waffle...great thread...thanks AM. :D

Ascended Master

02-08-2006, 11:26 AM

Maybe the person who started the tales of kind arthur and his knights didn't know what the holy grail was himself....and just assumed it was an object.....that is assuming the tales of arthur are just tales that is. *holds head* It's all very complicated....but interesting that the same subjects appear in may different tales...it has to be based in fact somewhere along the line I guess.

Very true! From what I can gather, Arthur and Merlin are very real characters, although there is much to understand...
Their 'incarnations' (1500 years ago) must be everso different to what they are now spiritually (through their own development), but I do know they were very real, at that time, in the form they were in for that time.

The most interesting thing I find, is that King Arthur and his 'Knights' were real, who inspired other Knights to be so bold, who in turn probably came to inspire the Knights Templar of the Crusades?

I know people are trying to link the Templars in with the time of Christ, but all we can really do is match Knightly characteristics (and religious beliefs / standpoints) with another. Names and causes changed all the time?....
So it is quite likely there is a link somewhere between the Templars and the Arthurian Knights, thus linking the cause of Mary Magdalene, to why Arthur might have been involved in 'the search for the holy grail'.

It is likely Arthur and his Knights were already involved in 'the grail', so it would've been mans interpretation to say that they went off in search for it. Maybe, they were actually called in to help protect it?

As per the 'factual' film that has been released, maybe Arthur was a part of Rome. Although maybe that was because the papal throne called on him to help keep the secret?
Which is eventually what he rebelled against, being a man of honour that he was, thus later forging an alliance with Merlin for the cause of religious truth and freedom in respect of the grail, plus the more pagan belief systems?

Yup...agree with you totally.....I mean...what exactly did jesus get up to between being a baby and a man? He must have done something in those thirty odd years...heh! In that day and age it would be expected of him to take a wife and produce children...he wouldn't have been much of a man if he hadn't...or so they would have thought right?

lol - definately! :D

Did you know there is a Masonic Knights Templar? I think it's called the Order of The Knights Templar. Okay so it's all ritual based these days (and costs a fortune to be part of apparently) but kind of interesting all the same. I didn't even know it existed until i was at my step dad's masonic hall with him one day and saw a little display case with a figure of a knight in it...so of course I took a closer look! heh! Was kind of shocked when I saw the knight was wearing the knights templar outfit and it was my step dad who told me that there were still members of this organisation even now....(I'm so slow sometimes...lol)

Excellent stuff! :smile: Not slow at all! :D
I knew there were modern Knights Templar who wear the same white robes etc, but as per the ritualistic part, that's why I'm so interested. Rituals seem to provide some very real results, so the nature of these rituals is my interest. My old boss was a Freemason for example, and he was a good man who enjoyed the benefits of being a component of an influential group of gentleman, but then there's George Bush? lol :smile:

Love and light,

AM

Tiy

05-08-2006, 12:11 PM

Very true! From what I can gather, Arthur and Merlin are very real characters, although there is much to understand...
Their 'incarnations' (1500 years ago) must be everso different to what they are now spiritually (through their own development), but I do know they were very real, at that time, in the form they were in for that time.

I would like to think these two were real characters but I'm guessing they would have been significantly different then compared to how we know them now...their deeds and actions being exaggerated over the years...until they gained legendary status.

The most interesting thing I find, is that King Arthur and his 'Knights' were real, who inspired other Knights to be so bold, who in turn probably came to inspire the Knights Templar of the Crusades?

I know people are trying to link the Templars in with the time of Christ, but all we can really do is match Knightly characteristics (and religious beliefs / standpoints) with another. Names and causes changed all the time?....
So it is quite likely there is a link somewhere between the Templars and the Arthurian Knights, thus linking the cause of Mary Magdalene, to why Arthur might have been involved in 'the search for the holy grail'.

Well I guess the one link they have is that they were both bands of knight setting out to do something good (or what they saw as good) I'm sure I read somewhere that Arthurs nights eneded up wearing white with red crosses on the front...mind you I could be imagining that...I never know what is real and what I have dreamed or imagined sometimes! heh! So apologies if I'm talking rubbish!!

