THE HEBREWS’ EXODUS.

[SAMI CHARNI]

The quarter "Midoun" in "Djerba" in "Tunisia" is the true "Midian" in the Bible.
Therefore the Hebrews’ Exodus from Egypt was to the east or to the west?
In other words, it was to the Red Sea or to “Jeshurun” name mentioned in the Bible as the poetic name of Israel, but in reality it was the capital of the Hebrews, which is the current city of "Benghazi" in Libya! While going through the fortress city of the Hebrews, which called at that time "birsheba / beer-sheva / Beersheba, etc.
Which means:
beer: well
sheba / sheva: which is the current town of "Siwa" which is in western "Cairo"; where is the true temple of Abraham "Aghurmi" which was later visited in particular by Alexander the Great.

ALPHA - The Secrets of the ARCHITECT

[Time]

It is now scientifically accepted that the "exodus" as the bible speaks, never happened:

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-jewish-exodus-from-egypt-never-happened

Numbers and logistics
According to Exodus 12:37-38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[15] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550.[16] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[17] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[18] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[19]
No evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds.[20] Some scholars have rationalised these numbers into smaller figures, for example reading the Hebrew as "600 families" rather than 600,000 men, but all such solutions raise more problems than they solve.[21] The view of mainstream modern biblical scholarship is that the improbability of the Exodus story originates because it was written not as history, but to demonstrate God's purpose and deeds with his Chosen People, Israel.[3] Thus it seems probable that the 603,550 people delivered from Egypt (according to Numbers 1:46) is not simply a number, but a gematria (a code in which numbers represent letters or words) for bnei yisra'el kol rosh, "the children of Israel, every individual;"[22] while the number 600,000 symbolises the total destruction of the generation of Israel which left Egypt, none of whom lived to see the Promised Land.[23]
[edit]Archaeology
A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[4] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[24] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[25] There is archeological evidence of the Caananite Hyksos people moving into and out of northern Egypt, though the relation of their dates to the biblical account is debated by scholars.
[edit]Anachronisms
Several details point to a 1st millennium date for the Book of Exodus: Ezion-Geber, (one of the Stations of the Exodus), for example, dates to a period between the 8th and 6th centuries BCE with possible further occupation into the 4th century BCE,[26] and those place-names on the Exodus route which have been identified - Goshen, Pithom, Succoth, Ramesses and Kadesh Barnea - point to the geography of the 1st millennium rather than the 2nd.[27] Similarly, Pharaoh's fear that the Israelites might ally themselves with foreign invaders seems unlikely in the context of the late 2nd millennium, when Canaan was part of an Egyptian empire and Egypt faced no enemies in that direction, but does make sense in a 1st millennium context, when Egypt was considerably weaker and faced invasion first from the Persians and later from Seleucid Syria.[28]
The mention of the dromedary in Exodus 9:3 also suggests a later date of composition, as domesticated camels had not been introduced to Egypt until Cambyses II's invasion in 525 BCE. [29]
[edit]Chronology
The chronology of the Exodus story likewise underlines its essentially religious rather than historical nature. The number seven, for example, was sacred to God in Judaism, and so the Israelites arrive at Sinai, where they will meet God, at the beginning of the seventh week after their departure from Egypt,[30] while the erection of the Tabernacle, God's dwelling-place among his people, occurs in the year 2666 after God creates the world, two-thirds of the way through a four thousand year era which culminates in or around the re-dedication of the Second Temple in 164 BCE.[31][32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

[RabbiO]

It is now scientifically accepted that the "exodus" as the bible speaks, never happened.............

I presume at some point Mr. Charni will simply point us all to his book - available for sale on multiple sites by the way - for further explanation. If you can't wait for that moment yiu can always google his name and get the list.

B'shalom,

Peter

[Time]

Einstien wrote books too.... just sayin

[RabbiO]

Einstien wrote books too.... just sayin

T'was neither a condemnation nor an endorsement, just a simple fact and an observation.

B'shalom,

Peter

[Yamah]

Time: a lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
SAMI: this is the Judaism forum, not the Islam forum.

[Time]

Well, in egypt, which was one of the powers of the day ( along with babylon), they wrote everything down. How many bushels of wheat for the harvest, to how many circumscisions were performed.

If 600 000 slaves left egypt, there would be a record, especially at luxor (karnak) where the pharoes wrote down their reigns. Not to mention acheological evidence all along the sainai. The closest that we can historically confirm, is many cannanites being sent to BABYLON.

[Time]

Time: a lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
SAMI: this is the Judaism forum, not the Islam forum.


Also, islam, is generally speaking, a different form of christianity (loosely speaking). Islam stemmed from christianity, which stemmed from judeism.

[Time]

the first temple was destroyed in 587bce
The second temple was destroyed in 70 CE

Alexander reached the temple between 350 bce and 330 bce, in jarusalem, which texts also corobarate

[Time]

Also, the odds are the exodus never happened, at elast as it says in the bible. The babylonians are the closest we can find that took any amount of jews as "slaves"

[psychoslice]

Also, islam, is generally speaking, a different form of christianity (loosely speaking). Islam stemmed from christianity, which stemmed from judeism.
Yep, and which all stemmed from Egypt.

[Time]

Nope, egypt influenced them (israel), but so did mesepotamia and greece, and by jesus supposed time, rome....

[Morpheus]

Thing is, "Time", tends to allow for the erasure of such evidence being questioned, here.
And, the sands thereof...

It states in the writings that the Egyptian monarchy began to despise and to persecute the Hebrews because they grew greatly in number, and prospered.

The reason they were there, had to do with the story of Joseph, with respect to saving his family from the famine in their homeland.
They grew and prospered in Egypt.
These were the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Your disaffection not withstanding.

[Time]

There is no record in egypt about any such exodus, or any numbers of jews as slaves....

[Bluegreen]

Also, the odds are the exodus never happened, at elast as it says in the bible. The babylonians are the closest we can find that took any amount of jews as "slaves"

Joan Grant psychometrized a brown scarab which she said was made in the time of Moses when the plagues of Egypt were on. It was sold as having a charge to keep off the flies.

"...the flies are much bigger than they are now, and much more like bees. About an inch and a half long. Black flies with two white bands on the thorax. And they had never before been seen in Egypt. [...] It is an extraordinary sight: they are so tightly packed that on the table they look like a black oil cloth." (From Speaking from the Heart.)

[Time]

Invasive species or plagues.do not prove an exodus. They happen.all.the time in egypt

[Bluegreen]

Invasive species or plagues.do not prove an exodus. They happen.all.the time in egypt

True. Perhaps I should have included this in the quote: "...they [the flies] had never been seen before in Egypt. That is why people knew they were a visitation and not an increase."

Also, you do not have to believe that what Grant psychometrized was true. However, if what she saw was real and as she said happening in the time of Moses, then the exodus of Jewish people from Egypt may be true as well.

[Time]

There is also documentation of climate change in egypt around that time.

Again, there were and still are many species we bring with us travelling, or that wake p every few decades....

Lastly, the egyptians wrote down all their braggings and failings in their temples, there is not a single inscription descriving that the bible does

[psychoslice]

Yes of course it never happened, its just a metaphor, of leaving our ignorant self and entering our true inner Self, or Christ Consciousness. The myth of Jesus is the same, he was tempted in the wilderness for forty days, where in the old testement it was forty years, the same with the Buddha, he ws tempted for forty days also.