As per the 'factual' film that has been released, maybe Arthur was a part of Rome. Although maybe that was because the papal throne called on him to help keep the secret?
Which is eventually what he rebelled against, being a man of honour that he was, thus later forging an alliance with Merlin for the cause of religious truth and freedom in respect of the grail, plus the more pagan belief systems?

So which film was the factual film?

Excellent stuff! Not slow at all!
I knew there were modern Knights Templar who wear the same white robes etc, but as per the ritualistic part, that's why I'm so interested. Rituals seem to provide some very real results, so the nature of these rituals is my interest. My old boss was a Freemason for example, and he was a good man who enjoyed the benefits of being a component of an influential group of gentleman, but then there's George Bush? lol

To be honest I don't think the modern knights would be able to get up to much...lol...the picture I saw of them showed a bunch of men who were all old. Mostly they looked to be in their 60's/70's & older (like most masons heh!)

And I have to agree...most masons are nice guys...I know that my step dad's lodge donates a huge amount of money to charity each year (as do most lodges) and surprisingly (as many seem to think it is a religious group) there are a mixture of people who are brothers....I mean there seem to be a wide variety of different people who worship many different religions who are members....and they do not give up their faiths when they become a mason. (does that make sense?)

Enough waffle...heh! I'm off....take care!

kundalini

05-08-2006, 12:53 PM

I am not sure which film AM is referring to, is it the latest release of King Arthur, a couple of years back, was it?

I certainly know the most fascinating version of a King Arthur film I have ever watched was the 1980's released Excalibur ( which was of course the sword Arthur drew effortlessly from the stone, where all other men failed miserably ).

Mable

08-08-2006, 04:55 PM

I have always been facinated in Arthur and moving to the South West has really brought this to the fore, have visited Glastonbury and want to go to Cadbury Hill which is the apparently a supposed site of Camalot. Would be good to go just toi feel the energy of the place!

I dont think there would ever really be a true representation of what Arthur and Merlin did as its all shrouded in so much mystery and each person who the tale went through probably added their own take on things anyway so nothing can ever be 100% or even 60% accurate

I read today that Arthur outlived Guinevere and was buried with his 2nd wife! and that where the grail is burried with that last drop of Jesus blood is where the chalice well springs from, now with the holy grail now considered to be the bloodline of christ seems to suggest that his child or decendant could be burried there and not a real chalice.

Its quite thought provoking really and detangling of the truth from ancient scripts etc will be a long but possibly interesting task lol

Mable
xx

Tiy

08-08-2006, 07:11 PM

I have to agree Mabel...it's all highly interesting stuff isn't it? There has to be some truth in the stories don't you think? The hard part is separating the fact from the legends! lol

And Glastonbury is great isn't it? Like you I really want to visit Cadbury castle too...just to see what feelings I get there. :D

I am not sure which film AM is referring to, is it the latest release of King Arthur, a couple of years back, was it?

I certainly know the most fascinating version of a King Arthur film I have ever watched was the 1980's released Excalibur ( which was of course the sword Arthur drew effortlessly from the stone, where all other men failed miserably ).

The newest film was "King Arthur" wasn't it? The one with Keira Knightly in it?? I did like that one....was watchable.

I keep getting told to watch Excalibur...everyone who's mentioned it has said it is fantastic. I keep missing it when they show it on tv but I will track it down and give it a viewing one day!

Hugs x

Mable

09-08-2006, 08:43 AM

It is great stuff and the more I look into it the more interesting it gets, have read a few books on it and one about Arthur being Welsh which does actually make sense with all the facts in front of you but still feels as though its around Glastonbury way.

Glastonbury is great and off up there next thursday again as a friend wants to meet up.

I should be off to Cadbury Hill this weekend :blob3: so will let you know what I pick up. Seems to be too much of a coincidence that it could be camalot as it was significantly rebuilt into a proper fort around the time Arthur was alive
xxx

I have to agree Mabel...it's all highly interesting stuff isn't it? There has to be some truth in the stories don't you think? The hard part is separating the fact from the legends! lol

And Glastonbury is great isn't it? Like you I really want to visit Cadbury castle too...just to see what feelings I get there. :D

dreamer

09-08-2006, 10:13 AM

I found some interesting information on the Holy Grail on www.plotinus.com which might open up a completely new avenue if your interested. It also links in with the Bridal chamber mentioned in the gnostic gospels, especially the gospel of Phillip. Hope this is useful.

Mable

09-08-2006, 10:31 AM

Thanks Dreamer

Will have a read at lunch, I am always open to new avenues in things I am interested in lol

Mable
xx

kundalini

09-08-2006, 04:11 PM

The newest film was "King Arthur" wasn't it? The one with Keira Knightly in it?? I did like that one....was watchable.

I keep getting told to watch Excalibur...everyone who's mentioned it has said it is fantastic. I keep missing it when they show it on tv but I will track it down and give it a viewing one day!

Hugs x

I haven't seen the latest King Arthur film but Excalibur, despite it's age is definetely more than watchable. It shows some epic battles, jousting matches and magic! Also, the dialogue is fitting for the theme of the film. I've just remembered Liam Neeson also plays one of the Knights Of The Round Table, i think. Liam Neeson has starred in such films as 'The Phantom Menace' and more recently, 'Batman Begins'.

Tiy

09-08-2006, 07:59 PM

Mable

10-08-2006, 01:59 PM

Liam Neeson...ooohhh...he's nice! Ahem...I mean he's a darn fine actor :wink:

I am going to have to watch this film...definately...It sounds seriously watchable...I mean how can I say no to watching something with sword fights, battle, jousting and magic in it? lol

and liam neeson lololol

must admit nothing better than a mighty fine actor on a swashbuckling role lol will definately have to look out for that film as well :wink:

kundalini

11-08-2006, 12:54 PM

and liam neeson lololol

must admit nothing better than a mighty fine actor on a swashbuckling role lol will definately have to look out for that film as well :wink:

Yeah, well, Excalibur seems to be a film that hasn't been on the television for years and it doesn't seem to be out on dvd or video...I would watch it again though if I had the chance.

Bob23

12-08-2006, 01:40 AM

Maybe...maybe not...who knows?

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/

:dontknow:

angelus

27-08-2006, 10:25 AM

The grail could be seen as a cup which never empties, a constant flow, a parable to mankind, when Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth.

Does anyone on here see yourself as a righteous person, & if so do you believe its that type of person who should be rewarded in life? Please reply to me if you do. Thanks.

bluespirit

27-08-2006, 10:35 AM

I have an email friend who is very much into this sort of thing. Now, he believes that Jesus was married and had 3 children. He also believes that Jesus is now actually back again but no one at this moment knows this and he is living in England.
He was born of a Jewish and English parent but at this moment,will only make himself known when the time is right.
He will be a great leader in the future.
He is not sure whether this will be in politics or in a religious aspect. (to do with the church)
Interesting to see what happens in the future.

Ascended Master

01-10-2006, 01:38 AM

The grail could be seen as a cup which never empties, a constant flow, a parable to mankind, when Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth.

A constant channel of positive energy, via an enlightened / illuminated chakra system, which could provide the key to eternal life?
That's what I was learning about recently in my shamanistic teachings?!
They say with "ultimate ascension", raw life energy running within your body, without restriction or complication (ie, free flowing) could enable you to live until you were 140. While some shamans even said that this energy could be so 'live' in the body that the body could not die.
It would constantly sense a full amount of life energy and never suffer from dis-ease caused by neagative energies?

I think we're on to something here?!
Angelus, you could quite easily become a legend!! lol :D

Ascended Master

01-10-2006, 01:42 AM

BLAIR2BE

01-10-2006, 02:07 AM

christianity would probably call this "new jesus", the false prophet/antichrist

Ascended Master

01-10-2006, 02:59 AM

christianity would probably call this "new jesus", the false prophet/antichrist

lol lol lol

rose

01-10-2006, 10:33 AM

Ascended Master

01-10-2006, 02:18 PM

hey mable and tiy...i was obsessed with arthurian legends when i was a teenager. i fulfilled my fantasy to go to glastonbury tor when i was in england last year. stayed in cornwall but didn't see dozmary pool or tintagel...but bodmin moor was a dream come true. have you ever read marion zimmer bradley's mists of avalon? about england at the time through the eyes of a high priestess.

what do people feel about the da vinci code? i admit it's a blockbuster cover of the subject of the true holy grail but it has opened the subject up for many to research more.

has anyone read more into the theory about jesus and his bloodline? like the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail? i haven't read it yet...was wondering what people thought. :)

Definitely go to Tintagel, and seek out St Nectans Glen. Will try and find a way of posting some pics / video clips on here... Any ideas would be appreciated.
What an amazing place!!!! :icon_eek:

We also came up with the conclusion, Avalon was just off the coast of Tintagel. But you'd have to go there and see what you think for yourself.
There's certainly the 'mist' that is spoken of, and some sort of markation along the shoreline indicating something 'shallow'.

Got a bit of the way into the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, but have put it down now.
It's become obvious what is going on, so I don't want to read any more as it'll only wind me up!! lol

The Da Vinci Code again has some truths, and again, it relates to cover ups and corruption.
So again, I read a bit and put it down. In fact, gave it away?
I drew alot from the "angels and demons" book however, and even though there is some agenda on behalf of the author, which you have to see through with positivity if you are ever going to walk away better off for reading it, it's still got some information that is useful when you're trying to seek and locate negative cores.

Do love the chase, but finding time to ride the high waves! :angel5:

AM

rose

02-10-2006, 10:00 AM

can't wait to see those photos!

Ascended Master

22-02-2007, 09:10 PM

can't wait to see those photos!

Righteo!
How do we get photos accessible? lol
Perhaps I'll convince my sister to set up a website?! :D
Is there a way that anyone knows via SF?
Love and light,
AM

Whisperer

23-02-2007, 09:09 PM

If I may offer my assistance...

Taken from Tintagel island
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/tintagel1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/tintagel4.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/tintagel2.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/tintagel9.jpg

The only doorway to Tintagel:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/tintagel7.jpg

Whisperer

23-02-2007, 09:11 PM

St Nectans Glen Waterfall:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/knaives3.jpg

A beautiful Green Man Tree:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/knaives2.jpg

The scenary walking up to the Waterfall:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Sotondoogle/knaives1.jpg

Ascended Master

24-02-2007, 01:19 PM

Many thanks Whisperer! lol :D
Love and light in return for the effort (and know how!) :wink:
AM x

Dariel

24-02-2007, 10:50 PM

I haven't read all of the posts in this so sorry if I repeat something said already.

I believe Jesus lived a normal life. He was a physical human being. It was only that the christ energy came through him, as it can happen to all of us. So in that case his twinflame Mary of Magdala and he may have had children. There is actually on energy called Sara which I have channeled myself and it is this christ energy BUT there is female aspect in this. So this holy grail thing is also bringing the female aspect into this planet, the femininity of the God and of all that is. It must be balanced. Secondly, I see holy grail as fully open crown chakra which is like a grail of holy spirit pouring down to it and when this connection is open, the grail is always full. The grail is something people are searching outside of them, but it is inside of us.
And what comes to bloodline of Jesus, I do not see it important. It is the spirit and not the physical bodies of human beings. Even if there is physical bloodline of Jesus and Mary, what difference does it make that some may be of that bloodline. There is same work for them to do for enlightment as we all have and there are many masters born here at the moment, just by sending small part of their energy down here. So it can be in any physical body, where is master lives, not depending on physical body and its possible bloodline. The spirit was not in physical body, the physical body was just a temple of that spirit in a way that our bodies are as well.

My thoughts about this, and I really do wait anxiosly to get information revealed to shock and shake the churches. It is the time now :)

Love and light
Dariel